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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: ssgaufan on January 09, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
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ESPN and several other outlets are reporting that Franklin is going to accept the Penn St job.
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ESPN and several other outlets are reporting that Franklin is going to accept the Penn St job.
ESPN also reported that Cam Newton is a thug.
I'll believe it when it's official. Players and our ballin' ass AD are saying that he's still thinking it over. He may very well leave, but the ejaculate is too early at this point.
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ESPN and several other outlets are reporting that Franklin is going to accept the Penn St job.
http://vandypride.com/james-franklin-wont-be-leaving-vanderbilt-anytime-son/ (http://vandypride.com/james-franklin-wont-be-leaving-vanderbilt-anytime-son/)
This part could be whats taking so long:
But the way the contract is written the turf on the football field that was put down two years ago and the new 31 million dollar indoor practice facility is tied to Coach Franklin and his contract. And if he leaves whichever school wants our coach has to pay off the upgrades that Franklin asked for and received.
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http://vandypride.com/james-franklin-wont-be-leaving-vanderbilt-anytime-son/ (http://vandypride.com/james-franklin-wont-be-leaving-vanderbilt-anytime-son/)
This part could be whats taking so long:
But the way the contract is written the turf on the football field that was put down two years ago and the new 31 million dollar indoor practice facility is tied to Coach Franklin and his contract. And if he leaves whichever school wants our coach has to pay off the upgrades that Franklin asked for and received.
Penn St has been throwing around a lot of money lately.
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Penn St has been throwing around a lot of money lately.
Apparently child rape doesn't cost as much as it used to.
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Apparently child rape doesn't cost as much as it used to.
damn recession
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Apparently child rape doesn't cost as much as it used to.
Supply and demand and all
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Supply and demand and all
Supply still there.
Demand went away for about 60 years I heard.
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Supply still there.
Demand went away for about 60 years I heard.
The Catholic Church disagrees with you.
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The Catholic Church disagrees with you.
James Franklin is going to Notre Dame?
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Vanderbilt coach James Franklin has agreed to terms with Penn State to become the school’s head football coach.
*FOX Sports update: The contract of an unnamed coach, "likely will be approved during a special meeting Saturday," the Centre Daily Times reports citing a university source.
Over three seasons coaching the Commodores, Franklin, 41, compiled a 24-15 overall record and went 11-13 in the SEC. He also led the program to three consecutive bowl appearances, winning two of those games. Prior to his arrival in Nashville from the University of Maryland, the program suffered a 4-20 record and recorded only one win in the Southeastern Conference over two seasons.
Franklin’s coaching future was a hot topic before he agreed to coach the Nittany Lions. He reportedly interviewed with Texas and the Houston Texans of the National Football League, though the former has since brought on ex- Louisville coach Charlie Strong, while the Texans have signed former Penn State coach Bill O’Brien. Franklin reportedly received interest from the NFL’s Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins as well.
While the Commodores’ 9-4 record this past season marked the first time in program history the program posted back-to-back nine-win campaigns, Franklin has also been credited as a guiding force behind the success of senior WR Jordan Matthews, the SEC’s all-time leader for receptions and yards.
Franklin will replace former head coach Bill O’Brien, who held the job for two years.
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Also, UAB now has to enter the coaching search as their HC went to Louisville to be Bobby P's OC. UAB needs to drop down a division in foosball, cause that program is a dumpster fire.
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I might apply just for shits
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I might apply just for shits
I think you'd make a hell of a coach!
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I might apply just for shits
I'm not in a position where I can take a step back in my career
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Vanderbilt coach James Franklin has agreed to terms with Penn State to become the school’s head football coach.
Still speculation.
Don't get me wrong...I know that Penn State will be holding a conference on Saturday to announce something "big," and I know that Franklin is #1 for the job and has a strong likelihood of going. But nothing has been announced officially. The news outlets you're referencing were reporting that he agreed to take the job before anything was known. And even after James Franklin was quoted as saying that he "could do either" and was still thinking it over, those same outlets were still reporting that he had accepted the job. Unless they've hired Professor X to read Franklin's mind and know what he's thinking despite what he's saying, then it's speculation.
When it comes out of David Williams' big burly mouth (who is meeting with Franklin and a big name donor today, BTW), I'll concede it. Until then, :aubie: . Or Anchor Down...whatever.
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Still speculation.
Don't get me wrong...I know that Penn State will be holding a conference on Saturday to announce something "big," and I know that Franklin is #1 for the job and has a strong likelihood of going. But nothing has been announced officially. The news outlets you're referencing were reporting that he agreed to take the job before anything was known. And even after James Franklin was quoted as saying that he "could do either" and was still thinking it over, those same outlets were still reporting that he had accepted the job. Unless they've hired Professor X to read Franklin's mind and know what he's thinking despite what he's saying, then it's speculation.
When it comes out of David Williams' big burly mouth (who is meeting with Franklin and a big name donor today, BTW), I'll concede it. Until then, :aubie: . Or Anchor Down...whatever.
I'm just trying to find something to keep this board going. You know it kinda dies off after the season.
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Still speculation.
Don't get me wrong...I know that Penn State will be holding a conference on Saturday to announce something "big," and I know that Franklin is #1 for the job and has a strong likelihood of going. But nothing has been announced officially. The news outlets you're referencing were reporting that he agreed to take the job before anything was known. And even after James Franklin was quoted as saying that he "could do either" and was still thinking it over, those same outlets were still reporting that he had accepted the job. Unless they've hired Professor X to read Franklin's mind and know what he's thinking despite what he's saying, then it's speculation.
When it comes out of David Williams' big burly mouth (who is meeting with Franklin and a big name donor today, BTW), I'll concede it. Until then, :aubie: . Or Anchor Down...whatever.
But EPSN done said it's a done deal...
James Franklin is expected to receive a contract from Penn State worth up to $4.5 million a year, according to a source, making him the Big Ten's second-highest-paid coach behind Ohio State's Urban Meyer.
Former coach Bill O'Brien made $3.82 million a year while Franklin reportedly made about $3 million a year at Vanderbilt.
Penn State has scheduled a news conference for 4:15 p.m. ET Saturday to make a "major announcement."
The Penn State compensation committee is scheduled to meet in a closed session at 8:30 a.m. ET Saturday to discuss a "matter of compensation," school spokeswoman Lisa Powers said. Sources told ESPN that meeting is about Franklin, who spent the past three seasons at Vanderbilt.
Powers said that following the meeting a brief public session would be held. The committee members are chairwoman Linda B. Strumpf, Kathleen L. Casey, Mark H. Dambly, Karen B. Peetz and Paul H. Silvis.
A source told ESPN on Thursday that Franklin would not officially accept the Penn State job until the contract was approved Saturday.
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But EPSN done said it's a done deal...
