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Title: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 08:29:17 AM
http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/2012/12/04/auburn-reportedly-hires-alabamas-kirby-smart/ (http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football/2012/12/04/auburn-reportedly-hires-alabamas-kirby-smart/)


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7 hours ago by Patrick Schmidt

The Auburn Tigers have reportedly hired Alabama Crimson Tide defensive coordinator Kirby Smart to be their head coach according to sources.

Auburn had reportedly been interested in Charlie Strong and Bobby Petrino among others for the job, but according to a number of reports, the school that won the 2010 national title got the man they wanted and will pay Smart $3.2 million in the first year of his contract.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 08:56:50 AM
No offense, they could be right.  I am not gonna get whipped up either way from a website name rantsports.com
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
No offense, they could be right.  I am not gonna get whipped up either way from a website name rantsports.com

I know. Just staring a new thread for today's fodder. New log on the fire. This whole this is very meh and blah though.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2012, 09:02:30 AM
The Saban Coaching Tree


Jimbo Fisher.  Could also be part of the Terry Bowden coaching tree.  Pfftt on Saban.

Will Muschamp. Could also be part of the Tommy Tuberville coaching tree. Or Mack Brown. Pfffttt on Saban.

Derek Dooley. Could also be part of the VINCE Dooley coaching tree. Flopped. Pfffttttt on Saban.

Mike Haywood.  Who?

Mark Dantonio.  Who?  Decent coach at Michigan State.  Could also be part of the Earl Bruce, Glen Mason, Jim Tressel coaching tree.

Jim McElwain.  Who?  Colorado State.  4-8. 


Yeah, that Saban tree is fruitful.   
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUJarhead on December 04, 2012, 09:04:04 AM
Yeah, that Saban tree is fruitful.

Exactly what I just told my coworker.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 09:04:49 AM
The Saban Coaching Tree


Jimbo Fisher.  Could also be part of the Terry Bowden coaching tree.  Pfftt on Saban.

Will Muschamp. Could also be part of the Tommy Tuberville coaching tree. Or Mack Brown. Pfffttt on Saban.

Derek Dooley. Could also be part of the VINCE Dooley coaching tree. Flopped. Pfffttttt on Saban.

Mike Haywood.  Who?

Mark Dantonio.  Who?  Decent coach at Michigan State.  Could also be part of the Earl Bruce, Glen Mason, Jim Tressel coaching tree.

Jim McElwain.  Who?  Colorado State.  4-8. 


Yeah, that Saban tree is fruitful.

Cliffs Notes: Kaos not impressed.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: noxin on December 04, 2012, 09:11:08 AM
I don't even have the energy left to be pissed about it anymore.  Guess I should be glad they didn't make Tim Jackson the head coach.

Well played, Jacobs.....
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 09:12:24 AM
 :oh: says there's no truth to this so tifwiw
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUChizad on December 04, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
The Saban Coaching Tree


Jimbo Fisher.  Could also be part of the Terry Bowden coaching tree.  Pfftt on Saban.

Will Muschamp. Could also be part of the Tommy Tuberville coaching tree. Or Mack Brown. Pfffttt on Saban.

Derek Dooley. Could also be part of the VINCE Dooley coaching tree. Flopped. Pfffttttt on Saban.

Mike Haywood.  Who?

Mark Dantonio.  Who?  Decent coach at Michigan State.  Could also be part of the Earl Bruce, Glen Mason, Jim Tressel coaching tree.

Jim McElwain.  Who?  Colorado State.  4-8. 


Yeah, that Saban tree is fruitful.
This is what I've been trying to say, but not as succinctly. Thank you.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUChizad on December 04, 2012, 09:19:01 AM
:oh: says there's no truth to this so tifwiw
For once, I hope :oh: is right.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 04, 2012, 09:19:51 AM
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@colecubelic From what I'm hearing inside athletic dept, it's over. We have hired someone.not sure who


Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 09:22:11 AM
The Saban Coaching Tree


Jimbo Fisher.  Could also be part of the Terry Bowden coaching tree.  Pfftt on Saban.

Will Muschamp. Could also be part of the Tommy Tuberville coaching tree. Or Mack Brown. Pfffttt on Saban.

Derek Dooley. Could also be part of the VINCE Dooley coaching tree. Flopped. Pfffttttt on Saban.

Mike Haywood.  Who?

Mark Dantonio.  Who?  Decent coach at Michigan State.  Could also be part of the Earl Bruce, Glen Mason, Jim Tressel coaching tree.

Jim McElwain.  Who?  Colorado State.  4-8. 


