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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on December 15, 2015, 10:21:51 PM
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Just finished watching a bunch of film on our incoming QB's for 2016. Woody Barrett and John Franklin III. First, let's assume for a second that there's nothing on campus right now that gives anyone hope for a bright future at AU. It's been said many times that we were a legit QB away from 10 or more wins and bigger things to come. I beg to differ on some of that because our D still sucked (s). But you digress.
Jeremy Johnson is not going to morph into Super Fucking Man and while Sean White could really do some good things at AU, I think most on here believe he's not exactly ideal to run Malzahn's system. I also beg to differ because he's done some serious offensive shit with QB's similar to White. But, let's talk about 2016. Barrett and JF III (Please don't get into the RG III comparisons) come in to compete for the job. Are either worthy?
When you compare Barrett to Franklin on film, it's not a fair fight. Anyone thinking Franklin is going to step in here and become Nick Marshall Part Dooooo...think again. The guy is 6' if that. 180 soaking wet with 10 pound dumbbells stuffed in his pockets. And his only other offer besides Auburn was from Buffalo. The film I saw was nothing more than snap the ball to him and he scrambles. Not read option. Not pass. Just wildcat scramble shittastic. I haven't seen his stats. Maybe there's much more to him. Show me. But I face palmed after watching him and realizing we beat out Buff-A-Fucking-Lo for his services. Don't think he threw 3 passes in the highlight reel I watched. All snap...scramble.
Barrett? It was a highlight film. They call it that for a reason. What I saw was a big, fast, physical kid who ran the read option. Made all the throws. Actually went through progressions. He's 6'3" 225 and really, really tough to bring down. Serious touch on his passes. But...
He's a true freshman. Can you really expect a true frosh to excel under Malzahn? We'll see when they get these guys in camp and let em' run against D1 players. But the Debbie Downer in me thinks, Sean White better get his shit together for 2016. Franklin does nothing for me. Barrett looks awesome, but he's a freshman. Jeremy Johnson is option zero. So...
Pull it up. Watch some film. Tell me what you think.
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I think he's going to lose a good bit of top end speed with those dumbbells in his pocket. Unless, of course, that is teh WOD.
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I can't wait 'til RG...I mean, JF3 gets here.
http://youtu.be/-aBMeqBSXBg
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I like the Barrett kid. Watched film on both. Woody is a true cowboy.
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I like the Barrett kid. Watched film on both. Woody is a true cowboy.
He's lightyears away.
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He's lightyears away.
Pretty obvious difference just looking at the thick lower body and run style. Just don't forget the maturity level. Franklin might wow right away or just provide depth. My Might do one season even. I would be hard pressed to think anyone could match with NM though. Barrett has that J.Brissett body type, only much faster and elusive.
I really like White and I hope whatever develops from this works out for him. I liken him to Conner Shaw a bit. A shame we are too fucked-up to get it right. Genius my ass.
Still, as a true fan I realize we have to fish or cut bait when it comes to what's good for the team and the future.
And if this bunch signs another pro-style QB may they be fired on the spot.
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He's lightyears away.
He runs like there's a snake in his boots
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Can the next coaching staff coming in here use these dudes? That's the question we should be asking.
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So, it sounds like you guys have analyzed the film and anointed JF3 and Woody as good as you said Jeremy Johnson was going to be after you analyzed his film. Wow!
I'm stoked again.
#letwthandleevals #jf3heisman
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He runs like there's a snake in his boots
He reaches for the sky.
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So, it sounds like you guys have analyzed the film and anointed JF3 and Woody as good as you said Jeremy Johnson was going to be after you analyzed his film. Wow!
I'm stoked again.
#letwthandleevals #jf3heisman
#youjustshutupthen
We're bona fide
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So, it sounds like you guys have analyzed the film and anointed JF3 and Woody as good as you said Jeremy Johnson was going to be after you analyzed his film. Wow!
I'm stoked again.
#letwthandleevals #jf3heisman
What do we do if JJ suddenly finds his groove again...you know magically? #webebonafiedalright
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What do we do if JJ suddenly finds his groove again...you know magically? #webebonafiedalright
I will be too busy flying to the moon on my unicorn to worry.
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Prowlie. Honest assessment on why you think Franklin 3 is going to be the shiznit. I'm not downing the guy at all. Supposedly the #1 JUCO Athlete coming out. Same as Jason Smith last year. So, there's something to him. I hope he or Barrett or White...hell, anybody comes in and takes control of this offense and we start clicking again.
