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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on October 09, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-100912/the-bmoc-surveys-manti-teo-season-trends-gene-chizik-heisman-race-more
Funny how they weren't hearing this logic when they were using Cam to belittle Auburn. Now, suddenly, it's valid.
Gene Chizik: Dead coach walking
The SEC is your leading content provider for national championships and melodrama. Someone's always getting fired, hired, rumored to be fired, rumored to be hired or, when in doubt, just rumored.
The rumor that seems to be metastasising at an alarmingly fast rate is this one: Auburn's Gene Chizik could be canned at season's end and replaced by Mr. Integrity himself, Bobby Petrino.
If you'll excuse me for a moment, I'm going to go get an MRI. I think I just cracked my rib cage from laughing.
Really? Again with the Petrino-to-Auburn stuff? Didn't everyone learn their lesson the last time, when the school secretly interviewed Petrino when he was at Louisville and Tommy Tuberville was still, you know, the actual Auburn coach?
The mere idea of it is so preposterous, so absurd … that it makes perfect sense in the SEC.
Chizik is under serious duress at Auburn -- Land of Lost Memories. It doesn't seem to matter anymore that Chizik led the school to a BCS Championship in 2010. To some Tigers fans, 2010 is the same as 1910.
Chizik, they say, won with Cam Newton. Without him, Chizik is another coach with a whistle and a courtesy car.
Yes, he won a national title with Newton. But guess what? So did Urban Meyer with Tim Tebow. And Mack Brown with Vince Young. And Pete Carroll with Matt Leinart.
That's how it works. The better the player, the better the coach you are.
Right now, Auburn is 1-4 and doesn't have enough good football players. And if they do have them, they're too young to make a difference.
The offensive line is a mess with two freshmen and two sophomore starters. Sophomore quarterback Kiehl Frazier is a work in progress, which is a nice way of saying, it isn't going well. And the small senior class doesn't have any difference-making vocal leaders.
Auburn is dead last (120th) in turnover margin and tackles for losses allowed. It is tied for 118th in turnovers lost and tied for 110th in sacks allowed. And it just lost to Arkansas. Not only lost, but lost 24-7 to a team that was at the brink of its own meltdown.
So Auburn followers want their pound of flesh and, well, Chizik has some meat on his bones, right?
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I'd say that about sums it up.
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So Auburn followers want their pound of flesh and, well, Chizik has some meat on his bones, right?
You calling my coach fat?
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99% of the time, I'd be lambasting fans for acting like we've been acting.
But it's blatantly obvious to those of us paying attention. And then the fact that the exact same bullshit was going on at Iowa State only makes it worse.
We need to cut him loose, take the punches, regroup, and come back in two-three years with a respectable program.
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What the fuck? He is 1 - 4 with 3 years of top recruiting...
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Here's the rest of the article on Auburn:
Dead coach walking -- Part II
Maybe this is a good time to mention that Chizik has a reported $7.5 million buyout. That's a lot of money to make someone go away. Plus, you've got to hire the next guy and pay him a lot of money too.
Chizik is 9-9 since winning that national championship. Meanwhile, Auburn's Lex Luthor -- Nick Saban of Alabama -- led the Tide to a BCS championship last season (as well as in 2009) and has Bama positioned to win another one this season.
Saban is also a recruiting machine. Bama has commitments from nine 2013 prospects in the ESPN150 rankings. But Auburn is no slouch. The Tigers have commitments from three of the top eight and five in the top 129 of that ESPN150 list.
Of course, there are too many Auburns fans with the patience of a puppy. They yap on the radio shows. In the chat rooms. On the blogs. Chizik must go.
But unless Auburn suffers an absolute banana republic collapse, Chizik isn't likely to go anywhere. And by collapse, I mean go 0-for-SEC. Even then, I'm not totally convinced athletic director Jay Jacobs would fire him -- though, an 0-8 league record that included, say, a season-ending woodshed loss at Bama, might do the trick.
If Auburn did fire Chizik, then what? Would it actually hire Petrino?
If it were up to Jacobs, doubtful. Jacobs is known within the walls of Auburn as a church-going, moral guy who might find Petrino's past on the distasteful side. Then again, coaching searches make strange bedfellows.
As Chizik raised that crystal BCS trophy on Jan. 10, 2011, there's no way he thought he might have to worry about his job status 22 months later. But the SEC is a merciless, unforgiving league. And its fans, especially those from Auburn, are in the mood to blame.
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Gene W can suck a fat one for singling out Auburn fans as being some lunatic fringe (probably getting his talkign points from Finebaum.
But here's the glaring issue, Gene: But unless Auburn suffers an absolute banana republic collapse
That's EXACTLY what we're suffering! This is a complete collapse. Worried about 0-fer in the SEC? I'm worried about not going 1-11!
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Fuck whoever wrote this article. They imply we are impatient assholes bitching for no reason... This team is fucking terrible on both sides of the ball, players are not being developed properly, and we are 1 -4 (could be 0 - 5).
Fuck You, this shit is bad.
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It's a stupid take from an entity far removed. Everyone, except Prowler, sees this isn't just a decent team on the rise that's gotten a few bad breaks, and could be3-2 maybe. This team was lucky to get the OT win it got vs ULM. That simply doesn't calculate when you factor in the last 3 years recruiting. They were young last year. Yeah, young this year, but not as young, yet there's no progress being made. In fact they're going backwards. Those close to the program, Rob Pate, my skreetz source, are seeing the same things. No intensity, no fire, no sense of urgency. They're confused by the seeming "lack of talent" when we've had 3 great recruiting classes, and the one 4 years ago was still a top 20 class.
Here's the conclusion I've come to. Malzahn saw what was coming. Bad though it was last year, he managed to squeeze all the offense he could out of very little talent at QB, a bad attitude having RB in Dyer, and a TRUE Fr. laden OL. Loeffler would have trouble scoring consistently vs air. The critics were right. Malzahn was making it work. Set offensive records with Todd...the defense cost us at least 3 of the 5 losses from my memory, where we got leads, then blew them. Made the most of Cam, and won it all. And managed to win 8 last year with a QB worse than Frazier. People were pissed at the dropoff in offense last year? I'd kill to have that much now. Now? He's gone, and this is what we have. It really was all Malzahn IMHO. He left because it was in his best interests, even for a lesser job, because Chizik was eventually going to drag him down and ruin any chances he had at being a HC.
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It's a stupid take from an entity far removed. Everyone, except Prowler, sees this isn't just a decent team on the rise that's gotten a few bad breaks, and could be3-2 maybe. This team was lucky to get the OT win it got vs ULM. That simply doesn't calculate when you factor in the last 3 years recruiting. They were young last year. Yeah, young this year, but not as young, yet there's no progress being made. In fact they're going backwards. Those close to the program, Rob Pate, my skreetz source, are seeing the same things. No intensity, no fire, no sense of urgency. They're confused by the seeming "lack of talent" when we've had 3 great recruiting classes, and the one 4 years ago was still a top 20 class.
Here's the conclusion I've come to. Malzahn saw what was coming. Bad though it was last year, he managed to squeeze all the offense he could out of very little talent at QB, a bad attitude having RB in Dyer, and a TRUE Fr. laden OL. Loeffler would have trouble scoring consistently vs air. The critics were right. Malzahn was making it work. Set offensive records with Todd...the defense cost us at least 3 of the 5 losses from my memory, where we got leads, then blew them. Made the most of Cam, and won it all. And managed to win 8 last year with a QB worse than Frazier. People were pissed at the dropoff in offense last year? I'd kill to have that much now. Now? He's gone, and this is what we have. It really was all Malzahn IMHO. He left because it was in his best interests, even for a lesser job, because Chizik was eventually going to drag him down and ruin any chances he had at being a HC.
And him bailing to Arkansas State is starting to make sense...
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And him bailing to Arkansas State is starting to make sense...
Yep, that's what I said.
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Chizad...to the twatters. Battle!!!
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I know many don't care for Herk Birdskreetz. To me, he's one of the few intelligent and rational analysts out there. I don't give a shit if he pimps THE Ohio State University more than he should but hell, if I played QB for Auburn, I'd be slipping them the tongue too. Pretty much tells it like it is here. Anywho....copypasta al.com
Mike Herndon | mherndon@al.comIt's not surprising that Auburn's offense has had its issues this year, ESPN college football analyst Kirk Herbstreit said Tuesday. But what happened Saturday against Arkansas not even he could explain.
"The game last week was the first time I've been really surprised," Herbstreit said on an ESPN teleconference Tuesday. "The game against Arkansas was a shocker to me. ... Not only did (Auburn) not win the game, they didn't compete."
Auburn posted 321 yards but turned the ball over five times and found the end zone just once in a 24-7 loss to an Arkansas team that had lost four straight and has the worst defense in conference.
Herbstreit said it's no surprise that Auburn's transition from Gus Malzahn's spread offense to the pro-style attack of new coordinator Scot Loeffler has been bumpy. The Tigers have a quarterback in Kiehl Frazier who grew up running a spread offense and was recruited to run Malzahn's spread at Auburn. And, Herbstreit added, they don't have the true power back that's customary in pro-style attacks.
"I think anybody would be able to tell you the next year or two would be some growing pains," he said. "You've recruited quarterbacks and skill people for (the spread). Now you're going to try to run a pro-style offense. That's a tough thing to do."
Herbstreit stopped short of laying the blame at head coach Gene Chizik's feet, noting that Chizik "inherited a veteran team" and was blessed with the superlative ability of Cam Newton in 2010. Now is a different story, he said.
As to what it all means for Chizik, Herbstreit said we need to see how Auburn responds through the rest of the season to determine that.
"I have a lot of respect for his ability to recruit and his ability to coach," Herbstreit said of Chizik, who is now 9-9 since the national championship year of 2010. "I don't have any answers. A lot is going to be predicated on what happens here this next six or seven weeks.
"They've got to get back and compete. What they did last Saturday is embarrassing."
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And him bailing to Arkansas State is starting to make sense...
Let's bring him back.
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Let's bring him back.
wizzerd
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Here's the rest of the article on Auburn:
Yeah, followed by:
4. BMOC flop of the week
The finalists: Auburn (the Tigers committed five turnovers and gave up eight sacks to a team that had been outscored, 110-10, in its first two SEC games); Florida State (the Seminoles were up 16-0 at half and apparently thought NC State would call it a night); Georgia (a no-show against South Carolina); Arizona (blew a 14-point lead in the last 6:34 of the fourth quarter against Stanford and then lost in OT).
And the flopper is ... Auburn.
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Yeah, followed by:
I'm sure we will be in their Bottom 10 tomorrow, too.
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Yeah, I'm going with the 8 sacks and 5 turnovers as my winner too.
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Yeah, followed by:
Right but Auburn fans are ridiculous for being worried about their program.
What a hack. And he's one of their more prominent writers.
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Right but Auburn fans are ridiculous for being worried about their program.
What a hack. And he's one of their more prominent writers.
Yep, it's just taking an unnecessary shot at AU. Name one school playing in a BCS conference (Who has actually had a history of success...not Baylor) whose fans wouldn't be pissed right now and calling for a change.
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Yep, it's just taking an unnecessary shot at AU. Name one school playing in a BCS conference (Who has actually had a history of success...not Baylor) whose fans wouldn't be pissed right now and calling for a change.
There isn't one.
But because a few people in the media buy into the bammer-led "little brother syndrome," they see this as an opportunity to make fun.
Punks. All of em!
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There isn't one.
But because a few people in the media buy into the bammer-led "little brother syndrome," they see this as an opportunity to make fun.
Punks. All of em!
Ed Zachary. Why the need to write a piece on Chizik and include the obligatory "Look how great Lord Saybinz and the Unwashed are doing"?
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Let's bring him back.
Lets not and pretend we didn't.
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Lets not and pretend we didn't.
I'm open to discussion on the point. Here is my list:
Patterson
Petrino
Malzahn.
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I'm open to discussion on the point. Here is my list:
Patterson
Petrino
Malzahn.
So what you are saying is you want a shitty defense?
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So what you are saying is you want a shitty defense?
I think Patterson would do just fine.
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So what you are saying is you want a shitty defense?
First choice =
I think Patterson would do just fine.
I think Petrino and Malzahn ought to be handcuffed to BVG. Fuck 'em if they don't like it.
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I think Patterson would do just fine.
I'm just giving him shit. I'm ok with Patterson, I'm quasi ok with Petrino. Do not want Malzahn.
My problems with Petrino are a bit different than what K was saying. I don't have a problem with him cheating on his wife. That is his deal, whatever. My problem with Petrino was all he cares about is himself, does the fact that he cheated on his wife have anything to do with his coaching skills...no, but then again ask Arkansas how they feel about it.
Dude not only fucked that girl but his whole team, they suck with out him and that is the main problem I have with him. He cares for one thing Petrino.
I am also not overly crazy about the shit storm we would get from the media and negative recruiting. It is already bad enough I really don't want for it to get worse.
Patterson, Strong, and possibly Smart
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I'm open to discussion on the point. Here is my list:
Patterson
Petrino
Malzahn.
. Patterson might be pluckable. TCU is struggling right now. No QB anymore and fifteen freshmen have started this year. Have had some character issues on team besides stoner drunken QB. Not the year they were expecting. The Big 12 is tough but not as prestigious anymore. The SEC would for sure be a step up. He is kind of Sabanesque - not a lot of personality. Reputation for asshole behavior. Has a process. But good coach. Would for sure need CBVG.
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. Patterson might be pluckable. TCU is struggling right now. No QB anymore and fifteen freshmen have started this year. Have had some character issues on team besides stoner drunken QB. Not the year they were expecting. The Big 12 is tough but not as prestigious anymore. The SEC would for sure be a step up. He is kind of Sabanesque - not a lot of personality. Reputation for asshole behavior. Has a process. But good coach. Would for sure need CBVG.
Sounds like just the man for the job. We need a strong personality. He created that defense. Don't recall the name of his DC.
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Everyone that is screaming â€fire all of the coaches†are the lunatic fringe fans.
On second thought, thank God I'm part of the 1% that doesn't jerk at the knee. Thank God, I'm among those that wants Coach Chizik to try and fix the problem, instead of wanting to chop off everyone's head...regardless if improvement is made (btw, it's being made on the Defensive side of the ball, the Offensive side needs a little more time and patience, but I'm not sure if Coach Loeffler is in over his head trying to fix it all by himself...which is why Coach Chizik is going to help out).
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Everyone that is screaming â€fire all of the coaches†are the lunatic fringe fans.
On second thought, thank God I'm part of the 1% that doesn't jerk at the knee. Thank God, I'm among those that wants Coach Chizik to try and fix the problem, instead of wanting to chop off everyone's head...regardless if improvement is made (btw, it's being made on the Defensive side of the ball, the Offensive side needs a little more time and patience, but I'm not sure if Coach Loeffler is in over his head trying to fix it all by himself...which is why Coach Chizik is going to help out).
A 99% fringe. Got it.
Moron.
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Everyone that is screaming â€fire all of the coaches†are the lunatic fringe fans.
On second thought, thank God I'm part of the 1% that doesn't jerk at the knee. Thank God, I'm among those that wants Coach Chizik to try and fix the problem, instead of wanting to chop off everyone's head...regardless if improvement is made (btw, it's being made on the Defensive side of the ball, the Offensive side needs a little more time and patience, but I'm not sure if Coach Loeffler is in over his head trying to fix it all by himself...which is why Coach Chizik is going to help out).
I think we need to fire some fans.
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A 99% fringe. Got it.
Moron.
Anomaly
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Everyone that is screaming â€fire all of the coaches†are the lunatic fringe fans.
On second thought, thank God I'm part of the 1% that doesn't jerk at the knee. Thank God, I'm among those that wants Coach Chizik to try and fix the problem, instead of wanting to chop off everyone's head...regardless if improvement is made (btw, it's being made on the Defensive side of the ball, the Offensive side needs a little more time and patience, but I'm not sure if Coach Loeffler is in over his head trying to fix it all by himself...which is why Coach Chizik is going to help out).
THE LUNATIC FRINGE MAJORITY!
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I think we need to fire some fans.
Don't get your torch to close to your Jheri Curls.
I'll say again, I'm happy to be the 1% (rational, logical & realistic) if the 99% are like most here.
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ESPN column-
Gene Chizik: Dead coach walking
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-100912/the-bmoc-surveys-manti-teo-season-trends-gene-chizik-heisman-race-more
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ESPN column-
Gene Chizik: Dead coach walking
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-100912/the-bmoc-surveys-manti-teo-season-trends-gene-chizik-heisman-race-more
Water is indeed wet.
http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19662.0 (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19662.0)
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Water is indeed wet.
http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19662.0 (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=19662.0)
Damn if it ain't!
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I'm open to discussion on the point. Here is my list:
Patterson
Petrino
Malzahn.
Ok
No
No
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Ok
No
No
This
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I'm open to discussion on the point. Here is my list:
Patterson
Petrino
Malzahn.
Discussion:
Patterson: Would have no problem whatsoever with him. Can't sit here and tell you I know exactly what "schemes" he runs on either side of the ball. I see a Horney Toad game about once every 2 years. But, his success speaks for itslef.
Petrino: My only reservation with Bobby MF Petrino is what GF alluded to.....the initial media shit storm that would rain down on us. I'd like to say "Screw that" but that ain't the case. We get butt-hurt right here on the X if Scabinskee writes something negative. However, if he were to come here and win, all that goes away and the world is unicorns and orange/blue rainbows again.
Malzahn: Not yet. I've never been a huge fan of promoting assistants to HC positions at major D1 programs. Yes, I know there's a ton of success stories but I just want to see a body of work where the guy has been in charge of the entire program before I turn the reins over to him. Malzahn is in his first year at the helm and I'd really like to see how he handles it before he's considered.
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Patterson
Strong
Rhoades
I would have no issues with any of the three.
If we hire BMFP, then we (the total AD) has to take a "we don't give a fuck what you think" approach to the media and then fans. We would have to embrace what the media already perceives us to be. That we are a truly a bunch of thugs and we would have to not care. I just don't see us doing that. I am not totally opposed to hiring him, but he isn't on my short list of candidates either.
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I would really like Charlie Strong, he has done a good job of rebuilding Louisville. He is a defensive coach who has succeed everywhere he has been. He seems to have a hard nosed attitude and approach (which I think we need). He was on my wish list when we hired Chizik, but at that time was a coordinator. From what I have heard he is a very good recruiter.
I think if we weren't to go after him, he ends up at either Arkansas or UT after this year.
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I would really like Charlie Strong, he has done a good job of rebuilding Louisville. He is a defensive coach who has succeed everywhere he has been. He seems to have a hard nosed attitude and approach (which I think we need). He was on my wish list when we hired Chizik, but at that time was a coordinator. From what I have heard he is a very good recruiter.
I think if we weren't to go after him, he ends up at either Arkansas or UT after this year.
If you call him well-spoken or articulate, I'm gonna' donkey punch you in the jimmies.
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Dude not only fucked that girl but his whole team, they suck with out him and that is the main problem I have with him. He cares for one thing Petrino.
This is pretty much how I feel. He has shown this character as far back as I can remember.
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If you call him well-spoken or articulate, I'm gonna' donkey punch you in the jimmies.
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Orbit + 3 pigs - birffin' a baby
Bow + Man in a box/window/hollering
Pear + tickle (Particle?)
A deranged deer
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Bobby Petrino, some numbers and facts, aside from the off the field matters.
Never beat Alabama.
2008: 2-3 vs ranked teams. The 2 wins vs Tulsa, and Auburn. Lost 52-10 to #7 TX. Scoring Def. Rank: 92 Recruiting Ranking 36th.
2009: 1-4 vs ranked teams. Lost 35-7 to #3 Bammer. Def. Rank: 58 Recruiting Ranking: 16th (with 31 in the class)
2010:3-3 vs ranked teams. Lost 65-43 to #12 Auburn. Def.Rank: 47, Recruiting Ranking: 49th
2011: 4-2 vs ranked teams. Lost 38-14 to #3 Bammer, and 41-17 to #1 LSU, Def. Rank: 33, Recruiting Ranking: 24th
2012: Recruiting Ranking 34th.
Ark. scheduled 3 patsies a season. Against the highest level of competition (top 10 teams) he was 2-7, and frequently was blown out. Had at least one loss in each season by 21+. By comparison, Houston Nutt's recruiting classes were consistently ranked 25-30, so he didn't even recruit as well as Nutt.
Tidbits from Lousville: Lost 37-7 to an unranked Memphis, and was blown out 49-28 by #14 Miami of Ohio in his first year, and finished the season with the #72 Defense. In his second season, went 11-1, lost 41-38 to #3 Miami. Gave up 27+ points 5 games, including 49 to an unranked Memphis team, Def. ranked 24th. Year 3 went 9-3, with a 45-14 loss to unranked South Florida and defense rank 47th. Year 4, 12-1, #4 L'ville lost at #14 Rutgers 28-25.
The way I see Petrino? The offensive minded version of Tommy Tuberville, with a little twist. Petrino beats just about everybody he should, but rarely gets an upset win, and is frequently blown out by highly ranked teams. Could he recruit better to Auburn? Probably, but we all know recruiting can fall off at Auburn if it's not tended to, and he clearly isn't the best recruiter in the world.
So, you Petrino pimps will be happy winning 10, but never getting over the hump, and having to suffer 3 TD losses to highly ranked opponents at least once each year? Losses where, many times, not only is the defense ass raped, but his high powered offense fails him too? That's his body of work. Not talking one year or 2, but 8 years as a HC. You'll be happy with a guy that doesn't care about defense, and even in winning will frequently be in a shootout?
Malzahn? Unproven as a HC, but here's what you'd get. A guy that I personally heard make the following statement: "When running this offense, you can't be concerned with defensive statistics". Think back to 2009. Set offensive records, shittastic defense. All offenses have off days, or do like we did that season, build quick leads, then stall. With no defense, we blew several leads that year, and the only way an offensive minded HC can win a championship is to be assured of outscoring any and every body. Now, it doesn't take Cam Newton to make that offense effective, but it takes Cam Newton to assure you it will never ever break down completely. Hell, even Tony Franklin will tell you defense wins championships.
I'm with GF on this and offensive minded HCs. I love offense, but not at the expense of defense. And you got some of these guys out there that don't give a shit about defense. Petrino and Malzahn are 2 such coaches.
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Orbit + 3 pigs - birffin' a baby
Bow + Man in a box/window/hollering
Pear + tickle (Particle?)
A deranged deer
Hydrogen + Pigs - P(ea) = Higgs
Bow + General Zod trapped in the phantom ZONE = BoZone = Boson
Pear = tickle = Peartickle = Particle
Higgs Boson Particle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b5xL8epJSo
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So bring Bobby in and give him $1.5 mil to be our offensive coordinator. Game, set, match.
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I'm with GF on this and offensive minded HCs. I love offense, but not at the expense of defense. And you got some of these guys out there that don't give a shit about defense. Petrino and Malzahn are 2 such coaches.
Agree 100% I love offense too, however...
9.6 times out of 10 defense wins championships. The rest are bong resin and anomalies.
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So bring Bobby in and give him $1.5 mil to be our offensive coordinator. Game, set, match.
How much of that will going to the (soon) to be ex-wife?
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Agree 100% I love offense too, however...
9.6 times out of 10 defense wins championships. The rest are bong resin and anomalies.
You really think it's as high as 93%?
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You really think it's as high as 93%?
12/13ths
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You really think it's as high as 93%?
It's science!
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So bring Bobby in and give him $1.5 mil to be our offensive coordinator. Game, set, match.
Yes.
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I would really like Charlie Strong, he has done a good job of rebuilding Louisville. He is a defensive coach who has succeed everywhere he has been. He seems to have a hard nosed attitude and approach (which I think we need). He was on my wish list when we hired Chizik, but at that time was a coordinator. From what I have heard he is a very good recruiter.
I think if we weren't to go after him, he ends up at either Arkansas or UT after this year.
Considering the school and what he has to recruit against, I think he and his staff are doing a solid job at recruiting. Not to mention they seem to have that team going in the right direction.
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Bobby Petrino, some numbers and facts, aside from the off the field matters.
Never beat Alabama.
2008: 2-3 vs ranked teams. The 2 wins vs Tulsa, and Auburn. Lost 52-10 to #7 TX. Scoring Def. Rank: 92 Recruiting Ranking 36th.
2009: 1-4 vs ranked teams. Lost 35-7 to #3 Bammer. Def. Rank: 58 Recruiting Ranking: 16th (with 31 in the class)
2010:3-3 vs ranked teams. Lost 65-43 to #12 Auburn. Def.Rank: 47, Recruiting Ranking: 49th
2011: 4-2 vs ranked teams. Lost 38-14 to #3 Bammer, and 41-17 to #1 LSU, Def. Rank: 33, Recruiting Ranking: 24th
2012: Recruiting Ranking 34th.
Ark. scheduled 3 patsies a season. Against the highest level of competition (top 10 teams) he was 2-7, and frequently was blown out. Had at least one loss in each season by 21+. By comparison, Houston Nutt's recruiting classes were consistently ranked 25-30, so he didn't even recruit as well as Nutt.
Tidbits from Lousville: Lost 37-7 to an unranked Memphis, and was blown out 49-28 by #14 Miami of Ohio in his first year, and finished the season with the #72 Defense. In his second season, went 11-1, lost 41-38 to #3 Miami. Gave up 27+ points 5 games, including 49 to an unranked Memphis team, Def. ranked 24th. Year 3 went 9-3, with a 45-14 loss to unranked South Florida and defense rank 47th. Year 4, 12-1, #4 L'ville lost at #14 Rutgers 28-25.
The way I see Petrino? The offensive minded version of Tommy Tuberville, with a little twist. Petrino beats just about everybody he should, but rarely gets an upset win, and is frequently blown out by highly ranked teams. Could he recruit better to Auburn? Probably, but we all know recruiting can fall off at Auburn if it's not tended to, and he clearly isn't the best recruiter in the world.
So, you Petrino pimps will be happy winning 10, but never getting over the hump, and having to suffer 3 TD losses to highly ranked opponents at least once each year? Losses where, many times, not only is the defense ass raped, but his high powered offense fails him too? That's his body of work. Not talking one year or 2, but 8 years as a HC. You'll be happy with a guy that doesn't care about defense, and even in winning will frequently be in a shootout?
Malzahn? Unproven as a HC, but here's what you'd get. A guy that I personally heard make the following statement: "When running this offense, you can't be concerned with defensive statistics". Think back to 2009. Set offensive records, shittastic defense. All offenses have off days, or do like we did that season, build quick leads, then stall. With no defense, we blew several leads that year, and the only way an offensive minded HC can win a championship is to be assured of outscoring any and every body. Now, it doesn't take Cam Newton to make that offense effective, but it takes Cam Newton to assure you it will never ever break down completely. Hell, even Tony Franklin will tell you defense wins championships.
I'm with GF on this and offensive minded HCs. I love offense, but not at the expense of defense. And you got some of these guys out there that don't give a shit about defense. Petrino and Malzahn are 2 such coaches.
Can I ask for chiziks record against ranked and top 10 teams without cam?
Plus he was at Arkansas. I like to think we aren't them. He would recruit better here. Get a slam dunk dc like bvg and you've got a respectable defense. Plus what is his record against us? Just saying.
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Bobby Petrino, some numbers and facts, aside from the off the field matters.
Never beat Alabama.
2008: 2-3 vs ranked teams. The 2 wins vs Tulsa, and Auburn. Lost 52-10 to #7 TX. Scoring Def. Rank: 92 Recruiting Ranking 36th.
2009: 1-4 vs ranked teams. Lost 35-7 to #3 Bammer. Def. Rank: 58 Recruiting Ranking: 16th (with 31 in the class)
2010:3-3 vs ranked teams. Lost 65-43 to #12 Auburn. Def.Rank: 47, Recruiting Ranking: 49th
2011: 4-2 vs ranked teams. Lost 38-14 to #3 Bammer, and 41-17 to #1 LSU, Def. Rank: 33, Recruiting Ranking: 24th
2012: Recruiting Ranking 34th.
Ark. scheduled 3 patsies a season. Against the highest level of competition (top 10 teams) he was 2-7, and frequently was blown out. Had at least one loss in each season by 21+. By comparison, Houston Nutt's recruiting classes were consistently ranked 25-30, so he didn't even recruit as well as Nutt.
Tidbits from Lousville: Lost 37-7 to an unranked Memphis, and was blown out 49-28 by #14 Miami of Ohio in his first year, and finished the season with the #72 Defense. In his second season, went 11-1, lost 41-38 to #3 Miami. Gave up 27+ points 5 games, including 49 to an unranked Memphis team, Def. ranked 24th. Year 3 went 9-3, with a 45-14 loss to unranked South Florida and defense rank 47th. Year 4, 12-1, #4 L'ville lost at #14 Rutgers 28-25.
The way I see Petrino? The offensive minded version of Tommy Tuberville, with a little twist. Petrino beats just about everybody he should, but rarely gets an upset win, and is frequently blown out by highly ranked teams. Could he recruit better to Auburn? Probably, but we all know recruiting can fall off at Auburn if it's not tended to, and he clearly isn't the best recruiter in the world.
So, you Petrino pimps will be happy winning 10, but never getting over the hump, and having to suffer 3 TD losses to highly ranked opponents at least once each year? Losses where, many times, not only is the defense ass raped, but his high powered offense fails him too? That's his body of work. Not talking one year or 2, but 8 years as a HC. You'll be happy with a guy that doesn't care about defense, and even in winning will frequently be in a shootout?
Malzahn? Unproven as a HC, but here's what you'd get. A guy that I personally heard make the following statement: "When running this offense, you can't be concerned with defensive statistics". Think back to 2009. Set offensive records, shittastic defense. All offenses have off days, or do like we did that season, build quick leads, then stall. With no defense, we blew several leads that year, and the only way an offensive minded HC can win a championship is to be assured of outscoring any and every body. Now, it doesn't take Cam Newton to make that offense effective, but it takes Cam Newton to assure you it will never ever break down completely. Hell, even Tony Franklin will tell you defense wins championships.
I'm with GF on this and offensive minded HCs. I love offense, but not at the expense of defense. And you got some of these guys out there that don't give a shit about defense. Petrino and Malzahn are 2 such coaches.
Please. Allow me to retort.
5-19.
Nobody can recruit there. Nobody can win there consistently. He will have better athletes and facilities at Auburn.
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Please. Allow me to retort.
5-19.
Nobody can recruit there. Nobody can win there consistently. He will have better athletes and facilities at Auburn.
So you want Paul Rhodes? I'm ok with that. We could nickname him Rhodey.
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So you want Paul Rhodes? I'm ok with that. We could nickname him Rhodey.
We could have signs - "All Rhoads lead through Auburn."
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Can I ask for chiziks record against ranked and top 10 teams without cam?
Plus he was at Arkansas. I like to think we aren't them. He would recruit better here. Get a slam dunk dc like bvg and you've got a respectable defense. Plus what is his record against us? Just saying.
Speculation on recruiting better. He didn't recruit as well as Nutt did at Ark. And he'd never hire a high profile guy like BVG. Here's his DCs at L'ville and Ark. Willy Robinson, Mike Cassity. Ever heard of either?
I'm sure Chizik's record is as bad or worse. And Petrino would win. Not championships, but he'd win. Maybe get lucky and find a big time QB and win one, maybe, but he has no history of being that coach, just a guy that has, and runs a great offense, scores points, and gets some nice ass on the side. His body of work is win most, get shit stomped by highly ranked teams, and at L'ville, when he lost to Rutgers, he was in the NC hunt, and got upset by them. Why? Offense got shut down in the second half, scoring no points after building a 25-14 halftime lead. Lost 28-25. If you tell me you'd be happy winning most, but never going to Atl., then I'll accept that that is how you feel. That's what we'd get. That said, I'd take that over what we have now for sure. I think we can do better, especially in the character department.
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The humor of pissing off a bunch of cyclones again would almost be worth it.
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Speculation on recruiting better. He didn't recruit as well as Nutt did at Ark. And he'd never hire a high profile guy like BVG. Here's his DCs at L'ville and Ark. Willy Robinson, Mike Cassity. Ever heard of either?
I'm sure Chizik's record is as bad or worse. And Petrino would win. Not championships, but he'd win. Maybe get lucky and find a big time QB and win one, maybe, but he has no history of being that coach, just a guy that has, and runs a great offense, scores points, and gets some nice ass on the side. His body of work is win most, get shit stomped by highly ranked teams, and at L'ville, when he lost to Rutgers, he was in the NC hunt, and got upset by them. Why? Offense got shut down in the second half, scoring no points after building a 25-14 halftime lead. Lost 28-25. If you tell me you'd be happy winning most, but never going to Atl., then I'll accept that that is how you feel. That's what we'd get. That said, I'd take that over what we have now for sure. I think we can do better, especially in the character department.
