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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on April 21, 2011, 02:38:32 PM
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Cam not in his top ten.
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Mel Kiper is still waiting for Jimmy Clausen to be drafted.
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It must be the fake smile and lack of punctuality. But, since Mel doesn't own a team and won't be drafting anyone himself, I think I'll wait and see.
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Fans are giving Newton hell for that Gruden interview, but coaches and people who actually know are not.
This is a post on a coaches site from Chris Brown, who writes smartfootball.com
True but it's interesting because in games Newton looked like the cooler head while Locker made a lot of mistakes. The Mallett one is interesting because he may have shown the best football knowledge at all. I agree that watching the Newton one made me think a few things about him: (a) he's a freak athlete, (b) he does seem very coachable, as he had really put to mind all of Malzahn's coaching points and keys for each play and did understand his own plays well, but (c) the NFL is vastly different than what he had to do in college.
This is more fan talk than anything else, but I like Newton but the Carolina Panthers are looking at him as a #1 overall pick. He needs a lot of development to me.
I think Gruden does a nice job with these segments, pretty much the way teams do it when they meet with quarterbacks pre-draft. He does a nice job actually giving them things to work on and constructive criticism while also just having a casual conversation and drawing things out of them.
Not a single coach posting in the thread disagreed, or had anything bad to say about Cam, other than he needs time to aclimate to the NFL systems.
This is what he actually wrote on smart football.
Setting aside whether there is (or should be) a Jon Gruden test, many on the interwebs have pointed to this video and decided Newton can’t make it:
The argument is that Newton just passes on the long verbiage call and, in not answering, fails the question. Now, it’s clear that Newton’s offense in college was not as complicated as what the pros do, I think the conclusion that Cam is automatically unfit is unfair. He didn’t forget his own plays; he says they did not have it in his offense because everything had to be done from the no-huddle. He says “36″ might be the play name, and they call 36 and up and go. (For what it’s worth, in his book Finding the Winning Edge, put out in 1997, Bill Walsh said the future of football was in no-huddle offenses where the plays were called with single words.)
In the full segment, Cam diagrams a couple of plays and a couple of things were clear to me: (a) he’s a freak athlete, (b) he actually internalized his coaching quite well, as he remembered all the coaching points and axioms from Malzahn (and Gruden said he retained everything in their meeting quite well), and (c) he really does have a long way to go in terms of mastering a complicated NFL system. The upshot is that, while I like Cam’s potential, drafting him number one is risky. But he’s not incapable of mastering an NFL system.
But a final thought. Gruden — rightly, I think — emphasizes to Newton that he is going to have to prepare himself for complicated NFL playbooks and verbiage, because he will be a new employee and that’s what they do. Yet it’s not clear to me that all that verbiage goes to good use; I’m curious if Gruden, if he goes back into coaching, will choose to deluge kids with those insane playcalls or will instead do as Walsh predicted and as Malzahn does, and find a simpler way of doing business. As Cam says in the clip, “simple equals fast,†and as Holgorsen likes to remind his team, “if you’re thinking, you’re not playing.â€
In fact, I've not heard one coach say anything bad about the interview other than Cam hasn't been exposed to the wordy and voluminous playbooks of the NFL, but that he seems capable of grasping them and is a freak physically.
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I just heard Kiper and Mcshay get called out for hating on Auburn.
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I just heard Kiper and Mcshay get called out for hating on Auburn.
I would like to hear that audio.
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I would like to hear that audio.
I wonder which available QB Gruden as a GM would take if he had to make a choice?
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IMO, after keeping up with the NFL Draft for the past 6-7 years or so, Carolina is hoping that the Bills trade up for their #1 pick, because they want Cam. If no one trades up, Carolina takes either Cam or Marcel.
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IMO, after keeping up with the NFL Draft for the past 6-7 years or so, Carolina is hoping that the Bills trade up for their #1 pick, because they want Cam. If no one trades up, Carolina takes either Cam or Marcel.
I think Buffalo wants him badly too.
I also think Luck stayed put for more than good will toward Stanford. Watch him land a good team next season via a trade.
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I think Buffalo wants him badly too.
I also think Luck stayed put for more than good will toward Stanford. Watch him land a good team next season via a trade.
Like Dallas?
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Like Dallas?
Yes. I can't stand that organization but it is one of the best at least by perception.
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I was so hoping that the Tuna would trade up to get Cam with the Dolphins.
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Yes. I can't stand that organization but it is one of the best at least by perception.