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Also, UAB now has to enter the coaching search as their HC went to Louisville to be Bobby P's OC. UAB needs to drop down a division in foosball, cause that program is a dumpster fire.
It's a dumpster fire because uat wants it to be.
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NOW it's official.
James Franklin is a renter, per his own words:
You can be a renter or you can be a builder. You can rent somebody else's legacy or you can come in and build your own. We talk about how that's a way to differentiate yourself. You can come here and do something that's never been done before. We talk about selling these kids on a dream and a vision of the greatest turnaround in college football history. That's an opportunity you don't get very often. Nowadays, it's very hard to do something that's never been done before. You're following in somebody else's footsteps. At Vanderbilt, we have a chance to walk our own path.
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NOW it's official.
James Franklin is a renter, per his own words:
I think he set y'all up for long-term success way moreso than anyone else in our lifetime has. Y'all should build a statue of him. He established a mentality that Vandy can actually be a football school. It's no longer a joke for recruits to pick the school. The facilities upgrades that apparently Penn State is now paying for, will pay dividends. Anchor Down, etc. etc. Provided Vandy doesn't fuck up royally on the next guy, he should be able to continue what Franklin built, IMO.
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I think he set y'all up for long-term success way moreso than anyone else in our lifetime has. Y'all should build a statue of him. He established a mentality that Vandy can actually be a football school. It's no longer a joke for recruits to pick the school. The facilities upgrades that apparently Penn State is now paying for, will pay dividends. Anchor Down, etc. etc. Provided Vandy doesn't fuck up royally on the next guy, he should be able to continue what Franklin built, IMO.
Maybe, maybe not. Sure, Vandy was left with a better record and better facilities. For that, he gets my thanks, and I do believe that will help in landing a worthwhile coach.
But there's something unsettling I've noticed about Franklin's tenure. I've noticed that our star players in the past couple of years (Jordan Matthews, Zac Stacy, and Jordan Rodgers) were Bobby Johnson's recruits. Carta-Samuels, Robinette, Seymour, and Kimbrow are solid players...but outshined by Stacy and Rodgers. And there's no WR that Franklin has recruited who outplays Matthews; Krause is the closest WR, but he was also recruited by Bobby Johnson.
Our recruiting classes were solid with Franklin. So why are Johnson's players the ones to excel? Franklin's recruiting classes were overrated, the coaching sucked, or the players are young and have yet to pan out.
I don't know what the issue is, but it's slightly concerning to me that the talent we've been recruiting under Franklin has yet to perform like the talent recruited by Johnson. If it's a coaching problem, then we have to bring in a guy who can coach AND recruit, and then maybe we'll be set to continue to improve. If it's a talent problem, then we're fucked for the next few years (and maybe more depending on the coach we get), especially considering that Franklin's departure could very well screw over our current recruiting class.
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Maybe, maybe not. Sure, Vandy was left with a better record and better facilities. For that, he gets my thanks, and I do believe that will help in landing a worthwhile coach.
But there's something unsettling I've noticed about Franklin's tenure. I've noticed that our star players in the past couple of years (Jordan Matthews, Zac Stacy, and Jordan Rodgers) were Bobby Johnson's recruits. Carta-Samuels, Robinette, Seymour, and Kimbrow are solid players...but outshined by Stacy and Rodgers. And there's no WR that Franklin has recruited who outplays Matthews; Krause is the closest WR, but he was also recruited by Bobby Johnson.
Our recruiting classes were solid with Franklin. So why are Johnson's players the ones to excel? Franklin's recruiting classes were overrated, the coaching sucked, or the players are young and have yet to pan out.
I don't know what the issue is, but it's slightly concerning to me that the talent we've been recruiting under Franklin has yet to perform like the talent recruited by Johnson. If it's a coaching problem, then we have to bring in a guy who can coach AND recruit, and then maybe we'll be set to continue to improve. If it's a talent problem, then we're fucked for the next few years (and maybe more depending on the coach we get), especially considering that Franklin's departure could very well screw over our current recruiting class.
Butch Jones will make a name for himself at Vandy's expense if the AD doesn't act quickly to lure the right guy.
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Kirby Smart to Vandy per nobody yet. I'm trying to start that.
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Kirby Smart to Vandy per nobody yet. I'm trying to start that.
The bloom is off that rose.
Besides, why would you want him to leave? Saban might actually get a DC that could coach at that point.
I want Smart as Saban's successor. That would be a comedy of Dubosian proportions.
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Butch Jones will make a name for himself at Vandy's expense if the AD doesn't act quickly to lure the right guy.
I have faith in David Williams. He's shown that he is willing to do what it takes to build a better program. My only concern is who's available and willing to take a chance on fully buying into an upcoming team. As much as I liked Bobby Johnson, Franklin is the only Vandy coach that I can remember who bought into the program enthusiastically, or at least put up a facade as if he did. Widenhofer was good for our defense, but wasn't a great overall coach, recruiter, or hype man.
We're left with options like Chad Morris, Derek Mason, and Jim McElwain. I'm not scoffing at any of those options as being below Vandy, but I don't know much about them, and that's what concerns me. Of course, I felt the same way when Franklin was hired. Which is why I have faith in David Williams as an AD to make the right decision again, even if it's only for another three years. As long as we're heading upward, maybe we can eventually land someone who truly wants to be with the program.
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I have faith in David Williams. He's shown that he is willing to do what it takes to build a better program. My only concern is who's available and willing to take a chance on fully buying into an upcoming team. As much as I liked Bobby Johnson, Franklin is the only Vandy coach that I can remember who bought into the program enthusiastically, or at least put up a facade as if he did. Widenhofer was good for our defense, but wasn't a great overall coach, recruiter, or hype man.
We're left with options like Chad Morris, Derek Mason, and Jim McElwain. I'm not scoffing at any of those options as being below Vandy, but I don't know much about them, and that's what concerns me. Of course, I felt the same way when Franklin was hired. Which is why I have faith in David Williams as an AD to make the right decision again, even if it's only for another three years. As long as we're heading upward, maybe we can eventually land someone who truly wants to be with the program.
Williams has proven he knows what he's doing. I liked having Franklin in the conference. Vandy is now more of a springboard than a crash landing spot.
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The bloom is off that rose.
Besides, why would you want him to leave? Saban might actually get a DC that could coach at that point.
I want Smart as Saban's successor. That would be a comedy of Dubosian proportions.
I had my heart set on the nitwit Dabo.
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Williams has proven he knows what he's doing. I liked having Franklin in the conference. Vandy is now more of a springboard than a crash landing spot.
My crash landing spot has always been Jumbo's anus.
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Williams has proven he knows what he's doing. I liked having Franklin in the conference. Vandy is now more of a springboard than a crash landing spot.
Very visual WT. I liked.
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My crash landing spot has always been Jumbo's anus.
It's like you envision it and...post it.
