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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on February 10, 2011, 10:42:13 AM
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http://blog.al.com/wire/2011/02/auburn_cartoons_meaning_still.html
(http://media.al.com/wire/photo/1907-auburn-cartoon-9cfad6d231f94bb0.jpg)
Historians trying to decipher meaning of 1907 cartoon poking fun at Auburn University: The cartoon (shown on the right) was among newspapers, letters and other items in a time capsule unearthed at the University of Alabama's Smith Hall, 100 years after the building was dedicated, according to The Tuscaloosa News. Historians are looking into the meaning of the "23" on the signs held by the Auburn players, but many agree it seems to be an insult used often in the early 1900s.
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Maybe they looked at the depth chart and thought Ronnie Brown would be a linebacker and were disappointed when he stayed at RB?
Maybe they looked at the depth chart and predicted that bad Jim Carrey movie.
I know. I'm doing it again....
The bigger question to me is why were the artists so shitty at it? And was this an early work of Daniel A. Moore?
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don't know what it means......find it interesting that the date of the cartoon is at the time of the cancellation of the series.
The cartoon does lead credence to a position that I (and many others) have held for a long time:
That despite whatever the offical name of the institution was at the time, Auburn sports teams have always been known to Auburn people and Auburn's rivals as:
Auburn............................... (not EAMC or API or A&MCA).
WDE
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http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20110208/NEWS/110209651/1007?Title=Meaning-behind-1907-cartoon-remains-a-mystery
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And why are we not called API?
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Perhaps that people couldn't draw for shit back in 1907?
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And why are we not called API?
Historically, we were known as Auburn, which eventually led to the name change.
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Historically, we were known as Auburn, which eventually led to the name change.
No fuck you. Shane said it's API. You're wrong.
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No fuck you. Shane said it's API. You're wrong.
No Colonel Sanders you're wrong, Mamas right!
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No Colonel Sanders you're wrong, Mamas right!
Something's wrong with his medulla oblongata.
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(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcmaFlwPO6yI1XspECheI_aEeqT7TVCA97mBb3mVl3u6cFaUsn&t=1)
"I'm a helluva guy from API!"
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I didn't know Auburn had a hockey team.
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the main sport at AU before football in 1892?...................................
Polo.....................team captain was a guy by the name of Marco Ledbetter Degroot.
WDE
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A dude I work with has a sweet API T-shirt, and I want one.
But yeah, I'm trying to find some historical connection.
As eagleair pointed out, that's the last year of the series before it picked up again in 1948.
That first run, the results went like this:
1 1893 (Feb.) Alabama 22 Auburn 32 Birmingham AUB 1–0–0
2 1893 (Nov.) Alabama 16 Auburn 40 Montgomery AUB 2–0–0
3 1894 Alabama 0 Auburn 55 Montgomery AUB 2–1–0
4 1895 Alabama 0 Auburn 48 Tuscaloosa AUB 3–1–0
5 1900 Alabama 5 Auburn 53 Montgomery AUB 4–1–0
6 1901 Alabama 0 Auburn 17 Tuscaloosa AUB 5–1–0
7 1902 Alabama 0 Auburn 23 Birmingham AUB 6–1–0
8 1903 Alabama 0 Auburn 55 Montgomery AUB 6–2–0
9 1904 Alabama 5 Auburn 29 Birmingham AUB 7–2–0
10 1905 Alabama 30 Auburn 0 Birmingham AUB 7–3–0
11 1906 Alabama 10 Auburn 0 Birmingham AUB 7–4–0
12 1907 Alabama 6 Auburn 6 Birmingham AUB 7–4–1
So Auburn won the first 9, bamma got two in in 1905 & 1906, and then we tied the last game.
I'm guessing this was made before the game in 1907 as some sort of smack.
It appears that 1906 is supposed to be correlated to the Auburn fan on the left and 1907 is supposed to be the Auburn fan on the right. Maybe 23 is the number of players on the roster? Like they're the same 23 players as last year, but more bloated?
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My guess is that the "23" refers to a popular slang term of the day, "23 skidoo" which basically meant "get the fuck out of here" or "get the fuck out".
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So Auburn won the first 9, bamma got two in in 1905 & 1906, and then we tied the last game.
This doesn't correlate with the running series records you posted.
