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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
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Well, maybe more along the lines of how to pack heat. The debate on guns is obviously the hottest topic out there, next to the dreaded, "Fiscal Cliff". Do we have to name every potential economic crisis? A lot of gun enthusiasts on the board so I'm looking for some input. Back in college and a few years after, I was an avid hunter. Owned rifles and shotguns for everything from hunting squirrels to shooting from mountain top to mountain top. Loved it, but got out of it once I got married and moved away from all my hunting buddies. The only firearm I own now is a .38 that I keep at the house for protection. But I've never been into handguns and know only the basics about them.
Having said that, events in recent years, culminating with the recent school shooting, have made me rethink the whole idea of carrying a firearm. For whatever the reasons may be, people snap more often these days and it just seems to be "fashionable" to go out in a blaze of glory while you take as many innocent lives with you as possible. Bottom line, I'm ready to arm myself...or at least be more prepared. But here's the problem for me. How do you go about carrying a concealed weapon? Let's say I go down and fill out the forms and get approved....permit issued. Okay, what's the best avenue to go down now?
What do some of you who carry a firearm do? Do you carry when you go in a mall or a restaurant? If so, where do you keep it? Typical day at work, I'm wearing dress kakhi pants and a button down. Typical day outside of work, I'll have on shorts and pullover. Where would I "conceal" a firearm. I hear the argument to these shootings all the time..."Well, if people would arm themselves, this could have been stopped." I agree, but does the average Joe on the street like me normally carry a gun into the Mall?
If you do carry a handgun, what kind? And how often to do you have it?
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Pancho was a bandit, boy
His horse was fast as polished steel
He wore his gun outside his pants
For all the honest world to feel...
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Pancho was a bandit, boy
His horse was fast as polished steel
He wore his gun outside his pants
For all the honest world to feel...
Wait...is he really talking about his gun here?
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Wait...is he really talking about his gun here?
Wyatt Earp-style. Dare any motherfucker to skin that smokewagon.
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The permit thing is a point of contention. A judge told me that as far as he could tell, permits are just a money maker for the sheriff. But I think they can prevent a lot of hassle.
I carry a 32 a lot. It prob won't knock a crazed meth addict down but a properly placed 32 hollow point should get his attention. I think my kel tek shoots 8. It's small enough to put in a big shirt pocket and go unnoticed.
For home, I love me shotgun with buck and a 357 mag with hollows. Killed many a man with this combo and put em in the wood chipper.
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Wyatt Earp-style. Dare any motherfucker to skin that smokewagon.
You just gonna stand there and bleed?
Personally I do not carry in malls, restaurants, etc. I keep it in the car. When I come into work it comes in with me and goes in a holster mounted under my desk. God help the son of a bitch that starts shooting in here.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/thejudge_zps720ec9d3.jpg)
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You just gonna stand there and bleed?
Personally I do not carry in malls, restaurants, etc. I keep it in the car. When I come into work it comes in with me and goes in a holster mounted under my desk. God help the son of a bitch that starts shooting in here.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/thejudge_zps720ec9d3.jpg)
This is what I'm thinking. I definitely want one at work. We deal with some crazy ass people and there's been many a time when we've discussed a particular client...defendant....whatever, where we've said, "That dude is crazy enough to start shooting". I don't think it's practical to carry one everywhere I go and honestly, don't think I want to.
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I’ll cover what I know at least from a Texas perspective:
1. You just don’t fill out a form and get a CHL-You must take class (8 hrs) and pass a test which includes shooting a weapon at a range. Once you get a CHL it is noted on your record. The first thing you better tell a cop if you get pulled over is that you have a CHL and that you are or are not in possession of a weapon.
2. I carry a firearm for protection from the nut cases out in the world. As has been said before “Better to be judged by 12 than carried by sixâ€
3. You see the signs in restaurants and place about this being a “No Firearm†area. Yea right, I can count in any restaurant the number of people who have weapons. I don’t carry all the time, but do in my car. I don’t have one on work site but can get to the one in my car within about 5 seconds.
4. They make purses for women where you can place a firearm. For guys you have ankle holsters, shoulder holsters (under a jacket or shirt). Some bars I know the bartenders and they tell me they have protection behind the bar.
5. The average Joe does not carry weapons, the above average person will and it’s like being a 40 degree black belt in jujitsu/karate/fung shway. 99.9 percent of the people will never use it but the ability to use it makes you a more aware person.
6. I have a 9mm that I carry in my car and a 380 auto on my person.
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This is what I'm thinking. I definitely want one at work. We deal with some crazy ass people and there's been many a time when we've discussed a particular client...defendant....whatever, where we've said, "That dude is crazy enough to start shooting". I don't think it's practical to carry one everywhere I go and honestly, don't think I want to.
