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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on May 02, 2013, 10:19:53 AM
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I have a theory that Auburn's all-timers are better than every other SEC team's all-timers.
To prove this, I'm going to need a little help starting with Auburn's best players of all time.
Only use players that dominated during college. NFL ability can only be considered during tie-breakers, and NFL ability can only be considered if a player was drafted high based on college performance. So for example, if we were using Michigan, they could not use Tom Brady as their best quarterback. Further, Jim Harbaugh would be considered the better choice than Tom Brady for Michigan's all-time quarterback because Harbaugh dominated during college and was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft based on his college performance.
What am I missing with Auburn? Who do I have wrong? Especially with older guys whom I did not have the pleasure of watching.
QB - Cam Newton
RB - Bo Jackson
RB - Carnell Williams
FB - Heath Evans or Fred Beasley
WR - Terry Beasley
WR - Courtney Taylor
WR - Frank Sanders
TE - Walter Reeves (?)
LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Ben Grubbs
C - ?????
RG - Zeke Smith
RT - Lee Ziemba
DE - Quentin Groves
DT - Nick Fairley
DT - Tracy Rocker
DE - Gerald Robinson
LB - Aundray Bruce
LB - Takeo Spikes
LB - Karlos Dansby
CB - Carlos Rogers
CB - Corey Barlow
SS - Junior Rosegreen
FS - Brian Robinson
K - Wes Byrum
P - Lewis Colbert
Returner - James Brooks
Punt Returner - Alexander Wright
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Off the top of my head I would say Lewis Colbert for Punter
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Alexander Wright at Punt Returner
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Any ideas for center?
Jackie Burkett? I'd rather go modern.
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Also, Tyron Goodson for Courtney Taylor?
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James Brooks at returner.
Two backs that probably would have a chance to replace Carnell Williams are Joe Cribbs and Brent Fullwood. Joe Cribbs rushed for over 1,000 yards in his junior and senior seasons (30 TD's combined) but shared the backfield with James Brooks and William Andrews. Not enough carries to go around. Brent Fullwood played in Bo's shadow most of his time at Auburn but was an All American the year he got to tote the rock by himself.
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James Brooks at returner.
Two backs that probably would have a chance to replace Carnell Williams are Joe Cribbs and Brent Fullwood. Joe Cribbs rushed for over 1,000 yards in his junior and senior seasons (30 TD's combined) but shared the backfield with James Brooks and William Andrews. Not enough carries to go around. Brent Fullwood played in Bo's shadow most of his time at Auburn but was an All American the year he got to tote the rock by himself.
I thought about that, but Carnell Williams was able to be the guy when one of Auburn's other best running backs was also in the backfield.
I think they're interchangeable though.
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Any ideas for center?
Jackie Burkett? I'd rather go modern.
Ben Tamburello
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I'll argue William Andrews needs a shot, although he mostly blocked while at AU. And Tommy Powell def belongs on here.
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I thought about that, but Carnell Williams was able to be the guy when one of Auburn's other best running backs was also in the backfield.
I think they're interchangeable though.
Agreed. I think you have to put Carnell in the top 2 or 3. Just saying if those guys didn't have to share the carries, they might have set some big time records.
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or that Ronnie Brown guy.
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You aren't going far enough back.
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I'll argue William Andrews needs a shot, although he mostly blocked while at AU. And Tommy Powell def belongs on here.
Andrews was bad ass but had the Brandon Jacobs syndrome. He wasn't going to get the carries over James Brooks and Joe Cribbs any more than Jacobs was going to beat out Caddy and Ronnie. Andrews proved himself when he got to the Falcons, though. He went from fullback in college to the man in the NFL.
Tommy Powell :thumsup:
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Ben Tamburello
Ben Nowland?
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You aren't going far enough back.
What am I missing with Auburn? Who do I have wrong? Especially with older guys whom I did not have the pleasure of watching.
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Ben Nowland?
Ben Dover?
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Ben Dover?
When I was in high school, we had a sub named Ben Dover.
No joke.
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While you all are working out the last kinks of the Auburn team, I'm going to start putting together the others (that will be competitive, so I'm not wasting time on Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or Miss State). I'll go in alphabetical order.
Starting with the gumps.
