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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: CCTAU on August 08, 2016, 01:19:46 AM
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Is Gus really still not decided?
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080716aae.html
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I can hear JF3 now "Fuck Coach I should be ballin' out there".
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Would love to JJ win the job and have the season everyone was expecting last year. However several people are starting to speculate White will be named the starter by the end of the week.
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Would love to JJ win the job and have the season everyone was expecting last year. However several people are starting to speculate White will be named the starter by the end of the week.
As it would be a great story, I just did not see anything from last season to lead me to believe there is a miracle comeback in there.
There were no "so close" moments...
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As it would be a great story, I just did not see anything from last season to lead me to believe there is a miracle comeback in there.
There were no "so close" moments...
That boy got the snakes in his head.
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As it would be a great story, I just did not see anything from last season to lead me to believe there is a miracle comeback in there.
There were no "so close" moments...
You are beginning to be as negative as kaos or snags. It's contagious, I guess.
If you would've just opened your eyes last season, there were numerous games in which JJ looked very promising in warm ups.
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You are beginning to be as negative as kaos or snags. It's contagious, I guess.
If you would've just opened your eyes last season, there were numerous games in which JJ looked very promising in warm ups.
They were all close at the coin toss
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They were all close at the coin toss
Didn't our receivers drop those to?
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Didn't our receivers drop those to?
I think that was only when the head ref, Mr. White, tossed it to them...
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Maybe JJ can have a similar senior-season redemption like Ben Leard, or even Chris Todd
(maybe even Jason Campbell, although he was never as bad as it might have seemed)
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I'm on the JJ Heisman train. Y'all better hop on board before it's too late.
Toot Toot!
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Maybe JJ can have a similar senior-season redemption like Ben Leard, or even Chris Todd
(maybe even Jason Campbell, although he was never as bad as it might have seemed)
With all of those guys, you saw a bit of progress. With JJ, it just never happened. It was a total meltdown.
It was sad to watch. I had great hopes that we would see a balanced attack with Duke dominating the middle of the field.
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I'm on the JJ Heisman train. Y'all better hop on board before it's too late.
Toot Toot!
dumbass
($1 to CHiP)
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JJ actually did have a few "so close" moments last year. He was so close to looking like Clint Mosely that it was remarkable. :rofl:
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JJ actually did have a few "so close" moments last year. He was so close to looking like Clint Mosely that it was remarkable. :rofl:
Like that one time he threw the ball backwards...yup, JJ for Heisman 2016 lol
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Okay, I'ma throw some numbers and opinion in the mix. We have 3 QB's to choose from. I'll take Clifford Franklin out of the equation for this discussion for now, because we have absolutely zero to go on other than he's small, fast and 2nd string in JUCO. So we look at Jeremy Johnson and Sean White. As fans, what do we have to go on? For most, it's the eye test. The overwhelming majority of fans and analysts have long since written JJ off based on Heisman hype coming into 2015, with the product on the field looking more like an overwhelmed freshman. At least, early on.
Redshirt Frosh, Sean White, came in with a good bit of recruiting hype, having won the Elite 11 Competition, and took over for JJ when the wheels fell off early. At the end of the day, it's hard to distinguish between coulda', shoulda', woulda' and real time numbers. White got injured a couple of games in before we could really get a feel for what he was capable of. The road game at Arkansas was a contest that could have set the stage for a dramatic turn around. A minimum of 10 dropped passes in crucial situations resulted in an overtime loss, followed by an injury to White that effectively ended his season.
So what do we have to go on? Last year's numbers look like this:
Jeremy Johnson
12 Games Played 95-157 10 TD's 7 Int's. 60.5% 87.8 yds p/game
Rushing: 47 attempts 238 yds.
Sean White
7 Games Played 83-143 1 TD 4 Int's 58% 167 yds p/game
Rushing: 30-116
So coming down the last part of the season, with White gimping, JJ was 3-2 against Texas A&M, UGA, Idaho, Bama and Memphis (White started against Memphis but sucked royally) His (JJ's) numbers were:
51-82 537 yds. 5TD's 1 Int.
I say all this not to promote one over the other. If it were me, I'd prefer White to perform better and win the job simply from the standpoint of him still having 3 years at the helm, while JJ is moving on after this year. But....I do caution against writing Johnson off. He wasn't great down the stretch, but he was solid and efficient. What if he's taken the last few months to dedicate himself to going out on top, so to speak?
We'll know soon enough. I think by this weekend, we're going to know who will take the snaps against Clemson.
Thoughts?
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Like that one time he threw the ball backwards...yup, JJ for Heisman 2016 lol
Wasn't that the LSU game? That was a doomsday from the start. JJ had his comeback kid moment at the Texas A&M game. And to his credit he's never been a dick about the ups and downs of last year. We sure don't have video of him fussing about bad play calling on sidelines (even if some of that would have been warranted last year).
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Thoughts?
Johnson threw a backward pass.
White will be our starter, I'm 80% sure. I will be pleased to see this, however, I am still concerned about his ability to run. Hopefully, we won't be asking him to run the same o as Nick. He'll need more play action and roll outs I believe. And he's too short to stay in the pocket. Hell of a lot of balls batted down last year.
I think a healthy white boy will win us a lot of games this year. No question we'll mix in the mildcat but I actually think Kerryon can be effective with it and it will be warranted (unlike running it when we had Cam).
I think White gets the nod by the end of the week.
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Johnson threw a backward pass.
White will be our starter, I'm 80% sure. I will be pleased to see this, however, I am still concerned about his ability to run. Hopefully, we won't be asking him to run the same o as Nick. He'll need more play action and roll outs I believe. And he's too short to stay in the pocket. Hell of a lot of balls batted down last year.
I think a healthy white boy will win us a lot of games this year. No question we'll mix in the mildcat but I actually think Kerryon can be effective with it and it will be warranted (unlike running it when we had Cam).
I think White gets the nod by the end of the week.
Watching Sean White in practice as a true freshman, I compared him to Aaron Murray. Same size. Same build. And given time, they both throw a beautiful pass. Think about 09'. Todd wasn't big or fast but he was accurate as hell. I think White brings both attributes of passing accuracy and an ability to run the option or take off when he needs to. But again, don't sell JJ short in both areas.
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Watching Sean White in practice as a true freshman, I compared him to Aaron Murray. Same size. Same build. And given time, they both throw a beautiful pass. Think about 09'. Todd wasn't big or fast but he was accurate as hell. I think White brings both attributes of passing accuracy and an ability to run the option or take off when he needs to. But again, don't sell JJ short in both areas.
You suck as an evaluator of QB talent but I hear you look good in the lawyer suit.
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Expect a small amount of improvement just by knowing what's what. Unless either worked out independently with an actual QB coach I seriously doubt we are wowed by what we see. Regardless, neither can effectively run the option.
J.J. needs to know to run it or throw it away if his receiver's are covered and when to go down without retreating for a larger loss.
White shows grit and accuracy but he can't find throwing lanes and he's not fast enough to be a sprint-out passer.
Ugh. I'm gonna say we get some of both and some Franklin now and then which points to inconsistencies. Will remain hopeful though till I see different.
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You suck as an evaluator of QB talent but I hear you look good in the lawyer suit.
Look, Kadril never got a fair shake. If they had just stuck with him, he was on track to rewrite the Auburn record books.
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Kevin Skabrinskidinski weighs in with some nice to hear comments from Lushlee.
The most talked-about player during Auburn's fall camp - at least the one who's still in fall camp - has never started an SEC game at quarterback. He didn't start playing quarterback until his sophomore year of high school.
He didn't win the starting job at his first four-year college or in junior college last year, and he hasn't won the job at Auburn yet.
So the smart thing to do in discussing John Franklin III would be to curb your enthusiasm. Auburn offensive coordinator Rhett Lashlee did just that Saturday.
Lashlee didn't just tap the brakes on the JFIII hype. He slammed on the brakes so hard, he almost triggered an air bag.
"With John, he's almost like a true freshman," Lashlee said. "Yeah, he's coming from junior college, but he didn't play either of his two years at Florida State, and he split time last year (at East Mississippi Community College) So he doesn't have a lot of snaps under his belt."
The Auburn coaches will know a lot more about their quarterback race after Tuesday's initial fall scrimmage, but was Lashlee trying to tell us something? He said something else that could be telling when he was asked "what kind of kid" Franklin is.
Lashlee said he hasn't seen the "Last Chance U" documentary on Netflix about the 2015 East Mississippi season, which includes Franklin.