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Vandy will take a few steps back, and unless they hire someone like Franklin again (a coach that will cheat his ass off in recruiting), solid players will start looking at UT again. This was Vandy's time to take control of UT...but that's not going to happen now, UT will be back up while Vandy will slide back down.
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Maybe, maybe not. Sure, Vandy was left with a better record and better facilities. For that, he gets my thanks, and I do believe that will help in landing a worthwhile coach.
But there's something unsettling I've noticed about Franklin's tenure. I've noticed that our star players in the past couple of years (Jordan Matthews, Zac Stacy, and Jordan Rodgers) were Bobby Johnson's recruits. Carta-Samuels, Robinette, Seymour, and Kimbrow are solid players...but outshined by Stacy and Rodgers. And there's no WR that Franklin has recruited who outplays Matthews; Krause is the closest WR, but he was also recruited by Bobby Johnson.
Our recruiting classes were solid with Franklin. So why are Johnson's players the ones to excel? Franklin's recruiting classes were overrated, the coaching sucked, or the players are young and have yet to pan out.
I don't know what the issue is, but it's slightly concerning to me that the talent we've been recruiting under Franklin has yet to perform like the talent recruited by Johnson. If it's a coaching problem, then we have to bring in a guy who can coach AND recruit, and then maybe we'll be set to continue to improve. If it's a talent problem, then we're fucked for the next few years (and maybe more depending on the coach we get), especially considering that Franklin's departure could very well screw over our current recruiting class.
Definitely agree. Bobby Johnson laid the foundation for Franklin's success.
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Definitely agree. Bobby "Golly Gee" Johnson laid the foundation for Franklin's success.
fixt
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My crash landing spot has always been Jumbo's anus.
Mmmm I like it like that, Vandy werking that back I don't know how to act.
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One source saying Mack Brown is in consideration for the Vandy job.
Brown versus Lord Sabinz... could be amusing.
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One source saying Mack Brown is in consideration for the Vandy job.
Brown versus Lord Sabinz... could be amusing.
David Williams said that 25 people have voluntarily contacted Vandy about the position, and that 5 of those are people who turned us down when we were last looking for a coach.
I would be kind of surprised if Brown were interested though. I think the only reason that he's being mentioned is because he's from Tennessee and played at Vandy for a year.
Although he kind of shit the bed at Texas this past year, I think bigger schools would still want him. Not to mention that at his age, I don't think he's going to be in for the long haul of building a program.
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Sure it wasn't Watson Brown? (Since everything old is new again)
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Vandy might have to do something quick. James Franklin has a charter bus that he's filling up with current Vandy commits and bringing them, or trying to bring them, to Penn State. Vandy's 20 commits, at this time, less than a handful are considered solid verbal...the others are looking, some of them have a new PSU offer. Remember what that Coach Franklin stated when he got to Vanderbilt? Players without honor and integrity are the ones that've decomitted from his new Vanderbilt (Nevermind the fact that he'd gotten a couple players from other schools to decommit and commit to Vanderbilt).
Sounds to me like I was right about Coach James Franklin. He's a piece of shit, used car salesman, snake in the grass type coach. Vandy will be thanking their lucky stars that he left when he did, the NCAA will catch on to him, maybe while he's at PSU.
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Vandy might have to do something quick. James Franklin has a charter bus that he's filling up with current Vandy commits and bringing them, or trying to bring them, to Penn State. Vandy's 20 commits, at this time, less than a handful are considered solid verbal...the others are looking, some of them have a new PSU offer. Remember what that Coach Franklin stated when he got to Vanderbilt? Players without honor and integrity are the ones that've decomitted from his new Vanderbilt (Nevermind the fact that he'd gotten a couple players from other schools to decommit and commit to Vanderbilt).
Sounds to me like I was right about Coach James Franklin. He's a piece of shit, used car salesman, snake in the grass type coach. Vandy will be thanking their lucky stars that he left when he did, the NCAA will catch on to him, maybe while he's at PSU.
David Williams will make a move when it's appropriate, and only when he is sure that he is making the right hire. I'd much rather lose one recruiting class than hire the next Kiffin/Chizik/Weis/O'Leary as a head coach. And while I agree that Franklin's pursuit of Vandy's recruiting class is shitty, it's not against any rules unfortunately.
Nonetheless, I still fail to see why you've repeatedly surmised that Franklin was cheating, other than haughtily assuming that Vandy could never recruit a top 25 class without cheating. No previous investigations, no current investigations, no previous allegations made by any players or schools, no current allegations made by any players or schools, and a stand-up AD who's on the NCAA's infractions appeal committee...I just don't see it. If you can conclude he's guilty based off of absolutely nothing, then Cam Newton should probably be in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison right now.
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David Williams will make a move when it's appropriate, and only when he is sure that he is making the right hire. I'd much rather lose one recruiting class than hire the next Kiffin/Chizik/Weis/O'Leary as a head coach. And while I agree that Franklin's pursuit of Vandy's recruiting class is shitty, it's not against any rules unfortunately.
Nonetheless, I still fail to see why you've repeatedly surmised that Franklin was cheating, other than haughtily assuming that Vandy could never recruit a top 25 class without cheating. No previous investigations, no current investigations, no previous allegations made by any players or schools, no current allegations made by any players or schools, and a stand-up AD who's on the NCAA's infractions appeal committee...I just don't see it. If you can conclude he's guilty based off of absolutely nothing, then Cam Newton should probably be in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison right now.
Please leave Cam out of your sick fantasies.
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Coaches at this level need to have a PR person in their ear 24/7. Don't come into a job saying it's your "dream job", acting like this is where you've wanted to be all along.
"This is a great university and I'm appreciative of the opportunity".
That's it. End of story. Franklin has been getting skewered by the Nashville press and deservedly so after everything he's said about Vandy as the be-all, end-all coaching job.
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Please leave Cam out of your sick fantasies.
If he'd stop being so metrosexually borderline gay, I wouldn't have sick fantasies about him.
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O'Leary as a head coach.
??? as in George?
He and his BCS win are laughing at Vanderbilt right now. No offense but, let's not get crazy and forget you are still Vanderbilt.
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??? as in George?
He and his BCS win are laughing at Vanderbilt right now. No offense but, let's not get crazy and forget you are still Vanderbilt.
Mark. One got left.
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??? as in George?
He and his BCS win are laughing at Vanderbilt right now. No offense but, let's not get crazy and forget you are still Vanderbilt.
Yes, George O'Leary. It was moreso a reference to his 2001 hire at Notre Dame. You know, that time when he was pretty much immediately fired for lying about his educational and football experience?
And George O'Leary can laugh from the American Athletic Conference all he wants. Put him in pretty much any other conference (and especially the SEC), and he doesn't make any bowl, much less a BCS bowl. If you really think that he has room to laugh due to his 12-1 record in a cupcake conference, not to mention the fact that he has a shitty season with UCF almost every other year despite being in a cupcake conference, then you might have gone cray cray in your old age. A BCS bowl does not a good head coach make...
