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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on December 31, 2012, 05:40:39 PM
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Fucking Up big time there bubba
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Fucking Up big time there bubba
I still think Corey missed out not playing LB and don't think he has much of a pro career but then last I looked Tristan Davis was on a roster.
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All you talent scouts would do well to remember he played on a dumpster fire of a team this past season. Scout has him listed as the 24th overall in their top 32. Todd McShay had him going in the first round as well. One NFL scout service I saw online had him the #4 DE in the draft. If he has a good combine, he'll likely be no worse than a 2nd rounder...if he is as expected, then maybe 3rd. Or he may shit the bed at the combine, and drop off the boards, who knows? He's most likely going to go to a 3-4 team and play OLB.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737318
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Stanley McClover part deux?
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Derp. 6th round for the win.
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Y'all hoping he fails?
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Y'all hoping he fails?
Just kind of a headscratcher I suppose. Maybe he got lost in the shuffle of this year's team being so bad. Maybe teams schemed him out. He looked really good last year, but didn't seem greatly productive this season. Not first or second round productive IMO.
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Just kind of a headscratcher I suppose. Maybe he got lost in the shuffle of this year's team being so bad. Maybe teams schemed him out. He looked really good last year, but didn't seem greatly productive this season. Not first or second round productive IMO.
How much do you think that matters to the NFL scouts?
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How much do you think that matters to the NFL scouts?
I get where you're coming from. It's the same reason sometimes you see a guy from St. Mary's School of the Blind starting as a rookie in the NFL sometimes. Like I said, I don't know if that, to the regular fan, maybe he was just overshadowed by a shitty season overall. Maybe he wasn't given the opportunity to perform the way he did last season. I just don't think that he will go in the first two rounds regardless. I think he is a pretty good player, and will be a good value in the 3rd or 4th round.
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I get where you're coming from. It's the same reason sometimes you see a guy from St. Mary's School of the Blind starting as a rookie in the NFL sometimes. Like I said, I don't know if that, to the regular fan, maybe he was just overshadowed by a shitty season overall. Maybe he wasn't given the opportunity to perform the way he did last season. I just don't think that he will go in the first two rounds regardless. I think he is a pretty good player, and will be a good value in the 3rd or 4th round.
The NFL really only cares about physical talent they can measure, which accounts for the guys you never heard of from St. Mary's School for the Blind in the NFL. A great season will get a guy more attention for sure, but if you can play, and just happen to be on a shitty team, they'll figure that out too. The only way I think he goes in the first 2 rounds is if he really impresses at the combine, and a couple of other DE's that fit the 3-4 OLB template go ahead of him early. Probably right though, good 3rd or 4th round value, and a good decision on his part if he goes there, and makes a playing roster.
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He'll go bottom 2nd round - mid 3rd round. It'll depend on how well he can flip his hips in coverage, because like it was said previously he'll more than likely be a LB. If he works on his coverage skills, increases his 40 time and shows out at the combine, he'll definitely shoot up the draft boards.
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Like JR said no suprise really considering how high many project him to go. Will he actually be drafted that high? Who knows. Shame he didn't want to hang around and try to right the ship but it is what is.
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According to Scout.com, Barkevious Mingo is the 2nd rated DE, and 6th overall in the Draft, while Lemonier is the 7th DE and 24th overall.
2012 Mingo: 6-5, 240, 33 Tkls, 4 Sacks, 4.61 40 Yd Dash.
2012 Lemonier: 6-4, 242, 28 Tkls, 5.5 Sacks, 4.78 40 Yd Dash
Mingo had a huge dropoff in production this year from last, just like Lemonier. Why? Guessing, that at least a little was due to teams paying more attention to them, and scheming to slow them down. Lemonier was the only thing like a defensive threat we had this year. He had 5 sacks in the first 4 games, and his disappearance coincided with the falling apart of the entire team after the LSU game. Mingo had Montgomery on the other end of the line. The difference in Mingo and Lemonier? An inch in Ht. and a significantly better 40 time. Those numbers are on ESPN.com, and the combine will tell the truth on those things. Also, like Prowler said, his cover skills, how well he can turn his hips, run and change direction will be a big deal. A guy like Lemonier could really shoot up, or drop off in the draft based on his combine, because he projects more as a 3-4 OLB, and has not had a chance to show some 3-4 OLB skills needed at the college level while playing in a 4-3 scheme. He may or may not have them. Or he could go as a 3rd down specialist to a 4 man line team. I think he's a tad light to play every down in a 4-3 system.