Yeah, that Saban tree is fruitful.

Don't forget those huge successes Sunseri and Steele too.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2012, 09:22:31 AM
@colecubelic From what I'm hearing inside athletic dept, it's over. We have hired someone.not sure who

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Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 09:23:24 AM
For once, I hope :oh: is right.

Ditto. God I hope this isn't true.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 09:43:21 AM
I WOULD RATHER ENDURE THE SHITSTORM OF HIRING BP THAN TO HAVE THE TURDS RUN AROUND SAYING WE ARE SUCKLING FROM THE TIT OF saban.


We need a proven coach and disciplinarian.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 04, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
A couple of Bama guys I have coffee with in the mornings were acting surprised this morning that AU had interest in Smart.  They were giving me shit about AU trying to steal one of their people away.  I said, "Yes, TJ Yeldon....it happens".
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 04, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
Don't forget those huge successes Sunseri and Steele too.

For me the jury is still out on Sunseri.  I will give him more than one year at the back alley abortion that UT football was this year.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 04, 2012, 10:02:36 AM
A couple of Bama guys I have coffee with in the mornings were acting surprised this morning that AU had interest in Smart.  They were giving me shit about AU trying to steal one of their people away.  I said, "Yes, TJ Yeldon....it happens".

Well played sir.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: noxin on December 04, 2012, 10:04:59 AM
Please 3.63 kilogram baby Jesus, let me one day use the phrase "the student has become the master"
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 10:10:30 AM
I WOULD RATHER ENDURE THE SHITSTORM OF HIRING BP THAN TO HAVE THE TURDS RUN AROUND SAYING WE ARE SUCKLING FROM THE TIT OF saban.


We need a proven coach and disciplinarian.
Quite the opposite..my friend.  Most of the bammer people that are smart (no pun intended or the double entendre) do not want us getting Kirby Smart.   It will piss off more of them then the group that says we are suckling from the saban tit.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 04, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Quite the opposite..my friend.  Most of the bammer people that are smart (no pun intended or the double entendre) do not want us getting Kirby Smart.   It will piss off more of them then the group that says we are suckling from the saban tit.

Yep.

I didn't realize that Smart became the defensive coordinator in 2009.  In terms of Alabama's most successful seasons since Saban got there, Smart has had the crucial role of coordinating their #1 defense.

That makes me feel better about him, but his inexperience as a head coach definitely makes me worry. 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 10:27:42 AM
Yep.

I didn't realize that Smart became the defensive coordinator in 2009.  In terms of Alabama's most successful seasons since Saban got there, Smart has had the crucial role of coordinating their #1 defense.

That makes me feel better about him, but his inexperience as a head coach definitely makes me worry.
I'm equating a Smart hire to an automatic double. Patterson a triple. Jimbo, Malzahn and Petrino are singles. Considering the so called list, I think he's a strong hire.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 10:30:19 AM
Yep.

I didn't realize that Smart became the defensive coordinator in 2009.  In terms of Alabama's most successful seasons since Saban got there, Smart has had the crucial role of coordinating their #1 defense.

That makes me feel better about him, but his inexperience as a head coach definitely makes me worry.

I think smart is a great dc, but make no mistake about it - saban drives that bus.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 04, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
If you want to feel better about this, Terry Henley told SportsCall yesterday that this was Jacobs hire and the committee was only going to give a recommendation.    Yea us.

Come on down Gus.  :(
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 04, 2012, 10:38:32 AM
Love how  :oh: comes out with a story that our committee had a tele-con with Petrino this morning but didn't report that yesterday when all the major sites were in meltdown about Kirby and Gus. 

 :woodcock:  <-- Godfather good sir, can we please get this with Jacobs, Jackson and Gogue?  Or can we get them in the Bag O' Dicks? 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 10:43:15 AM
I think smart is a great dc, but make no mistake about it - saban drives that bus.
Disagree again.  Saban's defenses at LSU were no where near as strong as they are at bammer.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Disagree again.  Saban's defenses at LSU were no where near as strong as they are at bammer.

I don't see that being relevant to how much control he has over the D behind the scenes. Alabama probably has better personnel although lsu was stout too. Just not quite this good. Bama has had better Rbs and clock control as well. Makes defense that much better.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 10:48:28 AM
I'm equating a Smart hire to an automatic double. Patterson a triple. Jimbo, Malzahn and Petrino are singles. Considering the so called list, I think he's a strong hire.

In terms of coaching ability, BP is a triple. The others are still being evaluated from a head coaching standpoint.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 04, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
In terms of coaching ability, BP is a triple. The others are still being evaluated from a head coaching standpoint.