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Yes, George O'Leary. It was moreso a reference to his 2001 hire at Notre Dame. You know, that time when he was pretty much immediately fired for lying about his educational and football experience?
And George O'Leary can laugh from the American Athletic Conference all he wants. Put him in pretty much any other conference (and especially the SEC), and he doesn't make any bowl, much less a BCS bowl. If you really think that he has room to laugh due to his 12-1 record in a cupcake conference, not to mention the fact that he has a shitty season with UCF almost every other year despite being in a cupcake conference, then you might have gone cray cray in your old age. A BCS bowl does not a good head coach make...
That is all well and good. He has still taken a UCF team that was consistently bad and got them to a BCS game and won.
Remind be when Vandy made it to a BCS game?
At the end of the day the fact still remains that you are Vanderbilt. Vandy just had two 9 win seasons and back to back bowl wins, when has that ever happened in the history of the school. Hint...it hasn't. The man that just left has taken your team to 3 consecutive bowl games. In the history of Vandy football you have 6 TOTAL!!! That's 6 total bowl games.
I get that you are upset that Franklin left, I would be too. I just find it somewhat laughable you were dogging the man a few threads back. I wouldn't be so quick to thumb my nose at the likes of an O'leary. You better hope that David Williams is as good as you think.
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That is all well and good. He has still taken a UCF team that was consistently bad and got them to a BCS game and won.
Was consistently bad? They still are. Looking at previous seasons, this 12-1 season is an anomaly. They have a losing season, a couple of 8-4/5 winning seasons, another losing season, one winning season, a losing season, etc. O'Leary is not showing that he's a good coach who is consistently improving the team; he's just having sporadic success in a shitty conference. Connecticut also went to a BCS bowl once, but that doesn't make Edsall a high profile coach that should be considered for an SEC HC position.
Remind be when Vandy made it to a BCS game?
The SEC is a completely different animal from the AAC. Put Vandy in the AAC and UCF in the SEC. I honestly don't see how you could argue that O'Leary would have the same success, and thus deserves a position in the SEC.
I get that you are upset that Franklin left, I would be too. I just find it somewhat laughable you were dogging the man a few threads back. I wouldn't be so quick to thumb my nose at the likes of an O'leary. You better hope that David Williams is as good as you think.
I appreciate what Franklin has done, but at the same time, he lied. Call it coach speak or whatever term you want to in order to put it a spin on it, but he lied. Like Snags said, he spoke of Vandy and the challenge that came with Vandy as if it were a dream job for him. Then he drags us along for the better part of a week before leaving. There's nothing laughable about respecting what he did while he was here yet also recognizing that what he previously said was, in light of recent actions, a lie.
Maybe you've got some sort of weird fetish for O'Leary, but he's not a good coach in my opinion. Not horrible, but not good. There's a reason why he was once considered as being on the rise but then was relegated to UCF; no one's been scrambling to get him for years. I'm not under the illusion that Vandy is suddenly a powerhouse, but I do know that we deserve better and can get better than O'Leary, a coach that's had his own past issues with lying and an inability to build a consistent football program in the AAC.
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Despite all of the above, my primary reason for mentioning O'Leary was due to the fact that he is frequently referenced as one of the worst coaching hires ever due to his one week Notre Dame stint. That was the basic sentiment that I was trying to relay: We don't want a dud hire, and so David Williams is not going to rush himself into a bad decision. That is perfectly fine by me, regardless of what effect that has on this year's recruiting class.
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Remind be when Vandy made it to a BCS game?
Does this count?
BBVA CompasS Bowl
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Does this count?
BBVA CompasS Bowl
Because of the way that they had the logo painted onto the stadium seating, it looked like it was the "BBVA Compiss Bowl." Which would have been more accurate. I wish I had gotten a picture of that.
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Does this count?
BBVA CompasS Bowl
That's about as close as Vandy will get...unless they hire another HC who doesn't mind cheating, then they might be able to get back to the Bbva CompasS Bowl.
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The idea that anyone could believe a coach like Franklin when he called Vandy his "destination" job makes me question their capacity for reason.
There are 80+ D1 jobs better than Vandy. Better facilities, better support, better foundation, better profile.
Would never be able to compete consistently with UF, UGA, SC, Mizzou.
At Penn State he has a chance to revive a traditional power against pretty weak competition. Three years from now at Vandy and he's third or fourth in the East still. Three years from now at PSU and he could be fighting for a national championship.
No disrespect to Vandy but it's laughable for you to be upset that he "lied" when he said he wanted to be there forever.
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The idea that anyone could believe a coach like Franklin when he called Vandy his "destination" job makes me question their capacity for reason.
There are 80+ D1 jobs better than Vandy. Better facilities, better support, better foundation, better profile.
Would never be able to compete consistently with UF, UGA, SC, Mizzou.
At Penn State he has a chance to revive a traditional power against pretty weak competition. Three years from now at Vandy and he's third or fourth in the East still. Three years from now at PSU and he could be fighting for a national championship.
No disrespect to Vandy but it's laughable for you to be upset that he "lied" when he said he wanted to be there forever.
You're looking at Vandy for what it is, and not what it can be. They have the money to build the facilities, they've just never had an AD who was willing and able to get the money for athletics; now they do. No one's saying it's going to happen overnight, but your capacity for reasoning is a bit limited if you don't think that a football program can be built over time with financial support and the right personnel.
Other coaches have paid attention to the fact that you can recruit and win at Vandy. It's not impossible, and it's not impossible to do consistently. If that were the case, then coaches that turned us down three years ago would not be contacting us for an interview now.
It has to happen a step at a time, but it can happen. Upward mobility in college football is a possibility...just ask Oregon, Oklahoma State, California, Florida, Northwestern, etc. You don't need a record of historical success in order to have success in the future.
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Say what you want about their conference but UCF did beat Penn State, Louisville, Baylor, and lost to USC by 3. Those 4 teams went a combined 41-10 and were legit teams. Thats pretty good coaching for a program not that far removed from C-USA. Also add if the Big 12 commish had any sense at all he would have his ass down in Orlando and expand his conferences footprint to the state of Florida.
Great thing Vandy has going for it right now is Franklin proved you can be somewhat successful there. Hell if they could've beaten Ole Miss in the opener they would've been 3rd in the East and won 10 games this year. However can success be sustained? We'll see. No denying the next hire is huge for them though. Fuck it up and its back to fighting UK to stay out of the basement in the East. Hit a homerun again and maybe they can make a bit of a run like USC has had the past few seasons. With UT, UF, and UGA being in the current shape they are in, a combined 17-20 this season, the opportunity is there.