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My guess is that the "23" refers to a popular slang term of the day, "23 skidoo" which basically meant "get the fuck out of here" or "get the fuck out".
Interesting.
From the wikipedia it is more accurately translated as "Get out while the getting's good".
This makes the most sense. Possibly insinuating that we lost the dominance we had the first 9 years of the series. We ended on two losses and a tie, so it implies we "got out while the getting was good" since they got the best of us the last couple meetings at the point the series was discontinued.
I guess this is implying that Auburn is not aging gracefully, while Bama is in the background getting all the ass. We're has-beens.
BUT
Why the 1906 & 1907? Why not throw in 1905 for extra burn? Why throw in 1907 which was a tie, unless it was done before the game.
Either way, I think we solved the mystery.
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This doesn't correlate with the running series records you posted.
Um. Yes it does.
Year - Team - Score - Other Team - Score - Site - Series winner - Series score.
I think you must have just looked at the series information.
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Interesting.
From the wikipedia it is more accurately translated as "Get out while the getting's good".
This makes the most sense. Possibly insinuating that we lost the dominance we had the first 9 years of the series. We ended on two losses and a tie, so it implies we "got out while the getting was good" since they got the best of us the last couple meetings at the point the series was discontinued.
I guess this is implying that Auburn is not aging gracefully, while Bama is in the background getting all the ass. We're has-beens.
BUT
Why the 1906 & 1907? Why not throw in 1905 for extra burn? Why throw in 1907 which was a tie, unless it was done before the game.
Either way, I think we solved the mystery.
Just from reading, it was used both as "lets go" or "y'all get the fuck out"
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It was likely intended as a jibe at the rival school, but the meaning of a cartoon depicting Alabama's win over Auburn in football in 1906 and baseball in 1907, still isn't clear, more than nine months after it was found in a time capsule on the UA campus.
The cartoon shows two Auburn athletes, one in a football uniform and the other in a baseball uniform, looking sad and holding signs that say “23.†In the background of the cartoon are two UA fans holding a pennant who appear to be celebrating.
On the back of the cartoon are the words “Defeat of Auburn by U. of A. Football, 1906 and Baseball, 1907.â€
There are some theories about the exact meaning of “23.â€
Randy Mecredy, director of the Alabama Museum of Natural History, said the museum researched “23†and found that the number was used as an insult in the early 1900s.
“We found that, at the time the cartoon was drawn, people were using the term ‘23'd' similarly to how we use the word ‘diss' today,†Mecredy said. “Basically, to 23 someone was a way of insulting them. During the two games, Alabama felt that they'd 23'd Auburn. That's about as much as we've been able to find out about the phrase.â€
The time capsule had been placed in the cornerstone of Smith Hall when the building was under construction in 1907. The capsule was removed and opened in April as part of a homecoming event celebrating Smith Hall's 100th anniversary — it was dedicated in 1910 — and was found to contain, among other items, newspapers, letters and the cartoon. last April inside the Smith Hall
Josh Rothman, a history professor at UA and director of the Summersell Center, said that when he heard the term “23'd,†he thought of the phrase “23-skidoo,†another popular saying in the early 1900s.
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Dude, you just got 23'd
:haha:
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# Feb. 22, 1892: The first game was played at Lakeview Baseball Park in Birmingham in front of 226 Auburn fans and 220 Alabama fans. Auburn's 32-22 victory was front page news in the Birmingham Age-Herald.
# Nov. 30,1893: An evenly divided crowd witnessed Auburn's 40-16 rout over Alabama. Attendance was 3,000 at Montgomery's Riverside Park. Auburn scored seven touchdowns and received $350, while Alabama received $250.
# Nov. 29, 1894: The first upset of the series gave Alabama an 18-0 victory in front of 3,000 at Montgomery's Riverside Park.
# Nov. 23, 1895: Auburn won convincingly, 48-0 in Tuscaloosa, for first-year head coach John Heisman. Researchers have tried for years to find details from the game's lopsided score, but to no avail. Birmingham, Tuscaloosa and Montgomery newspapers had only brief accounts of the game with no details or statistics.
The Press-Register gave generous coverage to the Yale-Princeton and Penn-Harvard games but failed to mention even the score of the Auburn-Alabama game.
# Nov. 17, 1900: Auburn scored nine touchdowns in the 53-5 victory in Montgomery. It was the first time that season Auburn had scored at all.
