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Title: August 28, 1963
Post by: Token on August 28, 2013, 04:02:54 PM
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin

Why is that the only part of the speech anyone ever remembers or recites?  I know there were comments about the Red hills of Georgia, the injustice of Mississippi, and the vicious racism in Alabama. But this is what everyone identifies with. It's a great concept, to not be judged by the color of one's skin, but how about finishing the sentence? 

Martin Luther, the man himself, suggested that I should judge a man not by his skin, but by the content of his character. I agree 100%. In the Trayvon Martin case, people insisted racism, and refused to acknowledge the content of his character. In fact, just bringing up character was racist according to a lot.

In the recent NOLA case, racism is pushed, but we are supposed to ignore the content of the juvenile's character. Judging his character tells me that he's been a thief in the past, and a reasonable person could assume that he was about to strengthen that character flaw when he jumped the fence. 

Furthermore, there are a lot of Americans that scream racism, but do not actually know the true meaning of racism. It pisses me off, and I hope that we will one day get to a point in society where a large percentage of the public has a better sense of self awareness. If you can't get a job because you have been to prison for felony crimes, it's not the color of your skin that is hurting you. If you are asked to leave a private business because you are being rude and have pissed off the management, its not because of the color of your skin that you were asked to leave.  If you try to steal someone's belongings and are seriously injured or killed by the owner, its not the color of your skin that led to your death.

It isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 28, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
It isn't a hard concept to grasp.

it is when you've been told otherwise your whole life, when you've been told that all your problems are someone else's fault, that if not for the color of your skin, you could be somebody but since you are red/yellow/black/brown, you have an excuse for failure.

Those who embrace this excuse know nothing else.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Why is that the only part of the speech anyone ever remembers or recites?  I know there were comments about the Red hills of Georgia, the injustice of Mississippi, and the vicious racism in Alabama. But this is what everyone identifies with. It's a great concept, to not be judged by the color of one's skin, but how about finishing the sentence? 

Martin Luther, the man himself, suggested that I should judge a man not by his skin, but by the content of his character. I agree 100%. In the Trayvon Martin case, people insisted racism, and refused to acknowledge the content of his character. In fact, just bringing up character was racist according to a lot.

In the recent NOLA case, racism is pushed, but we are supposed to ignore the content of the juvenile's character. Judging his character tells me that he's been a thief in the past, and a reasonable person could assume that he was about to strengthen that character flaw when he jumped the fence. 

Furthermore, there are a lot of Americans that scream racism, but do not actually know the true meaning of racism. It pisses me off, and I hope that we will one day get to a point in society where a large percentage of the public has a better sense of self awareness. If you can't get a job because you have been to prison for felony crimes, it's not the color of your skin that is hurting you. If you are asked to leave a private business because you are being rude and have pissed off the management, its not because of the color of your skin that you were asked to leave.  If you try to steal someone's belongings and are seriously injured or killed by the owner, its not the color of your skin that led to your death.

It isn't a hard concept to grasp.

^ Honky
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 28, 2013, 04:10:39 PM
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Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: WiregrassTiger on August 28, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
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Why bring Bill Cosby into this?
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 04:30:43 PM
We're actually struggling with ethnocentrism. 

True racism is mostly a thing of the past.  Very few people actually believe blacks are inferior due to genetics.  However, their culture and socioeconomic influence is what many people don't understand and don't want to accept. 

For the record, I don't believe ethnocentrism is a bad thing.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: AUChizad on August 28, 2013, 04:36:43 PM
it is when you've been told otherwise your whole life, when you've been told that all your problems are someone else's fault, that if not for the color of your skin, you could be somebody but since you are red/yellow/black/brown, you have an excuse for failure.

Those who embrace this excuse know nothing else.
Reminds me of something Adam Carolla always says.