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Say what you want about their conference but UCF did beat Penn State, Louisville, Baylor, and lost to USC by 3. Those 4 teams went a combined 41-10 and were legit teams. Thats pretty good coaching for a program not that far removed from C-USA. Also add if the Big 12 commish had any sense at all he would have his ass down in Orlando and expand his conferences footprint to the state of Florida.
Again, I'm not saying O'Leary is a horrible coach, but he's just not SEC material. If UCF were consistently playing well against those teams and others, then I'd give him more credit. But in the 10 seasons he's been there, he's put up a .563 record, and his winning seasons are in between losing seasons. To state that he's turned UCF around is inaccurate in my opinion, as UCF had an overall winning percentage of .526 before O'Leary. Any improvements that have been seen during his tenure were followed by failure, then success, then failure...it's just not consistent enough to state that he's turned them around and that he could also turn around an SEC team like Vandy. If you can't create consistent success in the AAC, I don't see how you could do it in the SEC.
Great thing Vandy has going for it right now is Franklin proved you can be somewhat successful there. Hell if they could've beaten Ole Miss in the opener they would've been 3rd in the East and won 10 games this year. However can success be sustained? We'll see. No denying the next hire is huge for them though. Fuck it up and its back to fighting UK to stay out of the basement in the East. Hit a homerun again and maybe they can make a bit of a run like USC has had the past few seasons. With UT, UF, and UGA being in the current shape they are in, a combined 17-20 this season, the opportunity is there.
I know it won't be an easy road, and I'm not saying that it's inevitably going to happen, but yes, I think success can be maintained at Vanderbilt. It will take the right decisions, the right personnel, and money, but it can be done. It's not like we're a broke school in the middle of no where that recruits wouldn't even possibly consider. The groundwork is there for building a successful program, someone's just got to build it and stop assuming that it can't be done because "they're still Vandy."
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Longest Vanderbilt football thread....EVAH!!!
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Longest Vanderbilt football thread....EVAH!!!
See? We can maintain something, even if it's not success.
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See? We can maintain something, even if it's not success.
Vandy has some fine azz women. I got the punch to the arm from my wife when we went up there to watch AU play, but hell I couldn't help myself. Everywhere I looked there were fine ass (and smart) Vandy co-eds.
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If Vandy were in the PAC 10 or ACC I might give some credence to the "it can be built" theory.
Vandy isn't. There are three levels in the SEC. Auburn, UGA, UA, LSU and sometimes UT and UF make up one level. Then there is a second tier that consists of AR, SC, and now Mizzou and A&M. Those programs can occasionally challenge the top tier but only in the short term (season or two). And finally there is the bottom rung that contains MSU, Ole Miss, UK and Vandy. Completely delusional. Have a good season or two and start barking about challenging the true powers. But it will never happen.
This isn't new. It's been going on for over a hundred years. It's not going to change now.
Programs like Vandy and MSU may have a short run with a coach that gives them hope -- as Sherrill did for the Dogs -- but in the end they are what they always were and will be.
It's not going to change in your lifetime.
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However, as VV pointed out Nashville should be a lot easier to sell than Starkville.
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However, as VV pointed out Nashville should be a lot easier to sell than Starkville.
By that line of thinking Nashville should be easier to sell than Tuscsloosa or Athens or Columbia or ....
Irrelevant.
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Georgia Tech should be da' bomb.
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However, as VV pointed out Nashville should be a lot easier to sell than Starkville.
These kids are crazy about the Opry.
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Vandy might some money, but when you put facility upgrades into the HC's contract as part of his buyout...that tells me that the money isn't that much and that the money people don't really care about football and it shows on Saturdays.
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If Vandy were in the PAC 10 or ACC I might give some credence to the "it can be built" theory.
Vandy isn't. There are three levels in the SEC. Auburn, UGA, UA, LSU and sometimes UT and UF make up one level. Then there is a second tier that consists of AR, SC, and now Mizzou and A&M. Those programs can occasionally challenge the top tier but only in the short term (season or two). And finally there is the bottom rung that contains MSU, Ole Miss, UK and Vandy. Completely delusional. Have a good season or two and start barking about challenging the true powers. But it will never happen.
Funny that you should mention Florida as being one of those schools who make it into the top tier, considering that they don't have a historically strong football record as recent as pre-1990. Yet change occurred.
Again, I'm not saying that the change has already occurred for Vandy. I'm not saying it will be next year, the year after that, or the year after that. And I'm not saying that it's inevitable.
But to completely dismiss it as impossible is unreasonable. The money's there, so the facilities can be built and a good coach can be hired. Recruiting quality players has been shown to be possible even with the current facilities. Yes, improvement in a lot of areas will be required before success can consistently be maintained, but all of the requisite pieces for that improvement are already there. They just need to be utilized correctly, like Franklin showed they could be.
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Vandy might some money, but when you put facility upgrades into the HC's contract as part of his buyout...that tells me that the money isn't that much and that the money people don't really care about football and it shows on Saturdays.
One of our biggest donors met with Franklin and David Williams last week in an attempt to get him to stay. There are donors that care about building the football program for a variety of reasons, and the money to do so is there. The manner in which they constructed Franklin's contractual buyout has nothing to do with their available funds.
The biggest problem Vandy had in the past was not having administrators that cared about football. Chancellor Gee dismantled the athletic department, which resulted in academics and athletics being grouped together and effectively sharing the same budget, and no donors were being persuaded to invest in athletics. Less focus was on athletics, and so less happened.
Gee is gone, and David Williams has shown that he has a vested interest in this program. He has shown that he can get the school to take its money and put it toward the athletic program, whether that be in the form of the head coach's salary or new athletic facilities. The school is behind him and the football program, and that's something that was not previously seen at Vandy.
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Funny that you should mention Florida as being one of those schools who make it into the top tier, considering that they don't have a historically strong football record as recent as pre-1990. Yet change occurred.
Again, I'm not saying that the change has already occurred for Vandy. I'm not saying it will be next year, the year after that, or the year after that. And I'm not saying that it's inevitable.
But to completely dismiss it as impossible is unreasonable. The money's there, so the facilities can be built and a good coach can be hired. Recruiting quality players has been shown to be possible even with the current facilities. Yes, improvement in a lot of areas will be required before success can consistently be maintained, but all of the requisite pieces for that improvement are already there. They just need to be utilized correctly, like Franklin showed they could be.
Delusional defined.
It is impossible. History proves it. Long term -- more than a couple of years -- success isn't in the Vandy cards.
Out of curiosity, didn't the dores have trouble getting 50k to show up even when winning?
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Out of curiosity, didn't the dores have trouble getting 50k to show up even when winning?
Smart kids got to study and go create jobs for the rest of us.
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Delusional defined.
It is impossible. History proves it. Long term -- more than a couple of years -- success isn't in the Vandy cards.