Let me preface this by agreeing (As much as I hate to) with WT earlier. I was on the J. Johnson bandwagon. I watched film. I bought the hype. I thought he'd go down as one of the greats here. ***Cue sound of air being let out of balloon*** So, I'm a damn fine evaluator of talent. That's obvious. Still, I'm not seeing what any of the fuss is over Clifford Franklin III. He's really fast!!! Oregon fast!!! That's about it.
If you watch all those highlights, he's not running the read option. Nothing like it. Most of the time he's just taking the snap and either scrambling out of the shotgun or when he's under center, he takes off around the end. He's just fast enough to get around some JUCO kids. A few pretty throws in there but the fact is, he averaged about 80 yards a game passing. Less than 60% accuracy. He rushed for 50 a game. And I know this doesn't mean he will or won't have success, but according to the sites I saw, his only other offer was from Buffalo.
Look, I'll be pulling for him or whoever is back there. And I'm sure he can do some great things with his athleticism. Plus, he does talk the talk. But if that's all he brings to the table, SEC defenses will cut this guy in half. Tell me why Clifford Franklin is going to kick ass on the planez.
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Clifford Franklin is lookin for a new ho
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Clifford Franklin is lookin for a new ho
I admit it. At first I was scared.
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Prowlie. Honest assessment on why you think Franklin 3 is going to be the shiznit. I'm not downing the guy at all. Supposedly the #1 JUCO Athlete coming out. Same as Jason Smith last year. So, there's something to him. I hope he or Barrett or White...hell, anybody comes in and takes control of this offense and we start clicking again.
Let me preface this by agreeing (As much as I hate to) with WT earlier. I was on the J. Johnson bandwagon. I watched film. I bought the hype. I thought he'd go down as one of the greats here. ***Cue sound of air being let out of balloon*** So, I'm a damn fine evaluator of talent. That's obvious. Still, I'm not seeing what any of the fuss is over Clifford Franklin III. He's really fast!!! Oregon fast!!! That's about it.
If you watch all those highlights, he's not running the read option. Nothing like it. Most of the time he's just taking the snap and either scrambling out of the shotgun or when he's under center, he takes off around the end. He's just fast enough to get around some JUCO kids. A few pretty throws in there but the fact is, he averaged about 80 yards a game passing. Less than 60% accuracy. He rushed for 50 a game. And I know this doesn't mean he will or won't have success, but according to the sites I saw, his only other offer was from Buffalo.
Look, I'll be pulling for him or whoever is back there. And I'm sure he can do some great things with his athleticism. Plus, he does talk the talk. But if that's all he brings to the table, SEC defenses will cut this guy in half. Tell me why Clifford Franklin is going to kick ass on the planez.
Prowler asked me to tell you that he doesn't have time to fuck with you and to not ever call him Prowlie again. Or, he'll fuck you up.
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I look like I just jacked off an elephant.
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But if that's all he brings to the table, SEC defenses will cut this guy in half.
Looks like they already have?
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/jf_zpszkrury2c.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/jf_zpszkrury2c.jpg.html)
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Prowlie. Honest assessment on why you think Franklin 3 is going to be the shiznit. I'm not downing the guy at all. Supposedly the #1 JUCO Athlete coming out. Same as Jason Smith last year. So, there's something to him. I hope he or Barrett or White...hell, anybody comes in and takes control of this offense and we start clicking again.
Let me preface this by agreeing (As much as I hate to) with WT earlier. I was on the J. Johnson bandwagon. I watched film. I bought the hype. I thought he'd go down as one of the greats here. ***Cue sound of air being let out of balloon*** So, I'm a damn fine evaluator of talent. That's obvious. Still, I'm not seeing what any of the fuss is over Clifford Franklin III. He's really fast!!! Oregon fast!!! That's about it.
If you watch all those highlights, he's not running the read option. Nothing like it. Most of the time he's just taking the snap and either scrambling out of the shotgun or when he's under center, he takes off around the end. He's just fast enough to get around some JUCO kids. A few pretty throws in there but the fact is, he averaged about 80 yards a game passing. Less than 60% accuracy. He rushed for 50 a game. And I know this doesn't mean he will or won't have success, but according to the sites I saw, his only other offer was from Buffalo.
Look, I'll be pulling for him or whoever is back there. And I'm sure he can do some great things with his athleticism. Plus, he does talk the talk. But if that's all he brings to the table, SEC defenses will cut this guy in half. Tell me why Clifford Franklin is going to kick ass on the planez.
I didn't see any read options, most of the runs were designed QB runs. He's fast, faster than Marshall and he has a pretty good arm (good enough arm). Auburn just needs a QB Coach that can teach him how to read defenses...or atleast teach him to no throw into double/triple coverage. I'm thinking that there's the flaw in Gus' system, he doesn't teach the QBs how to read defenses, there's no time for it. Some of the passes are designed per the play called. So, if you have a guy like JF3 or Jason Smith (who should've been the QB this year) they have good enough arms, but their elusiveness will make the Safeties and LBers hesitate just enough. With JJ & White, no one is worried about them running, plus our receivers are subpar (we don't have a receiver that commands attention). So again, someone like JF3, Woody or Jason Smith with decent arms and fast legs will command attention...that and, IMO Coach Malzahn calls a better game with a QB that can tuck it and fly when he doesn't want to throw into double/triple coverage.
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The only thing I don't like about Franklin is the way he carelessly holds the ball one handed as he is making a run for it.
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I didn't see any read options, most of the runs were designed QB runs. He's fast, faster than Marshall and he has a pretty good arm (good enough arm). Auburn just needs a QB Coach that can teach him how to read defenses...or atleast teach him to no throw into double/triple coverage. I'm thinking that there's the flaw in Gus' system, he doesn't teach the QBs how to read defenses, there's no time for it. Some of the passes are designed per the play called. So, if you have a guy like JF3 or Jason Smith (who should've been the QB this year) they have good enough arms, but their elusiveness will make the Safeties and LBers hesitate just enough. With JJ & White, no one is worried about them running, plus our receivers are subpar (we don't have a receiver that commands attention). So again, someone like JF3, Woody or Jason Smith with decent arms and fast legs will command attention...that and, IMO Coach Malzahn calls a better game with a QB that can tuck it and fly when he doesn't want to throw into double/triple coverage.
My wish is that they would get a cut-uo of Nick running the read option and say THIS, this is what you need to master. We just need a proficient passer that takes care of the ball otherwise. Sure you're going to have to complete some tough throws. We just want you to run the offense well enough to limit those throws. This offense, when it's clicking, generally produces some receivers running free. Those are the ones you can't miss. Pretty simple really.
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The only thing I don't like about Franklin is the way he carelessly holds the ball one handed as he is making a run for it.
If there's one thing we all hate around here, it's slouchy ball handling. Can't have it.
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The only thing I don't like about Franklin is the way he carelessly holds the ball one handed as he is making a run for it.
Never heard any complaints from you when Cam did this. Racist.
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I didn't see any read options, most of the runs were designed QB runs. He's fast, faster than Marshall and he has a pretty good arm (good enough arm). Auburn just needs a QB Coach that can teach him how to read defenses...or atleast teach him to no throw into double/triple coverage. I'm thinking that there's the flaw in Gus' system, he doesn't teach the QBs how to read defenses, there's no time for it. Some of the passes are designed per the play called. So, if you have a guy like JF3 or Jason Smith (who should've been the QB this year) they have good enough arms, but their elusiveness will make the Safeties and LBers hesitate just enough. With JJ & White, no one is worried about them running, plus our receivers are subpar (we don't have a receiver that commands attention). So again, someone like JF3, Woody or Jason Smith with decent arms and fast legs will command attention...that and, IMO Coach Malzahn calls a better game with a QB that can tuck it and fly when he doesn't want to throw into double/triple coverage.
:thumsup: Good insight.
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Never heard any complaints from you when Cam did this. Racist.
Cam didn't hold the ball one handed when he was about to get hit. Franklin will learn real fast, you can't do that in the SEC.
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Cam didn't hold the ball one handed when he was about to get hit. Franklin will learn real fast, you can't do that in the SEC.
...Unless you can.
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:thumsup: Good insight.
All I got from it was fire Jay Jacobs
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All I got from it was fire Jay Jacobs
That's all we need.
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When I said JF3 was fast, I was strictly going off of his highlight tapes. WOTS he was clocked at 4.38 40...yeah, that's Oregon fast. Wish he could play in the bowl game.
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When I said JF3 was fast, I was strictly going off of his highlight tapes. WOTS he was clocked at 4.38 40...yeah, that's Oregon fast. Wish he could play in the bowl game.
I agree. I saw the same. Sub 4.4 40 and very athletic. Just worry if he's just an athlete or if he can make reads and the throws you have to in this offense.
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I agree. I saw the same. Sub 4.4 40 and very athletic. Just worry if he's just an athlete or if he can make reads and the throws you have to in this offense.
Chasing squirrels. If nothing else, he could be a Grant fast scatback.
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Gus has def been putting in the work to recruit many QBs after this year's debacle. I think we actually have QB commits in place for 2017 & 2018 already in place. Right?
I still think Barrett will end up being the guy for several years. He seems to have just a little more talent than Franklin and that is saying alot. His downside is he will be a true Frosh. Sean White will work his ass off I'm sure. Should actually turn out to be one helluva QB battle the next several years.
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I agree. I saw the same. Sub 4.4 40 and very athletic. Just worry if he's just an athlete or if he can make reads and the throws you have to in this offense.
If he knows not to throw into triple coverage it will already be an improvement.
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Just finished watching a bunch of film on our incoming QB's for 2016. Woody Barrett and John Franklin III. First, let's assume for a second that there's nothing on campus right now that gives anyone hope for a bright future at AU. It's been said many times that we were a legit QB away from 10 or more wins and bigger things to come. I beg to differ on some of that because our D still sucked (s). But you digress.
Jeremy Johnson is not going to morph into Super Fucking Man and while Sean White could really do some good things at AU, I think most on here believe he's not exactly ideal to run Malzahn's system. I also beg to differ because he's done some serious offensive shit with QB's similar to White. But, let's talk about 2016. Barrett and JF III (Please don't get into the RG III comparisons) come in to compete for the job. Are either worthy?
When you compare Barrett to Franklin on film, it's not a fair fight. Anyone thinking Franklin is going to step in here and become Nick Marshall Part Dooooo...think again. The guy is 6' if that. 180 soaking wet with 10 pound dumbbells stuffed in his pockets. And his only other offer besides Auburn was from Buffalo. The film I saw was nothing more than snap the ball to him and he scrambles. Not read option. Not pass. Just wildcat scramble shittastic. I haven't seen his stats. Maybe there's much more to him. Show me.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/12/nick_marshall_gets_his_chance.html#incart_river_index
We probably had the best cornerback on the field playing QB the last two seasons...just never got a chance to witness it.
I mentioned the maturity level because Franklin might be more ready to get playing time having already performed at the JUCO level, and that's not to take anything away from the physicality of Barrett. We can't wait to see that but wishing it doesn't make it happen.
Franklin could end up splitting time with White or JJ if they stick around or he could be strickly a wildcat QB. Either way that speed will make its way on the field some way, somehow. He's gonna dazzle us even if Buffalo was his only offer.
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I do not want to see Coach Gushlee try to QB rotate ever again. JF3 has a tiny but of experience in D1 when he was at FSU. Here's the latest highlight tape...
http://youtu.be/lDkHhPpQncE
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I do not want to see Coach Gushlee try to QB rotate ever again. JF3 has a tiny but of experience in D1 when he was at FSU. Here's the latest highlight tape...
http://th.be/lDkHhPpQncE
He has a funky throwing motion. :jaw:
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He has a funky throwing motion. :jaw:
Somebody said he would never be an NFL QB with that funky throwing motion.
He tosses a right catchable floater.
My focus shifted to the offensive line. Those guys were clearing the runways in quick order.
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The Wild Tiger is back, baby!
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Bowl practice notes:
Coach Malzahn said that he'll be hiring the next DC in the near future. (YES!!!!!)
Sean White has looked pretty good, might play both in the bowl game. (Smh, 13 games in...still don't know who the starting QB will be)
Memphis is thinking about forfeiting, their coach stated that it's unfair they'll have to possibly face not one but two Elite, NFL Hall of Famer QBs in Johnson AND White.
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Bowl practice notes:
Coach Malzahn said that he'll be hiring the next DC in the near future. (YES!!!!!)
Sean White has looked pretty good, might play both in the bowl game. (Smh, 13 games in...still don't know who the starting QB will be)
Memphis is thinking about forfeiting, their coach stated that it's unfair they'll have to possibly face not one but two Elite, NFL Hall of Famer QBs in Johnson AND White.
Still doesn't know who the qb is going to be? We have a fucking idiot running our program.
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Still doesn't know who the qb is going to be? We have a fucking idiot running our program.
I'm starting to think you don't like Coach Malzahn. He's looking like he's another coach, in a very long line of coaches that are bad Head Coaches, but great Coordinators.
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To be fair, I'm sure Malzahn would have been playing the true starter had he not been injured more than half the season.
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To be fair, I'm sure Malzahn would have been playing the true starter had he not been injured more than half the season.
Or playing DB for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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To be fair, I'm sure Malzahn would have been playing the true starter had he not been injured more than half the season.
It's all coming back to me now....