In terms of strictly coaching ability, I would say Petrino would be a homerun.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 10:51:06 AM
In terms of coaching ability, BP is a triple. The others are still being evaluated from a head coaching standpoint.

Saying Petrino was a single on coaching ability and smart was a double was laughable. Seeing as how smart has never been a hc. Me thinks wiregrass has had too much grass.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AWK on December 04, 2012, 10:56:28 AM
Sigh...
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 10:57:53 AM
Sigh...

Now back to the good part!!!

This is the tale, of dumbfuck jay Jacobs!
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Saying Petrino was a single on coaching ability and smart was a double was laughable. Seeing as how smart has never been a hc. Me thinks wiregrass has had too much grass.
Me never used the term coaching ability but o.k. I'm just talking about the hire itself.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 04, 2012, 11:01:28 AM
I belieeeeeve:

that I don't want a head corch with no prior head corching experience.  (I'll get behind whoever they hire, but do...not...want)

that Bobby Petrino will not be our next head corch

that Pat Dye will have no say in who our next head corch will be

that Jay Jacobs is only a figure head at this point and will only be used to make the announcement

that Amanda Cerny should be Snags' sex slave

that Quinton Dial should be suspended for the MNC game and fined $25K or 1/10th of his salary

that AJ McTatoo's mom has ridden the Saybin train multiple times

that I mentioned Amanda Cerny earlier, but that she's worth mentioning again.

that all of the above are true or will come to pass.....unless they aren't or don't
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 04, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Sigh...

Let's see, If we hire Smart we get:

1.  Dude that's part of the last how many #1 recruiting classes
2.  Dude that's been the DC for soon to be 3 of the last 4 National Championships
3.  Dude that the Bama folks really don't want to lose

Not bad on the surface
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 11:14:57 AM
Let's see, If we hire Smart we get:

1.  Dude that's part of the last how many #1 recruiting classes
2.  Dude that's been the DC for soon to be 3 of the last 4 National Championships
3.  Dude that the Bama folks really don't want to lose

Not bad on the surface

And a dude that's never coached a game as the head guy. That has to make even the most pro-KS folks nervous. I like the guy personally but I also liked Chizik personally.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 04, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Let's see, If we hire Smart we get:

1.  Dude that's part of the last how many #1 recruiting classes
2.  Dude that's been the DC for soon to be 3 of the last 4 National Championships
3.  Dude that the Bama folks really don't want to lose

Not bad on the surface

4. Dude named after a vacuum cleaner
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 04, 2012, 11:20:31 AM
And a dude that's never coached a game as the head guy. That has to make even the most pro-KS folks nervous. I like the guy personally but I also liked Chizik personally.

Any idea how many of the top programs now have a coach that was hired with no HC experience?

Let me help you out:

Florida, Oregon, Kansas State, Stanford, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida St., Oregon St., Clemson, Nebraska, Louisville, and Northwestern

All hired their last coach without any head coaching experience and all made it to the top 25 this year
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
Any idea how many of the top programs now have a coach that was hired with no HC experience?

Let me help you out:

Florida, Oregon, Kansas State, Stanford, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida St., Oregon St., Clemson, Nebraska, Louisville, and Northwestern

All hired their last coach without any head coaching experience and all made it to the top 25 this year

I really only care about SEC teams and how many of those were in the shitter at the time of the hire?

If you are coming off of a mediocre season, you might get away with it!
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Saniflush on December 04, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
4. Dude named after a vacuum cleaner

Kaos is gonna love that.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
How bad will the AU fanbase meltdown be if AU hires the Clemson OC?  Just curious.

If Smart goes to AU, there will be an epic meltdown of the Alabama fanbase imo.  I will probably be near the front of the line.  Huge, huge blow to the team and recruiting.  As far as the notion that Saban "drives the bus" on defense, that is completely wrong.  Even by Saban's own admission.  He's said numerous times that Smart handles the bulk of the game planning, and calls the defense.  He has also said that Smart understands the defense as well as he (Saban) does, and letting Smart deal with it really frees Saban up to handle other aspects of the team.  Alabama isn't paying Smart a fuckton of cash and giving him raises every year just to be a figurehead.  Saban wants him at Alabama to run the defense.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 04, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Any idea how many of the top programs now have a coach that was hired with no HC experience?

