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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Six on November 30, 2014, 03:53:18 PM
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Shutting down UAB football is 'going to happen,' coach Bill Clark tells ESPN, school to fire AD reports say
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/11/shutting_down_uab_football_is.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/11/shutting_down_uab_football_is.html)
After the one of the brightest moments in its history, the future, for UAB football, looks bleak, according to first-year head coach Bill Clark.
A day after guiding the Blazers to a sixth win, a 45-24 triumph on the road against Southern Miss, making them eligible for bowl competition for the first time in 10 years, Clark told ESPN today he fears the program could be shutdown.
"I think it's going to happen," Clark told college football reporter Joe Schad. "Unless something changes before the weekend ends, I think it's over. I think the odds are very high it ends this week. To shut the doors? That's sad."
The Blazers finished the regular season 6-6, including a 4-4 mark in Conference USA play. Their 2014 win total exceeds the five wins they amassed in two seasons under former coach Garrick McGee. The six wins triples the number of victories they had in 2013.
Concern the program could be shut down, following a university-wide strategic planning initiative, surfaced earlier this month.
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Sad but needed. UAB could easily devote its athletic resources to basketball and make the tournament almost every year.
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Sad but needed. UAB could easily devote its athletic resources to basketball and make the tournament almost every year.
Did they have a pass defense?
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That's such horseshit Uab posted a revenue last year in football. I think it's a huge fuck you to Birmingham.
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That's such horseshoot Uab posted a revenue last year in football. I think it's a huge fudge you to Birmingham.
That program was a threat to the money they have invested in Nick Sabbin. It was threatening to get better and spend more with an actual good coarch.
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That's such horseshit Uab posted a revenue last year in football. I think it's a huge fuck you to Birmingham.
Paul Jr. has held a grudge against Bartow/UAB for decades. This is what he has wanted for some time now.
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This is some bs. As soon as they hire a coach that can make the program relevant, they can the football program.
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Them UAB folk passionate, y'all:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10102561192830901 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10102561192830901)
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Is there any possibility this transparent travesty finally starts to uncover the cockroaches that run this mess? Is it enough to get people to finally pay attention to the fact that the REC is real, the coverups are real, the blatant cheating is real.
Hope? Will this finally piss enough people off?
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Is there any possibility this transparent travesty finally starts to uncover the cockroaches that run this mess? Is it enough to get people to finally pay attention to the fact that the REC is real, the coverups are real, the blatant cheating is real.
Hope? Will this finally piss enough people off?
Nope. I don't live there anymore but I remember this: Bama media?
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Is there any possibility this transparent travesty finally starts to uncover the roosterroaches that run this mess? Is it enough to get people to finally pay attention to the fact that the REC is real, the coverups are real, the blatant cheating is real.
Hope? Will this finally piss enough people off?
Nope. Nada. Zizzeroni chance.
Rick Karle and even the news anchors on Fox 6 last night repeated over and over that "this had nothing to do with the Alabama BoT." Much like the "Got 15?" narrative, if they repeat it enough times, people will start believing it to be true.
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Nope. Nada. Zizzeroni chance.
Rick Karle and even the news anchors on Fox 6 last night repeated over and over that "this had nothing to do with the Alabama BoT." Much like the "Got 15?" narrative, if they repeat it enough times, people will start believing it to be true.
Most Ive seen are actually calling out the BOT and Bryant Jr. on this one. Even Jon Solomon. Greg Doyel has written a couple of articles at the national level, as has Tony Barhart over in Ga. Brando has been chiming in as well. It looks like many see it for what it is. This has EVERYTHING to do with PBJ and Bama's animosity towards UAB in general for the last 3-4 decades. Theyve wanted them squashed for a while now and this was PBJ's last act while on the board.
There is an article Doyel wrote on CBS Sports back around 06/07 detailing all of the shady shit Bama and PBJ has done in re to UAB. A lot of it involving Jimbo Fisher when he was at LSU and Bama's attempt at the time to land Nick Saban while in Miami.
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This isn't just Little Bear; it's Drunk Bear too.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-05/sports/sp-20797_1_gene-bartow (http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-05/sports/sp-20797_1_gene-bartow)
Gene Bartow, basketball coach and athletic director at the University of Alabama Birmingham, Wednesday apologized for making comments critical of the late Paul (Bear) Bryant, University of Alabama football coach and athletic director from 1957 to '82.