Hey hey....watch your dirty whorish mouth jmar.
Unless Romo really fucks up this year, he aint going nowhere. Dude has hovered near a 100 QB rating every year of his career. Would make no sense.
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Hey hey....watch your dirty whorish mouth jmar.
Unless Romo really fucks up this year, he aint going nowhere. Dude has hovered near a 100 QB rating every year of his career. Would make no sense.
Except at playoff time or big game. Folks are getting tired of his (Aw schucks) here in Dallas, Another bad season next year and he's gone.
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Except at playoff time or big game. Folks are getting tired of his (Aw schucks) here in Dallas, Another bad season next year and he's gone.
Awww shucks has left the building. There's a new Sheriff in town. Let's see if that attitude changes.
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Awww shucks has left the building. There's a new Sheriff in town. Let's see if that attitutde changes.
New deputy, Same Sherriff.
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New deputy, Same Sherriff.
I see what you did there. And I agree.
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Awww shucks has left the building. There's a new Sheriff in town. Let's see if that attitude changes.
The problem in Dallas isn't the QB or the Coach, it's the meddling owner that coaches by proxy.
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The problem in Dallas isn't the QB or the Coach, it's the meddling owner that coaches by proxy.
It works with the RIGHT head coach. As it did in the 90's. Not sure if JG is THAT kind of coach though. I think the "aww shucks" shit is gone. But Jerry presents a slew of other issues when he "sidelines". Maybe one day Jerry will wake up. Like Trump, he's a smart guy but also has an ego bigger than the city of Dallas. This year will tell a lot.
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It works with the RIGHT head coach. As it did in the 90's. Not sure if JG is THAT kind of coach though. I think the "aww shucks" shit is gone. But Jerry presents a slew of other issues when he "sidelines". Maybe one day Jerry will wake up. Like Trump, he's a smart guy but also has an ego bigger than the city of Dallas. This year will tell a lot.
It worked then because in the beginning, Jones hired coaches to coach...over the years he's meddled more and more thinking he's "learned the game".
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It works with the RIGHT head coach. As it did in the 90's. Not sure if JG is THAT kind of coach though. I think the "aww shucks" shit is gone. But Jerry presents a slew of other issues when he "sidelines". Maybe one day Jerry will wake up. Like Trump, he's a smart guy but also has an ego bigger than the city of Dallas. This year will tell a lot.
Jerry will stop messin when Jerry no longer breaths. I am a cowboy fan (by location) I want to see my home team do well. But if it took 5 seasons of never winning another game to get him gone. Then so be it.
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Jerry will stop messin when Jerry no longer breaths. I am a cowboy fan (by location) I want to see my home team do well. But if it took 5 seasons of never winning another game to get him gone. Then so be it.
In bold, agree ^^^^. That would be GREAT.
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Hey hey....watch your dirty whorish mouth jmar.
Unless Romo really fucks up this year, he aint going nowhere. Dude has hovered near a 100 QB rating every year of his career. Would make no sense.
The Cowpokes are the Crimpsom Tahd of pro football. Let's make 'em the favorite again shall we? My dislike for them has eased somewhat through their long period of decline and under achievement.
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The Cowpokes are the Crimpsom Tahd of pro football. Let's make 'em the favorite again shall we? My dislike for them has eased somewhat through their long period of decline and under achievement.
I hope the Cowboys lose every game.
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I hope the Cowboys lose every game.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
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I hope the Cowboys lose every game.
I'm not a huge NFL fan and I tend to pull for certain individuals rather than clubs. And that means I'm hoping Fairley obliterates opposing QBs and Cam just makes mouths drop when he gets his chance. Same goes for Clayton, Ziemba, Fannin and any others that catch on.
Seems I recall you pull for the 'Skins right?
Whoreish mouths are smiling on the Cowboys.
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I'm not a huge NFL fan and I tend to pull for certain individuals rather than clubs. And that means I'm hoping Fairley obliterates opposing QBs and Cam just makes mouths drop when he gets his chance. Same goes for Clayton, Ziemba, Fannin and any others that catch on.
Seems I recall you pull for the 'Skins right?
Whoreish mouths are smiling on the Cowboys.
Well, I'm sort of like you as far as who I pull for; I also like to watch those with Auburn roots. There are a couple of teams that I have liked since being a kid. Dolphins, because of me pops and the Buccs for a really stupid reason; that was the first team hat I bought myself. As far as the Skins, I pulled for them because of Campbell which obviously is no longer with the team. The Skins suck and will continue to suck until they get someone who knows something about football and an OL that can protect the damn QB.