Let me help you out:

Florida, Oregon, Kansas State, Stanford, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida St., Oregon St., Clemson, Nebraska, Louisville, and Northwestern

All hired their last coach without any head coaching experience and all made it to the top 25 this year

Stop with your silly logic and facts.  They have no place in this debate. We go only on opinion and unsubstantiated rumor here.   
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Any idea how many of the top programs now have a coach that was hired with no HC experience?

Let me help you out:

Florida, Oregon, Kansas State, Stanford, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida St., Oregon St., Clemson, Nebraska, Louisville, and Northwestern

All hired their last coach without any head coaching experience and all made it to the top 25 this year

Florida - Was Texas' HC in Waiting Til He Didn't Want to Wait any longer. First year was rocky, second year much better.
Oregon - Brought in by the last HC to architect the offense, been there for years
Kansas State - Was there before and was brought back; you are mistaken.
Georgia - Was a hot "get" at the time from the Bowden tree
Oklahoma - Considered by many the reason Steve Spurrier has a championship ring.
Florida St. - Was coach in waiting til they didn't want to wait anymore. Clearly someone saw him do something. Plus, did Bobby do anything the last few years?
Nebraska - How's that working out for them?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUJarhead on December 04, 2012, 11:31:55 AM
Florida - Was Texas' HC in Waiting Til He Didn't Want to Wait any longer. First year was rocky, second year much better.
Oregon - Brought in by the last HC to architect the offense, been there for years
Kansas State - Was there before and was brought back; you are mistaken.
Georgia - Was a hot "get" at the time from the Bowden tree
Oklahoma - Considered by many the reason Steve Spurrier has a championship ring.
Florida St. - Was coach in waiting til they didn't want to wait anymore. Clearly someone saw him do something. Plus, did Bobby do anything the last few years?
Nebraska - How's that working out for them?

And for all those "success" you listed, you could list how many people with no head coaching experience, put in a Big time program, and what they did.

Charlie Wies at Notre Dame
Mike Shula at Alabama
Randy Shannon at Miami

Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 04, 2012, 11:36:39 AM
And for all those "success" you listed, you could list how many people with no head coaching experience, put in a Big time program, and what they did.

Charlie Wies at Notre Dame
Mike Shula at Alabama
Randy Shannon at Miami

And I can list 1 coach with head coaching experience, that has never won a MNC, can't beat Bama, quit on the Falcons before the season was over, gave a job to his fuck buddy, lied to his bosses about it, and can't seem to find a job ANYWHERE

Do you guys really want to be that team that hitches their wagon to Petrino?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Stop with your silly logic and facts.  They have no place in this debate. We go only on opinion and unsubstantiated rumor here.
Numbers schmumbers. That's the thing I like about this place. I've done a lot of research this week on the coaching search at other www places and it would take at least 4 of those
Message  board posters to equal me in football knowledge. But they aren't quick to call me a motherfucker.

Here, any two of you combined get very close to my prowess, although I've been called a motherfucker a lot more. I appreciate the football intellect here. It's stimulating.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
And for all those "success" you listed, you could list how many people with no head coaching experience, put in a Big time program, and what they did.

Charlie Wies at Notre Dame
Mike Shula at Alabama
Randy Shannon at Miami
In all fairness to Shula, it really wasn't his fault that Alabama was stupid enough to hire him as a HC. 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2012, 11:41:03 AM
Numbers schmumbers. That's the thing I like about this place. I've done a lot of research this week on the coaching search at other www places and it would take at least 4 of those
Message  board posters to equal me in football knowledge. But they aren't quick to call me a motherfucker.

Here, any two of you combined get very close to my prowess, although I've been called a motherfucker a lot more. I appreciate the football intellect here. It's stimulating.
Motherfucker.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 11:49:55 AM
How bad will the AU fanbase meltdown be if AU hires the Clemson OC?  Just curious.

If Smart goes to AU, there will be an epic meltdown of the Alabama fanbase imo.  I will probably be near the front of the line.  Huge, huge blow to the team and recruiting.  As far as the notion that Saban "drives the bus" on defense, that is completely wrong.  Even by Saban's own admission.  He's said numerous times that Smart handles the bulk of the game planning, and calls the defense.  He has also said that Smart understands the defense as well as he (Saban) does, and letting Smart deal with it really frees Saban up to handle other aspects of the team.  Alabama isn't paying Smart a fuckton of cash and giving him raises every year just to be a figurehead.  Saban wants him at Alabama to run the defense.
Not the play calling dumbass.

The coaching, the practices, the philosophy, the process. Aighhhtee???
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
How bad will the AU fanbase meltdown be if AU hires the Clemson OC?  Just curious.