Bartow's comments about Bryant were part of a letter to David Berst, NCAA assistant executive director for enforcement, written in November of 1991. Portions of the letter appeared Wednesday in The Times.
Bartow, who followed John Wooden as UCLA basketball coach, wrote in the letter that he believed his life would have been in danger had the NCAA delved too deeply into the activities of the late Sam Gilbert, the Bruin booster who was closely aligned with the program during the Wooden years.
Bartow also urged Berst to investigate the Alabama basketball program and noted that several football coaches whose programs had drawn NCAA sanctions--including Jackie Sherrill, Danny Ford and Charley Pell--were "trained" by Bryant.
In a statement issued Wednesday by UAB, Bartow said:
"I had great respect for Coach Bryant as the greatest football coach who ever lived and sincerely apologize to family, friends, former players and fans who were offended.
"I would also apologize to the coaches who worked under Coach Bryant who were mentioned. . . . They are all fine coaches, and I'm not sure why I put that in my letter.
"This letter was written out of deep frustration about our apparent inability to recruit the same high-caliber players Alabama was getting under their former staff. I would like to emphasize that I have the greatest respect for the current athletic staff . . . at Alabama.
"I was extremely upset at the NCAA enforcement staff at the time, especially with what I saw as their failure to enforce NCAA rules. . . . "
Bartow also said in the statement:
"I think it is unfortunate that, after almost two years, a writer from the Los Angeles Times would seemingly receive confidential information. . . . Without question, I admit to writing the NCAA on a few occasions . . . and I am sure that others have written the NCAA staff a time or two to comment on our program."
I haven't been able to find exactly what Bartow accused Bryant of, but there's this:
Bartow's letter, written to the N.C.A.A. enforcement director, DAVID BERST, and first reported Tuesday in The Los Angeles Times, said four former Alabama players told him of rules violations after transferring to U.A.B. Bartow also linked former Alabama Coach BEAR BRYANT to numerous rules breaches in college athletics.
From what I've been able to find in non-media sources, seems like Bartow accused Bryant (Sr) of doing everything in his power to keep UAB down as a football and basketball program. Also claimed:
Bartow, who also serves as athletic director, wrote that "cheating in recruiting has been a way of life" in Alabama.
No doubt in my mind that those fuckers over there instigated the majority of the Cam bullshit. No doubt they have fueled every negative rumor about Auburn, and I sincerely believe that the suits and ties at the University of Alabama would have no qualms about doing away with Auburn athletics if they could figure out how to do so.
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This isn't just Little Bear; it's Drunk Bear too.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-05/sports/sp-20797_1_gene-bartow (http://articles.latimes.com/1993-08-05/sports/sp-20797_1_gene-bartow)
I haven't been able to find exactly what Bartow accused Bryant of, but there's this:
From what I've been able to find in non-media sources, seems like Bartow accused Bryant (Sr) of doing everything in his power to keep UAB down as a football and basketball program. Also claimed:
No doubt in my mind that those fuckers over there instigated the majority of the Cam bullshit. No doubt they have fueled every negative rumor about Auburn, and I sincerely believe that the suits and ties at the University of Alabama would have no qualms about doing away with Auburn athletics if they could figure out how to do so.
Correct. And Little Bear is simply carrying out old vendettas. This stuff transcends death and generations.
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If they had the ways and means, they would do to Auburn exactly what they just did to UAB. They have sure as hell tried other paths hundreds of times over the years.
I can only hope that Auburn fans never forget that.
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If they had the ways and means, they would do to Auburn exactly what they just did to UAB. They have sure as hell tried other paths hundreds of times over the years.
I can only hope that Auburn fans never forget that.
Auburn (and even Troy now to a degree) has way too much of a financial and cultural impact on the entire state. The UABs and Samfords can be spared without much impact. Sports wise anyway.
Plus now the Finebaum rednecks can start saying: "Hayyy Awbren, you can stop sayin UAT now. Therrrr aint no uther un inymorrrr!"
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I'm not questioning any of this. Sounds like some of you are far more knowledgeable about the animosity between UAB and UAT than I am. Wasn't really aware of it. The question I do have is why? What threat is UAB now or have they ever been to UAT? Athletically, they have a normally competitive basketball program. Nothing great. They make a little more noise than Auburn on occasion. They started the football program in 1991 as a Division III independent, long after Drunk Bear died. They've struggled since day 1 and this year's 6-6 record is like worst to first for them.
