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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on October 07, 2012, 10:10:56 AM
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Thanks, Scarbo. Couldn't have written it better myself:
AUBURN, Alabama - If you lose to a program that had become a laughingstock, what does that make you?
If you lose to a coach that had become a punch line, who’s the joke on now?
If you have an extra week to prepare and you look unprepared, if you have one top-10 recruiting class after another and you pile double-digit defeat on double-digit defeat, if you have to apologize to your fans for the product you put on the field in your fourth year on the job, shouldn’t you be concerned about your job security?
“I’m never concerned about my job security,†Gene Chizik said Saturday. “I’m very comfortable with myself working really hard, and I plan on being at Auburn next year.â€
Those were strong words after one of the weakest efforts of his tenure, but as anyone who knows the history of Auburn football understands, plans can change. Coaches, like jet planes, can come and go.
In the short term, something’s gotta give around here after Arkansas 24, Auburn 7.
It’s getting harder and harder to pin down Chizik’s worst defeat as his team keeps hitting new lows, but letting John L. Smith get the better of you might put this one over the top.
Look at it this way. The Arkansas team that lost to Alabama and Texas A&M by a combined 100 points beat Auburn by 17, and the Tigers never led. In the final 36 minutes, they never got the ball with a chance to take the lead.
The Auburn defense was good for a while but got no help because the offense was bad from the start. The ugly numbers: Eight sacks, five turnovers, seven points. After moving from the booth to the field on game day two weeks ago, there’s no place else for rookie offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler to go.
Auburn changed quarterbacks at halftime, subbing Clint Moseley for Kiehl Frazier, but that move felt more like desperation than inspiration. Arkansas pulled away in the fourth quarter for its first win in 35 days, and most of the Auburn fans walked away long before the final whistle.
“I didn’t see the fans leave,†Chizik said, “but I don’t blame them.â€
Many of them wouldn’t say the same about him.
As bad as this defeat was, the worst part for Chizik is it wasn’t an outlier. It was the latest evidence of a disturbing trend.
Auburn has lost its last five SEC games, three of them this year, by a combined score of 151-48. Auburn didn’t score more than 14 points in any of those games and surrendered less than 24 in only one of them - and still lost.
Since winning the national championship, Auburn is now 9-9 overall. Since proving itself the best team in the nation, Auburn now has the worst record in the SEC.
In 21 months, Chizik has piloted this program from first to worst, and there were precious few signs Saturday that things are going to get much better anytime soon. At 1-4, the Tigers have to beat everyone left on the schedule but Georgia and Alabama just to finish 6-6 and stagger into a bowl game.
What are the odds that Chizik can stop the bleeding quickly enough to hurdle even that low bar? It seems more likely that the Tigers are going to finish with a losing record and test Pat Dye’s theory about Chizik’s job security.
On Wednesday, the former Auburn coach told an Arkansas radio show that Chizik wouldn’t be in danger of losing his job even if his team didn’t win another game this year.
Three days later, the Tigers looked perfectly capable of doing just that - running the table, backward.
What does it say about a coach when he gets two votes of confidence in one week - one from himself, the other from his benefactor - and that’s double his number of victories on the season?
It says talk is cheap, and never mind that his buyout is expensive to the tune of $7.5 million. What does it cost to go from rebuilding to watching the building come apart brick by brick?
http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2012/10/gene_chizik_pilots_auburn_from.html#incart_river_default
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I feel sick.
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Keep in mind, we're talking about historic lows. Worst Auburn team of all time. You hear that? THE WORST? That's not just "Let's bitch about our coach and wish for a new one" type of shittiness.
There should be a mob with pitchforks and torches. Burn it all down!
I'd say the loss to Arkansas is the bottom of the barrel, but we aren't finished yet. Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are next.
And don't you dare start talking about how awful it will be to go 3-9. New Mexico State and Auburn are probably even, and don't look now, but Alabama A&M is 6-0.
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Two things:
When is the last time an Auburn football team lost to both Miss schools?
And
What do CGC and updyke have in common?
They kill things in Auburn. :facepalm:
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I think I'm just going to throw up now and later. :pee: on it.
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When is the last time an Auburn football team lost to both Miss schools?
1992? My freshman year at Auburn.
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Maybe dye knows something:
What are the odds that Chizik can stop the bleeding quickly enough to hurdle even that low bar? It seems more likely that the Tigers are going to finish with a losing record and test Pat Dye’s theory about Chizik’s job security.