If Smart goes to AU, there will be an epic meltdown of the Alabama fanbase imo.  I will probably be near the front of the line.  Huge, huge blow to the team and recruiting.  As far as the notion that Saban "drives the bus" on defense, that is completely wrong.  Even by Saban's own admission.  He's said numerous times that Smart handles the bulk of the game planning, and calls the defense.  He has also said that Smart understands the defense as well as he (Saban) does, and letting Smart deal with it really frees Saban up to handle other aspects of the team.  Alabama isn't paying Smart a fuckton of cash and giving him raises every year just to be a figurehead.  Saban wants him at Alabama to run the defense.

You are not the only bama I have heard this from...ahem
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 11:55:42 AM
I really only care about SEC teams and how many of those were in the shitter at the time of the hire?

If you are coming off of a mediocre season, you might get away with it!

Muschamps resume is unreal. He was also in a HCIW situation as was Fisher. Auburn is also in a unique situation of being in the sec west and our main rival is a juggernaut at the moment. We are also going to need someone who can rebuild a lot of fundamentals in these players with little rool for error. Many of those other schools had a little more slack for OTJ hc training. And I'm not saying KS won't be a good coach but moreso I'm not sure we can afford a gamble on a guy who has never been a hc, in OUR situation.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Just a point of order, but don't all coaches get a HC job somewhere before they were a HC. Saban wasn't born a HC was he?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 11:58:12 AM
Again I'm not rooting for Smart. But none of us know how any coach would do at our program.  All of the names mentioned are a gamble.  Some just have better odds then others.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
Just a point of order, but don't all coaches get a HC job somewhere before the were HC. Saban wasn't born a HC was he?

Yes but they usually work there way up to a big name school. Most don't go straight from OC or DC to hc of Notre Dame or Bama. Not successfully anyway. Those that AUTR pointed out are the exceptions.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 11:59:34 AM
Muschamps resume is unreal. He was also in a HCIW situation as was Fisher. Auburn is also in a unique situation of being in the sec west and our main rival is a juggernaut at the moment. We are also going to need someone who can rebuild a lot of fundamentals in these players with little rool for error. Many of those other schools had a little more slack for OTJ hc training. And I'm not saying KS won't be a good coach but moreso I'm not sure we can afford a gamble on a guy who has never been a hc, in OUR situation.

Why do you use all those fancy words to say what I done said?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 12:01:15 PM
Yes but they usually work there way up to a big name school. Most don't go straight from OC or DC to hc of Notre Dame or Bama. Not successfully anyway. Those that AUTR pointed out are the exceptions.
I don't really have the time, but I bet you more than you think. I can add.

Bill O'Brien
Chris Petersen
Gary Patterson
Bobby Petrino
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
I really want a good hot dog right about now. I'll be in Montgomery today. Any recommendations? There's always Sonic but I want something good.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
I don't really have the time, but I bet you more than you think. I can add.

Bill O'Brien
Chris Petersen
Gary Patterson
Bobby Petrino

Big schools. Besides fla state and fla (who were both well prepped as HCIWs) We are a big school in a very unique situation right now. It's a lot easier to cut your teeth as a hc at tcu or Oregon or Boise than an sec pressure cooker. The comparisons just aren't valid.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 12:04:29 PM
I don't really have the time, but I bet you more than you think. I can add.

Bill O'Brien
Chris Petersen
Gary Patterson
Bobby Petrino

But what kind of situation did they step into? Like was said before, if it was a situation where you had a somewhat stable program, then fine, take that chance. That is what we did with Chizik. But here we not only have a coaching cluster, but a revolt by the players too. A big gamble may just work out. Who knows.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
Again I'm not rooting for Smart. But none of us know how any coach would do at our program.  All of the names mentioned are a gamble.  Some just have better odds then others.
This is how I feel. Any hire is a gamble. I've only seen one hire I would classify as a homerun and it was Satan--and I didn't think it was a homer when they made it. But it turned out to be. Pat Dye was way down AU's list after we failed on Dooley and others. He turned out pretty damn good.

Maybe AU didn't think they could afford the risk of the BP baggage and maybe couldn't afford the $ for Patterson. It ain't always based on resume and shouldn't be.

I'm good with whoever in the hell we get because at that point he's already been got.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 12:06:00 PM
But what kind of situation did they step into? Like was said before, if it was a situation where you had a somewhat stable program, then fine, take that chance. That is what we did with Chizik. But here we not only have a coaching cluster, but a revolt by the players too. A big gamble may just work out. Who knows.

You just summed up nicely why we are a different situation than those. Fla with boom is the closest really.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: chinook on December 04, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
I really want a good hot dog right about now. I'll be in Montgomery today. Any recommendations? There's always Sonic but I want something good.

you like penis? 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
I really want a good hot dog right about now. I'll be in Montgomery today. Any recommendations? There's always Sonic but I want something good.
Surely you jest. Chris' Hot Dogs on Dexter downtown. Legendary. Over 100+ years. Say no kraut unless you like that disgusting stuff. They r the best I ever done had.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
Surely you jest. Chris' Hot Dogs on Dexter downtown. Legendary. Over 100+ years. Say no kraut unless you like that disgusting stuff. They r the best I ever done had.

Totally forgot about that hole in the wall. I'll will hit that up for sure. Thanks, WT.



Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2012, 12:08:19 PM
Big schools. Besides fla state and fla (who were both well prepped as HCIWs) We are a big school in a very unique situation right now. It's a lot easier to cut your teeth as a hc at tcu or Oregon or Boise than an sec pressure cooker. The comparisons just aren't valid.

#21 Louisville - Playing in a BCS Bowl
#19 Boise State - 10-4
TCU had a down year, and problems with drugs
Penn State - 8-4 (decimated Program)

What do all the schools have in common...all had infinitely better years then our supposed big school.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 04, 2012, 12:08:37 PM
Again I'm not rooting for Smart. But none of us know how any coach would do at our program.  All of the names mentioned are a gamble.  Some just have better odds then others.

I'm warming up to him.

I think many fear he'll be another Chizik because we don't know who he is.  However, I seriously doubt a coach that has been trained by Nick Saban is going to take his players to the waterpark on his first day on the job. 

Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
I'm warming up to him.

I think many fear he'll be another Chizik because we don't know who he is.  However, I seriously doubt a coach that has been trained by Nick Saban is going to take his players to the waterpark on his first day on the job.

Hey. Have you ever been to the water park? My kids love that place. And the owners there do not like you disparaging that loving act.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 12:15:22 PM
#21 Louisville - Playing in a BCS Bowl
#19 Boise State - 10-4
TCU had a down year, and problems with drugs
Penn State - 8-4 (decimated Program)

What do all the schools have in common...all had infinitely better years then our supposed big school.

Yes I know what they are ranked right now. But those are all mid level schools (besides psu) in shitastic conferences with much less pressure, expectations and competition when those coaches took over. Besides, Like cct said, it's more about the situation our team is in. We have a team in quit mode infighting and on the verge of total collapse. The question is: can we afford to take a gamble on a guy who has never led a team, and charge him with fixing it? My guy feeling just says no. Nothing personal against KS.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 04, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
Something else about Smart - Do you think he's the type of guy to fall in love with Auburn and be an Auburn guy for his career? 

Let's say we hire him, and he is successful.  Very successful and rather quickly.  He's 36 years old.

Would we have to worry about him jumping ship?

Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Saniflush on December 04, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
I really want a good hot dog right about now. I'll be in Montgomery today. Any recommendations? There's always Sonic but I want something good.

Go to Chris'. 

http://www.chrishotdogs.com/
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUChizad on December 04, 2012, 12:35:17 PM
Something else about Smart - Do you think he's the type of guy to fall in love with Auburn and be an Auburn guy for his career? 

Let's say we hire him, and he is successful.  Very successful and rather quickly.  He's 36 years old.

Would we have to worry about him jumping ship?
Yes.

Georgia is his dream job.

Auburn is Petrino's dream job.

Kirby will either be an epic fail (Where I'd lay all my money) or a success. Either way, we're right back where we started in 3-4 years. At least with the latter, hopefully someone will be able to pick up the pieces a little easier. I'm certainly hoping for that.

I just do not think Smart is the right move at this point in our history. If this was coming off of Tuberville's last season, maybe.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: djsimp on December 04, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
Lets say Petrino does get the HC position. Who does he bring in as the DC? Tracy Rocker?

Now, lets say it is Kirby Smart. Who would he hire as the OC?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Token on December 04, 2012, 12:44:49 PM
I'll go on record once.  I really, really, really hope it isn't Smart.  The guy has a fantastic defense.  Yeah, it's Saban, but it's been pointed out, Smart knows the defense better than anyone.  And, he recruits the fuck out of Georgia, where we have pulled a lot of talent. 

I don't want to play against him in the SEC, and I don't want to recruit against him.  AND, I like him so much, it'll be hard for me to hope for Auburn's demise while he is there. 

It's wishful thinking, but I hope he stays around a few more years, until Saban leaves, then takes over at Bama. 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 04, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
Yes.