Other than the odd recruit in basketball, they're never going to steal players from UAT in any sport. They only averaged 134 people a game in football attendance so no threat there. Again, not saying Drunk Jr. doesn't want them squashed. Had no idea. Just wondering why when they're less a threat to UAT than Troy would be to Auburn?
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I'm not questioning any of this. Sounds like some of you are far more knowledgeable about the animosity between UAB and UAT than I am. Wasn't really aware of it. The question I do have is why? What threat is UAB now or have they ever been to UAT? Athletically, they have a normally competitive basketball program. Nothing great. They make a little more noise than Auburn on occasion. They started the football program in 1991 as a Division III independent, long after Drunk Bear died. They've struggled since day 1 and this year's 6-6 record is like worst to first for them.
Other than the odd recruit in basketball, they're never going to steal players from UAT in any sport. They only averaged 134 people a game in football attendance so no threat there. Again, not saying Drunk Jr. doesn't want them squashed. Had no idea. Just wondering why when they're less a threat to UAT than Troy would be to Auburn?
Read all of THS' post. Mainly in re to Bartow and allegations.
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Read all of THS' post. Mainly in re to Bartow and allegations.
I did but hell, everyone on the planet with half a functioning brain knows about their history. Wonder how many letters Spurrier wrote. Forget letters, he just flat out said it publically.
"Kid committed to us. Takes a trip to Tuscaloosa. He and his daddy come back with brand new SUV's. He's no longer committed to us. I'm not sayin'....I'm just sayin."
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The most disappointing thing about what THS posted to me is the fact that Bartow's letter to the NCAA was leaked by the NCAA. How does this magically appear to an LA reporter?
This just furthers the proof of UA/NCAA connections. The NCAA is obviously powerless against the certain schools and UA definitely tops that list.
Bartow's letter seems a little paranoid and as if he's grasping at straws but it was a confidential letter to a supposed governing body.
I wonder when/if the NCAA apologizes for the security breach? Actually, I really don't wonder that. I doubt they will but if they were legit, they would investigate and punish.
Re: UAB, I was aware of the years of animosity but IF the football program truly was a financial drain (as I suspect they were), I can understand pulling the plug. I haven't followed the story closely and only knew that it was serious within the last week.
Wondered for years how they could rise up so quickly with so little asses in the seats at games. And who would want to go the dump and risk getting car jacked anyway? Anytime WT has been there, he feels like he may have to spring into karate mode at any minute. It's a stressful environment. They will shoot you.
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I did but hell, everyone on the planet with half a functioning brain knows about their history. Wonder how many letters Spurrier wrote. Forget letters, he just flat out said it publically.
He basically confronted them on it, told the public and told them to lick his balls while he was at it. This was a major figure at an in state school. Not some blogger or writer. No way that would go unanswered, even if 20 years later. UAB was an enemy on the proverbial hit list. They understood what we understand about Bama. BUT.... were small enough to squash into oblivion. Auburn is not. HBC is not.
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I'm not questioning any of this. Sounds like some of you are far more knowledgeable about the animosity between UAB and UAT than I am. Wasn't really aware of it. The question I do have is why? What threat is UAB now or have they ever been to UAT? Athletically, they have a normally competitive basketball program. Nothing great. They make a little more noise than Auburn on occasion. They started the football program in 1991 as a Division III independent, long after Drunk Bear died. They've struggled since day 1 and this year's 6-6 record is like worst to first for them.
Other than the odd recruit in basketball, they're never going to steal players from UAT in any sport. They only averaged 134 people a game in football attendance so no threat there. Again, not saying Drunk Jr. doesn't want them squashed. Had no idea. Just wondering why when they're less a threat to UAT than Troy would be to Auburn?
You're looking at it from the comfort of 2014 when UAB has been routinely stifled over the past few decades until PBJ finally saw the opportunity to squash the football program.
I wouldn't doubt he has similar aspirations with the UAB basketball program.
Alabama created "UAB" a while back and called it the Extension Center for Alabama academics. Its purpose was to relocate and establish the state's medical school while serving as a less reputable center of classes that could serve the Birmingham area. Essentially, it was a money maker for the university without costing too much.
UAB became self-aware in the 60s and was granted autonomy within the University of Alabama education system. This meant that UAB was its own university except that it had to clear everything through the UA BOT.
UAB now is not a threat to the University of Alabama. However, it could have been. It's 55 miles away from Tuscaloosa. It's the state's largest employer. Its medical school is one of the best in the nation and one of the top ones in the Southeast. It's in a large city (one that has had its ups and downs, yes).
UAB offers plenty of options that neither Alabama nor Auburn can offer. It could have built a 45k seat stadium that would have complemented the new Regions field. It could easily have the state's #1 basketball program.
No, it would not have competed in football with Alabama or Auburn. At least not any time now. Probably never. But it could have taken some spotlight, some revenue, some TV time, some news time, some online time away from the University of Alabama. Auburn too. But much more so Alabama.
Also think back to when this all started with Bear Bryant. Think about where Auburn was as a football program until Lowder and Dye came along. Auburn was good, yes, but almost left behind as Alabama was crowning itself king of football thanks to rampant cheating in recruiting from very giving boosters. Think about programs like Florida State and Penn State. More recently, Louisville and Kansas State. Small time schools with little hope of ever breaking into the spotlight CAN if they get the right coach, right facilities, and right support.
UAB could have had plenty of financial support for athletics (doctors and researchers can make a fuck ton of money; plus some of the most profitable businesses in the state reside in Birmingham). They were situated in the middle of an area with almost a million people.
So again, maybe not now or any time recently, but this is the final nail in the coffin that was first hammered back in the 70s thanks to Bryant, cronyism, and an unhealthy obsession with Crimson Tide football.
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You're looking at it from the comfort of 2014 when UAB has been routinely stifled over the past few decades until PBJ finally saw the opportunity to squash the football program.
I wouldn't doubt he has similar aspirations with the UAB basketball program.
Alabama created "UAB" a while back and called it the Extension Center for Alabama academics. Its purpose was to relocate and establish the state's medical school while serving as a less reputable center of classes that could serve the Birmingham area. Essentially, it was a money maker for the university without costing too much.
UAB became self-aware in the 60s and was granted autonomy within the University of Alabama education system. This meant that UAB was its own university except that it had to clear everything through the UA BOT.
UAB now is not a threat to the University of Alabama. However, it could have been. It's 55 miles away from Tuscaloosa. It's the state's largest employer. Its medical school is one of the best in the nation and one of the top ones in the Southeast. It's in a large city (one that has had its ups and downs, yes).
UAB offers plenty of options that neither Alabama nor Auburn can offer. It could have built a 45k seat stadium that would have complemented the new Regions field. It could easily have the state's #1 basketball program.
No, it would not have competed in football with Alabama or Auburn. At least not any time now. Probably never. But it could have taken some spotlight, some revenue, some TV time, some news time, some online time away from the University of Alabama. Auburn too. But much more so Alabama.
Also think back to when this all started with Bear Bryant. Think about where Auburn was as a football program until Lowder and Dye came along. Auburn was good, yes, but almost left behind as Alabama was crowning itself king of football thanks to rampant cheating in recruiting from very giving boosters. Think about programs like Florida State and Penn State. More recently, Louisville and Kansas State. Small time schools with little hope of ever breaking into the spotlight CAN if they get the right coach, right facilities, and right support.
UAB could have had plenty of financial support for athletics (doctors and researchers can make a fuck ton of money; plus some of the most profitable businesses in the state reside in Birmingham). They were situated in the middle of an area with almost a million people.
So again, maybe not now or any time recently, but this is the final nail in the coffin that was first hammered back in the 70s thanks to Bryant, cronyism, and an unhealthy obsession with Crimson Tide football.
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Except for "Its medical school is one of the best in the nation and one of the top ones in the Southeast."
Its for the people who can't get into Tulane, Vandy, Emory or Duke iffin were being honest here.
But yeah, pretty spot on write up dude.
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He's only 15. How would he remember any of this. As far as where we were as a football program, I do think some are too young to recall what it was really like. Auburn has always been a program on a rollercoaster. We've never been left behind by Bama or even almost left behind. We enjoyed 25 years of solid success under Shug, including a MNC. Exit Shug, enter Doug. Several years of suckage. Dougie is out, Dye takes over and Bear or no Bear, Auburn enjoyed one of the best stretches in it's history.
Keep it down home, cuz and the program is down a few years. Tater Tot comes in and goes 22-1-1. Tot screws it up and in comes Tommy. Say what you will but we had some pretty damn good years under Tubby and won far more than we lost, including 6 in a row against Bear is Dead. No need to go on...it's just Auburn football. It's the way it is and always has been regardless of whether Bear Bryant was alive or dead.
