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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Token on February 04, 2011, 09:48:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvy976QKuS4&feature=player_embedded
Wow!! I know the kid is a bitch who needed a good ass kicking, but that was waaaaaaay beyond justifiable. I can certainly see why no officials wanted that video released. Someone better have a damn good answer for the weak charges filed against the officers.
The "face down hands away from body" is a universal sign for shut it down. Regardless what the kid did between the burglary and where it ended, if those guys can't control their emotions better than that, they are in the wrong business.
And for the record, if the kid is awarded ANY monetary compensation from ANY lawsuit in this case, (and they shouldn't be) every penny should be awarded to the victim of the burglary. Kid didn't deserve the ass whipping that took place after he surrendered, but he damn sure doesn't deserve any money from the City of Houston either.
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Would you STOP talking sense. Please!!!
How is a dishonest lawyer like me gonna' make a living? Answer that shit.
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Oh, it's a RACIAL thang, homie. Quannell X got the video from "unnamed sources" and released it in defiance of a court order keeping it from being released fear of tainting the jury pool. I myself am PRAYING the judge has the stones to have him arrested for defying a lawful court order.
Cops fired. Probably going to jail for assault and use of oppressive force. Probably civil rights suits too. They are fucked. Sound like HPD did it all right the first time for a change. The officers were all fired BEFORE the video was released and the matter has been turned over to the DA's office to start criminal proceedings. What more could a reasonable person be expected to do? Releasing the video now served no purpose other that to get that fucking race pimp in front of the cameras.
Kid deserved an ass kicking but not like that. Most people here see it that way too.
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Kid deserved an ass kicking but not like that. Most people here see it that way too.
You know, if he had grown up in Wadley, Alabama, he would have gotten some marks on his legs from yardsticks and fly swatters and saved himself this beating.
From the looks of things, he wasn't too smart to even try to run before that po-pop car clipped his legs out from under him. He was pretty much hemmed up. I don't know what transpired before this, but I think one or two blows should have been enough to get the pork's point across. The kicks to teh head and what appeared to be betwixt his legs was a little overkill.
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You know, if he had grown up in Wadley, Alabama, he would have gotten some marks on his legs from yardsticks and fly swatters and saved himself this beating.
From the looks of things, he wasn't too smart to even try to run before that po-pop car clipped his legs out from under him. He was pretty much hemmed up. I don't know what transpired before this, but I think one or two blows should have been enough to get the pork's point across. The kicks to teh head and what appeared to be betwixt his legs was a little overkill.
You are wise beyond your tender years. Let the schools beat dat ass and if mom and dad would go upside that head, more than half this stuff never happens.
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Wow....
That shit's gonna get a nasty-gram generated.
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Cops fired. Probably going to jail for assault and use of oppressive force. Probably civil rights suits too. They are fucked. Sound like HPD did it all right the first time for a change. The officers were all fired BEFORE the video was released and the matter has been turned over to the DA's office to start criminal proceedings.
I didn't get that from the video. I got that they'd been charged with a misdemeanor.
Is there more info?
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I didn't get that from the video. I got that they'd been charged with a misdemeanor.
Is there more info?
No, you are correct - I was quoting from the news story I watched - I did not watch that particular video. One "expert" opined that more serious charges could still be brought, but the D.A. - who is a useless piece of shit that was an appointed judge once and HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN A PROSECUTOR AND HAS NEVER EVEN TRIED A CASE AS AN ATTORNEY BUT WON BECAUSE SHE IS AN (R) - obviously disagrees with that expert's opinion. She has trashed the HCDAO, and the resignations/nonsensical firings of top prosecutors has been like rats off a sinking ship.
But I digress - the civil trials in this case will be a circus.
Houston's mayor and police department were on the defensive Friday, two days after graphic video came out showing several police repeatedly kicking and beating a 15-year-old burglary suspect as he lay on the ground.
An internal police investigation of the incident last March led to the firing of seven police officers, said spokesman John Cannon of the Houston police department.
Two successfully appealed and returned to their jobs, said Houston NAACP President D.Z. Cofield.
Five other officers were disciplined in other ways, Cannon said. And a Harris County grand jury indicted four of the officers this summer, based in part on the video.