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Well, I'm sort of like you as far as who I pull for; I also like to watch those with Auburn roots. There are a couple of teams that I have liked since being a kid. Dolphins, because of me pops and the Buccs for a really stupid reason; that was the first team hat I bought myself. As far as the Skins, I pulled for them because of Campbell which obviously is no longer with the team. The Skins suck and will continue to suck until they get someone who knows something about football and an OL that can protect the damn QB.
Yeah amazing a team known for offensive lines with no protection.
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Pretty sure I heard him say today that he'll go no lower than 3rd.
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Pretty sure I heard him say today that he'll go no lower than 3rd.
Damn is Jason Campbell going back into the draft? JFWY!
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Pretty sure I heard him say today that he'll go no lower than 3rd.
I really really hope its not gonna be Buffalo. I can pull for the Panthers or Broncos but not the Bills.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/04/gruden_newton_was_most_impress.html
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I said early on that Cam was a good fit at Buffalo. Fitzgerald is a brainy sort and in the league now for seven or eight seasons. I don't doubt the Bills have shortcomings all around but the situation is perceived somewhat overall better than Carolinas. I could pull for either but it would be harder for me to get excited over Ron Riveira and Mike Shula with a RB threatening to leave if management doesn't get it right.
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I just find it hard to imagine me pulling for the Bills right now. If Cam ends ups there, then yeah I will but I think Cam Would be better of in Carolina, or possibly Denver. Sure Fox was a defensive guy and so is Rivera. The difference is I think after Rivera's stint at the Chargers and bringing over Chudzinski with him, I do believe you see lots more offense out of the Panthers. Lets not forget the Panthers and a pretty damn good RB corp and a decent OL; and not to mention a mean ass D that will give the offense plenty of time on the field. Out of the top of the pick order, the Panthers are the far better choice for Cam to have success.
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Could we (Alabama and allbarn) have 4 out of the first 5 picks 1. Cam 2. MD 3. Fairly 4. AJ and 5 Julio?
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Could we (Alabama and allbarn) have 4 out of the first 5 picks 1. Cam 2. MD 3. Fairly 4. AJ and 5 Julio?
Eh I'm not so sure if I were Carolina with a piss poor record that I don't try to work something with the Giants for Rosenfels or maybe Dallas or some other team with a top back-up to try to get to .500 rather than with any rookie QB. I mean Cam can win, no doubt. Vince Young won at Tennessee. But I think that situation and certainly Atlanta's with Ryan was much better than at Carolina or Buffalo.
That's if I had a team mind you.
That being said, the idea is to put asses in the seats and sell merchandise which Cam will do upon getting his shot. Yet a situation might come down to them looking miserable for about six straight with Cam holding a clipboard and the coach opting for no.2 to boos and they could maybe take the game to the wire and by halftime of game eight he sends Cam in to silence all of the booing. And at this point it's anybody's guess what happens, but I'm certain that it would include some heroics.
Atlanta needs but a Welker or Bush, something in the short to mid range that is absolutely there when needed. Carolina or Buffalo fall short of that even, not to mention the lack of quality protection. So it comes down to not only the number of playmakers you have because Matt Ryan is not going to take on the other team's version of Ray Lewis...he can't ...but Cam Newton WILL. He knows it isn't smart but he knows he has to write the tale, and see to it that it doesn't begin with a pick six. Now if he falls short the hating bastards will say "see we told you he isn't an NFL QB." But you see these rubberneckers are the same fucks that ride by a horrible crash just to see some gore and repeat the words to themselves "thank God that wasn't me."
We want Cam Newton to succeed not just because he is an Auburn guy. Most of us feel we have
something to prove vicariously through him because of all of the shameless hammering he (AU) withstood for an entire season. No one can withstand that kind of abuse and play at a consistently high level. NO ONE! But our guy did and that is something an NFL ticket holder will be void of. We know the guy will give a herculean effort no matter the odds. We know that he will inspire others to play better than they might normally play.
I'm sure some of you might think differently but this is the best football player I have ever seen. The fact that he went to Auburn just makes it all the better. So yeah I guess I take it personal. I want Cam to have a decent shot to prove the haters wrong and it will be all the more fitting that it takes place for one of the unlikeliest teams in the NFL. And if that's the case, count me as a Carolina football fan... just not one of the NASCAR rejects.
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Nah but 5 in the top 15 is possible.