As for UAB, I think the possibilities are way overstated. No offense to you Ham'rs but that city has a long history of fail and non support when it comes to sports. UAB never was, never will be any kind of threat to the major powers whether Drunk Jr. hated them or not.
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Bill Clark.
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Bill Clark.
Don't tease you bastard
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Don't tease you bastard
Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel and Bill Clark
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He's only 15. How would he remember any of this. As far as where we were as a football program, I do think some are too young to recall what it was really like. Auburn has always been a program on a rollercoaster. We've never been left behind by Bama or even almost left behind. We enjoyed 25 years of solid success under Shug, including a MNC. Exit Shug, enter Doug. Several years of suckage. Dougie is out, Dye takes over and Bear or no Bear, Auburn enjoyed one of the best stretches in it's history.
Keep it down home, cuz and the program is down a few years. Tater Tot comes in and goes 22-1-1. Tot screws it up and in comes Tommy. Say what you will but we had some pretty damn good years under Tubby and won far more than we lost, including 6 in a row against Bear is Dead. No need to go on...it's just Auburn football. It's the way it is and always has been regardless of whether Bear Bryant was alive or dead.
As for UAB, I think the possibilities are way overstated. No offense to you Ham'rs but that city has a long history of fail and non support when it comes to sports. UAB never was, never will be any kind of threat to the major powers whether Drunk Jr. hated them or not.
You've got a lot wrong here.
There was an elevation of money and TV exposure in the late 70s and early 80s that Auburn was most certainly not going to be part of. Not to mention, facility upgrades were happening around this time similar to how they're happening now.
Bobby Lowder, as much as many hate him, kept Auburn with the big boys. Pat Dye as much as we think we love him, kept Auburn competitive.
Bo Over the Top has some implications off the field that are astronomical.
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Bo Over the Top has some implications off the field that are astronomical.
You have no idea. It changed the entire world.
Before Bo crashed over the line the Bama contingent had gotten comfortable. We were second class citizens in every way. Nine years of dominance that featured multiple NCs on their part had infused the university, the administration and the ragtag sidewalk hillbilly fanbase with a sense of superiority and invulnerability. We were just that little bitty pesky gnat, no more significant to them than Mississippi State. If we won, it was a fluke. If we lost it was our destiny, our lot in life.
Remnants of that attitude persist today.
That smug sense of superiority filtered out to the media, state and eventually national. It lived on through people like Keith Jackson and was passed down to Verne, Brent, and all the old guard. They've handed it on to people like Kirk, C.Fowler and that generation aided and abetted by the (grudgingly brilliant) move by UA to pump up the journalism department and spread people sympathetic to their win at all costs fanaticism to every major media outlet in the country. When you actually step back and look at how many of their people lurk in major markets it's staggering.
Then in 1981 we hired Dye. He wasn't satisfied to play aw shucks little brother to Alabama. Believe it or not, there were people who resisted that. They were afraid of upsetting big bad bama and didn't want to take them on directly like Dye did.
When Bo crossed the goal line, it broke everything for them. When we continued to compete with them and began to surpass them in numerous ways it set their machine in motion. They were determined then (and remain determined now) to drive us into the ground. This is what I've been preaching for decades This is why I believe we HAVE to confront their cheating and bullshit openly and make a case of it. They have less time to spend on destroying us when they have to spend time defending themselves.
This is what Bo's dive wrought:
1) Vast improvements to Jordan Hare Stadium
2) The death of the old Iron Bowl where despite claims of 50/50, Alabama always had the upper hand
3) The eventual decal of Legion Field
4) The loss of Birmingham's claim to "Football Capitol of the South"
5) An orchestrated campaign to smear Dye and find some way to get him out of Auburn -- it worked. UA and the city of Birmingham (Arrington) teamed up to take Dye down.
6) A retaliatory campaign (for the first time) to force the NCAA to finally look in Tuscaloosa's direction. And it worked.
7) A coaching carousel in Tuscaloosa as they tried to keep AU from getting ahead of them
8) Gene stallings and a return to the cheating ways that are the only way they can stay relevant.
9) Major construction to Big Dipshit Stadium in order to compete with Jordan Hare
10) An orchestrated campaign to discredit and destroy Bobby Lowder (it worked)
11) An orchestrated campaign to destroy Cam Newton and his family because he was going to give AU something that would make us even more equal
12) The hiring of Nick Saban and a return to the rampant blatant cheating that has always been their hallmark and the only way they can remain competitive. But they'd learned. When they started it back this time, they made sure they had the people in place to keep things buried.
There's more, but if Bo doesn't crack the goal line in 1982 the football world as we know it would be vastly changed for the worse. You think you're sick of it now, Townhall? You should have lived through it then. It's the same story all over again.
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You have no idea. It changed the entire world.
Before Bo crashed over the line the Bama contingent had gotten comfortable. We were second class citizens in every way. Nine years of dominance that featured multiple NCs on their part had infused the university, the administration and the ragtag sidewalk hillbilly fanbase with a sense of superiority and invulnerability. We were just that little bitty pesky gnat, no more significant to them than Mississippi State. If we won, it was a fluke. If we lost it was our destiny, our lot in life.
Remnants of that attitude persist today.
That smug sense of superiority filtered out to the media, state and eventually national. It lived on through people like Keith Jackson and was passed down to Verne, Brent, and all the old guard. They've handed it on to people like Kirk, C.Fowler and that generation aided and abetted by the (grudgingly brilliant) move by UA to pump up the journalism department and spread people sympathetic to their win at all costs fanaticism to every major media outlet in the country. When you actually step back and look at how many of their people lurk in major markets it's staggering.
Then in 1981 we hired Dye. He wasn't satisfied to play aw shucks little brother to Alabama. Believe it or not, there were people who resisted that. They were afraid of upsetting big bad bama and didn't want to take them on directly like Dye did.
When Bo crossed the goal line, it broke everything for them. When we continued to compete with them and began to surpass them in numerous ways it set their machine in motion. They were determined then (and remain determined now) to drive us into the ground. This is what I've been preaching for decades This is why I believe we HAVE to confront their cheating and bullshit openly and make a case of it. They have less time to spend on destroying us when they have to spend time defending themselves.
This is what Bo's dive wrought:
1) Vast improvements to Jordan Hare Stadium
2) The death of the old Iron Bowl where despite claims of 50/50, Alabama always had the upper hand
3) The eventual decal of Legion Field
4) The loss of Birmingham's claim to "Football Capitol of the South"
5) An orchestrated campaign to smear Dye and find some way to get him out of Auburn -- it worked. UA and the city of Birmingham (Arrington) teamed up to take Dye down.
6) A retaliatory campaign (for the first time) to force the NCAA to finally look in Tuscaloosa's direction. And it worked.
7) A coaching carousel in Tuscaloosa as they tried to keep AU from getting ahead of them
8) Gene stallings and a return to the cheating ways that are the only way they can stay relevant.
9) Major construction to Big Dipshit Stadium in order to compete with Jordan Hare
10) An orchestrated campaign to discredit and destroy Bobby Lowder (it worked)
11) An orchestrated campaign to destroy Cam Newton and his family because he was going to give AU something that would make us even more equal
12) The hiring of Nick Saban and a return to the rampant blatant cheating that has always been their hallmark and the only way they can remain competitive. But they'd learned. When they started it back this time, they made sure they had the people in place to keep things buried.
There's more, but if Bo doesn't crack the goal line in 1982 the football world as we know it would be vastly changed for the worse. You think you're sick of it now, Townhall? You should have lived through it then. It's the same story all over again.
:thumsup: #winning :aubie:
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You've got a lot wrong here.
There was an elevation of money and TV exposure in the late 70s and early 80s that Auburn was most certainly not going to be part of. Not to mention, facility upgrades were happening around this time similar to how they're happening now.
Bobby Lowder, as much as many hate him, kept Auburn with the big boys. Pat Dye as much as we think we love him, kept Auburn competitive.
Bo Over the Top has some implications off the field that are astronomical.
No, I don't. I lived it. I was at AU when Dye was hired and all the upgrades, starting with the stadium began. I'm not even remotely questioning Dye's or Lowder's impact on Auburn and Auburn athletics.
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No, I don't. I lived it. I was at AU when Dye was hired and all the upgrades, starting with the stadium began. I'm not even remotely questioning Dye's or Lowder's impact on Auburn and Auburn athletics.
I'd fuck either one of them.
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I'd fuck either one of them.
Okay now that's just gross. Do you know how old these guys are?
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Okay now that's just gross. Do you know how old these guys are?
FLIF'S ?
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Okay now that's just gross. Do you know how old these guys are?
if loving them is wrong, K don't wanna be right.