Harris County District Attorney Patricia Lykos opposed the video becoming public and felt doing so might prejudice potential jurors and force the indicted officers' trials to be moved out of the county.
Quanell X, a local activist, got hold of the surveillance tape showing the scene outside a storage facility and gave it to the media.
He said he had every right to obtain the footage and make it public.
"I will show my people what they deserve to see, and let the public see what you don't want them to see," Quanell X said. :taunt:
Mayor Annise Parker said the police leadership and city acted properly.
"I resent any implication that we were trying to hide the tape," she said.
After viewing the footage, Houston Police Chief Charles McClelland Jr. fired the seven officers and a grand jury called for misdemeanor charges against four of them in June.
Lykos told reporters Thursday there was not sufficient evidence to pursue more serious charges, such as aggravated assault.
"Without revealing what was presented to the grand jury, in order to have aggravated assault you have to have serious bodily injury or impairment or use of a deadly weapon," she said. "None of that was apparent in this case."
The tape, first shown Wednesday on CNN affiliate WTRK, shows the 15-year-old boy -- being chased by police and falling to the ground after being upended by a moving police car. He then falls face first and places his hands on the ground.
A disciplinary letter from McClelland, dated June 23 and posted online less than two weeks later by CNN affiliate HTRK, says that the boy had his hands behind his head and neck area, in an obvious position of surrender.
Then, the letter adds and the tape shows, Officer Raad Hassan "then ran toward (the boy) and kicked him a total of 15 times," then later kicked him more times in the groin area even after he "was handcuffed and no longer a threat."
Several other officers, repeatedly kicking and punching the 15-year-old, who barely moved the whole time.
Like Parker, the head of Houston's police union said the incident did not reflect on the make-up or usual activity of officers on the force.
"We have thousands of officers who do a great job every day and they're not involved in this," said Mark Clark, the union's executive director. "It's serious and it's a reflection on the department."
Cofield sharply criticized the police officers' actions as well as how civic leaders had handled the case afterward during a news conference Thursday. That includes officials' unwillingness to make the tape public.
"For us, what seems to be a tragedy (is) repeated one more time in Harris County," he said.
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Maybe I'm a bastard, but IMO, people like this Quanell X guy are just as racist as anybody. For that matter, I somewhat think the same of Jesse Jackson, et al. Maybe it's just the way they come across, I don't know.
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Again, there should be no civil lawsuit, unless the monetary damages are paid to the victim(s) of the burglary.
Kid shouldn't have got his ass whipped in that manner, but he also shouldn't be a dip shit. Fire the officers. Convict the officers. Convict the dip shit. Case closed.
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Can we confine cripkilla to this thread and this thread only. Irony, that is all.
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Maybe I'm a bastard, but IMO, people like this Quanell X guy are just as racist as anybody. For that matter, I somewhat think the same of Jesse Jackson, et al. Maybe it's just the way they come across, I don't know.
Not only is he the biggest racist in Houston next to the head of LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens) but he is extorting money at every turn from "his people". He wears $4000 suits to press conferences in the hood, and charges between $5K and $10K to cover his "expenses" for showing up to protest your perceived injustice.
He got exposed a few years ago when the old man shot the two robbers that were fleeing from his neighbor's house. Quannel was on his way over there because the news was reporting the two guys were black, so imagine his surprise when he gets there and finds out they were illegal Hispanic immigrants... he turned around and left and not another peep was heard from him.
He is HORRID.
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Again, there should be no civil lawsuit, unless the monetary damages are paid to the victim(s) of the burglary.
Kid shouldn't have got his ass whipped in that manner, but he also shouldn't be a dip shit. Fire the officers. Convict the officers. Convict the dip shit. Case closed.
Oh, homie, his civil rights were violated, mmm hhmm, you know it, chile.
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Again, there should be no civil lawsuit, unless the monetary damages are paid to the victim(s) of the burglary.
Kid shouldn't have got his ass whipped in that manner, but he also shouldn't be a dip poop. Fire Praise the officers. Convict Reward the officers. Convict the dip poop. Case closed.
FTFY... I'm sorry folks. After watching this several times, there was just a little too much drama to that "beatdown". Unless they can show some after pictures where the punks face is all swollen and bruised, I'm thinking there was a little too much exaggeration in the cops actions more to scare the skat out of the punk than to truly cause injury.
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FTFY... I'm sorry folks. After watching this several times, there was just a little too much drama to that "beatdown". Unless they can show some after pictures where the punks face is all swollen and bruised, I'm thinking there was a little too much exaggeration in the cops actions more to scare the skat out of the punk than to truly cause injury.
So you are telling me that it is ok to stomp the fuck out of someone as long as I don't mark their face up? I like.
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So you are telling me that it is ok to stomp the phuk out of someone as long as I don't mark their face up? I like.
That's why I only beat my wife with a phone book. It doesn't leave marks. She can't prove anything.
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That's why I only beat my wife with a phone book. It doesn't leave marks. She can't prove anything.
I use a bag of sweet Valencia oranges. It won't leave a bruise and they'll let 'em know who's boss. There's no doubt about it.
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That's why I only beat my wife with a phone book. It doesn't leave marks. She can't prove anything.
Have her hold pillows while you punch her in the gut.
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I use a bag of sweet Valencia oranges. It won't leave a bruise and they'll let 'em know who's boss. There's no doubt about it.
Why not use a steak before marinating? Two birds, one stone and all.
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I don't know. I think criminals have too many rights when it come to the police. It used to be if you ran, you were implying guilt and then you got your ass beat by the cops so that others knew not to run. But today, there is NO respect for cops and no one is EVER afraid of running. I mean what's the worst that could happen? You take an ass beating, the cops get fired, you get some petty charge dropped , and get rich off of a civil suit.
I think cops today must be lousy shots. They should train better so as to not waste their efforts, while shooting a running suspect in the leg. Hard to run with a bullet in the leg.
People say that we should not have to fear the cops, but is not fear and respect close to being hand in hand? Ever since the Rodney King BS, everyone thinks that the cops won't do anything for fear of a witness or a video. It should be mandatory that if you run, you get beat.
And all of this makes the cops assholes to the good people too. I would hate to be a cop. IF you did anything in the heat of the moment, it would be construed that you are a horrible person and should be put away. That is too much pressure for a guy/gal bringing home shit for pay. I could not do it.
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I don't know. I think criminals have too many rights when it come to the police. It used to be if you ran, you were implying guilt and then you got your ass beat by the cops so that others knew not to run. But today, there is NO respect for cops and no one is EVER afraid of running. I mean what's the worst that could happen? You take an ass beating, the cops get fired, you get some petty charge dropped , and get rich off of a civil suit.
I think cops today must be lousy shots. They should train better so as to not waste their efforts, while shooting a running suspect in the leg. Hard to run with a bullet in the leg.
People say that we should not have to fear the cops, but is not fear and respect close to being hand in hand? Ever since the Rodney King BS, everyone thinks that the cops won't do anything for fear of a witness or a video. It should be mandatory that if you run, you get beat.
And all of this makes the cops assholes to the good people too. I would hate to be a cop. IF you did anything in the heat of the moment, it would be construed that you are a horrible person and should be put away. That is too much pressure for a guy/gal bringing home shit for pay. I could not do it.
Yes, and no. The problem is when you tell cops they can beat a guy who runs, it's all fun and games until you have somebody that goes too far. You will have that, regardless. It also escalates the situation. It makes the criminals want to fight back even more. Unfortunately, we're not in a society that will take the "Oh, I better not run" mentality to cops being able to beat your ass. We're in a society that will take the "Well, I'm just going to be more prepared and pop this pig, and then run" mentality. Cops have ways of "getting theirs" in when arresting a guy, which is usually wrong, but its not so overt. Its just a little "Hey, I'm gonna fuck you up if you snatch away from me" type thing of letting them know who is in charge of this situation.
I agree that, to some extent, criminals have alot of rights that maybe they shouldn't. But, I would bet that you could trace most of those rights back to some cop or somebody in law enforcement reeeaaaaally fucking up bad. Honestly, some of those "rights" force a cop to do things a certain way, and can actually help their case.
It's one thing to knock the shit out of some punk in the heat of the moment. It takes it to a different level when the guy is cuffed, though.
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There is always the simple fact that if you do not run, then you should not have anything to worry about.
But by all means, continue running with your hands in your pockets. Just don't stay pissed off about it so that the rest of us non runners get treated poorly also.