Georgia is his dream job.

Auburn is Petrino's dream job.

Kirby will either be an epic fail (Where I'd lay all my money) or a success. Either way, we're right back where we started in 3-4 years. At least with the latter, hopefully someone will be able to pick up the pieces a little easier. I'm certainly hoping for that.

I just do not think Smart is the right move at this point in our history. If this was coming off of Tuberville's last season, maybe.

Chad,

No disrespect intended, but please stop.

Do you really believe that AU is Petrino's "dream Job"?  If he had not been fired from Arkansas, he would only be looking at us if we were going to give him a trunk full of money.  If he does get the job, he will be here until someone else decides to give him a trunk full of money.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
Chad,

No disrespect intended, but please stop.

Do you really believe that AU is Petrino's "dream Job"?  If he had not been fired from Arkansas, he would only be looking at us if we were going to give him a trunk full of money.  If he does get the job, he will be here until someone else decides to give him a trunk full of money.
I know that I will only be here until someone gives me a trunk full of money. Then, fuck you all.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Token on December 04, 2012, 12:58:25 PM
I know that I will only be here until someone gives me a trunk full of money. Then, fuck you all.

How about an ass full of dick?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 04, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
How about an ass full of dick?

I'm thinking he already has that.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 01:03:16 PM
How about an ass full of richard?
No, but thanks for the offer.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: bottomfeeder on December 04, 2012, 01:07:34 PM
Rumors abound on the facebooks - TIFWIW:

Quote
REPOSTING INFO:
Ok here is a few Tidbits from Phone Call from "Source" lol Thx SR

1.Petrino is out ,No Oc,No HC
2.If Gundy is new TN HC Trooper and Luper are thought to follow (I thought Gundy was being considered for the Arky job?)
3.Grimes,Martinez,Thig Thought to apply with new coach
4.Unless ALOT of people are wrong...Kirby Smart is the new HC
5.Kirby has who he wants as OC ,It was laid out in Interview
6.BVG is thought to pursue FSU job..
As he said all of this can change by the hour , But this is the talk around the athletic dept..

Nothing about Boulware?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 04, 2012, 01:19:16 PM
Rumors abound on the facebooks - TIFWIW:

Nothing about Boulware?

If it is Kirby, do we make him take it now and hit the ground running. Tell turds to FO?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Jumbo on December 04, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
I'm burning everything Auburn that I own if we dont hire Petrino.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: noxin on December 04, 2012, 01:24:24 PM
If it is Kirby, do we make him take it now and hit the ground running. Tell turds to FO?

We wait until a couple of weeks into January, and then claim the MNC for Auburn using bammer logic
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 01:26:12 PM
I'm burning everything Auburn that I own if we dont hire Petrino.
Don't forget to take it off first.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Jumbo on December 04, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
Don't forget to take it off first.
Didn't think that far ahead.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: djsimp on December 04, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
Don't forget to take it off first.

 :bugs:
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2012, 01:38:07 PM
Didn't think that far ahead.

Hope you didn't start with the thong.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AWK on December 04, 2012, 01:38:53 PM
I have a trunk full of dead hookers.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2012, 01:39:21 PM
How about an ass full of dick?

You now have vandy vols full attention.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: djsimp on December 04, 2012, 01:41:43 PM
I have a trunk full of dead hookers.

Ha ha! You didn't count on my loyal army of prostitutes, did you?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: HSVBeerNerd on December 04, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
We wait until a couple of weeks into January, and then claim the MNC for Auburn using bammer logic

QFT

IF they hired Smart.. why not pursue BP as an OC??? A first time HC in the hardest division in FBS to clean up the worst mess in the SEC. Oh man doesn't it sound like a winning combination?? Also I think Smart is a little spoiled with getting the 4 and 5 star talent on defense.. bammer usually looks like garbage against a spread or air raid offense that's worth a damn.

I'm a nobody.. and in no way shape or form claim to know or guess what one would be thinking.. but I would've guessed that Bo would've preferred Charlie Strong for multiple reasons. Oh well, with JJ involved I wouldn't be surprised if someone's "skreetz" claimed we were hiring the corpse of Captain Kangaroo.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2012, 02:06:29 PM
Oh well, with JJ involved I wouldn't be surprised if someone's "skreetz" claimed we were hiring the corpse of Captain Kangaroo.

Only because Mr. Green Jeans turned us down first.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: jmar on December 04, 2012, 02:08:55 PM
Don't know if the proported offer of 3.2M for Smart is correct seeing how Malzahn commanded such a large figure by his last year as the OC.