Alabama
QB - Joe Nameth
RB - Bobby Humphrey
RB - Shaun Alexander
FB - Leron McClain
WR - Don Hutson
WR - Julio Jones
WR - David Palmer
TE - Ozzie Newsome
LT - Andre Smith
LG - Chance Warmack
C - Dwight Stephenson
RG - John Hannah
RT - Chris Samuels
DE - John Copeland
DT - Marty Lyons
DT - Terrence Cody (surprisingly, Alabama doesn't have very many all-time greats at DT)
DE - Leroy Cook
LB - Derrick Thomas
LB - Cornelius Bennett
LB - Rolando McClain
CB - Jeremiah Castille
CB - Don McNeal
SS - Tommy Wilcox
FS - Rashad Johnson
K - ???
P - ???
Returner - Javier Arenas
Returner - David Palmer
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Arkansas
QB - Matt Jones or Ryan Mallett?
RB - Darren McFadden
RB - Felix Jones
FB - Peyton Hillis
WR - Joe Adams
WR -
WR -
TE - Kirk Botkin
LT - Shawn Andrews
LG -
C - Jonathan Luigs
RG -
RT -
DE - Billy Ray Smith Jr
DT - Henry Ford
DT -
DE - Wayne Martin
LB - Tony Bua
LB - Jermaine Petty
LB -
CB - Ahmad Carroll
CB - Steve Atwater
SS -
FS -
K -
P -
Returner - Joe Adams
Returner -
Not sure who else to put for them....
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Andrews was bad ass but had the Brandon Jacobs syndrome. He wasn't going to get the carries over James Brooks and Joe Cribbs any more than Jacobs was going to beat out Caddy and Ronnie. Andrews proved himself when he got to the Falcons, though. He went from fullback in college to the man in the NFL.
Tommy Powell :thumsup:
I is talking about Andrews at FB. He paved the way for the only 3 man all NFL backfield we've ever had, at least I assume. I don't know of any other collegiate wishbone backfield this good either.
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Florida
QB - Tim Tebow
RB - Emmitt Smith
RB - Errict Rhett
FB -
WR - Ike Hilliard
WR - Wes Chandler
WR - Percy Harvin
TE - Aaron Hernandez
LT - Lomas Brown
LG - Jeff Zimmerman
C - Maurkice Pouncey
RG - Jason Odom
RT - Max Starks
DE - Jack Youngblood
DT - Brad Culpepper
DT - Ellis Johnson
DE - Alex Brown
LB - Jevon Kearse
LB - Brandon Spikes
LB - Wilbur Marshall
CB - Lito Sheppard
CB - Joe Haden
SS - Lawrence Wright
FS - Reggie Nelson
K - ????
P - Chas Henry
Returner - Percy Harvin
Returner - ???
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The names listed at LB are kind of a who's who for AU foosballz players. I would argue replacing Aundray Bruce with Greg Carr as Bruce played mainly DE at Auburn. Carr was All SEC 3 straight years and the leading tackler for AU his sophomore, junior and senior seasons.
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The names listed at LB are kind of a who's who for AU foosballz players. I would argue replacing Aundray Bruce with Greg Carr as Bruce played mainly DE at Auburn. Carr was All SEC 3 straight years and the leading tackler for AU his sophomore, junior and senior seasons.
I thought that as well, but when I looked him up, he was listed as a LB.
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If we distinguish between punt return and kick off--then I think Thomas Bailey should be in the conversation. I don't know if he still holds the yds per return record but I believe he did at one time as a punt returner.
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I thought that as well, but when I looked him up, he was listed as a LB.
Funny. I don't remember him as ever playing LB. I wudda bet on it. And I don't know who it is but I think we gotta have somebody that was better than Lee Z at RT and B Robinson at FS. Just a gut feeling.
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Ben Nowland?
Tamburello was All-SEC twice under TBCPFD.
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The names listed at LB are kind of a who's who for AU foosballz players. I would argue replacing Aundray Bruce with Greg Carr as Bruce played mainly DE at Auburn. Carr was All SEC 3 straight years and the leading tackler for AU his sophomore, junior and senior seasons.
Bruce played outside in a 4-4 scheme...so he could have been categorized either way, I guess.
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DE - Quentin Groves
DT - Nick Fairley
DT - Tracy Rocker
DE - Gerald Robinson
God ....could you imagine this <shudder>. I would give Snaggles left nut to have one of these guys on our line right now.