Of course there is another option in Alabama. You can do what one of my brothers does and carry a loaded long gun in the cab of his vehicle. You do not need a permit to carry a rifle/shotgun.
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I have a CWC in GA so I can get to my gat ASAP!
In GA you can carry in the car so long as it is in plain sight of in the console/glove box. Those are considered extensions of your home. In public, everywhere, I carry on my belt. Sometimes under a pullover. Sometimes in plain view. I am looking at getting a .380 with a holster that makes the gun look like a wallet. Then I can carry with shorts.
Right now I carry a 9 or a .45. I have to wear a stout belt, but that is usually not an issue.
I am a large brash individual but would do everything possible to avoid using.
The last resort is pulling a weapon.
I practice about once a week. My son and I shoot in a .22 pistol league. A lot of fun and good competition.
The secret to carry is practice. Practice. Practice!
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Seeing as Snags and I are practically neighbors now I can answer this one.
You don't have to have a permit to buy a handgun. I bought a Glock 17 9mm a month or so ago and after a 10 minute background check I walked out with the gun, a conceal carry holster and two boxes of hollow points. Now the tricky thing is, if you are going to carry a gun in your car you must have a concealed carry permit. I didn't have one at the time I bought the gun so I just put it in the trunk and took it out as soon as I got home.
For you, all you have to do is go to the Sheriff's office and fill out a one page form. It takes all of 2 minutes (3 if you don't know your SSN). The nice lady at the window will tell you to come back next week with $20 and pick the permit up. When you come back, they'll take your $20 and give you a piece of paper that you'll sign. You will want to stick it in your wallet and just like that, you are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon. No classes necessary.
I love my 9mm but I'm probably going to pick up another pistol strictly for concealed carry - I'm thinking about a Smith & Wesson MP40 Shield:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT643m0oJOysia3wNFfC0yrd0LVMOTU2kPP46escj8v8HqRpIZOC01Wk1yZCQ)
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Seeing as Snags and I are practically neighbors now I can answer this one.
You don't have to have a permit to buy a handgun. I bought a Glock 17 9mm a month or so ago and after a 10 minute background check I walked out with the gun, a conceal carry holster and two boxes of hollow points. Now the tricky thing is, if you are going to carry a gun in your car you must have a concealed carry permit. I didn't have one at the time I bought the gun so I just put it in the trunk and took it out as soon as I got home.
For you, all you have to do is go to the Sheriff's office and fill out a one page form. It takes all of 2 minutes (3 if you don't know your SSN). The nice lady at the window will tell you to come back next week with $20 and pick the permit up. When you come back, they'll take your $20 and give you a piece of paper that you'll sign. You will want to stick it in your wallet and just like that, you are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon. No classes necessary.
I love my 9mm but I'm probably going to pick up another pistol strictly for concealed carry - I'm thinking about a Smith & Wesson MP40 Shield:
Also note that most all state have reciprocal carry rights.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Click on the state and it will show you who honors whose permits.
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Glock 27, snags. .40 caliber, holds 10 rounds. Great weapon for carrying concealed, fits perfectly under pant leg on ankle.
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This is what I carry unless I'm just headed to and from work. If its me and the family going somewhere eat, to the mall, wherever I usually have this guy on me (.380). Easily fits in my backpocket behind my wallet when walking around.
(http://www.gunblast.com/images/Ruger-LCP/DSC03248.jpg)
At keep this guy at home (9mm). Mine came with two 16 round clips.
(http://www.jetguns.com/images/D5_1/13283.jpg)
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Seeing as Snags and I are practically neighbors now I can answer this one.
You don't have to have a permit to buy a handgun. I bought a Glock 17 9mm a month or so ago and after a 10 minute background check I walked out with the gun, a conceal carry holster and two boxes of hollow points. Now the tricky thing is, if you are going to carry a gun in your car you must have a concealed carry permit. I didn't have one at the time I bought the gun so I just put it in the trunk and took it out as soon as I got home.
For you, all you have to do is go to the Sheriff's office and fill out a one page form. It takes all of 2 minutes (3 if you don't know your SSN). The nice lady at the window will tell you to come back next week with $20 and pick the permit up. When you come back, they'll take your $20 and give you a piece of paper that you'll sign. You will want to stick it in your wallet and just like that, you are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon. No classes necessary.
I love my 9mm but I'm probably going to pick up another pistol strictly for concealed carry - I'm thinking about a Smith & Wesson MP40 Shield:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT643m0oJOysia3wNFfC0yrd0LVMOTU2kPP46escj8v8HqRpIZOC01Wk1yZCQ)
with all of the cons people talk about in re to Alabama, this is def one of the pros about this state.
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Seeing as Snags and I are practically neighbors now I can answer this one.
