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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on October 17, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
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there's no way we keep Chizik. Just my rant saying what's already been said. I know a change needs to be made. I’ve accepted that Chizik is not the man for the job and it’s not going to be much/any better if he’s given another year to right the ship. The results, or lack thereof, on the field speak for themselves. But why has it gotten to this point? Simple. Practice...we talkin' bout practice...not a game...not a game....we talkin' bout practice.
We’ve been hearing reports about how the practices are run from several different sources, including people here on this board. And now that I think about it, I'm convinced they're spot on. I’ve been to 4 practices with Chizik at the helm and I really never paid that much attention to the intensity or how they were run because I was the wide-eyed kid in the candy shop. Just walking around going, “Cool, there’s Lutz….whoa, look at Trooper cutting up with the players…I have a porn-stache right in front of me.â€
But looking back, there’s never been any tackling. The only tackling they’ve ever done was in some scrimmaging with the 2’s and 3’s. Otherwise, they stay broken up in groups and work with their respective units. This year, I admit that Chizik was an intense mofo, but it was mostly directed at the QB (Wallace) and the tempo. It was apparent that they were running a hurry up to get the D ready for Climpsum, but funny thing about that was…the first team D stayed on the bench the entire time. There were no 1’s involved in any scrimmage situation with the exception of Frazzers throwing some passes.
I've heard many a player say the games were a like a vacation after practicing all week under Pat Dye. My very limited exposure tells me it's the exact opposite under Chizik. I believe the players are unprepared for the speed and intensity of the actual game and they're getting their collective asses handed to them on Saturdays because of it. I actually hated this tradition but anyone recall when Dye refused to allow his players to shake the opponents' hand after the game. Win or lose, get your asses off the field. That's the enemy. Hated that practice but it was more evidence of how Pat Dye approached the game and how he demanded his players play and approach the game.
Everything begins and ends with preparation and I think Gene Chizik just flat out doesn't get it. His methods don't work...period. Brian Van Gorder may be the best defensive mind in the game. But his defense is going to practice the way Gene Chizik wants them to. If Gene doesn't want them to hit mother fuckers til they bleed, if he doesn't want to demand that they run tackling drills til they either get it right or drop, if he doesn't snatch Jake Holland by his face mask and say do it right or fucking transfer, it doesn't matter what kind of corch Van Gorder is. They are ALL going to prepare the way Gene Chizik wants them to. It's his show. So, if we keep Chizik and get all these great recruits in here...again...they're still going to come out of the tunnel with the same attitude, the same lack of intensity, the same preparation. They'll be bringing a knife to a gun fight. He's got to go.
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Please explain how 2010 happened then. Was it really just Cam and Smokes Farley being bad asses that carried this team?
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Please explain how 2010 happened then. Was it really just Cam and Smokes Farley being bad asses that carried this team?
It happened with 24 seniors who had been there, done that. Add to that, juniors Cam Newton, Nick Fairley and Darvin Adams. Add to that, Gus Malzahn calling plays with real talent to work with. Even the coaches said time and time again when they got down in a game....and they got down a lot....that they didn't have to do anything different, no changes made. They said the players just stayed calm and knew what they had to do. That's senior leadership. The piss poor tackling was just as evident in 2010 as it is today.
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Please explain how 2010 happened then. Was it really just Cam and Smokes Farley being bad asses that carried this team?
I'm beginning to believe that. In 2010 we had at least two guys that knew what the hell to do, now we have eleven of them running around in eleven different directions on the same play. Nobody seems to know what going on, including the coaches. Time to dump Cheezit while we can.
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The story of Paul Rhoades stopping practice and going back to Tackling 101....the article in 09' quoting Josh Bynes saying, "We don't tackle here. Everyone just tries knock someone off their feet with the big hit". The worst stretch of defense in Auburn history. All tell me Gene Chizik does not know how to prepare his players to play the game at this level.