"I have no idea how that portrayed him or anyone, but he's a good young man," Lashlee said. "He's a good kid. He's been a hard worker. He's been a good teammate."
Lashlee then shifted his answer back toward the hope of Auburn fans that Franklin could be a Nick Marshall kind of savior for an offense in dire need of some excitement.
"I just hope everyone is fair to him with expectations because we put so much up on hype and expectations because we need something to talk about," Lashlee said. "If you are the guy, great. If you're not (the guy) right away, that doesn't mean you failed."
Is quarterback James Franklin ready to carry Auburn after the dismissal of Jovon Robinson? Probably not based on his struggles last season at East Mississippi — struggles that were chronicled in depth by "Last Chance U." Franklin has had several months to prepare and improve since then, however, so there's still hope.
Nice to see Auburn has learned a lesson about overhyping a quarterback in advance of any actual sustained production. Don't know if Lashlee's trying to throw water on the idea that Franklin will start the opener against Clemson, but his comments may be the most reasonable observations we've heard yet about the young man.
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I will continue to say the White boy will be starter at Clemson.
As far as who's train I'm on...I'm on the "whoever wins us the damn game train"
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I will continue to say the White boy will be starter at Clemson.
As far as who's train I'm on...I'm on the "whoever wins us the damn game train"
I'm riding the Kadril Caboose.
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I will continue to say the White boy will be starter at Clemson.
As far as who's train I'm on...I'm on the "whoever wins us the damn game train"
Toot Toot!
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Toot Toot!
You want me to tell you the story about the Little Engine That Could? Chooga chooga chooga chooga, chooga chooga chooga chooga... toot toot!
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You want me to tell you the story about the Little Engine That Could? Chooga chooga chooga chooga, chooga chooga chooga chooga... toot toot!
If he still in there he ain't happy.
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If he still in there he ain't happy.
You plottin' on me boy?
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You plottin' on me boy?
Bubba's nubby stumps were just wagging back and forth, I said "Bubba, the next town 30 miles away, unless you can get up on your hands and walk, you ain't gonna make it."
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I'm riding the Kadril Caboose.
The Moseley monorail.
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Bubba's nubby stumps were just wagging back and forth, I said "Bubba, the next town 30 miles away, unless you can get up on your hands and walk, you ain't gonna make it."
One! Don't you feel dumb.
Two! Look at you.
Three! Don't you ever make jokes about me behind my back or else I'll stomp you into the ground.
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You want me to tell you the story about the Little Engine That Could? Chooga chooga chooga chooga, chooga chooga chooga chooga... toot toot!
Good observation
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Aw, phooey! Don't you ever read any of those stories about little people who do big things? Little Red Riding Hood! The Three Little Pigs! Spike Lee! The Little Rascals! How about the Little Engine That Could!
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*snicker*
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Reports from practice this morning are saying that Jeremy Johnson started with the 1st team offense. JFIII came in with the first team offense after Johnson. Sean White played with the 2nd team offense.
You never go full retard.
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Reports from practice this morning are saying that Jeremy Johnson started with the 1st team offense. JFIII came in with the first team offense after Johnson. Sean White played with the 2nd team offense.
You never go full retard.
You can't say retard.
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You can't say retard.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c8/c8fd7a297050136d0a926b33ce77d7708b5df9f5d13a704833f80b0b8ca195eb.jpg)
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I will continue to say the White boy will be starter at Clemson.
As far as who's train I'm on...I'm on the "whoever wins us the damn game train"
Lionel James?
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Reports from practice this morning are saying that Jeremy Johnson started with the 1st team offense. JFIII came in with the first team offense after Johnson. Sean White played with the 2nd team offense.
You never go full retard.
I'm changing my 80% sure status that the white boy starts vs Clemson to 47% sure. Johnson is 43% and JF3 11%. +/- 5%
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I'm with GF. I don't care who starts just as long as they at least give us a chance to win.
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I'm with GF. I don't care who starts just as long as they at least give us a chance to win.
and he's white....his name is White..
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and he's white....his name is White..
His name...is Dalton.
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I thought he'd be taller
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Is she?
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Wasn't that the LSU game? That was a doomsday from the start. JJ had his comeback kid moment at the Texas A&M game. And to his credit he's never been a dick about the ups and downs of last year. We sure don't have video of him fussing about bad play calling on sidelines (even if some of that would have been warranted last year).