Paraphrasing:

Cops are dicks. When I get pulled over for doing 56 in a 55, and some prick with a buzz cut demands "Ok, right now what I'm gonna need for you to do for me right now is to step out of the car right now and put your hands where I can see them right now" and then administers a DUI test when I'm totally sober, I can just know that cops are dicks and I'm annoyed and pissed at the guy, but when it's over, I move on. But if the same thing happens to a black guy, they've been indoctrinated their whole life to be victims, and every thing negative that ever happens to them in their life is 100% always because of their race. So to them, that cop's a racist, even though he treated me exactly the same way. He's just a dick.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 28, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
In 2013 the racism river only flows one way.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 04:47:26 PM
We're actually struggling with ethnocentrism. 

True racism is mostly a thing of the past.  Very few people actually believe blacks are inferior due to genetics. However, their culture and socioeconomic influence is what many people don't understand and don't want to accept. 

For the record, I don't believe ethnocentrism is a bad thing.

Define inferior. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 05:50:13 PM
Define inferior.

in·fe·ri·or  [in-feer-ee-er] 
adjective
1.lower in station, rank, degree, or grade (often followed by to  ): a rank inferior to colonel.
2.lower in place or position; closer to the bottom or base: descending into the inferior regions of the earth.
3.of comparatively low grade; poor in quality; substandard: an inferior product.
4.less important, valuable, or worthy: B+ bonds are inferior to AAA bonds.
5.acting or performing in a way that is comparatively poor or mediocre: an inferior observer of human nature.

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Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
There are genetic differences.

Different ethnic groups are (as a whole) better at things than other ethnic groups. 

Just a fact.

All the "we are one" hand-holding can't change that. 

Inferior in some ways, yep. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 05:57:35 PM
Inferior in some ways, yep.

Proof?
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: AUChizad on August 28, 2013, 05:59:44 PM
Proof?
Beat me to it.

Love to see the scientific journal that published this groundbreaking information...
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 28, 2013, 06:01:04 PM
Beat me to it.

Love to see the scientific journal that published this groundbreaking information...

Didn't Jimmy the Greek have an opinion on this once?
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 06:01:32 PM
Proof?

Mayor Sam Jones
Demographic representation of any NBA/NFL team
Demographic representation of any MLB team
Miley Cyrus
List of current math/physics geniuses

etc.

We are NOT all the same.  We're not meant to all be the same or have the same abilities, strengths and weaknesses. 

Pretending we are all the same is folly.  It's asinine. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 28, 2013, 06:01:54 PM
I'll just leave this here...

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Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., the only black person serving in the United States Senate, wasn’t invited to the event commemorating the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s march on Washington, though a host of Democratic luminaries spoke on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
 
“Senator Scott was not invited to speak at the event,” Greg Blair, a spokesman for the South Carolina lawmaker, said in a statement to the Washington Examiner. “The senator believes today is a day to remember the extraordinary accomplishments and sacrifices of Dr. King, Congressman John Lewis, and an entire generation of black leaders. Today’s anniversary should simply serve as an opportunity to reflect upon how their actions moved our country forward in a remarkable way.”
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
Mayor Sam Jones
Demographic representation of any NBA/NFL team
Demographic representation of any MLB team
Miley Cyrus
List of current math/physics geniuses

etc.

We are NOT all the same.  We're not meant to all be the same or have the same abilities, strengths and weaknesses. 

Pretending we are all the same is folly.  It's asinine.

Not discussing the sameness.  Discussing the notion that blacks are inferior.  Proof?
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 06:11:15 PM
Not discussing the sameness.  Discussing the notion that blacks are inferior.  Proof?

There are things they are not as good at as other races.

Thus inferior in that respect. 

If we were smart we'd acknowledge this and combine our energies letting people do that at which the excel.  But no, the very foundation of American education is built on the false promise that we all can have equal outcomes.  Not possible.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
There are things they are not as good at as other races.

Thus inferior in that respect. 

If we were smart we'd acknowledge this and combine our energies letting people do that at which the excel.  But no, the very foundation of American education is built on the false promise that we all can have equal outcomes.  Not possible.

Such as what? 

What's one thing that no black person has not been able to achieve that whites have achieved?
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
Such as what? 

What's one thing that no black person has not been able to achieve that whites have achieved?

Inventing cars. Inventing electricity.

Seriously.  Look at the continents.  Look at the resources. Look at the results.  Then make excuses. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 06:22:26 PM
Inventing cars. Inventing electricity.

Seriously.  Look at the continents.  Look at the resources. Look at the results.  Then make excuses.

Come on, man.  You can't invent electricity. 

As for the invention of the car, only one race could have laid claim to that one.  It's more of a race as in NASCAR race than anything to do with race as in skin color. 

If I look at the continents and the resources, then I would ascertain that Arabic people are slow to progress and quick to irrational behavior.  Therefore I should assume that their race is inferior? 

But I can't do that because when you analyze history, you see that Arabians were far more advanced in the past up until Islam and religion set them back. 

You'd better at saying that black people are inferior when it comes to inventions.  Yet, there are plenty of blacks who have invented products that have improved society. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: CCTAU on August 28, 2013, 06:52:42 PM
  Yet, there are plenty of blacks who have invented products that have improved society.

The peanut is killing whitey one at a time. Its a conspiracy I tell ya!
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 28, 2013, 07:32:35 PM
The peanut is killing whitey one at a time. Its a conspiracy I tell ya!

I laughed.

But seriously the one kid that had a peanut allergy reaction in my 6 years of teaching was a black kid.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Kaos on August 28, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
I don't want to get all bogged down in this because what I think won't ever be popular, understood, appreciated, whatever. 

I look at big picture history.  You had five major continents all populated at relatively the same time.  Certain continents developed, matured, grew, innovated, improved, learned...

Others, with equal or greater resources, did not.  There has to be a reason why. 

I know, I know.  Whitey's fault. 

But the fact is that people -- and yes, groups of people -- are NOT equal.  We can't legislate, march to require, demand, rig or connive means to make it so. 

I think I'm probably more an elitist than I am a racist. 



I have respect for the rights of all people.  I believe that everybody should have an equal opportunity. But from my years of business ownership and my experience in the education industry equal outcome is an impossible standard. 

And I really don't want to say any more. 
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: CCTAU on August 28, 2013, 09:35:27 PM
It's an unpopular stance!

We grew up closer to the time when everybody did not pass, did not get a trophy, and was not a victim. We are a jaded lot!
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Vandy Vol on August 28, 2013, 11:38:31 PM
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Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Saniflush on August 29, 2013, 07:13:18 AM
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Crime is in their blood.

He killed Pluto.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 29, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
Ain't everybody supposed to be the same size, we're supposed to be all different. Big, small, medium, midgets, you're supposed to have all that. Everyone wants to be the same size now, like that Oprah Winfrey; she went and lost her weight, when nothin' was wrong with her, she was fine! Oprah was a fox! She lost all that weight, head lookin' all big, skin hangin' all over. And Luther Vandross. Nigga used to be the black Pavarotti. Lost all that weight, lookin' all ashy. Oprah and Luther need to keep their asses one way, 'cause I'm confused.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 29, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
That was not a celebration of the mans life and accomplishments. It was a Democratic convention.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: AUChizad on August 29, 2013, 10:11:45 AM
That was not a celebration of the mans life and accomplishments. It was a Democratic convention.
John Boehner, Eric Cantor, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush.

All declined invitations to attend.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 29, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
John Boehner, Eric Cantor, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush.

All declined invitations to attend.

Don't blame them. Had they gotten on stage they would have been booed.
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 29, 2013, 10:31:45 AM
John Boehner, Eric Cantor, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush.

All declined invitations to attend.

GHW Bush is wheelchair bound and in poor health. 

GWB is recovering from surgery. 

Boehner was in Wyoming. "Aides noted that he led an official congressional commemoration of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech on July 31 at the U.S. Capitol that other top congressional leaders attended."

Cantor got his invitation 12 days ago, and already had scheduled appearances in N Dakota and Ohio.  "Cantor led a congressional delegation to Selma, Ala., in March to observe the 50th anniversary of the “Bloody Sunday” march at the invitation of Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), the only surviving speaker from the 1963 March on Washington."
Title: Re: August 28, 1963
Post by: WiregrassTiger on August 29, 2013, 12:45:25 PM
Crime is in their blood.

He killed Pluto.
He certainly looks happy, for a guy doomed to hell.