Yes, you're absolutely correct. History proves it...Florida is still a shithole of a program that can't even make it into Kaos' top tier of SEC football scho-...oh, wait...
Again, you're focusing on what Vandy is currently, and not how they could improve. Based on your reasoning, Florida should have thrown in the towel three decades ago and gave up on ever being a truly competitive football program simply because they had decades of previous mediocrity.
Out of curiosity, didn't the dores have trouble getting 50k to show up even when winning?
Considering that their stadium has a capacity of 40,000, they'd have a problem getting 50,000 to show up even if they were playing like the 1972 Miami Dolphins.
Aside from that, fan attendance is going to be one of the bigger problems to tackle, I agree with that. Vandy doesn't have 30,000+ students on campus to fill the stadium, and due to being one of the best academic schools in the country, its alumni base winds up getting spread across the nation (not to mention that a high percentage of alumni came from outside of Tennessee to begin with).
However, fan attendance will improve to some degree as the football program continues to improve and facilities improve. Due to its shitty football history, Vandy has very few fans who didn't attend the school. I grew up in Tennessee and I still frequently visit family in Tennessee, and I can tell you that this has been changing in the past couple of years. This isn't to say that attendance will magically fix itself, but as long as steps are being taken to improve it, then improvement is never out of the question.
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Florida is a poor example. They were mediocre, yes. But had a history of being competitive. Spurrier and Heisman?
Vandy has never been anything but a punching bag. Has as much a chance of becoming a legit SEC challenger in the long term as Jenna Jameson winning three consecutive Best Actress Oscars.
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Florida is a poor example. They were mediocre, yes. But had a history of being competitive. Spurrier and Heisman?
Vandy has never been anything but a punching bag. Has as much a chance of becoming a legit SEC challenger in the long term as Jenna Jameson winning three consecutive Best Actress Oscars.
Agree.
Consistent 1-5 win seasons at vandy. Florida's "mediocrity" consisted of 5-9 win seasons. Huge difference. Plus they are Florida. And have never been known as a doormat like Vandy. Mediocre at times, yes. But not a bottom dweller.
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Ta
Jenna Jameson winning three consecutive Best Actress Oscars.
And the Oscar goes to...Jenna Jamison for "Not Without My Meat." This is Jenna's third award. She won previously for "Ace In My Hole" and "Hang My Legs High"
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Vandy has never been anything but a punching bag. Has as much a chance of becoming a legit SEC challenger in the long term as Jenna Jameson winning three consecutive Best Actress Oscars.
Whatever man.
You obviously don't remember the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's.
Shit. Just realized they have never won the conference in it's 81 year existence.
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Florida is a poor example. They were mediocre, yes. But had a history of being competitive. Spurrier and Heisman?
Like I said, Florida pre-1990. Clearly the program had a turning around point, which is the entire topic of this discussion. Changing the course of a program is not impossible. Saying that it's impossible for Vandy because "they're still Vandy" means that Florida should have never improved because "they're still Florida."
Consistent 1-5 win seasons at vandy. Florida's "mediocrity" consisted of 5-9 win seasons. Huge difference. Plus they are Florida. And have never been known as a doormat like Vandy. Mediocre at times, yes. But not a bottom dweller.
Florida did not consistently reach 5 wins prior to 1990. Yes, many of their seasons did reach 5 or more wins, but they also had 4, 3, and 0 win seasons as well. There was not much consistency, and they were certainly not a "top tier" program like they're being referred to now.
Additionally, the point here is not to determine who has a shittier history. The point is that football programs can be changed so as to improve over time. To deny this, yet claim that Florida is a now "top tier" program, is contradictory.
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Vandy is 2-0 against Auburn.
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Considering that their stadium has a capacity of 40,000, they'd have a problem getting 50,000 to show up even if they were playing like the 1972 Miami Dolphins.
One relatively easy solution to this would be to target the potential ticket holders that are really skinny and sit two to a seat.
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Like I said, Florida pre-1990. Clearly the program had a turning around point, which is the entire topic of this discussion. Changing the course of a program is not impossible. Saying that it's impossible for Vandy because "they're still Vandy" means that Florida should have never improved because "they're still Florida."
Florida did not consistently reach 5 wins prior to 1990. Yes, many of their seasons did reach 5 or more wins, but they also had 4, 3, and 0 win seasons as well. There was not much consistency, and they were certainly not a "top tier" program like they're being referred to now.
Additionally, the point here is not to determine who has a shoottier history. The point is that football programs can be changed so as to improve over time. To deny this, yet claim that Florida is a now "top tier" program, is contradictory.
Spurrier looks really old to have won the heisman in 1990. I figured him for much older than 40.
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One relatively easy solution to this would be to target the potential ticket holders that are really skinny and sit two to a seat.
Thinking outside the box. A real go-getter.
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Vandy is 2-0 against Auburn.
Shut your dirty whore mouth.
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Similar situation at Duke. Big ole brains up there so the academic thing gets in the way of recruiting. Small stadium that unless they've upgraded in recent years, is the biggest dump I've ever set foot in. Then, so is Cameron Indoor, but that seems to work in their favor for some reason.
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Shut your dirty whore mouth.
You must know that with an avatar like that, no one reads what you post.
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Florida is a poor example. They were mediocre, yes. But had a history of being competitive. Spurrier and Heisman?
Vandy has never been anything but a punching bag. Has as much a chance of becoming a legit SEC challenger in the long term as Jenna Jameson winning three consecutive Best Actress Oscars.
Whatever Kaos...Vanderbilt is going to become the standard of excellence and winning all while the student athletes hold a 3.5 GPA or higher (even the inner city kids). Stanford will be known as the Vanderbilt of the Pac-12.
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I do love seeing Game Day at Vandy. The signs they make are like watching The Big Bang Theory.
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You must know that with an avatar like that, no one reads what you post.
I'm not gonna lie, you cut me deep just then.
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Spurrier looks really old to have won the heisman in 1990. I figured him for much older than 40.
I'm talking about when he coached there, which was essentially when Florida turned the corner to becoming a better team. Chicago has a Heisman winner too, but that didn't turn them into a powerhouse.
During Spurrier's time as a player at Florida, they had 6, 7, and 9 game winning seasons, but then within a couple of years went back to several 4 and 5 win seasons, and even a winless season. Spurrier as a Heisman QB was not the turning point for Florida becoming a consistent and "top tier" program.
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How many Heisman winners does Vanderbilt have?
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I'm not gonna lie, you cut me deep just then.
Definitely one of your hotter selections. Sweet Haysuess!!!
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Thinking outside the box. A real go-getter.
A straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
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Not that I don't think VV is a bit delusional about Vandy's status as a program, but I don't think it's as desolate as everyone is saying.
They're still in the SEC. There was a time not very long ago that everyone said that about Stanford. I don't see any reason we can't have a Stanford-level football team with similar admissions standards in the SEC. I'm not saying it's a chip-shot by any means, but I think Franklin laid some groundwork. I think if they don't fuck up (which based on who they're currently interviewing - Schottenheimer etc. it appears that they will), but IF they get a guy in there that can build on the groundwork that Franklin laid down, they can be successful.
Like I said though, all signs are pointing to them fucking this up.
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They're still in the SEC. There was a time not very long ago that everyone said that about Stanford.
I do not remember a single time hearing anyone saying that Stanford is still in the SEC. Who said this and when? Or, are you lying again? Are you?
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How many Heisman winners does Vanderbilt have?
Not only did you misstate my stance in a hyperbolic fashion in your previous post, but you've completely missed the topic of discussion with this comment.
Football programs can improve. That's my entire point. No one is saying that Vanderbilt has become the mightiest program in the nation and that they're going to win the national championship next year. No one is even saying that they are going to be consistently successful from here on out.
What I am saying is that they improved under Franklin, and given the right hire and continued support from the university, they can continue to improve. Pointing to past failures or lack of awards in the past does not disprove what can happen in the future. As I've already mentioned, if the fact that a football program has historically had little success absolutely prevents it from ever garnering future success, then Oregon, Florida, Stanford, etc. are all still shitty teams with no hopes of ever being consistently successful.
You might as well build a flux capacitor, buy a DeLorean, and drive back to 1970 to tell Shug that his team will never amount to anything because he has no Heisman winners.
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Not that I don't think VV is a bit delusional about Vandy's status as a program, but I don't think it's as desolate as everyone is saying.
I'm not sure how stating that Vandy can improve is being delusional about their current status. Saying that we can improve implies that we have room for improvement.
We're better than we were, but we're nowhere near elite; I know that. My only point is that we have shown improvement due to the school's recent decision to give more support and funding to athletics, and that this improvement can continue. Pointing to our past and saying, "BUT LOOK! They're Vandy...they can't improve" is silly. The past does not dictate the future, especially when you're making changes in the present.
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Not only did you misstate my stance in a hyperbolic fashion in your previous post, but you've completely missed the topic of discussion with this comment.
Football programs can improve. That's my entire point. No one is saying that Vanderbilt has become the mightiest program in the nation and that they're going to win the national championship next year. No one is even saying that they are going to be consistently successful from here on out.
What I am saying is that they improved under Franklin, and given the right hire and continued support from the university, they can continue to improve. Pointing to past failures or lack of awards in the past does not disprove what can happen in the future. As I've already mentioned, if the fact that a football program has historically had little success absolutely prevents it from ever garnering future success, then Oregon, Florida, Stanford, etc. are all still shitty teams with no hopes of ever being consistently successful.
You might as well build a flux capacitor, buy a DeLorean, and drive back to 1970 to tell Shug that his team will never amount to anything because he has no Heisman winners.
So, none?
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I'm talking about when he coached there, which was essentially when Florida turned the corner to becoming a better team. Chicago has a Heisman winner too, but that didn't turn them into a powerhouse.
During Spurrier's time as a player at Florida, they had 6, 7, and 9 game winning seasons, but then within a couple of years went back to several 4 and 5 win seasons, and even a winless season. Spurrier as a Heisman QB was not the turning point for Florida becoming a consistent and "top tier" program.
Most of those teams in that era played 10 and 11 game schedules. 9 wins ain't no joke. I see more 6-9 win seasons in their history than 0-3 win seasons. And I know vandy has lots of those.
Point is, fla had a lot less further to crawl to get to the top than vandy has had. Plus fla has a lot more going for it overall. It was a gold mine that just needed the right person in charge. I think it's a bad comparison.
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Most of those teams in that era played 10 and 11 game schedules. 9 wins ain't no joke. I see more 6-9 win seasons in their history than 0-3 win seasons. And I know vandy has lots of those.
Point is, fla had a lot less further to crawl to get to the top than vandy has had. Plus fla has a lot more going for it overall. It was a gold mine that just needed the right person in charge. I think it's a bad comparison.
Point is, Florida was not a consistent, top tier team. You may see more 6-9 win seasons, but there are a variety of 0-5 win seasons thrown in there, too. 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959, 1961, 1971, 1972, 1978, 1979. Compare that to post-1990 Florida who has not had less than a 7 win season, and has only had two of those.
And again, I think y'all are misconstruing what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Vandy can get to the same level as Florida in the same amount of time; I understand Florida had a better record even in their "shitty" years. But what I am saying is that teams can have a turnaround. Just because you have a less than stellar historical record doesn't mean that you will always maintain a less than stellar record. Change can, and does, happen. If it didn't, then Florida would still be having multiple 3-6 win seasons every few years, Oregon would still be winning only 2 games a season every few years, etc.
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I do not remember a single time hearing anyone saying that Stanford is still in the SEC. Who said this and when? Or, are you lying again? Are you?
Don't think this went unnoticed. ***snickers***
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I'm not gonna lie, you cut me deep just then.
I'm sorry, did you say something? I was distracted.
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Don't think this went unnoticed. ***snickers***
Thanks man. I hussle but I don't do it for the glory. I'm a team player. But it is nice to be recognized every now and then. That's why I try to Like someone every now and then, even if their post sucks cock.
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The idea that anyone could believe a coach like Franklin when he called Vandy his "destination" job makes me question their capacity for reason.
There are 80+ D1 jobs better than Vandy. Better facilities, better support, better foundation, better profile.
Would never be able to compete consistently with UF, UGA, SC, Mizzou.
At Penn State he has a chance to revive a traditional power against pretty weak competition. Three years from now at Vandy and he's third or fourth in the East still. Three years from now at PSU and he could be fighting for a national championship.
No disrespect to Vandy but it's laughable for you to be upset that he "lied" when he said he wanted to be there forever.
This. You are my boy... hobbit, but this ^^^.
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This. You are my boy... hobbit, but this ^^^.
No more reach arounds for you.
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No more reach arounds for you.
Your words are hurtful.
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The fact that this thread has gone on for 6 pages makes my eyes bleed.
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The fact that this thread has gone on for 6 pages makes my eyes bleed.
Are you sure it's your eyes?
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Are you sure it's your eyes?
I think she is too old for that to happen anymore.
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I think she is too old for that to happen anymore.
I wish.
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I thought the lack of a comma in the thread title appropriately and succinctly summarized the entire thread
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The fact that this thread has gone on for 6 pages makes my eyes bleed.
Vandy = Florida
Lock the thread down.
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I know that I have no authority around here, but I am about to end this argument.
Vandy Football = Auburn Basketball
Win enough every now and then to get to the postseason. Put some guys in the pros every now and then. Get some nice new digs. Get close on some games when they should get blown out. Pull an upset from time to time.
Most of the time, disappoint and break your heart.
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Vandy Football = Auburn Basketball
This right here.