# Nov. 15, 1901: Auburn's 17-0 win in Tuscaloosa prompted this Birmingham News headline: ``A Tiger Claws Alabama.'' It was only the second time the press had used the Tiger nickname to describe Auburn, and it was the first time the name was used for a game within the series.
# Oct. 18, 1902: Birmingham's West End Park was the site for the 23-0 Auburn victory. According to the weekly Tuscaloosa Times, both teams received $500 for playing the game.
# Oct. 23, 1903: The second upset of the series gave Alabama an 18-6 win at Montgomery's Highland Park. Auburn was favored 5-to-1 entering the game. The average weight of Alabama players was 148 pounds, compared to Auburn's 161-pound average.
Prior to the game, Auburn had scored 94 points and surrendered none. Alabama had scored none and surrendered 41. After the upset, Alabama coach W.B. Blount told The Montgomery Advertiser: ``I am free to confess that the result of the game was as much a surprise to me as anybody else ... The victory, I think, is the result of the indomitable spirit of the Alabama team. They came to Montgomery imbued with the determination to win, and win they did in signal fashion.''
Auburn coach Billy Bates said, ``There was absolutely no excuse for the repeated bucks of Tuscaloosa being so uniformly successful. True, five of our best men were out of the game, but even then Auburn should have won and I firmly believe that if the game were to be played over today, we would win 20 to 0. Of course, I am disappointed over the result of today's game, and I don't think there is an excuse for our losing it.''
Alabama finished that season 3-4. According to records, it was 48 years and numerous bowl games later before Alabama suffered another losing season, a period which spanned the inauguration of seven United States presidents, World War I, the Roaring Twenties, Prohibition and Repeal, the Great Depression, World War II, the Advent of the Atomic Age and the Korean War.
# Nov. 12, 1904: Auburn won 29-5 at West End Park in Birmingham, marking the first time Auburn had been scored upon that season. The Birmingham News reported that the game ``resulted in as fierce a game and struggle as was ever seen on the local gridiron.''
The 29-5 score was carried in all Alabama and Auburn records and today's Southeastern Conference Football Guide. Harvey Sartain scored Alabama's touchdown, but a discrepancy over the conversion has been disputed ever since. The Birmingham News reported the score 29-6.
# Nov. 18, 1905: A record crowd of 4,600 attended the Alabama 30-0 victory at Birmingham's West End Park. It was the biggest crowd to ever witness a football game in the city.
# Nov. 17, 1906: Alabama won 10-0 at the Birmingham Fair Grounds, but the game was played under protest. Auburn claimed Alabama left guard T.S. Sims was an illegal player. The protest was heard by the Southern Inter-Collegiate Athletic Association, but denied. Fans watched the game for just 75 cents per ticket. Box seats were an expensive $1 each.
# Nov. 16, 1907: The game ended in a 6-6 tie, a fitting score for the last game to be played between the two schools for the next 41 years.
AU wins: 1892, 1893, 1895, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1904
uat wins: 1894, 1903, 1905, 1906
tie: 1907
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So Auburn won the first 9, bamma got two in in 1905 & 1906, and then we tied the last game.
No, AU did not win the first 9 games....see above history.
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As to the broader overall meaning?
Their great grandparents were braying jackholes, too. It's the only tradition that school has.
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No, AU did not win the first 9 games....see above history.
I was using wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Bowl
Someone changed 1894 & 1903 to 55-0 Auburn victories. What I didn't notice before is they didn't alter the win-loss record in the last column.
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# Nov. 23, 1895: Auburn won convincingly, 48-0 in Tuscaloosa, for first-year head coach John Heisman. Researchers have tried for years to find details from the game's lopsided score, but to no avail. Birmingham, Tuscaloosa and Montgomery newspapers had only brief accounts of the game with no details or statistics.
The Press-Register gave generous coverage to the Yale-Princeton and Penn-Harvard games but failed to mention even the score of the Auburn-Alabama game.
Not much has changed here either.
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As to the broader overall meaning?
Their great grandparents were braying jackholes, too. It's the only tradition that school has.
I think that sums it up nicely.
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As to the broader overall meaning?
Their great grandparents were braying jackholes, too. It's the only tradition that school has.
Instilled at birth? Kind of like racism? So therefore we can say, all bammers are racist towards Auburn