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God ....could you imagine this <shudder>. I would give Snaggles left nut to have one of these guys on our line right now.
There's not a running back that could get more than 0.5 yards per carry up the middle with that front.
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Bruce played outside in a 4-4 scheme...so he could have been categorized either way, I guess.
I misremembered there, Roger. Even teh wiki's say LB and DE. I just seem to always recall his tall self coming off the end.
And GF, you'll have to ask Snagette for it. She wouldn't let me bring mine today.
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There's not a running back that could get more than 0.5 yards per carry up the middle with that front.
There's not a running back that can get less than 5.0 yards per carry up the middle with our current front. All you need to do is switch the place value and we're good for the season.
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There's not a running back that can get less than 5.0 yards per carry up the middle with our current front. All you need to do is switch the place value and we're good for the season.
It's all about the period
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It's all about the period
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There's not a running back that could get more than 0.5 yards per carry up the middle with that front.
And herein lies the purpose of this thread.
Could Bobby Humphrey run for a first down against that front if he had Alabama's five best offensive linemen blocking for him?
Tune in for the answer.
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LSU
QB - Bert Jones
RB - Billy Cannon
RB - Kevin Faulk
FB - Jacob Hester
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Josh Reed
WR - Eric Martin
TE - ???David LaFleur
LT - Andrew Whitworth
LG - Alan Faneca
C - Ben Wilkerson
RG - ?????
RT - Eric Andolsek
DE - Marcus Spears
DT - Glenn Dorsey
DT - Anthony McFarland
DE - Chuck Wiley
LB - Bradie James
LB - Warren Capone
LB - Kevin Minter
CB - Patrick Petersen
CB - Morris Claiborne
SS - LaRon Landry
FS - Craig Steltz
K - Josh Jaspar
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Returner - Tyrann Mathieu
Returner - Skyler Green
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Georgia
QB - Aaron Murray
RB - Herschel Walker
RB - Garrison Hearst
FB - Brannan Southerland
WR - Terrence Edwards
WR - AJ Green
WR - Hines Ward
TE - Leonard Pope
LT - Matt Stinchcomb
LG - PAT FUCKING DYE
C - Ben Jones
RG - Max Jean-Gilles
RT - Jon Stinchcomb
DE - David Pollack
DT - Richard Seymour
DT - Bill Stanfill
DE - Charles Grant
LB - Boss Bailey
LB - Jarvis Jones
LB - Knox Culpepper
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Scott Woerner
SS - Terry Hoage
FS - Thomas Davis
K - ???
P - ???
Returner - Knowshon?
Returner -
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I'm pretty much using Bleacher Report's "Dream Team" lists for the other teams.
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While you all are working out the last kinks of the Auburn team, I'm going to start putting together the others (that will be competitive, so I'm not wasting time on Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or Miss State). I'll go in alphabetical order.
Starting with the gumps.
Alabama
QB - Joe Nameth
RB - Bobby Humphrey
RB - Trent Richardson
FB - Leron McClain
WR - Don Hutson
WR - Julio Jones
WR - David Palmer
TE - Ozzie Newsome
LT - Andre Smith
LG - Chance Warmack
C - Dwight Stephenson
RG - John Hannah
RT - Chris Samuels
DE - John Copeland
DT - Marty Lyons
DT - Terrence Cody (surprisingly, Alabama doesn't have very many all-time greats at DT)
DE - Leroy Cook
LB - Derrick Thomas
LB - Cornelius Bennett
LB - Rolando McClain
CB - Jeremiah Castille
CB - Don McNeal
SS - Tommy Wilcox
FS - Rashad Johnson
K - ???
P - ???
Returner - Javier Arenas
Returner - David Palmer
You don't even have Leroy Jordan on there.
Pat Trammel? Shaun Alexander? Johnny Musso? Ray Perkins? Chris Samuels?
You'll never get agreement here.
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Georgia
QB - Aaron Murray
RB - Herschel Walker
RB - Garrison Hearst
FB - Brannan Southerland
WR - Terrence Edwards
WR - AJ Green
WR - Brice Hunter
TE - Leonard Pope
LT - Matt Stinchcomb
LG - PAT FUCKING DYE
C - Ben Jones
RG - Max Jean-Gilles
RT - Jon Stinchcomb
DE - David Pollack
DT - Richard Seymour
DT - Bill Stanfill
DE - Charles Grant
LB - Boss Bailey
LB - Jarvis Jones
LB - Knox Culpepper
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Scott Woerner
SS - Terry Hoage
FS - Thomas Davis
K - ???
P - ???
Returner - Knowshon?
Returner -
I would probably put Hines (Lemme see if I can kill Jimmy Brumbaugh's career with my helmet) Ward at WR
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Tennessee
QB - Peyton Manning
RB - Jamal Lewis
RB - Travis Henry
FB - Will Bartholomew
WR - Peerless Price
WR - Kelly Washington
WR - Joey Kent
TE - Jason Whitten
LT - Chad Clifton
LG - Cosey Coleman
C -
RG -
RT - Antone Davis
DE - Reggie White
DT - Albert Haynesworth
DT - John Henderson
DE - Leonard Little
LB - Al Wilson
LB - Steve Kiner
LB - Keith Delong
CB - ????
CB - ????
SS - Deon Grant
FS - Eric Berry
K - Jeff Hall
P -
Returner - ???
Returner -
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You don't even have Leroy Jordan on there.
Pat Trammel? Shaun Alexander? Johnny Musso? Ray Perkins? Chris Samuels?
You'll never get agreement here.
Who do you take out for Jordan?
McClain? I guess because he's the youngest of the bunch, but despite his offseason troubles of late, McClain was the pivotal leader on the 2008 and 2009 Alabama teams. Their defense didn't miss a beat when Hightower went down.
Pat Trammell? The guy's career statistics would be matched in half a season by current quarterbacks.
You can put Alexander in for Richardson, but Richardson was a behemoth of a running back.
Chris Samuels is on there. I don't know about the other guys.
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I would probably put Hines (Lemme see if I can kill Jimmy Brumbaugh's career with my helmet) Ward at WR
Fixed for Brice Hunter.
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I would probably put Hines (Lemme see if I can kill Jimmy Brumbaugh's career with my helmet) Ward at WR
This X 1,000
Frick Hines Ward in da' mouf
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Few names that deserve some consideration...
on the O-line: Chris Gray, Willie Anderson, Kendall Simmons, Jeno James, Ed King.
Punter: Terry Daniel
Saferty: Will Herring
Fullback: Brandon Johnson
LB: Kurt Crain
WR: Karsten Bailey
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Few names that deserve some consideration...
on the O-line: Chris Gray, Willie Anderson, Kendall Simmons, Jeno James, Ed King.
Punter: Terry Daniel
Saferty: Will Herring
Fullback: Brandon Johnson
LB: Kurt Crain
WR: Karsten Bailey
Willie Anderson and Ed King. Bam!!! Didn't think about them but they definitely deserve to be on. Anderson was a beast.
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You don't even have Leroy Jordan on there.
Pat Trammel? Shaun Alexander? Johnny Musso? Ray Perkins? Chris Samuels?
You'll never get agreement here.
Andrews was bad ass but had the Brandon Jacobs syndrome. He wasn't going to get the carries over James Brooks and Joe Cribbs any more than Jacobs was going to beat out Caddy and Ronnie. Andrews proved himself when he got to the Falcons, though. He went from fullback in college to the man in the NFL.
Tommy Powell :thumsup:
You don't even have Leroy Jordan on there.
Pat Trammel? Shaun Alexander? Johnny Musso? Ray Perkins? Chris Samuels?
You'll never get agreement here.
Gets it from me. K knows the best of the inbreds. Musso, Trammel and Perkins don't make the cut.
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I have a theory that Auburn's all-timers are better than every other SEC team's all-timers.
To prove this, I'm going to need a little help starting with Auburn's best players of all time.
Only use players that dominated during college. NFL ability can only be considered during tie-breakers, and NFL ability can only be considered if a player was drafted high based on college performance. So for example, if we were using Michigan, they could not use Tom Brady as their best quarterback. Further, Jim Harbaugh would be considered the better choice than Tom Brady for Michigan's all-time quarterback because Harbaugh dominated during college and was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft based on his college performance.
What am I missing with Auburn? Who do I have wrong? Especially with older guys whom I did not have the pleasure of watching.
QB - Cam Newton
RB - Bo Jackson
RB - Carnell Williams
FB - Heath Evans or Fred Beasley
WR - Terry Beasley
WR - Courtney Taylor
WR - Frank Sanders
TE - Walter Reeves (?)
LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Ben Grubbs
C - ?????
RG - Zeke Smith
RT - Lee Ziemba
DE - Quentin Groves
DT - Nick Fairley
DT - Tracy Rocker
DE - Gerald Robinson
LB - Aundray Bruce
LB - Takeo Spikes
LB - Karlos Dansby
CB - Carlos Rogers
CB - Corey Barlow
SS - Junior Rosegreen
FS - Brian Robinson
K - Wes Byrum
P - Lewis Colbert
Returner - James Brooks
Punt Returner - Alexander Wright
Tucker Fredrickson at one corner.
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I have a theory that Auburn's all-timers are better than every other SEC team's all-timers.
To prove this, I'm going to need a little help starting with Auburn's best players of all time.
Only use players that dominated during college. NFL ability can only be considered during tie-breakers, and NFL ability can only be considered if a player was drafted high based on college performance. So for example, if we were using Michigan, they could not use Tom Brady as their best quarterback. Further, Jim Harbaugh would be considered the better choice than Tom Brady for Michigan's all-time quarterback because Harbaugh dominated during college and was drafted in the 1st round of the NFL draft based on his college performance.
What am I missing with Auburn? Who do I have wrong? Especially with older guys whom I did not have the pleasure of watching.
QB - Cam Newton
RB - Bo Jackson
RB - Carnell Williams
FB - Heath Evans or Fred Beasley
WR - Terry Beasley
WR - Courtney Taylor
WR - Frank Sanders
TE - Walter Reeves (?)
LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Ben Grubbs
C - ?????
RG - Zeke Smith
RT - Lee Ziemba
DE - Quentin Groves
DT - Nick Fairley
DT - Tracy Rocker
DE - Gerald Robinson
LB - Aundray Bruce
LB - Takeo Spikes
LB - Karlos Dansby
CB - Carlos Rogers
CB - Corey Barlow
SS - Junior Rosegreen
FS - Brian Robinson
K - Wes Byrum
P - Lewis Colbert
Returner - James Brooks
Punt Returner - Alexander Wright
Why you'll never reach consensus.
Ken Bernich would snatch off your head and make a necklace of your teeth. He's not on here.
Greg Carr, Dr. Greg Carr, was a heck of a college player.
David King was absolutely fearless. Pound for pound as good as any defender ever.
Neil O'Donahue at kicker isn't here. Neither is Del Greco. Byrum had his moments but those guys? And what about Duvall?
Did I mention Ken Bernich? Good god a mighty that was a tough sonofa....
Jim Pyburn. Look that dude up some time.
Tucker Frederickson? The dude was Cam+Bo in the day.
Travis Tidwell. Held the records for 30 years.
Ken Rice, Zeke Smith, Mike Kolen, Mike Fuller, Bob Harris, Joe Cribbs...
I love CT, but he's not all time at WR as much as I want him to be. Not when there's Pyburn and Freddie Hyatt and Weygand and Gainous and maybe even Obomanu/Aromoshadu (merged) out there.
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Steve Wallace-OT
Tommy Agee-FB
Dave Beck-S
Mike Fuller PR...make Brooks the KR
Ben Thomas-DL
Jackie Burkett-C
Reese McCall-TE
Victor Riley-OT
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Why you'll never reach consensus.
Ken Bernich would snatch off your head and make a necklace of your teeth. He's not on here.
Greg Carr, Dr. Greg Carr, was a heck of a college player.
David King was absolutely fearless. Pound for pound as good as any defender ever.
Neil O'Donahue at kicker isn't here. Neither is Del Greco. Byrum had his moments but those guys? And what about Duvall?
Did I mention Ken Bernich? Good god a mighty that was a tough sonofa....
Jim Pyburn. Look that dude up some time.
Tucker Frederickson? The dude was Cam+Bo in the day.
Travis Tidwell. Held the records for 30 years.
Ken Rice, Zeke Smith, Mike Kolen, Mike Fuller, Bob Harris, Joe Cribbs...
I love CT, but he's not all time at WR as much as I want him to be. Not when there's Pyburn and Freddie Hyatt and Weygand and Gainous and maybe even Obomanu/Aromoshadu (merged) out there.