I agree, he was and has always been kinda ho-hum about it all. The play calling last year was horrendous, that's been well established and it's why Coach Malzahn will basically take over those duties, with the help of Coach Hand & Lashlee (Coach Hand mainly).
http://youtu.be/yLy-N_64jGo
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I agree, he was and has always been kinda ho-hum about it all. The play calling last year was horrendous, that's been well established and it's why Coach Malzahn will basically take over those duties, with the help of Coach Hand & Lashlee (Coach Hand mainly).
http://youtu.be/yLy-N_64jGo
Agree with you and Six.
I just don't think White is as receptive to being yanked every time he gets us to the opponent's 30...not wired like J.J., who seems to take it more in stride. And if we are going to continue along those lines, piss poor play calling notwithstanding, J.J.'s ego probably handles it better than White. And for the overall team chemistry J.J. might be our best bet over the long haul. Interesting to observe the body language and sideline demeanor after an error or bad series. We might never know the longterm effects of that first pick White threw inside the redzone last season.
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Agree with you and Six.
I just don't think White is as receptive to being yanked every time he gets us to the opponent's 30...not wired like J.J., who seems to take it more in stride. And if we are going to continue along those lines, piss poor play calling notwithstanding, J.J.'s ego probably handles it better than White. And for the overall team chemistry J.J. might be our best bet over the long haul. Interesting to observe the body language and sideline demeanor after an error or bad series. We might never know the longterm effects of that first pick White threw inside the redzone last season.
Fine line between business and no fire. I like the White boys tenacity. he looks like he's ready to go. JJ looks a bit confused. (after the script runs out)
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Agree with you and Six.
I just don't think White is as receptive to being yanked every time he gets us to the opponent's 30...not wired like J.J., who seems to take it more in stride. And if we are going to continue along those lines, piss poor play calling notwithstanding, J.J.'s ego probably handles it better than White. And for the overall team chemistry J.J. might be our best bet over the long haul. Interesting to observe the body language and sideline demeanor after an error or bad series. We might never know the longterm effects of that first pick White threw inside the redzone last season.
So, I assume you want to move both of them to cornerback, right?
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So, I assume you want to move both of them to cornerback, right?
If Kerryon, like Nick, aspires to be paid beyond AU it will likely be as a Corner.
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Fine line between business and no fire. I like the White boys tenacity. he looks like he's ready to go. JJ looks a bit confused. (after the script runs out)
I think White might start for maybe half the teams in the league, But IMO, the Wildcat is his greatest obstacle as far as him progressing, not J.J.
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I agree, he was and has always been kinda ho-hum about it all. The play calling last year was horrendous, that's been well established and it's why Coach Malzahn will basically take over those duties, with the help of Coach Hand & Lashlee (Coach Hand mainly).
http://youtu.be/yLy-N_64jGo
I watched that terrible video and what I noticed is that his mechanics are horrendous. He's not throwing the ball so much as he's short-arming everything ($2 to the iPhone 8). His release point is too low and too far in front of his head. Like he's throwing a dart. Like the dart in a bar, not a football dart.
It's really, really bad.
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I agree, he was and has always been kinda ho-hum about it all. The play calling last year was horrendous, that's been well established and it's why Coach Malzahn will basically take over those duties, with the help of Coach Hand & Lashlee (Coach Hand mainly).
http://youtu.be/yLy-N_64jGo
It may help if they changed the snap count maybe. Their D-tackle was by the o-line before our guys lifted their hands...
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It may help if they changed the snap count maybe. Their D-tackle was by the o-line before our guys lifted their hands...
I believe that's called "offsides"
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It may help if they changed the snap count maybe. Their D-tackle was by the o-line before our guys lifted their hands...
You mean go on the hut, hut instead of the hut?
Bullshit. That cost us a game one time against A&M.
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You mean go on the hut, hut instead of the hut?
Bullshit. That cost us a game one time against A&M.
The memory of that play makes me laugh and cry simultaneously.
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I watched that terrible video and what I noticed is that his mechanics are horrendous. He's not throwing the ball so much as he's short-arming everything ($2 to the iPhone 8). His release point is too low and too far in front of his head. Like he's throwing a dart. Like the dart in a bar, not a football dart.
It's really, really bad.
That's exactly it. Like throwing darts at the dart board.