You don't have to have a permit to buy a handgun. I bought a Glock 17 9mm a month or so ago and after a 10 minute background check I walked out with the gun, a conceal carry holster and two boxes of hollow points. Now the tricky thing is, if you are going to carry a gun in your car you must have a concealed carry permit. I didn't have one at the time I bought the gun so I just put it in the trunk and took it out as soon as I got home.
For you, all you have to do is go to the Sheriff's office and fill out a one page form. It takes all of 2 minutes (3 if you don't know your SSN). The nice lady at the window will tell you to come back next week with $20 and pick the permit up. When you come back, they'll take your $20 and give you a piece of paper that you'll sign. You will want to stick it in your wallet and just like that, you are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon. No classes necessary.
I love my 9mm but I'm probably going to pick up another pistol strictly for concealed carry - I'm thinking about a Smith & Wesson MP40 Shield:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT643m0oJOysia3wNFfC0yrd0LVMOTU2kPP46escj8v8HqRpIZOC01Wk1yZCQ)
This really depends on who you ask. Most lawmen say yes but to my knowledge, there is no law that says this. And, if you have to buy a permit for concealed carry, wouldn't that lead us to believe that you don't have to have one if you don't conceal it? I heard the police chief in Montgomery answer this question one time and he basically said, yes that is right. You don't legally need to have a permit if you aren't concealing the pistol. Then he went on to explain that if he or any of his officers saw anyone with a pistol on their hip downtown they would bust their ass. So, in essence, you get your ass thrown in jail for not breaking the law. Damn coppers.
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Alabama is an open carry state. So long as you aren't in violation of a local ordinance, or on the property of a business which does not allow weapons, you will not go to jail for open carry. And no, you do not have to have a permit to open carry. BUT, unless you are walking or riding a horse to town, you do have to have a permit while riding in your vehicle. So, if you're going to carry, might as well spend the money for a permit. Much less of a hassle.
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Alabama is an open carry state. So long as you aren't in violation of a local ordinance, or on the property of a business which does not allow weapons, you will not go to jail for open carry. And no, you do not have to have a permit to open carry. BUT, unless you are walking or riding a horse to town, you do have to have a permit while riding in your vehicle. So, if you're going to carry, might as well spend the money for a permit. Much less of a hassle.
Do you know the specific law that supports this?
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Do you know the specific law that supports this?
seeing as how he is a law enforcement officer of this state, I think he is familiar.
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seeing as how he is a law enforcement officer of this state, I think he is familiar.
I'm asking because I would like to know. Not to be a smart ass. I've been told by a few people whom I would think would know (albeit a few years ago) that no law exists. Regardless, as he said, it would save a lot of hassle to have a permit. Who wants to go to jail and prove a point.
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Do you know the specific law that supports this?
Section 13A-11-75 - License to carry pistol in vehicle or concealed on person - Issuance; fee; revocation; release of information.
(a) The sheriff of a county, upon the application of any person residing in that county, may issue a qualified or unlimited license to such person to carry a pistol in a vehicle or concealed on or about his or her person within this state for not more than one year from date of issue, if it appears that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to his or her person or property or has any other proper reason for carrying a pistol, and that he or she is a suitable person to be so licensed. The license shall be in triplicate, in form to be prescribed by the Secretary of State, and shall bear the name, address, description, and signature of the licensee and the reason given for desiring a license. The original thereof shall be delivered to the licensee, the duplicate shall, within seven days, be sent by registered or certified mail to the Director of Public Safety, and the triplicate shall be preserved for six years by the authority issuing the same. The fee for issuing such license shall be one dollar ($1) which shall be paid into the county treasury unless otherwise provided by local law. Prior to issuance of a license, the sheriff shall contact available local, state, and federal criminal history data banks to determine whether possession of a firearm by an applicant would be a violation of state or federal law. The sheriff may revoke a license upon proof that the licensee is not a proper person to be licensed.
(b) The name, address, and signature collected from an applicant or licensee under this section shall be kept confidential, shall be exempt from disclosure under Section 36-12-40, and may only be used for law enforcement purposes except when a current licensee is charged in any state with a felony involving the use of a pistol. All other information on licenses under this section, including information concerning the annual number of applicants, number of licenses issued, number of licenses denied, revenue from issuance of licenses, and any other fiscal or statistical data otherwise, shall remain public writings subject to public disclosure. Except as provided above, the sheriff of a county shall redact the name, address, signature, and photograph of an applicant before releasing a copy of a license for a non-law enforcement purpose. The sheriff may charge one dollar ($1) per copy of any redacted license record requested other than when requested for law enforcement purposes. To knowingly publish or release to the public in any form any information or records related to the licensing process, or the current validity of any license, except as authorized in this subsection or in response to a court order or subpoena, is a Class A misdemeanor.
(Acts 1936, Ex. Sess., No. 82, p. 51; Code 1940, T. 14, §177; Acts 1947, No. 616, p. 463, §5; Acts 1951, No. 784, p. 1378; Code 1975, §13-6-155; Act 2006-551, p. 1268, §1; Act 2009-711, p. 2093, §1.)
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I'm buying this one next week. Ruger 40 caliber.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g242/glenn1964/l1_pistols_ruger_p94_40cal_51428.jpg)
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I'm asking because I would like to know. Not to be a smart ass. I've been told by a few people whom I would think would know (albeit a few years ago) that no law exists. Regardless, as he said, it would save a lot of hassle to have a permit. Who wants to go to jail and prove a point.
I was just meaning that he could explain further which he did. I like that Alabama is an open carry state personally. Imagine living in Chicago or DC. No thanks
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That is the law stating the sheriff would provide such a license. Here is the law that actually requires....
Alabama Title 13A-11-73
No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own abode or fixed place of business, without a license therefor as hereinafter provided
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I don't carry my 40 Cal concealed. I usually have it in hand when I go to the grocery store, restaurant, work, church, etc. Some of the time I'm wearing my pajamas and house robe with matching slippers. I've gotten fired at twice, but they missed (I think it freaked them out when I just kept walking into the resturant without even flinching)....They might've been aiming at a squirrel or something, idk.
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That is the law stating the sheriff would provide such a license. Here is the law that actually requires....
Alabama Title 13A-11-73
No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own abode or fixed place of business, without a license therefor as hereinafter provided
What if it is in the glove box? Is that considered an extension of home in Alabama?
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I carry a Glock 26. Basically same dimensions as a 27, but it's a 9mm instead of 40 caliber. Both are very nice, and very accurate guns. Great for concealed carry. If you have a big hand, you can get a mag with a pinky extension. I carry with a neoprene inside the pant holster. If you wear a tucked in shirt, ankle holster would work. I have a S&W .40 for the house, but it's simply too big to be concealed well.
My wife hates when I carry, but I have been carrying alot more often here recently. In restaurants, at the theater, barber shop, grocery shopping, etc. It's strange at first, but the more you carry, it will feel more natural.
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I'm buying this one next week. Ruger 40 caliber.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g242/glenn1964/l1_pistols_ruger_p94_40cal_51428.jpg)
Nice chief. I have one just like it in a .45 and it is very accurate.
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What if it is in the glove box? Is that considered an extension of home in Alabama?
I bought a Barretta Storm 9 mm a few years back, and did a little research about carrying in the car in Alabama. Found that you can carry in a vehicle if it is in a locked compartment or box. I don't remember if a locked glove box was acceptable, for some reason I want to say that it also has to be somewhere that is not accessible. I have been too lazy to get my permit but think I will do so today as I will be close to the courthouse
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Hoover man charged with attempted murder after firing on firefighters called to his home, authorities said: http://t.co/gLOx4yU7
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Just to clarify. If I don't have a permit but want to take my gun to a firing range, am I okay or not if I get pulled over and it's on the seat beside me? I'm thinking, most likely not?
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Just to clarify. If I don't have a permit but want to take my gun to a firing range, am I okay or not if I get pulled over and it's on the seat beside me? I'm thinking, most likely not?
no.
Put it a case unloaded and you will be fine.
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no.
Put it a case unloaded and you will be fine.
This. Or, have the gun, mags, and ammo all separate where they can't be "easily accessed" all at once if you don't have a case. Both scenarios are considered "in transit". If you get pulled over, I believe you still have the same duty to inform the officer that you have a weapon in the vehicle.
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Just to clarify. If I don't have a permit but want to take my gun to a firing range, am I okay or not if I get pulled over and it's on the seat beside me? I'm thinking, most likely not?
No prob. If they hassle you, tell them I said it was ok and to stfu. Then, hope they miss the Miranda.
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No prob. If they hassle you, tell them I said it was ok and to stfu. Then, hope they miss the Miranda.
Miranda wouldn't apply. You should seriously seek legal advise immediately if you are ever arrested. And don't say a word.
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I'm always packing a snake in the grass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=izjfdfDHjWQ
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Just to clarify. If I don't have a permit but want to take my gun to a firing range, am I okay or not if I get pulled over and it's on the seat beside me? I'm thinking, most likely not?
Nah, you should be fine. I'd make sure it's loaded with the safety off though and have a open box of ammo within reach.
If you happen to get pulled over, just roll down your window and fire a shot in the air...that way the police officer will know that you have a gun. You're suppose to tell them that you have a gun, or whatever, just show him instead. He'll get the message.