The FNG is making points. Unlike our basketball team.
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I know that I have no authority around here, but I am about to end this argument.
Vandy Football = Auburn Basketball
Win enough every now and then to get to the postseason. Put some guys in the pros every now and then. Get some nice new digs. Get close on some games when they should get blown out. Pull an upset from time to time.
Most of the time, disappoint and break your heart.
There is a lot of reality in this here. It hurts.
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I know that I have no authority around here, but I am about to end this argument.
Vandy Football = Auburn Basketball
Win enough every now and then to get to the postseason. Put some guys in the pros every now and then. Get some nice new digs. Get close on some games when they should get blown out. Pull an upset from time to time.
Most of the time, disappoint and break your heart.
Actually, the Vandy football team has been winning more games per season than the Auburn basketball team over the last 3-5 years.
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This right here.
The FNG is making points. Unlike our basketball team.
I think it is pronounced Funugy and he still hasn't told us what he does for the DoD. Chizad is innocent!
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I think it is pronounced Funugy and he still hasn't told us what he does for the DoD. Chizad is innocent!
Wait. Ed Snowden?
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I think it is pronounced Funugy and he still hasn't told us what he does for the DoD. Chizad is innocent!
I know why he's wanted.
The boy got his own money.
(http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/john-amos.jpg?w=560)
And when I say he got his own money I mean he got his own money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchad)
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Dottie...sick him.
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I know why he's wanted.
The boy got his own money.
And when I say he got his own money I mean he got his own money.
Motto:
"Unité, Travail, Progrès" (French)
"Unity, Work, Progress"
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Motto:
"Unité, Travail, Progrès" (French)
"Unity, Work, Progress"
What did the five fingers say to the face?
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2012/10/Rick-James-unity.jpg)
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Stoked.
http://fansided.com/2014/01/17/vanderbilt-set-hire-derek-mason-head-coach-per-reports/ (http://fansided.com/2014/01/17/vanderbilt-set-hire-derek-mason-head-coach-per-reports/)
Vanderbilt is reportedly going to hire Stanford defensive coordinator Derek Mason as their head coach. Mason has been linked to the Commodores by Football Scoop from the moment it was clear that James Franklin would be taking the Penn State job.
Mason knows how to recruit and coach at a school with high academic standards as he has been dealing with that in Palo Alto coaching the Cardinal under David Shaw. Vanderbilt has similar academic standards and is the lone SEC school that has a football program that can be held back because of them.
Mason is also notable because he is another African American getting a head coaching job in college football. Charlie Strong was hired at Texas and although the percentages are still low, African American head coaches are becoming less and less of a headline with time. While the issue should not be ignored, the hiring of minority head coaches is becoming less of a surprise, which is a move in a positive direction. With coaches like Shaw and Kevin Sumlin running excellent programs along with Strong getting one of the most highly recognized jobs in the country at Texas and Franklin going to Penn State, the landscape is much more welcoming to minority coaches that have been going to the NFL as quickly as possible in the past.
The Commodores are coming off of a 9-4 season with a win in the BBVA Compass Bowl, so the hope for Mason is that he can take that bounce in the fortunes of the Vanderbilt program and keep it going. With Tennessee still trying to reclaim its position in the SEC, the ground may be fertile for some sustained success in Vanderbilt.
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Stoked.
http://fansided.com/2014/01/17/vanderbilt-set-hire-derek-mason-head-coach-per-reports/ (http://fansided.com/2014/01/17/vanderbilt-set-hire-derek-mason-head-coach-per-reports/)
Not even going to bring in a token white guy for an interview?
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Not even going to bring in a token white guy for an interview?
The bizarro-Rooney Rule?
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Not even going to bring in a token white guy for an interview?
"Kill Whitey" is replacing "Anchor Down."
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Pfffttt
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Coach Franklin: "Vandy is a dream job."
PSU: "Coach we want you to become the new HC here."
Coach Franklin: "I'll be there as soon as possible, I'm going to bring all the players that've committed to Vanderbilt, as I can."
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Vandy might have to do something quick. James Franklin has a charter bus that he's filling up with current Vandy commits and bringing them, or trying to bring them, to Penn State. Vandy's 20 commits, at this time, less than a handful are considered solid verbal...the others are looking, some of them have a new PSU offer. Remember what that Coach Franklin stated when he got to Vanderbilt? Players without honor and integrity are the ones that've decomitted from his new Vanderbilt (Nevermind the fact that he'd gotten a couple players from other schools to decommit and commit to Vanderbilt).
Sounds to me like I was right about Coach James Franklin. He's a piece of shit, used car salesman, snake in the grass type coach. Vandy will be thanking their lucky stars that he left when he did, the NCAA will catch on to him, maybe while he's at PSU.
Yes I'm quoting myself...Vandy's commitments have dwindled from 20 to 9, at this time.
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Yes I'm quoting myself...Vandy's commitments have dwindled from 20 to 9, at this time.
Damn! That's going to leave a mark. Has Vandy hired anyone yet?
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Damn! That's going to leave a mark. Has Vandy hired anyone yet?
Derek Mason. All of the assistant coaches have been in place for a few days now as well. They're on the recruiting trail, and they're doing fine given the short amount of time they've had to repair the class.
They were down from 20 verbal commits to 3 immediately after Franklin left. They're up to 9 currently, as well as having a variety of kids who were previously interested in other schools but are now looking at Vandy due to the Mason hire.
If I recall correctly, we have around 20 freshmen who were redshirted last year and haven't played, and there are no reports that any of them want to leave. The recruiting class is growing. We'll be fine in the long run, if not also for this upcoming year. And as I've said before, I'd much rather take the time to hire the right coach and risk losing one recruiting class than rush yourself into making a bad hire just to try to save one recruiting class.
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Derek Mason. All of the assistant coaches have been in place for a few days now as well. They're on the recruiting trail, and they're doing fine given the short amount of time they've had to repair the class.
They were down from 20 verbal commits to 3 immediately after Franklin left. They're up to 9 currently, as well as having a variety of kids who were previously interested in other schools but are now looking at Vandy due to the Mason hire.
If I recall correctly, we have around 20 freshmen who were redshirted last year and haven't played, and there are no reports that any of them want to leave. The recruiting class is growing. We'll be fine in the long run, if not also for this upcoming year. And as I've said before, I'd much rather take the time to hire the right coach and risk losing one recruiting class than rush yourself into making a bad hire just to try to save one recruiting class.
The espn ticker thingee across the bottom was saying today that Vandy lost some 4 star player to Wake Forest. As in decommitted from Vandy and committed to Wake. Damn.
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The espn ticker thingee across the bottom was saying today that Vandy lost some 4 star player to Wake Forest. As in decommitted from Vandy and committed to Wake. Damn.
Hmmm...Vandy didn't want him anyway.