Once again, Rodney King needed hos ass beat. As do many other runners. Just be smart about it and drag them out of the view of the camera first.
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There is always the simple fact that if you do not run, then you should not have anything to worry about.
But by all means, continue running with your hands in your pockets. Just don't stay pissed off about it so that the rest of us non runners get treated poorly also.
Once again, Rodney King needed hos ass beat. As do many other runners. Just be smart about it and drag them out of the view of the camera first.
I agree with that assumption, and also find it logical. However, the plain and simple fact is some people just don't, and they don't use logic. If everybody in the world used logic to resolve conflicts, this would be mamby pamby land, and there would be no need for police, military, etc. The whole point of having police is based on the assumption that there are dipshits in this world. And where everybody else has rules, the police need to have rules as well. Sometimes for their own good. Case in point.
Did the kid have it coming? Sure. Anybody knows that when the police have to come get you, it's not going to end well for you. However, the fact still remains that those cops went pretty far out. I mean, we're not talking about something marginal that could be construed either way. Dude got his ass beat. And after he was handcuffed too. Alot of rules change with use of force when somebody is handcuffed.
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FTFY... I'm sorry folks. After watching this several times, there was just a little too much drama to that "beatdown". Unless they can show some after pictures where the punks face is all swollen and bruised, I'm thinking there was a little too much exaggeration in the cops actions more to scare the skat out of the punk than to truly cause injury.
You sir, are an idiot. I hope you get pulled over by the cops and they proceed to beat you...then, after you are crying about it... I'm going to ask for photos after the fact to confirm your tears.
That was obviously ridiculous, and they should all be fired.
On second thought, they should all have to go 5 rounds with Anderson Silva...
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Let me ask this just I don't watch this ghey assed octagon cage match suck fest shit. Can you not grab his foot/leg, put him on his ass, and commence to whipping his ass?
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I love the "shoot 'em in the leg so they can't run" people. That's a damn good plan until the bullet exits the leg and hits a 2 year old playing in his yard in the head. Great idea!!
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Let me ask this just I don't watch this ghey assed octagon cage match suck fest shit. Can you not grab his foot/leg, put him on his ass, and commence to whipping his ass?
Yes, you can. However, the kick in that .gif was slowed down significantly. I watched the fight live this weekend and he threw that kick so fast Belfort never saw it coming. It was unbelievable. See Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5u10xg45lI&feature=player_embedded
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I love the "shoot 'em in the leg so they can't run" people. That's a damn good plan until the bullet exits the leg and hits a 2 year old playing in his yard in the head. Great idea!!
Or the bullet hits his Femoral artery and he dies...there is that too.
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Let me ask this just I don't watch this ghey assed octagon cage match suck fest shit. Can you not grab his foot/leg, put him on his ass, and commence to whipping his ass?
In a word!!! NO. Put him on his ass and you'll be choked out in about 4 seconds flat. You hear me, boy?? Choked out like the little bitch you...oh sorry, got carried away.
Seriously, I'm into this stuff big time and it's absolutely amazing what these guys can do. Slow mo on that kick looks pretty mundane. The real time snap on his head was sic.
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Or the bullet hits his Femoral artery and he dies...there is that too.
Poor Hoobler.
(http://www.dday-overlord.com/img/bob/acteurs/band_of_brothers_donald_hoobler_2.jpg)
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Or the bullet hits his Femoral artery and he dies...there is that too.
No, its OK if he dies. I mean, he shouldn't have been running anyway.
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You sir, are an idiot. I hope you get pulled over by the cops and they proceed to beat you...then, after you are crying about it... I'm going to ask for photos after the fact to confirm your tears.
That was obviously ridiculous, and they should all be fired.
A typical whiny little bitch, know-it-all response... How long was the kid in the hospital after this horrific beatdown? If it was so bad, were there any pictures, medical treatments or other evidence confirming any real injuries? I've seen after-school fights uglier than this. Yes, it looks horrible, but I'm not lining up with the sheep or drinking anyone's kool-aid. When anyone runs from the police, the police should be authorized to shoot them in the face. You cringe at that concept, and it's your pathetic views that have turned criminal justice in America into a joke.
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A typical whiny little bitch, know-it-all response... How long was the kid in the hospital after this horrific beatdown? If it was so bad, were there any pictures, medical treatments or other evidence confirming any real injuries? I've seen after-school fights uglier than this. Yes, it looks horrible, but I'm not lining up with the sheep or drinking anyone's kool-aid. When anyone runs from the police, the police should be authorized to shoot them in the face. You cringe at that concept, and it's your pathetic views that have turned criminal justice in America into a joke.
You're the joke, and obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 1. They are law enforcement officers. 2. They are held to a higher standard because they enforce the law. 3. The kid put his hands on top of his head. 4. They proceeded to kick him in the face.
I don't understand how you fail to see the wrong in this...
You want to see the severity of the injuries? He got kicked in the fucking face. You have seen worse grade school fights? It was 4 or 5 grown men who were POLICE OFFICERS kicking and hitting someone on the ground. It doesn't fucking matter if he has lifelong scars or not... or whether you have seen worse fights...or whether he kicked him with steel toe boots or fucking ballet shoes... The cops beat him and there was no reason or justification for it. Any argument or retarded reasoning you throw forward can not validate it.
I want you to lay on the ground while someone kicks you in the face...then, I want you to argue that it is blown out of proportions because there is no proof of visible injury after the fact. Moron.
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should have just shot the bastard and then gone and got some doughnuts and coffee.
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should have just shot the bastard and then gone and got some doughnuts and coffee.
That's how Token takes care of bidness
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You're the joke, and obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 1. They are law enforcement officers. 2. They are held to a higher standard because they enforce the law. 3. The kid put his hands on top of his head. 4. They proceeded to kick him in the face.
Have to agree here. Like Token said, when you see face down, hands on top of head, and legs spread, that means shut it down. Sure, you put a flying knee into the guys back. Sure, you push his hand up his back a little farther than you should, and you snatch his dumb ass off the ground. There is no way that force was justifiable in that situation. These officers being fired and prosecuted isn't a matter of the system being all fucked up. They ignored the system, whatever rules that may dictate. And that's why their ass is in a crack.
Anybody who condones what happened in that video and thinks that is the model that law enforcement should adopt is nuts. That's asking for trouble, and alot of hurt or dead cops. Police are held to a higher moral standard than whatever thug knocks off a gas station. There is a reason for that.
If I'm armchair quarterbacking it, and using our department's use of force policy, if you got the right judge you MIGHT be able to argue if somebody tased or sprayed the kid. M A Y B E. "Oh yeah, I heard him say that he was about to get up and whip our asses. Oh yeah, he was trying to snatch away from me." Even that would be really really iffy. But this? Shiiiittttt....
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You're the joke, and obviously have no idea what you are talking about. 1. They are law enforcement officers. 2. They are held to a higher standard because they enforce the law. 3. The kid put his hands on top of his head. 4. They proceeded to kick him in the face.
I don't understand how you fail to see the wrong in this...
You want to see the severity of the injuries? He got kicked in the phuking face. You have seen worse grade school fights? It was 4 or 5 grown men who were POLICE OFFICERS kicking and hitting someone on the ground. It doesn't phuking matter if he has lifelong scars or not... or whether you have seen worse fights...or whether he kicked him with steel toe boots or phuking ballet shoes... The cops beat him and there was no reason or justification for it. Any argument or retarded reasoning you throw forward can not validate it.
I want you to lay on the ground while someone kicks you in the face...then, I want you to argue that it is blown out of proportions because there is no proof of visible injury after the fact. Moron.
Like I said, whiny little bitch response...
They're law enforcement officers... They're held to a higher standard...
Kick him in the face? You're seeing what you want to see in that video, and there will be no reasoning with your kind. Wrong? Of course, it was wrong, but people like you are so hell-bent on handicapping our law enforcement that they can't enforce laws anymore without fear of losing their jobs, fear of criminal prosecution, risk of civil judgments or the media persecution that accompanies all of this.
It was 4 or 5 grown men... wiff steel toe boots... Boo-hoo-hoo...
I'm not convinced the beatdown was as intense as it appeared in that video. That is all. If the kid was injured, I'll buy into it, but if there were no injuries, this was the overdramatic hype along the lines of "shock and awe" to overcome the little bastard and get him to submit to the officers. Laying on the ground doesn't say anything. Overdone... yes.
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I would have to say that if they're holding back or faking some of that...how stupid can someone be? You know it's gonna' be filmed. EVERYTHING is on tape these days.
I'm with Edward Runswithscissorhands on this. An extra kidney shot or two with the knee...a good streeeetch on that rotator cuff picking him up....watch your head there, while putting him in the car. But if you don't realize that a prolonged ass beating by officers to a man on the ground is not going to be captured live on VHS/Beta...you're too stupid to wear a badge.
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Like I said, whiny little bitch response...
They're law enforcement officers... They're held to a higher standard...
Kick him in the face? You're seeing what you want to see in that video, and there will be no reasoning with your kind. Wrong? Of course, it was wrong, but people like you are so hell-bent on handicapping our law enforcement that they can't enforce laws anymore without fear of losing their jobs, fear of criminal prosecution, risk of civil judgments or the media persecution that accompanies all of this.
It doesn't matter where they kicked him. It doesn't matter how hard they kicked him. It doesn't matter how many of them kicked him. The point I think you are missing is that things like this is what truly handicaps law enforcement. If shit like this did not happen, the advocates wouldn't have anything to reference to say "SEE, this is why officers need some sort of control!". If I did what those officers did to some random guy on the street, my ass would go to jail. I would get convicted, real quick. What makes them any better?
I'm all about giving law enforcement the tools and abilities to do their job. I'm on that side of the fence. I've had to fight idiots in the jail, and I always win. And that's when they're TRYING to fight me. I've managed to do it without getting fired, sued, etc. Really, it isn't that difficult given all of the nifty gadgets we have nowadays. It actually takes more effort to be a dumbass and not follow our rules; and the rules police have to go by are fairly lenient.
I'm not convinced the beatdown was as intense as it appeared in that video. That is all. If the kid was injured, I'll buy into it, but if there were no injuries, this was the overdramatic hype along the lines of "shock and awe" to overcome the little bastard and get him to submit to the officers. Laying on the ground doesn't say anything. Overdone... yes.
I don't understand. Do you think they were just kicking the ground, and acting like they were going to kick him? Acting like they were punching him? How much did he need to be subdued to effectively arrest him? He was on the ground, in a surrender position.
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Like I said, whiny little bitch response...
They're law enforcement officers... They're held to a higher standard...
Kick him in the face? You're seeing what you want to see in that video, and there will be no reasoning with your kind. Wrong? Of course, it was wrong, but people like you are so hell-bent on handicapping our law enforcement that they can't enforce laws anymore without fear of losing their jobs, fear of criminal prosecution, risk of civil judgments or the media persecution that accompanies all of this.
It was 4 or 5 grown men... wiff steel toe boots... Boo-hoo-hoo...
I'm not convinced the beatdown was as intense as it appeared in that video. That is all. If the kid was injured, I'll buy into it, but if there were no injuries, this was the overdramatic hype along the lines of "shock and awe" to overcome the little bastard and get him to submit to the officers. Laying on the ground doesn't say anything. Overdone... yes.
There is no hope for you.
1. He was kicked in the face. It is in the video. Everyone can see it. Either 1. You think the video is fake or 2. You didn't watch it. Either way, you are a certifiable ard-tard to try to argue that fact. It's as clear as day that you know you are wrong so you try to come up with that shit.
2. Read what I wrote. I didn't say he was kicked with steel boats. I was using a metaphor to mock your obviously asinine argument.
Just do us all a favor, be quiet and let the adults talk. K.Thx.
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It doesn't matter where they kicked him. It doesn't matter how hard they kicked him. It doesn't matter how many of them kicked him. The point I think you are missing is that things like this is what truly handicaps law enforcement. If poop like this did not happen, the advocates wouldn't have anything to reference to say "SEE, this is why officers need some sort of control!". If I did what those officers did to some random guy on the street, my ass would go to jail. I would get convicted, real quick. What makes them any better?
So, I'm with you to some degree, but the beatdown was a tactic to control the situation. I've never disagreed that it was wrong, but I don't agree that it was the horrible beatdown that it appears to be in that video. I'm not unreasonable... If he was injured, fire the cops... Get the tar and feathers out too...
I don't understand. Do you think they were just kicking the ground, and acting like they were going to kick him? Acting like they were punching him? How much did he need to be subdued to effectively arrest him? He was on the ground, in a surrender position.
They didn't know if he was armed. They didn't know if he would make a break for it if given the opportunity. I suspect that they overwhelmed him to gain the superior advantage. We don't know.
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Anyone see how CM Punk and Nexus overwhelmed Randy Orton last night to gain an advantage? They were trying to take out all the competitors prior to Wrestlemania.
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Anyone see how CM Punk and Nexus overwhelmed Randy Orton last night to gain an advantage? They were trying to take out all the competitors prior to Wrestlemania.
So did you get this kid to sign the paperwork yet? He needs lawyers that care.
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So, I'm with you to some degree, but the beatdown was a tactic to control the situation. I've never disagreed that it was wrong, but I don't agree that it was the horrible beatdown that it appears to be in that video. I'm not unreasonable... If he was injured, fire the cops... Get the tar and feathers out too...
Fire the cops regardless of whether he was "injured" or not. But, looking at the video, I would imagine he was feeling mighty sore the next day. It's only a matter of time until cops like that do it again. Then, whoever that guy's defense attorney is will totally dunk the case by using that video to establish a pattern. Keeping officers like that is a liability to their department, and the public.
They didn't know if he was armed. They didn't know if he would make a break for it if given the opportunity. I suspect that they overwhelmed him to gain the superior advantage. We don't know.
Still, it doesn't matter if he was armed. Obviously they weren't concerned about that, otherwise they would have cuffed and searched him immediately. There would have been no making a break for it had they done that in the first place either. As it stands, dude damn near had 5 cops on top of him the second he hit the ground. The officer that hit him with the car made a perfect clip. Up until the guys came in and beat him down, you couldn't have planned a better well executed takedown.
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There is no hope for you.
1. He was kicked in the face. It is in the video. Everyone can see it. Either 1. You think the video is fake or 2. You didn't watch it. Either way, you are a certifiable ard-tard to try to argue that fact. It's as clear as day that you know you are wrong so you try to come up with that poop.
There might be one kick that you could argue touched his face, but the majority of kicks were more towards the shoulder and maybe the back of the head. You also cannot argue that these are full-force blows with an intention to cause any real injury. You're just joining the overdramatic crowd (sheep) by emphasizing that he was being kicked in the face. I don't see it, and I just watched the video again.
2. Read what I wrote. I didn't say he was kicked with steel boats. I was using a metaphor to mock your obviously asinine argument.
Just do us all a favor, be quiet and let the adults talk. K.Thx.
Adults? Come on now... Playing ass-to-mouth games with your SO doesn't make you an adult. You drama-queens are all alike...
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No ass kicking administered by the police after a chase is tactically carried out to scare the perp. It's adrenalin, rage, and the sense of victory all rolled into one. It's a full blown melee. I guaren-fucking-tee not a single one of those guys held anything back. Those officers lost their job, cast a bad image on their department, and may have hampered any other cases they made just because they couldn't show restraint. All over a punk ass kid who probably would have been allowed to plead to theft 3rd instead of robbery so a pussy DA could keep the conviction rate up.
It's 2011. As someone has already mentioned, cameras are EVERYWHERE. If those guys are going to risk everything just so they could get the satisfaction of kicking this shit out of someone, they picked the wrong guy.
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Fire the cops regardless of whether he was "injured" or not. But, looking at the video, I would imagine he was feeling mighty sore the next day. It's only a matter of time until cops like that do it again. Then, whoever that guy's defense attorney is will totally dunk the case by using that video to establish a pattern. Keeping officers like that is a liability to their department, and the public.
Again, you're assuming that this beatdown was even legit. Show me a swollen face... a bruised ribcage... other marks that he would have undoubtedlly received from this attack... Those pics would have been just as horrific as the actual appearance of the beatdown if this was actually legit (as in full-force punches, kicks, etc.).
Still, it doesn't matter if he was armed. Obviously they weren't concerned about that, otherwise they would have cuffed and searched him immediately. There would have been no making a break for it had they done that in the first place either. As it stands, dude damn near had 5 cops on top of him the second he hit the ground. The officer that hit him with the car made a perfect clip. Up until the guys came in and beat him down, you couldn't have planned a better well executed takedown.
As I said... We don't know...
- What the officers were thinking at the time...
- What they had experienced with this kid prior to this...
- What they had experienced in similar situations prior to this...
You're talking about beat him down again like you know for certain that this kid was in the ICU for 3 weeks after this. Just a lot of speculation on everyone's part...
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No ass kicking administered by the police after a chase is tactically carried out to scare the perp. It's adrenalin, rage...
Horseshit...
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You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?
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Horseshit...
Token is a Sheriff you know, I think if anyone he would know?
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Again, you're assuming that this beatdown was even legit. Show me a swollen face... a bruised ribcage... other marks that he would have undoubtedlly received from this attack... Those pics would have been just as horrific as the actual appearance of the beatdown if this was actually legit (as in full-force punches, kicks, etc.).
Doesn't. Matter. Dude, if you think those cops were just acting and not really hitting him just to get a scare out of him, then you're out of touch.
Bottom line: In no way, shape, or form is what happened in that video justifiable. Not even close.
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You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?
Thats kind of what I was thinking.
GarMan might be on an island here by himself on this one....unless he's just tying to rile Taylor with the devil's advocate.
BIG PICTURE HERE: They violated protocol. Whether they were fake kicks, whether they landed, whether he's in ICU....doesn't matter. Dude put his hands behind his head - time to shut it down as RWS said. There was what appears to be a blatant assault by the cops in this video. The outcome doesn't make a rat's ass.
The intent to strike the guy was there. And the intended action happened. It was excessive. It violated protocol. End. Of. Story.
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You are fucking around here right Garmen? No way you actually believe this shit right? Please?
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I hope that wasn't a treble hook, those are some sombitches to remove once they're set in deep.
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Thats kind of what I was thinking.
GarMan might be on an island here by himself on this one....unless he's just tying to rile Taylor with the devil's advocate.
BIG PICTURE HERE: They violated protocol. Whether they were fake kicks, whether they landed, whether he's in ICU....doesn't matter. Dude put his hands behind his head - time to shut it down as RWS said. There was what appears to be a blatant assault by the cops in this video. The outcome doesn't make a rat's ass.
The intent to strike the guy was there. And the intended action happened. It was excessive. It violated protocol. End. Of. Story.
This. Coupled with Tokens response.
The officers DID go over the line, but a good ass-whipping goes a long way. Now, however, the good ass-whipping is for naught. This kid will be back stealing and running tomorrow.
We need public caning. Repeat offenders are few.
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See, I would believe you, if we weren't talking about Garman.
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Oh come on... This is freakin' ridiculous. The way some of you are reacting, you'd think I've insulted your mothers or attacked your wives. This is silly... But, let's try this one more time. You're welcome to take it any way you'd like.
I've never stated or argued that the police weren't wrong and shouldn't be punished. All of the ramblings related to that are pointless. I've only doubted the severity of this beatdown. It looks horrible, but I'm not going to jump in line and accept popular opinion. I'm no sheep, and I'm definitely not a lemming...
http://www.youtube.com/v/pK1jMHE1bkw?fs=1&hl=en_US
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Oh come on... This is freakin' ridiculous. The way some of you are reacting, you'd think I've insulted your mothers or attacked your wives. This is silly... But, let's try this one more time. You're welcome to take it any way you'd like.
I've never stated or argued that the police weren't wrong and shouldn't be punished. All of the ramblings related to that are pointless. I've only doubted the severity of this beatdown. It looks horrible, but I'm not going to jump in line and accept popular opinion. I'm no sheep, and I'm definitely not a lemming...
http://www.youtube.com/v/pK1jMHE1bkw?fs=1&hl=en_US
Well, I guess that answers our questions...
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Another example of a lawsuit that will more than likely be won by the plaintiff:
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/pensacola/beaten-inmate-plans-to-file-lawsuit
Notice there was no beatdown. There was no chase. But, that deputy will be fired, and the inmate will win that case.
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Jail should be a miserable place that not one inmate ever wants to return to. No cameras. No niceties. No decent food. Sleep outside on cots. And don't even look at THE MAN.
The Sheriff got it right.
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Well, I guess that answers our questions...
Sorry Sweatheart... I don't relate very well with your modern pussified mode of thinking. BTW, I wonder if any of those mean-spirited, brutish cops were CHRISTIAN... THAT would explain it!