Has Auburn purposely lowballed Smart entirely for show knowing he won't accept?
And what will Saban say?

This is Malzahn money. Just find it a peculiar number at the going rate in this league.

Jughead never intended to make a splash hire, never seriously interviewed bigger names and is going to fuck Auburn over again. He could get lucky but the Auburn HC job is better than this.

BOBBY PETRINO SHOULD BE ON THE A LIST, not a fallback guy when no real head coaching experience is in the mix.

Nice job Jacobs. :facepalm:



 

 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
I have heard or read three different coaches named as our new head coach in the last five minutes by different Montgomery outlets.

  #winning
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2012, 02:11:20 PM
Considering that Alabama hired Saban for $4 million per year in 2007, I wouldn't say that $3.2 million is a lowball offer for a guy who has never been a HC.  If AU is paying Smart that much money, then your AD is a fucktard. 

Oh, wait....
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: jmar on December 04, 2012, 02:12:10 PM
I have heard or read three different coaches named as our new head coach in the last five minutes by different Montgomery outlets.

  #winning
But can they all get along?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 04, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
I have heard or read three different coaches named as our new head coach in the last five minutes by different Montgomery outlets.

  #winning

But can they all get along?

As fucked up as we are-We may need all three.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
Hey what ever happened to Shawn Watson?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: CCTAU on December 04, 2012, 02:22:12 PM
I have heard or read three different coaches named as our new head coach in the last five minutes by different Montgomery outlets.

  #winning

They are inviting them all to AU and then announcing the winner on live TV.

Oh. I'm sorry. That's NYC and a different award.


Carry on!
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: jmar on December 04, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
Considering that Alabama hired Saban for $4 million per year in 2007, I wouldn't say that $3.2 million is a lowball offer for a guy who has never been a HC.  If AU is paying Smart that much money, then your AD is a fucktard. 

Oh, wait....
Concur and Jacobs is lowrating Auburn by not making a hire that pays top dollar. Understand my comment has nothing to do with the B and C list coaches aspiring for a top notch job but how Jacobs is failing to set the bar high by talking to more experienced winning HCs.

 
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
Concur and Jacobs is lowrating Auburn by not making a hire that pays top dollar. Understand my comment has nothing to do with the B and C list coaches aspiring for a top notch job but how Jacobs is failing to set the bar high by talking to more experienced winning HCs.

This
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 04, 2012, 02:31:07 PM
Hey what ever happened to Shawn Watson?

If JJ is really the final say, this is far more of a possibility than you'd think.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: jmar on December 04, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
Hey what ever happened to Shawn Watson?
He was just an ice breaker before we plunge out of sight.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: The Six on December 04, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
He was just an ice breaker before we plunge out of sight.
That's what I was afraid you'd say
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 04, 2012, 02:35:20 PM
They are inviting them all to AU and then announcing the winner on live TV.

Oh. I'm sorry. That's NYC and a different award.


Carry on!

They are going to do the hat trick like all the recruits do
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 04, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
I'm guessing that they couldn't come to terms with Smart (despite his supposedly not being offered) and now they will move to Malzahn. Malzahn will likely take it but if he didn't, next up would have to be Petrino. I can't believe Morris gets hired over Petrino. I neve thought Smart would take it anyway.

I'm thinking the biggest hurdle we must overcome is the perception that JJ is a puppet and won't hand over the keys to let the new HC run the program. I wonder why that perception exists? Petrino may even turn it down. It be sounding bleak to me.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: noxin on December 04, 2012, 02:51:40 PM
Hey what ever happened to Shawn Watson?

Already said no
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 04, 2012, 03:21:54 PM
Get ready for Gus if you believe Mark Murphy over at Scout.  FML!
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: bottomfeeder on December 04, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
I hate this shit. Why can't JJ find a great coach and keep him. You know? Like the turds did. Now, I'm hearing Malzahn has passed up Smart in the race. Where the fuck is LSUFreek or Aulteredego when you need him?
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: bottomfeeder on December 04, 2012, 03:25:35 PM
Considering that Alabama hired Saban for $4 million per year in 2007, I wouldn't say that $3.2 million is a lowball offer for a guy who has never been a HC.  If AU is paying Smart that much money, then your AD is a fucktard. 

Oh, wait....

Thank you for reinforcing the obvious.
Title: Re: Tuesday Rumor Mill: Kirby, Step Right Up
Post by: HSVBeerNerd on December 04, 2012, 03:28:47 PM
As fucked up as we are-We may need all three.

A triumvirate of head coaching fuckery.. I SAY GO WITH IT!!!