I don't really need a consensus. This isn't so much about finding the Auburn all time team as it is proving that we can put together a group of 25 players that no other SEC program could beat.
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Texas A&M
QB - Johnny Manziel
RB - Darren Lewis
RB - Greg Hill
FB - Jack Pardee
WR - Ryan Swope
WR - Robert Ferguson
WR - Terrence Murphy
TE - Martellus Bennett
LT - Richmond Webb
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C - Seth McKinney
RG -
RT - Luke Joekel
DE - Jacob Green
DT - Sam Adams
DT -
DE - Ray Childress
LB - Von Miller
LB - Dat Nguyen
LB - Quentin Coryatt
CB - Kevin Smith
CB - Aaron Glenn
SS - Lester Hayes
FS - ????
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P - Shane Lechler
Returner - ????
Returner -
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My dad was at Auburn the same time Tucker Frederickson was, and he's still the benchmark that my dad compares good Auburn players to.
He was the #1 pick in the NFL Draft, like Cam, Bo, and Bruce.
Phillip Marshall wrote this about him a few years ago:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/651692.html
In 1963 and 1964, he was the best running back, the best blocking back and the best defensive back in the Southeastern Conference. He helped lead Auburn to the Orange Bowl in 1963 and led the nation’s best defense in 1964.
In 1962 and 1963, Frederickson played halfback on offense and in the secondary on defense. His blocking helped pave the way for Jimmy Sidle to become the first quarterback ever to rush for more than 1,000 yards as the Tigers went 9-1 in 1963.
SI had this in their archives:
Tucker Frederickson has, too, but he is something altogether different, if not altogether unreal.
Predicts Will Walls of the Pittsburgh Steelers: "He'd go in the first round of the NFL draft at five different positions—running back, fullback, tight end, cornerback or safety. He's the best blocker in the country, and the best safety. He can be something else as a runner with his size and speed."
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tucker-frederickson-1.html
A consensus All American in 1964, he finished 6th in the Heisman that year.
1962 Auburn SEC RB 54 192 3.6 1 9 104 11.6 1 63 296 4.7 2
1963 Auburn SEC RB 77 311 4.0 2 5 34 6.8 1 82 345 4.2 3
1964 Auburn SEC RB 129 576 4.5 5 14 101 7.2 0 143 677 4.7 5
Rushing numbers seem a bit low, but he was blocking for Sidle. Can we move him to FB on your team?
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And for Center, I am partial to Shannon Roubique. All SEC 93, 94, and 95. And he's from Denham Springs. How LSU let him get away, I'll never know.
As for Kicker, don't get me wrong, Wes Byrum will always have a special place in Auburn History, but I'm going to go with Scott Etheridge. I believe in the 93 Sports Illustrated, they said that in 4 years, he never missed a PAT.
And Punter, I agree with AuownsU, Terry Daniel.
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I agree with Kaos, Zeke Smith has to be on that list, 58' Outland Trophy winner.
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I agree with Kaos, Zeke Smith has to be on that list, 58' Outland Trophy winner.
He is.
I know he was a defensive player, but I read that he dominated at guard too.
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My dad was at Auburn the same time Tucker Frederickson was, and he's still the benchmark that my dad compares good Auburn players to.
He was the #1 pick in the NFL Draft, like Cam, Bo, and Bruce.
Phillip Marshall wrote this about him a few years ago:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/651692.html
SI had this in their archives:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tucker-frederickson-1.html
A consensus All American in 1964, he finished 6th in the Heisman that year.
1962 Auburn SEC RB 54 192 3.6 1 9 104 11.6 1 63 296 4.7 2
1963 Auburn SEC RB 77 311 4.0 2 5 34 6.8 1 82 345 4.2 3
1964 Auburn SEC RB 129 576 4.5 5 14 101 7.2 0 143 677 4.7 5
Rushing numbers seem a bit low, but he was blocking for Sidle. Can we move him to FB on your team?
You'd take Tucker over Heath Evans or Fred Beasley?
I mean, I'm fine with it, but I want to win. You really think he could power block someone like Derrick Thomas or Brandon Spikes?
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You'd take Tucker over Heath Evans or Fred Beasley?
I mean, I'm fine with it, but I want to win. You really think he could power block someone like Derrick Thomas or Brandon Spikes?
Impossible to make that comparison.
Bill Curry played in the NFL for nine years on the offensive line. He was 6-3 about 225 if I remember right.
John Hannah, who Alabama fans regard as the greatest offensive lineman to ever play the game, ran about 250.
Jack Lambert, regarded by people who know (not idiot bama fans) was under 220.
You take any old school guy like that and who knows if they could match up to today's better fed, more conditioned, better trained athletes. You just have to go on what they did in their time because that's the only comparison you have.
Ken Bernich was 6-2 250 and probably pretty slow. Against today's athlete he might just be Jake Holland for all I know. But I watched that guy with his shredded hand tape, blood running down his face, mud all over his jersey and I know he got after it. Would that same attitude be enough today if he got the same food, the same training, the same work? I have to think it would.
Tried to find a clip of the guy but the only thing I could find was a Florida Football Review from 1973 and he was only in one or two of the clips.
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You'd take Tucker over Heath Evans or Fred Beasley?
I mean, I'm fine with it, but I want to win. You really think he could power block someone like Derrick Thomas or Brandon Spikes?
I'm with you on this. Tucker has gotta be pushing 70. Too damn slow to get there fast enough to even try to power block DT.
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I'm with you on this. Tucker has gotta be pushing 70. Too damn slow to get there fast enough to even try to power block DT.
I'm relatively sure that right now, even at 70, TF could push Derrick Thomas' shit in.
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I'm relatively sure that right now, even at 70, TF could push Derrick Thomas' shit in.
Ha! Yeah right. Derrick Thomas doesn't have any shit in him!
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While you all are working out the last kinks of the Auburn team, I'm going to start putting together the others (that will be competitive, so I'm not wasting time on Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or Miss State). I'll go in alphabetical order.
Starting with the gumps.
Alabama...
Shouldn't this entry be a link to their current roster?
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Nuances aside, I think a compelling argument can be made that Auburn's all-time team would win against the following competitive programs: Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and LSU.
Here's the criteria:
Analysis of Quarterbacks
Offensive Line vs. Defensive Line
Receivers vs. defensive backs
Offensive playmakers
Defensive playmakers
First up, Auburn vs. LSU....
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Not sure why Fred Beasley is even mentioned here. He didn't do dick at Auburn, mainly because Bowden got completely away from the big power back and wanted to go with a bunch of smurfs in the backfield. Beasley had a solid NFL career but he was barely used with relation to his potential. And if memory serves, there wasn't much use for the fullback once Bowden went full-blown Diddy's offense.
Note: I liken Beasley's Auburn career to that of Tony Richardson. Underused while in college but had/has had a long NFL career.
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Auburn vs. LSU
Analysis of Quarterbacks
Who is Bert Jones? A consistent signal caller from years ago who was supposed to be the heir to Johnny Unitas. While Jones is an admirable quarterback and some may say Jamarcus Russell may have been a better choice, there's simply no comparison to Cam Newton.
In fact, Cam Newton's ability to throw accurately, throw deep, and throw intelligently combined with his powerful, heavy body that can move at wide receiver speed with running back elusiveness is far and beyond what any quarterback on any other team can offer except for Tim Tebow. So comparing quarterbacks will take a break until Auburn vs. Florida.
Offensive Line vs. Defensive Front Seven
Luckily for this comparison, many of the Auburn offensive line greats competed with the LSU defensive line greats. The only defender LSU offers that would pose a problem for Auburn's line is Glenn Dorsey. At his best, he is unblockable and has the ability to stuff the run and rush the passer. For Auburn, having the dual threat quarterback with the option to pitch to a powerful, blazing fast Bo Jackson would nullify the effectiveness of Dorsey's performance. Combining Newton and Jackson with this o-line would simply dominate the line of scrimmage.
LSU's linebackers would have a very tough time stopping the Auburn rushing attack. With a head of steam, Newton and Jackson would be too powerful to slow down. Not to mention, LSU's greatest linebackers were undersized and fast, and while speed and agility is useful as a linebacker, their speed and agility doesn't match up with the athleticism of Newton and Jackson.
On the flip side, the inside men of Auburn's defensive line would be unblockable by LSU's linemen. Nick Fairly and Glenn Dorsey are very comparable, however, Auburn has the edge by adding a second freak at defensive tackle in Tracy Rocker.
Billy Cannon and Kevin Faulk are both very serviceable running backs and no team would lament having them on their offense; however, they are not legends. They are not top 10, 20, or even 30 of all time in college football lore. LSU would need Auburn's Bo Jackson to make something happen behind the line of scrimmage in order to have a chance at developing an effective run game.
On top of the dominance of Auburn's defensive line, Auburn's linebackers are head and shoulders better than the LSU rushing attack. No matter which of Auburn's legendary linebackers you choose, their tremendous size, strength, and speed would stuff the LSU run game. This would force LSU to open up their passing game.
Receivers vs. defensive backs
Auburn would have already established their rushing attack with Newton and Jackson. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Auburn could win this if they only ran the ball with Newton and Jackson. 5+ yards a carry with multiple long touchdown runs would not be unexpected.
However, if LSU did manage to force Auburn into a passing situation, I believe they would have the upper hand against Auburn's receivers.
Auburn's receivers are good but not really great when compared to other receivers that have played the game.
There's no denying the fact that LSU's secondary is stout especially at corner. However, this is a moot discussion because LSU would not have the freedom to just defend the pass. They would have to put 8- men in the box, and Newton's accuracy would pick apart the LSU secondary.
For LSU, their receivers would be very tough to defend, but I believe that Carlos Rogers is a good enough shut down corner to prevent Josh Reed from doing too much damage. The size of Dwayne Bowe would create mismatches in the secondary, however, Auburn's defensive line and linebackers would have Jones on his heels. The lack of an effective LSU rushing attack would limit their ability to have consistent pass plays.
Offensive playmakers
No contest. Not even worth a discussion. Cam Newton and Bo Jackson are top five biggest offensive threats not only in the SEC but in the entire history of college football. LSU has a few defensive players to limit this, but Newton and Jackson would put up record numbers.
I do think LSU's back four would limit the big play. LaRon Landry would effectively punish Jackson and Newton for making it down field, but the damage would already have been done.
For LSU, Josh Reed, Michael Clayton, and Dwayne Bowe are all three very dangerous, tall, strong receiving threats down field.
Defensive playmakers
Auburn has a plethora of defensive players that can take over a game. Tracy Rocker and Nick Fairley could handle the line of scrimmage alone.
LSU also has a lot of defensive playmakers but nobody with the ability to take over the game against Auburn's offense.
Verdict
I really think this would be a blowout.
Auburn 49 - LSU 13
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Not sure why Fred Beasley is even mentioned here. He didn't do dick at Auburn, mainly because Bowden got completely away from the big power back and wanted to go with a bunch of smurfs in the backfield. Beasley had a solid NFL career but he was barely used with relation to his potential. And if memory serves, there wasn't much use for the fullback once Bowden went full-blown Diddy's offense.
Note: I liken Beasley's Auburn career to that of Tony Richardson. Underused while in college but had/has had a long NFL career.
I think Tony Richardson is who I meant.
In fact, after doing the Wiki, he's exactly who I meant.
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I think Tony Richardson is who I meant.
In fact, after doing the Wiki, he's exactly who I meant.
Both incredibly underused backs. Especially Beasley. He was a monster coming out of high school. I believe he followed Steven Davis. Big 225 back. But Tot wanted nothing to do with that kind of back.
Anyone recall the Miss. State back who was All SEC at that time? Something like Jonathon Jones or Johnny Jones...can't place it. He was one of those 6'2" 225 type backs who would hang 100 on you in a hearbeat. Anywho, there was a quote from one of the assistants who was recruiting him and was talking to Bowden in a meeting about the back and Bowden flatly stated he didn't want him. The assistant asked him what was wrong? Is he too big or too fast?
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Ben Tamburello
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Not sure why Fred Beasley is even mentioned here. He didn't do dick at Auburn, mainly because Bowden got completely away from the big power back and wanted to go with a bunch of smurfs in the backfield. Beasley had a solid NFL career but he was barely used with relation to his potential. And if memory serves, there wasn't much use for the fullback once Bowden went full-blown Diddy's offense.
Note: I liken Beasley's Auburn career to that of Tony Richardson. Underused while in college but had/has had a long NFL career.
Bowden tried to use Beasley at RB. Fred was way too slow. I think his NFL Combine 40 time was 5.0. He was a FB, plain and simple. BTW, is widely considered by Niner fans to be one of the best values they ever picked up on the draft.