On Wednesday, the former Auburn coach told an Arkansas radio show that Chizik wouldn’t be in danger of losing his job even if his team didn’t win another game this year.
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I can strongly disagree with Dye. If Chizik goes win 0'fer on the remaining schedule, he will not be here the next. At least thats what common sense tells me. I imagine that what will happen though is there will be a different OC for next year and Van Gorder will probably be given more choices on who the assistants are on
the defensive side of the ball. Auburns history with coaches tells me this, not common sense.
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I can strongly disagree with Dye. If Chizik goes win 0'fer on the remaining schedule, he will not be here the next. At least thats what common sense tells me. I imagine that what will happen though is there will be a different OC for next year and Van Gorder will probably be given more choices on who the assistants are on
the defensive side of the ball. Auburns history with coaches tells me this, not common sense.
If you or I did our jobs as shitty as Chizik is doing is, we'd be out tomorrow.
Going 0-8 is simply not fucking acceptable.
Even in 98, we beat Ole Miss. This is far far worse than 1998.
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If you or I did our jobs as shitty as Chizik is doing is, we'd be out tomorrow.
Going 0-8 is simply not fucking acceptable.
Even in 98, we beat Ole Miss. This is far far worse than 1998.
I do agree with you, its not acceptable but like I said, my statement is based on Auburns history of
dealing with coaches. I'm just not going to let my imagination create some sort of reality of
expectations that we will be looking at a whole new coaching staff for 2013.
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I agree with you. If we're going to get a new OC next year, and have some sort of magic number (let's say 8 wins) in our heads that Chizik will need to keep his job into 2014, with road games at LSU, Arkansas, aTm, and UGA, it will be very difficult to hit 8 wins. So we would fire him next year, and in '14 have another new OC? Aren't we back to "rebuilding" if that's the case?
This makes zero sense to me.
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I agree with you. If we're going to get a new OC next year, and have some sort of magic number (let's say 8 wins) in our heads that Chizik will need to keep his job into 2014, with road games at LSU, Arkansas, aTm, and UGA, it will be very difficult to hit 8 wins. So we would fire him next year, and in '14 have another new OC? Aren't we back to "rebuilding" if that's the case?
This makes zero sense to me.
makes perfect sense to me based on what I heard told y'all several weeks ago. When we get a new OC how much patience will we have to have next year?
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I agree with you. If we're going to get a new OC next year, and have some sort of magic number (let's say 8 wins) in our heads that Chizik will need to keep his job into 2014, with road games at LSU, Arkansas, aTm, and UGA, it will be very difficult to hit 8 wins. So we would fire him next year, and in '14 have another new OC? Aren't we back to "rebuilding" if that's the case?
This makes zero sense to me.
It doesn't make sense and its one part of being an Auburn that has frustrated me in the past. I'm damn tired of these rebuilding years.
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makes perfect sense to me based on what I heard told y'all several weeks ago. When we get a new OC how much patience will we have to have next year?
I'm all out of patience. You know one of the things that sucks about all of this is after many years of
lackluster recruiting, we have finally seen several years of bringing in top tier talent. Now that we have
this said talent, we have a coaching staff that doesn't seem to know what to do with it.
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makes perfect sense to me based on what I heard told y'all several weeks ago. When we get a new OC how much patience will we have to have next year?
This is where I am at. We are fucked for at least the next 2 years, regardless. Chizik hasn't shown me anything to right the ship. Time to cut bait.
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This is where I am at. We are fucked for at least the next 2 years, regardless. Chizik hasn't shown me anything to right the ship. Time to cut bait.
Agree with most everyone here but nothing happens with Dye crony Jay Jacobs in the way.
Sadly, a severe case of apathy is the only thing the fanbase can supply in light of a recent NC. Meanwhile the programs that have been suffering recently are making a comeback as we linger in this undeveloped stage or as K says a rooster fucking a picture frame.
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Ok read the CREED and watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc
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I read the creed, it didn't say anything about patience or losing football games to sucky teams.
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Ok read the CREED and watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErvgV4P6Fzc
I dig. Only know one creed. I'll be fifty- four next Sunday. I'm a little short on patience these days. Thanks for intervening.
Get off my lawn you little bastards. ROCK N ROLL!
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I read the creed, it didn't say anything about patience or losing football games to sucky teams.
or being poorly coached
or being poorly prepared
or being poor at developing players
or being able to change somethng that isn't working
or-well you get my drift.
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or being poorly coached
or being poorly prepared
or being poor at developing players
or being able to change somethng that isn't working
or-well you get my drift.