Chizik had no history of being anything. Yet here we are.
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Chizik had no history of being anything. Yet here we are.
He said he would take it over what we had now.
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The humor of pissing off a bunch of cyclones again would almost be worth it.
Would be a bonus to what I think would be a solid hire. Solid, defensive minded guy. Dude just looks like a HC. And his 3 and a half year run at ISU is as good as any coach has ever done there in modern times.
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We could have signs - "All Rhoads lead through Auburn."
We could always go Rhoad House on the opponent.
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Would be a bonus to what I think would be a solid hire. Solid, defensive minded guy. Dude just looks like a HC. And his 3 and a half year run at ISU is as good as any coach has ever done there in modern times.
He isn't exactly setting the world ablaze, but by year 4 the team shows tremendous improvement. Funny.
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The humor of pissing off a bunch of cyclones again would almost be worth it.
You know I had not considered that but do you think they would finally realize and admit that nobody wants to be in Ames?
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We could always go Rhoad House on the opponent.
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Would be a bonus to what I think would be a solid hire. Solid, defensive minded guy. Dude just looks like a HC. And his 3 and a half year run at ISU is as good as any coach has ever done there in modern times.
Maybe we could offer a trade-CGC for CPR?
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BMFP - Half the Arkansas fans want to hire him back on. He is a top flight coach, but also a top flight asshole. Might have been able to weather the hire a girlfriend and give her $20k storm if he hadn't pissed so many people off anyway, including all the head honchos at the Cotton Bowl. Supposedly he was such an ass in Dallas last year that Arkansas would not be invited back as long as he was the coach. Also, if you are a recruitnik that believes in the star system, then he is not a very good recruiter.
Malazahn - 10 or 20% of Arkansas fans want to hire Malazahn. He has a cult following here that thinks he is the greatest thing in football since Tim Tebow. Personally I'm not a big fan of the spread offense or the HUNH.
Charlie Strong - Considered the front-runner for the Arkansas job. If that's the way we go hopefully our fans of the more redneck-ish variety want to win bad enough to keep their opinions on interracial marriage to themselves. Probably get ugly if he doesn't win pretty quickly.
Butch Davis - Also getting a lot of play since getting cleared by the NCAA. Solid coach but getting a little long in the tooth.
Holgerson - Another good offense but no defense. Also, there are rumors that his off the field conduct would make BMFP blush.
Will be interesting the see what happens at the end of the year. Hopefully Arkansas can figure out the best man for the job and not have to get in a bidding war with Auburn or Tennessee.
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Holgerson - Another good offense but no defense. Also, there are rumors that his off the field conduct would make BMFP blush.
The rumors are rampant - mega booze/gash hound. Think Matthew McConaughey and bongos. Not sure that would work at AU - he can hide it at WV - hillbillies know no different.
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-16/paul-rhoads-iowa-state/52011290/1
ISU money
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-12-16/paul-rhoads-iowa-state/52011290/1
ISU money
And to be honest he prolly really doesn’t want to come in and clean up another CGC mess cluster fuck.
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And to be honest he prolly really doesn’t want to come in and clean up another CGS mess cluster fuck.
Now that he has experience, the second time should be easier
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And to be honest he prolly really doesn’t want to come in and clean up another CGS mess cluster fuck.
who knows?
and this is Patterson's latest contract
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=6000665
and Charlie Strong's
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7119713/charlie-strong-gets-new-7-year-contract-louisville-cardinals
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who knows?
and this is Patterson's latest contract
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=6000665
I don’t how the money works out on this kind of stuff; I just know it’s a lot. But Patterson will always be second fiddle or third fiddle in the BIG 12, as will TCU. He would be an interesting choice.
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The rumors are rampant - mega booze/gash hound. Think Matthew McConaughey and bongos. Not sure that would work at AU - he can hide it at WV - hillbillies know no different.
What exactly is the reason to put yourself in the pressure cooker of big time D1 coaching if not for the benefits of money, pussy, and booze?
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What exactly is the reason to put yourself in the pressure cooker of big time D1 coaching if not for the benefits of money, pussy, and booze?
Signed,
Mike Price
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What exactly is the reason to put yourself in the pressure cooker of big time D1 coaching if not for the benefits of money, pussy, and booze?
Pretty much.
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Signed,
Mike Price
Second by Booby P.
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Second by Booby P.
Hot Arkansas Ass > Destiny.
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Rhoad Head.
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Rhoad Head.
Game.
Set.
Match.