I hope he does well.
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I hope he does well.
So do I.
Teams chose to run at him as LSU did against Clowney. And it could be that Van Gorder had to curb some of that aggressiveness so as not to get burned overall as a unit.
There's probably not a better time for Lemonier to go pro.
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There's probably not a better time for Lemonier to go pro.
Meh....
I would have liked to have seen him in Ellis' system with Gardner as the DL coach. Except against Alabama. I really think he would have flourished under those two coaches. As much opportunity as there would be to raise his draft stock, I suppose there is equal chance he wouldn't grasp the system or something like that.
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Y'all hoping he fails?
No, just seen this song play out before.
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No, just seen this song play out before.
Yeah, I've seen it play out both ways.
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I'm hoping the new staff will have a different mindset about what constitutes a prototypical (SEC) LB and DE. I'm not sure how it started but Auburn at least in the past recruited LBs in the 225# range and under and it was like this unwritten rule that any defensive athlete over 240 was considered more of an end.
I'm also not going to get into the whole three man-four man front or stand-up, hand in the grass thing but Auburn has had a number of drafted pass rushing ends that did not have the skills that translated into a long term NFL career as a LB due mainly to the lack of cover skills.
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I think he's going to a beast. He dominated in 2011 when our defense was awful. He has insane speed on passing situations and plays smart.
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I'm hoping the new staff will have a different mindset about what constitutes a prototypical (SEC) LB and DE. I'm not sure how it started but Auburn at least in the past recruited LBs in the 225# range and under and it was like this unwritten rule that any defensive athlete over 240 was considered more of an end.
I'm also not going to get into the whole three man-four man front or stand-up, hand in the grass thing but Auburn has had a number of drafted pass rushing ends that did not have the skills that translated into a long term NFL career as a LB due mainly to the lack of cover skills.
From the looks of it we were headed in that direction in this upcoming signing class. The smallish LBers started right around the time Coach Tuberville came. I'm guessing it had more to do with the style of Defense being installed. With CEJ's 4-2-5/3-4/4-3/3-3-5 I think we'll see the bigger LBers with the faster/smaller ones going into the Prowler position.
IMO, Corey Lemonier, Dee Ford & Craig Sanders would've been better suited at LB (they don't seem to have enough strength to get off blocks...of course that could've been lack of coaching technique).
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Seems like a smart decision to me. Lets see stay on shitty Auburn team...or make money in NFL.
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I know the NFL scouts will evaluate players by far different standards than going by what they did at the college level. And by all accounts, Lemonier should do well when measured according to his physical ability. That being said, he completely disappeared after two games this season. I have no idea why. If it was injuries, I get it. If he wasn't injured, I have to believe he mailed it in like so many others on the team. In games against Climpsum and MSU, he was flat out disruptive. Even if he didn't get to the QB, he was right there, forcing him out of the pocket. I honestly can't recall a single play he made after the MSU game.
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I know the NFL scouts will evaluate players by far different standards than going by what they did at the college level. And by all accounts, Lemonier should do well when measured according to his physical ability. That being said, he completely disappeared after two games this season. I have no idea why. If it was injuries, I get it. If he wasn't injured, I have to believe he mailed it in like so many others on the team. In games against Climpsum and MSU, he was flat out disruptive. Even if he didn't get to the QB, he was right there, forcing him out of the pocket. I honestly can't recall a single play he made after the MSU game.
As I posted in this thread earlier, he had 5 of his 5.5 sacks in the first 4 games. He had 2 vs LSU (game 4). The whole team fell apart after that game, and it is a team game. Did he mail it in? I have no idea. I know this, he was our only thing resembling a defensive threat, and I have no doubt that teams, through film study, did something to take him out of the mix as at that time, he was on pace to have 16 sacks on the season. He also had no stats available for the Ole Miss game (game 6) which could indicate an injury. All his numbers dropped off significantly after games 4 and 5. Why? Your guess is as good as any, but just a guess. And, it matters not now really.
Your first sentence is spot on. They don't give a shit what happened this past season. They're looking for physical skills they can measure.
It may be a bit of an extreme example, but Jimmy Graham, TE Saints played one season of college football, and had a total of 17 Rec for 213 yds and 5 TDs. He was a 3rd round pick based almost solely on measurable physical ability.
Antonio Gates, TE Chargers, never played a down of college football, in part because when he went to Mich. St. to play both Football and Bball, the mighty midget named Saban wouldn't let him do both.
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First Round pick. :thumsup: