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Title: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: JR4AU on October 30, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
Too little, too late from this staff.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: noxin on October 30, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
Chiz trying to destroy one more kid's career before he gets out the door
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: JR4AU on October 30, 2012, 12:40:58 PM
So if Frazier had a grasp on let's say 50% of the offense, it's safe to presume Moseley had maybe 30%. What's Wallace got? 10%? maybe 15%

I feel for the dude. Getting thrown to the wolves...err Aggies.

Don't think it's grasping the offense that's the issue.  It's total inability to act like a fucking QB, make reads, and make throws, watching the rush, and going all fetal is the problem.  And not getting protection.  Maybe much coaching from this staff hasn't rubbed off on Wallace yet, and he'll actually play.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 30, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
I don’t know that he is not doing that to put a few more butts in the stands this weekend and next. Let’s say he comes out has a good game and we (what is that word I am looking for? I forget) but we put more points on the board than they do. A certain amount of folks get excited and come to the UGA game to watch. The young lad then gets fed to the lions.

Not that he cares but I would have more repect for chizdouce if he just came out and said we are trying anything new we can come up with.

Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUChizad on October 30, 2012, 12:58:47 PM
Every time I think there's no way we lose (MSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy) we sink to a new low.

Even last week, when I knew for sure we'd lose, we still failed to reach my expectations and sank to yet another low.

I'd like to say that I'd be shocked if we don't cover the 23 points spread against New Mexico State, but I dunno.

Their margin of defeat is just about as ugly as ours, except against much worse competition. May end up being...

THE UGLIEST GAME IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 30, 2012, 01:22:27 PM
Every time I think there's no way we lose (MSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy) we sink to a new low.

Even last week, when I knew for sure we'd lose, we still failed to reach my expectations and sank to yet another low.

I'd like to say that I'd be shocked if we don't cover the 23 points spread against New Mexico State, but I dunno.

Their margin of defeat is just about as ugly as ours, except against much worse competition. May end up being...


 
THE UGLIEST GAME IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE

I am surprized we are not getting more.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 30, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Only move you can make.  They apparently have lost all confidence in Frayzha, and Moseley is the no-talent cowardly lion.  Wallace has obviously improved his passing and I'd like to think that going against NMSU's defense will be similar to the 2's and 3's of A&M he was going against Saturday.  Get him some reps and confidence in a no pressure situation.  Bottom line, it's either this or face two absolute slaughters staying with the status quo of Frayzeley.  The line may pick it up a notch with some success and actually try to protect the guy a little.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: The Prowler on October 30, 2012, 02:59:40 PM
Don't think it's grasping the offense that's the issue.  It's total inability to act like a fucking QB, make reads, and make throws, watching the rush, and going all fetal is the problem.  And not getting protection.  Maybe much coaching from this staff hasn't rubbed off on Wallace yet, and he'll actually play.
^This^
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: The Prowler on October 30, 2012, 03:19:06 PM
Every time I think there's no way we lose (MSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy) we sink to a new low.

Even last week, when I knew for sure we'd lose, we still failed to reach my expectations and sank to yet another low.

I'd like to say that I'd be shocked if we don't cover the 23 points spread against New Mexico State, but I dunno.

Their margin of defeat is just about as ugly as ours, except against much worse competition. May end up being...

THE UGLIEST GAME IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE
Vegas has us as 23 point favorites? Have they been watching the last two games, the players want the season to end with four games remaining.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: jmar on October 31, 2012, 05:36:51 AM
Vegas has us as 23 point favorites? Have they been watching the last two games, the players want the season to end with four games remaining.
Put Tommy Thigpen in charge and dogear this abomination just like Terry Bowden's last season.
There is no point in allowing Chizik to finish. Keeping him around does the program no good whatsoever.
This gives the rats time to jump ship as well.
People that genuinely care about the program need to get out front and start acting like it.

 

     
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: JR4AU on October 31, 2012, 08:21:07 AM
Put Tommy Thigpen in charge and dogear this abomination just like Terry Bowden's last season.
There is no point in allowing Chizik to finish. Keeping him around does the program no good whatsoever.
This gives the rats time to jump ship as well.
People that genuinely care about the program need to get out front and start acting like it.

 

   

Except saving $3Mil on his buyout by waiting a month.  That's not chump change.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: CCTAU on October 31, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Except saving $3Mil on his buyout by waiting a month.  That's not chump change.

This. Why not take a few more lumps and make the university another 3 Mill?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 31, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
This. Why not take a few more lumps and make the university another 3 Mill?

They are going to lose that much is lost revenue this weekend. I figure only 55,000 this weekend at let’s just average each ticket at $85.00 each. That comes out almost 3m right there (ticket sales alone) add in lost concessions, etc.  Can we really afford to keep him around? 

My speculation is that had they fired him after the A&M game, promoted (Whomever) and then got on the ‘We need your support” for this weekend to show you care for the team (Blah-Blah). They would have more folks in the stand. Now because they are staying the course X amount of folks are going to stay away just because of how pissed they are.

This is just my two cents.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 09:55:53 AM
They are going to lose that much is lost revenue this weekend. I figure only 55,000 this weekend at let’s just average each ticket at $85.00 each. That comes out almost 3m right there (ticket sales alone) add in lost concessions, etc.  Can we really afford to keep him around? 

My speculation is that had they fired him after the A&M game, promoted (Whomever) and then got on the ‘We need your support” for this weekend to show you care for the team (Blah-Blah). They would have more folks in the stand. Now because they are staying the course X amount of folks are going to stay away just because of how pissed they are.

This is just my two cents.


The tickets are already sold as far as the university is concerned. University has their money from that.  Now if you want to talk lost concessions or hotel revenue that's something different.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: CCTAU on October 31, 2012, 10:00:58 AM

The tickets are already sold as far as the university is concerned. University has their money from that.  Now if you want to talk lost concessions or hotel revenue that's something different.

Right. And the lack of attendance is not as quantifiable as a $3 mil hit.

Some are talking real dollars and others opportunity costs. Right now, the real dollars are what needs to be saved.

But if they got rid of JJ and CGC tomorrow, I would not bitch about it. 
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 31, 2012, 10:08:24 AM
Where did you guys get your business degrees? Hotels = tax revenue (City of Auburn), concessions = deduct costs in labor, electricity and raw material. Everything has costs before the bottom line is considered, so your numbers are not conservative. Ticket sales yes, but there are costs for the stadium to open before, during and after the game. Add to that maintenance costs, labor, security, etc. It would probably take at least three home games to make up that $3 million you speak of. The the school has to pay the opposing team $400,000+.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 10:11:22 AM
Where did you guys get your business degrees?

The school of hard knocks.


Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 31, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
The school of hard knocks.

Best education one can get....well, at least they won't forget it.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 31, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
The school of hard knocks.

Best education one can get....well, at least they won't forget it.

We gonna be some smart mofo's at the end of the season this year.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: noxin on October 31, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
Except saving $3Mil on his buyout by waiting a month.  That's not chump change.

Word on the streets is the buyout goes down on a prorated basis at ~$200k/month.  The $2.5M number is the difference between December 2011 and December 2012, but the difference between Nov 1st and Dec 1st is only about $200k
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: wesfau2 on October 31, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
The school of hard knocks.

Instead of treated, you get tricked?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUChizad on October 31, 2012, 11:13:08 AM
Word on the streets is the buyout goes down on a prorated basis at ~$200k/month.  The $2.5M number is the difference between December 2011 and December 2012, but the difference between Nov 1st and Dec 1st is only about $200k
^^^^^^This guy reads my posts.^^^^^^^^

The saving $3 mil (or even the closer to accurate 2.5 mil) is a myth. As in not true. As in false.

Auburn pisses $200k.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 11:18:33 AM
Instead of treated, you get tricked?

S&M
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 31, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.

1) You are gonna be hard pressed to sign a coach worth a shit after signing day.

2) Can you imagine the media shitstorm about "AU lying to recruits"?

Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 31, 2012, 11:31:46 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.

I understand why you are saying that, but don't want the be that way. Would rather be up front with the incoming players. Our shitty staff should not be the reason we fuck them over.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Godfather on October 31, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.
That might be the most insane thing you have ever posted.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: RWS on October 31, 2012, 11:35:39 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.
I don't really see how that will do AU any favors in the long run.  It comes across as a bitch move, will piss off recruits, and puts a new coach that much farther behind.  IMO, the second the clock stikes 0:00 after the Iron Bowl, kick his ass to the curb.  Assuming that you guys get somebody worth a shit and that recruits will recognize, the recruiting class will probably hold.  Even if you have 5 guys or so drop off, that shouldn't be difficult for a good coach to overcome and replace.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: GH2001 on October 31, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
Where did you guys get your business degrees? Hotels = tax revenue (City of Auburn), concessions = deduct costs in labor, electricity and raw material. Everything has costs before the bottom line is considered, so your numbers are not conservative. Ticket sales yes, but there are costs for the stadium to open before, during and after the game. Add to that maintenance costs, labor, security, etc. It would probably take at least three home games to make up that $3 million you speak of. The the school has to pay the opposing team $400,000+.

Lost variable revenue from concessions and other things (donations, licensed gear) that are more long term have nothing to do with costs for every game which are fixed. You have no idea the profit turnover for each game do you?

Exactly what degree do you have - Tinfoil College ?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: GH2001 on October 31, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.

You are an absolute moron. This, combined with your incoherent political ramblings makes me glad you are in no position of power on this planet.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 11:44:53 AM
If a move is to be made, it should be the day after the IB, at the latest.  The new staff needs to be able to hit the ground running for the following 2 months on the recruiting trail.  Now, one of the numerous problems we'll face is the status of the coach we hire.  If it's Petrino, best case scenario.  He has no ties and can form his staff and take off.  If it's a Gary Patterson or Charlie Strong or someone currently coaching, the questions are...will the new guy stay and coach the bowl game?  Would they leave but their staff remains to coach the bowl game?  Is that coach going to bring his entire staff with him or will he use all or part of our current staff?

But...if they plan on firing Chizik, do it as soon as the IB final horn sounds and move on.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 31, 2012, 11:49:10 AM
It would behoove the BOTs and president not to do anything until after signing day.

You do realize that once we sign those kids on signing day and if we fired the entire staff, they would have free reign from the NCAA to transfer anywhere they wanted without having to set out?  That Blakely kid we have, yeah, he left b/c of Meyer leaving and Muschamp getting hired. 

That is exactly what we need, sign 25 kids, fire the staff after NSD and then watch 10 to 12 of them walk and we wind up 10 to 12 scholarship players short down the road.   Unless you want us to suck permanently, we could do just that and claim "Auburn Tigers...Forever Young!" as our new cheer.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 11:59:42 AM
You do realize that once we sign those kids on signing day and if we fired the entire staff, they would have free reign from the NCAA to transfer anywhere they wanted without having to set out?  That Blakely kid we have, yeah, he left b/c of Meyer leaving and Muschamp getting hired. 

That is exactly what we need, sign 25 kids, fire the staff after NSD and then watch 10 to 12 of them walk and we wind up 10 to 12 scholarship players short down the road.   Unless you want us to suck permanently, we could do just that and claim "Auburn Tigers...Forever Young!" as our new cheer.

Rod Stewart likes this idea
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: chinook on October 31, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
Rod Stewart likes this idea

bob dylan says fuck you.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 12:12:05 PM
bob dylan says fuck you.

But no one could understand him.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Godfather on October 31, 2012, 12:16:21 PM
You do realize that once we sign those kids on signing day and if we fired the entire staff, they would have free reign from the NCAA to transfer anywhere they wanted without having to set out? That Blakely kid we have, yeah, he left b/c of Meyer leaving and Muschamp getting hired. 

Thats not true. They would have free reign to transfer, as anyone can any year. However they would have to sit out a year. 

Blakely had to sit a year.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: noxin on October 31, 2012, 12:20:00 PM
2) Can you imagine the media shitstorm about "AU lying to recruits"?

Remember how bad they ripped bama for not reporting the textbook scandal until right after signing day?

Oh wait....


Dsiclaimer:  I agree it would be a bitch move, just like to call out the bama media whenever I can
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: chinook on October 31, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Thats not true. They would have free reign to transfer, as anyone can any year. However they would have to sit out a year. 

Blakely had to sit a year.

I understand but our team is getting butt fucked every Saturday.  NCAA has provisions for these types of things. 
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Godfather on October 31, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
I understand but our team is getting butt fucked every Saturday.  NCAA has provisions for these types of things.
What like an Anal Plug?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
What like an Anal Plug?

Hey, don't laugh.  Those things feel really good if you take....wait, I mean....they have to sit out a year.




What?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Tiger Wench on October 31, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
You do realize that once we sign those kids on signing day and if we fired the entire staff, they would have free reign from the NCAA to transfer anywhere they wanted without having to set out?  That Blakely kid we have, yeah, he left b/c of Meyer leaving and Muschamp getting hired. 

That is exactly what we need, sign 25 kids, fire the staff after NSD and then watch 10 to 12 of them walk and we wind up 10 to 12 scholarship players short down the road.   Unless you want us to suck permanently, we could do just that and claim "Auburn Tigers...Forever Young!" as our new cheer.

I think the "no sitting out" part comes if the school is put on probation - a la Penn State - that's how their guys all got to transfer out without penalty.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 31, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
Hey, don't laugh.  Those things feel really good if you take....wait, I mean....they have to sit out a year.




What?

My wife is reading 50 Shades of Grey right now, she is to that part where that device has come into play. She has been talking about this book since she started reading it and telling me about it, I half way listen and pay attention when she gets to the sex parts. The mentioned 'Anal Plug" and got my full attention. I just don't know if she meant it for her or me and I am afraid to ask.  :haha:
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 01:02:30 PM
My wife is reading 50 Shades of Grey right now, she is to that part where that device has come into play. She has been talking about this book since she started reading it and telling me about it, I half way listen and pay attention when she gets to the sex parts. The mentioned 'Anal Plug" and got my full attention. I just don't know if she meant it for her or me and I am afraid to ask.  :haha:

Want me to ask her for you?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Godfather on October 31, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
My wife is reading 50 Shades of Grey right now, she is to that part where that device has come into play. She has been talking about this book since she started reading it and telling me about it, I half way listen and pay attention when she gets to the sex parts. The mentioned 'Anal Plug" and got my full attention. I just don't know if she meant it for her or me and I am afraid to ask.  :haha:
Someone Buzz told me it was for her.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 31, 2012, 01:07:27 PM
Someone Buzz told me it was for her.

He would know. He just would not remember.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUChizad on October 31, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
Rod Stewart likes this idea
bob dylan says fuck you.
Alphaville says fuck the whole lot of ya.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: chinook on October 31, 2012, 01:37:50 PM
Alphaville says fuck the whole lot of ya.

don't you have a plane to catch?
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: CCTAU on October 31, 2012, 01:39:12 PM
don't you have a plane to catch?

Prepare for a water landing.....
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 01:41:49 PM
Prepare for a water landing.....

That sounds vaguely like crashing into the ocean.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: CCTAU on October 31, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
That sounds vaguely like crashing into the ocean.

See pic of La Guardia in the Sandy thread.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Saniflush on October 31, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
See pic of La Guardia in the Sandy thread.

George Carlin is crying.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 31, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
Thats not true. They would have free reign to transfer, as anyone can any year. However they would have to sit out a year. 

Blakely had to sit a year.
I think the "no sitting out" part comes if the school is put on probation - a la Penn State - that's how their guys all got to transfer out without penalty.

Correct.  I thought Blakey sat a year b/c he was injured.  I was thinking they had to already be enrolled in classes to make them sit a year.
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Godfather on October 31, 2012, 03:15:22 PM
Correct.  I thought Blakey sat a year b/c he was injured.  I was thinking they had to already be enrolled in classes to make them sit a year.
Nope the moment the ink is dry on the fax machine is a binding contract.  They must sit a year no matter the circumstances, unless the NCAA grants them a waiver like they did with Penn State.

That is why many media have been saying it isn't fair for a kid to have to sit a year when a coach can just up and leave whenever he wants.  Their argument is that a kid should be allowed to transfer and not have to sit.  I don't agree with that, because that brings up a whole new set of problems.  Teams trying to recruit constantly from other schools.

However, I do think that if a coaching change does happen, kids should be allowed to look elsewhere and not have to sit. 
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 31, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
Correct.  I thought Blakey sat a year b/c he was injured.  I was thinking they had to already be enrolled in classes to make them sit a year.



                                                                                                  :haha:
Title: Re: Wallace gets the start Sat.
Post by: AUTiger1 on October 31, 2012, 03:20:36 PM


                                                                                                  :haha:

Oh shut up, like you knew.