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I'm beginning to believe that. In 2010 we had at least two guys that knew what the hell to do, now we have eleven of them running around in eleven different directions on the same play. Nobody seems to know what going on, including the coaches. Time to dump Cheezit while we can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKYAVniC4DA
Omac on defense?
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I've heard many a player say the games were a like a vacation after practicing all week under Pat Dye. My very limited exposure tells me it's the exact opposite under Chizik. I believe the players are unprepared for the speed and intensity of the actual game and they're getting their collective asses handed to them on Saturdays because of it. I actually hated this tradition but anyone recall when Dye refused to allow his players to shake the opponents' hand after the game. Win or lose, get your asses off the field. That's the enemy. Hated that practice but it was more evidence of how Pat Dye approached the game and how he demanded his players play and approach the game.
In his early years (1 and 2) I think he put them through hell because it was all new. By the mid 80s it was not hell. But it was hard. There were a good bit of walk-ons who played hard and was always taking it to the edge. Fights broke out almost daily. Not cut your throat fights, but fights out of frustration because nobody ever took a play off. This made the team solid. And the scout teams never got a break. It was WFO every day. There was a gritty edge to the teams then. Guys played smash mouth football along with being talented.
It was the off-season that Dye killed you in. By the time spring rolled around, you were glad to see winter go.
I think today's athlete is a bit different in that most show up having been the dominant player most of the time. The fight in the dog (overall) seems to be less. The talent is better, but the fight is not the same. I don't know if that is coaching, or a product of the times. Or a product of the type player being recruited.
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I think today's athlete is a bit different in that most show up having been the dominant player most of the time. The fight in the dog (overall) seems to be less. The talent is better, but the fight is not the same. I don't know if that is coaching, or a product of the times. Or a product of the type player being recruited.
D. These coaches not putting the fight in the dog...
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Michael Vick as the next Auburn coach!!
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Michael Vick as the next Auburn coach!!
I think we have the turnover thing already mastered.
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Michael Vick as the next Auburn coach!!
+52
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+52
Actually it is -13
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Let's hire this dude.
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Let's hire this dude.
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The cost of doughnuts alone would break the bank.
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Let's hire this dude.
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The good news for you guys is that he would probably eat Nick Saban.
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The good news for you guys is that he would probably eat Nick Saban.
Mangino takes shits bigger than Nick Saban. And with more personality.
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Mangino takes shits bigger than Nick Saban. And with more personality.
Post of the week.
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Post of the week.
It had substance.
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It happened with 24 seniors who had been there, done that. Add to that, juniors Cam Newton, Nick Fairley and Darvin Adams. Add to that, Gus Malzahn calling plays with real talent to work with. Even the coaches said time and time again when they got down in a game....and they got down a lot....that they didn't have to do anything different, no changes made. They said the players just stayed calm and knew what they had to do. That's senior leadership. The piss poor tackling was just as evident in 2010 as it is today.
Those 24 had also been made in to football players by the previous staff. Developed, as it were. Add Cam, and Rocker to develop Fairley...you got a football team. Malzahn had all the toys he needed to have his way with even the best defenses. Chiz's "steady as she goes" mentality weathered the off the field shit, and that same attitude is going to cost him his job today, when we need fire and brimstone, and someone willing to make hard decisions and changes.
Snaggie, great post, and spot on IMHO.
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I'll throw another log on the coaching fire.
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Ken Niumatalolo from Navy.
Would bring the Triple Option here as well as a lot of intense class. Led Navy to three bowls in four full seasons which is a major accomplishment. 35-24 overall. I like the dude.
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I'll throw another log on the coaching fire.
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Ken Niumatalolo from Navy.
Would bring the Triple Option here as well as a lot of intense class. Led Navy to three bowls in four full seasons which is a major accomplishment. 35-24 overall. I like the dude.
Let me lead the "that won't work in the SEC" parade.
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Let me lead the "that won't work in the SEC" parade.
And this stuff Loeffler runs does?
Just saying.
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I'll throw another log on the coaching fire.
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Ken Niumatalolo from Navy.
Would bring the Triple Option here as well as a lot of intense class. Led Navy to three bowls in four full seasons which is a major accomplishment. 35-24 overall. I like the dude.
Absolutely not. What's his name over at Georgia Tech (former Navy coach - great success there) couldn't make the triple option work in the ACC. It would do even worse here in the SEC.
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Absolutely not. What's his name over at Georgia Tech (former Navy coach - great success there) couldn't make the triple option work in the ACC. It would do even worse here in the SEC.
That would be Paul Johnson.
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That would be Paul Johnson.
Losing season this year = can't coach = Triple won't work in the SEC
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I'll throw another log on the coaching fire.
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Ken Niumatalolo from Navy.
Would bring the Triple Option here as well as a lot of intense class. Led Navy to three bowls in four full seasons which is a major accomplishment. 35-24 overall. I like the dude.
we all know you like semen but that triple option isn't a sensible option. bucko
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I'll throw another log on the coaching fire.
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Ken Niumatalolo from Navy.
Would bring the Triple Option here as well as a lot of intense class. Led Navy to three bowls in four full seasons which is a major accomplishment. 35-24 overall. I like the dude.
Could he also bring some Samoans and Tongans? :bite:
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Absolutely not. What's his name over at Georgia Tech (former Navy coach - great success there) couldn't make the triple option work in the ACC. It would do even worse here in the SEC.
Plus, he owns Army, and if Auburn is going to suck, at least we have the streak against the Black Knights to look forward to.
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Plus, he owns Army, and if Auburn is going to suck, at least we have the streak against the Black Knights to look forward to.
Gets it.
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Plus, he owns Army, and if Auburn is going to suck, at least we have the streak against the Black Knights to look forward to.
War Eagle & Anchors Aweigh Baby
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Plus, he owns Army, and if Auburn is going to suck, at least we have the streak against the Black Knights to look forward to.
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I hate gays, too.
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I hate gays, too.
And Charity workers.
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Kyle Whittingham - UTAH
68–29 Overall, 7-1 in Bowls including whipping the sainted midget's team in the 2008 Sugar Bowl.
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Wasn't there another corch from Utah that went to an SEC school a few years ago? Can't quite place the name....Erwin....Irby....
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Wasn't there another corch from Utah that went to an SEC school a few years ago? Can't quite place the name....Erwin....Irby....
Urban Meyer...he coaches at Ohio State now...
Dumb ass...
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Urban Meyer...he coaches at Ohio State now...
Dumb ass...
Don't make me punch you in the throat
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Coarch Meyers led the Gators to the National Championship, behind the gusty play of Percy Harvins.
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Don't make me punch you in the throat
Elbow. Don't make you elbow him in the throat.
Get it right. That is Internet badassery and it's serious bidness.
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Urban Meyer...he coaches at Ohio State now...
Dumb ass...
He can't coach.
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He can't coach.
Neither can ours and we have proof.
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Maybe we should hire Snoop Dogg since he's the guy that coached De'Anthony Thomas (Oregon's speedster) when he was a kid. At least our coach would be cool. And when the media popped off at him, he'd pull a gat and blast a foo.
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Elbow. Don't make you elbow him in the throat.
Get it right. That is Internet badassery and it's serious bidness.
Damn it. I'm just not getting the hang of this innerweb thuggery thing. BTW, just got back from the Elephant where I was served by said ginger.
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Kyle Whittingham - UTAH
68–29 Overall, 7-1 in Bowls including whipping the sainted midget's team in the 2008 Sugar Bowl.
Oooooo - not sure why I have never noticed the Hotness factor present in this guy.
Put him in a black leather AU jacket...
He just went to #1 on my "WANT" list... and he might be a good coach too.
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Oooooo - not sure why I have never noticed the Hotness factor present in this guy.
Put him in a black leather AU jacket...
He just went to #1 on my "WANT" list... and he might be a good coach too.
Mormons...
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Mormons...
But they love the Tongans.
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War Eagle & Anchors Aweigh Baby
War Damn Goats!
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Mormons...
One is about to be elected President.