In the NFL all of the above might translate to the Cowboys.
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In the NFL all of the above might translate to the Cowboys.
Cowboys problems is the owner. After Jimmy left Jerry thought it was all about him, and to date (except for that year Barry won with Jimmies players) the cowboys haven't done squat. And they won't again this year.
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Cowboys problems is the owner. After Jimmy left Jerry thought it was all about him, and to date (except for that year Barry won with Jimmies players) the cowboys haven't done squat. And they won't again this year.
No offense but: :cheers:
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No offense but: :cheers:
None yesterday. :bar:
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None yesterday. :bar:
Check out woopig, you'll cry with laughter.
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Check out woopig, you'll cry with laughter.
Are they re-showing the game?
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Are they re-showing the game?
No but the mood there is so sardonic it can actually relieve some of the sting.
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Coach Chizik said that he's going to be a lot more involved with the offense going forward. I'm hoping that means more I Formation Ground Pound Offense with a few roll out underneath passes. Hopefully he'll tell Frazier that if the first guy is covered, then tuck the Damn ball and run with it...or throw the ball away if neither option is available (live to see another play, not 10 yards behind the chains).
This also means that we'll be searching for another OC next year.
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Coach Chizik said that he's going to be a lot more involved with the offense going forward. I'm hoping that means more I Formation Ground Pound Offense with a few roll out underneath passes. Hopefully he'll tell Frazier that if the first guy is covered, then tuck the Damn ball and run with it...or throw the ball away if neither option is available (live to see another play, not 10 yards behind the chains).
This also means that we'll be searching for another OC next year.
I have no problem with Loeffler or Van Gorder because the lack of development was evident before their arrival. I used the word tutor which led to some ridicule but it was spot on.
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I have no problem with Loeffler or Van Gorder because the lack of development was evident before their arrival. I used the word tutor which led to some ridicule but it was spot on.
I have no problem with Loeffler as a QB Coach only, but his playcalling is something that I have a problem with. Before anyone jumps up and down and says that his QB Coaching is horrible, understand this...he's trying to do/fix two jobs and both fixes need all of the attention.
I'd have him concentrate on working with Frazier and have someone help with building a gameplan going forward
I'd also bring in a team psychiatrist to find out what's going on in the player's heads.
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Cowboys problems is the owner. After Jimmy left Jerry thought it was all about him, and to date (except for that year Barry won with Jimmies players) the cowboys haven't done squat. And they won't again this year.
100%. Will auburn clean house and get better as a program? Or stay proud like Jerry and settle into the same crash n burn seasons as the cowboys with a yes man in charge?
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Coach Chizik said that he's going to be a lot more involved with the offense going forward. I'm hoping that means more I Formation Ground Pound Offense with a few roll out underneath passes. Hopefully he'll tell Frazier that if the first guy is covered, then tuck the Damn ball and run with it...or throw the ball away if neither option is available (live to see another play, not 10 yards behind the chains).
This also means that we'll be searching for another OC next year.
Blah-Blah-We heard this last year with the defense right before the bowl game. Why does shit have to get so bad before he sees that something needs to be changed?
Fuck- If he was the Captain of the titanic he’d be on the bottom of the Ocean and then release the lifeboats.
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Blah-Blah-We heard this last year with the defense right before the bowl game. Why does shit have to get so bad before he sees that something needs to be changed?
Fuck-he was the Captain of the titanic he’d be on the bottom of the Ocean and then release the lifeboats.
Remember when he said he was going to be more involved with special teams?
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Remember when he said he was going to be more involved with special teams?
I missed that one, he sure does need to get involved alot.
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I missed that one, he sure does need to get involved alot.
Yeah the fact that the special teams is actually working needs to be addressed. I mean, that might make the offense and defense become envious of the special teamers who are getting the job done. We can't have disunity. We are ALL IN (THIS FAIL) together after all.
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I missed that one, he sure does need to get involved alot.
He's been involved enough already. Can't you see all the fail?
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Fuck- If he was the Captain of the titanic he’d be on the bottom of the Ocean and then release the lifeboats.
:thumsup: Amidst the carnage of this season, you sir, have stepped up your game and I commend you for it.
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:thumsup: Amidst the carnage of this season, you sir, have stepped up your game and I commend you for it.
Could not have done it without CGC.
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Yeah the fact that the special teams is actually working needs to be addressed. I mean, that might make the offense and defense become envious of the special teamers who are getting the job done. We can't have disunity. We are ALL IN (THIS FAIL) together after all.
:rofl: :clap: