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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on November 17, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
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Except it was damaged by water. Darn.
Bill Bell, a Mississippi State booster and former player at the school, told the NCAA he received a text message from a man claiming to represent Cam Newton's father that outlined a payment plan designed to bring the quarterback to the Bulldogs.
Bell said former teammate Kenny Rogers told him Cecil Newton wanted money for his son to play at Mississippi State.
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Bell told ESPN.com he also shared a series of voice mail messages from Rogers with the NCAA last week. Bell said Cecil Newton never specifically asked him for money, but that Newton was present during three-way calls in which Rogers discussed a pay-for-play scheme.
Bell said he told the NCAA that Rogers sent him a text message outlining a payment schedule. Bell said the text included a request for $80,000 the day after Cam Newton signed with Mississippi State, $50,000 after 30 days after that and another $50,000 30 days later.
"When he asked for it, it was like 'Bam!' " Bell said. "He told me this kid's dad is going to want money and the next day he sent me a text message. He didn't say anything other than 'This is what I want and I want it in three installments.'"
Bell said he kept Rogers' text message on his old cell phone, which was damaged by water, but he is currently trying to retrieve the text message through his cell service provider.
Bell also said he has recordings of several voice messages from Rogers, which he played for NCAA investigators.
"[Cecil Newton] didn't come out and say, 'I want $180,000,' " Bell said. "He inferred it and talked about it, but not directly. Kenny would talk about it in front of him, and [Cecil Newton] never corrected him or said, 'No, that's not what we're doing.' "
Bell said the initial contact to him was made by Rogers, who played football with Bell in college. But Bell, a Florida businessman, said he also had several conversations with Cecil Newton during his son's recruitment.
"He said it was going to take more than just a relationship with [Mississippi State coach] Dan Mullen and that Cam's relationship with Mullen wasn't what Mullen thought it was," Bell said. "That's when he said, 'Dan Mullen is going to have to put a smile on my face if he thinks he's going to get my son.' "
Bell said the reason he's providing details of the alleged scheme is because he wants to make sure everybody knows Mississippi State didn't break NCAA rules during its recruitment of Cam Newton, who has emerged as the Heisman Trophy front-runner in his first season at Auburn.
Rogers' attorney, Douglas Zeit, told ESPN.com on Wednesday: "As I understand it, that was the payment plan Cecil Newton was seeking."
Zeit said he did not know whether Cecil Newton participated in three-way calls with Rogers and Bell, but added, "I believe [Newton] was insistent the calls be made" seeking payment. Zeit confirmed that his client met Tuesday with NCAA enforcement representative Jackie Thurnes in person to discuss the Newton case. He said NCAA enforcement rep Marcus Wilson also participated in the interview via telephone.
Zeit said he also has been contacted by the office of Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann seeking an interview with Rogers, but that hasn't happened yet.
No one answered the telephone at Cecil Newton's home in Atlanta on Wednesday.
Last Thursday, Rogers told ESPN 103.3 radio in Dallas that Cecil Newton told him it would take "anywhere between $100,000 and $180,000" for his son to play at Mississippi State.
Rogers said that on Nov. 28, 2009, he and Cecil Newton followed each other out of Starkville, Miss., after the Ole Miss-Mississippi State game. He said Newton asked him: "What do you think is going to happen? You think it's going to go through?"
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He said it was going to take more than just a relationship with Dan Mullen and that Cam's relationship with Mullen wasn't what Mullen thought it was. That's when he said, 'Dan Mullen is going to have to put a smile on my face if he thinks he's going to get my son.'
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-- Mississippi State booster Bill Bell, talking about Cecil Newton
Rogers said he was referred to Bell. Rogers said he left Bell a message telling him he was with Cecil Newton, who wanted to know if the deal was going to happen.
Auburn has contended that Newton is an "eligible student-athlete." Newton played in Auburn's 49-31 victory over Georgia last week.
NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn declined to discuss the specifics of the Newton allegations, but said in general that solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete's family is an NCAA violation. Osburn said the potential penalties for such a violation depend on multiple factors, including the "level of the benefit" being sought and the level of responsibility of the student-athlete.
Osburn said that if a university is not deemed culpable in such an instance, "then it is only a student-athlete eligibility issue." If a violation did occur and the athlete is ruled ineligible, he could appeal for reinstatement.
Osburn said the NCAA handles a high volume of eligibility cases -- "about 2,000 requests a year" -- but they are prioritized based on the next competition for the athlete in question. Since Newton is in the middle of his season, any potential reinstatement case involving him would be expedited.
Bell is the second former Mississippi State player who told ESPN.com that Newton's father, Cecil Newton, was involved in soliciting money in November 2009.
John Bond, who played quarterback at Mississippi State on the same teams with Bell and Rogers, told ESPN.com last week that Rogers also contacted him about an alleged pay-for-play scheme. Bell and Bond have both talked with NCAA investigators, and Bond met Tuesday with FBI officials.
Rogers, whose relationship with Chicago-based agent Ian Greengross is under investigation by the NFL Players Association, was interviewed for several hours by NCAA investigators in Chicago on Tuesday.
Zeit told USA Today on Wednesday that Rogers made it clear that if anybody broke NCAA rules, it was Cecil Newton.
"Nobody's pointing a finger at Mississippi State for doing anything wrong," Zeit told USA Today. "And Kenny has said, 'I had no discussion with Auburn regarding Cam Newton or anybody affiliated with him.' He said, 'I don't know if Auburn has or has not done anything wrong.' He's not pointing a finger at them."
Instead, according to Zeit, Rogers was "pointing a finger direct squarely at the father."
Bell said he called Bond, his close friend, soon after Rogers asked him for money, and Bond informed Mississippi State officials of the pay-for-play scheme. Bell said he was told to stop talking to Cecil Newton and Rogers. Bell said he never talked to Cam Newton during the quarterback's recruitment.
"I've never been involved in paying anything for a player," Bell said. "I'm not that big of a booster. I told Kenny that Coach Mullen was personally handling the recruitment of Cam Newton and no one was going to pay them any money. Kenny said, 'Well, how about $100,000?' "
Newton, a junior from College Park, Ga., has led the No. 2 Tigers to an 11-0 record going into their showdown against No. 11 Alabama in the Nov. 26 Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa, Ala. Auburn will play South Carolina in the Dec. 4 SEC championship game in Atlanta's Georgia Dome and can probably reach the Jan. 10 BCS National Championship Game in Glendale, Ariz., by winning two more games.
Friday, Mississippi State athletic director Scott Stricklin acknowledged in a statement that the school "was approached with an offer to provide an extra benefit" and that the school refused.
Bell said Auburn's recruitment of Cam Newton was never discussed in any of his conversations with Cecil Newton and that he had no knowledge of any improprieties involving the Tigers.
Bell said he didn't even know who Cam Newton was when Rogers initially contacted him and that it was the first time he'd talked to Rogers since their playing days at Mississippi State.
"It was probably three phone calls or so before Kenny said, 'They're going to want money,' " Bell recalled. "It just seemed like he didn't know what he was doing, like it was the first time he'd ever done something like that. I really believe it was Mr. Newton asking Kenny to do it. I don't think it was Kenny's idea."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5818428
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To add to this.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25830618/detail.html
City Sheds Light On Church Linked To Newton Controversy
ATLANTA -- Channel 2 Action News has learned key details about a church headed by Auburn University quarterback Cam Newton’s father, which figured prominently in early news reports about the recruiting controversy surrounding the football star.
Holy Zion Center of Deliverance, Inc. is not allowed to hold services currently because it has not made enough repairs to earn a certificate of occupancy, but only enough to avoid further code enforcement action, said Gina Lau Snider, a spokeswoman for the City of Newnan.
As WSBTV.com first reported Friday night, a source close to the situation told Channel 2 investigative reporter Mark Winne that Newton’s father, Cecil Newton, has made clear Cam Newton’s hands were clean, that that younger Newton had no knowledge of conversations between the dad and an ex-Mississippi State player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Newton signed to play at Mississippi State and that Cecil Newton has steadfastly maintained no money ever changed hands.
No evidence of impropriety by Mississippi State officials has surfaced.
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Previous Stories:
•Ex-Player In Newton Saga Interviewed By FBI
•Newton's Knowledge Of Money Talk Key In NCAA Investigation
•Exclusive: Cam Newton's Dad Admits Money Talks, Says Source
•Covering Cam: Behind Mark Winne's Exclusive
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The church played a significant role in early stories about the Newton matter. For instance, a report on ESPN.com began: During the height of star quarterback Cam Newton's recruitment out of junior college last year, a man who said he represented Newton allegedly was soliciting a six-figure payment to secure his signature on a national letter of intent, ESPN.com has learned.
Of the church, that report said: Cecil Newton said the family received a letter from the NCAA “about a month ago†asking for financial statements. He said he submitted bank statements and records for the church where he is pastor, Holy Zion Center of Deliverance in Newnan, Ga., along with other records.
The church has been in the news in Coweta County, Ga., often in the past year. According to stories in The Times-Herald newspaper, Cecil Newton's church was in danger of being demolished by order of the Newnan City Council in 2009 for failing to meet the city's building code. One story said Cecil Newton told the council last September the building would be brought to code “inside of six months.â€
After numerous delays, extensions and compromises from the council, renovation work began last spring and The Times-Herald reported last week that the church is in compliance with Newnan's building requirements.
The story said Cecil Newton denied any wrongdoing.
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Fwiw...the NCAA met with Bell last week, before they met with Auburn and the Newtons.
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Fwiw...the NCAA met with Bell last week, before they met with Auburn and the Newtons.
But don't you know?
Auburn didn't want to play Newton against UGA. Well, some of Auburn's higher ups didn't want to play Newton against UGA.
But Lowder, Dye, and Chizik rallied together and made sure he played anyway. Because if we're going down, hell's coming with us.
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Except it was damaged by water. Darn.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5818428
That piece was actually on my clipboard to post here.
"Hey Mr. Fed Man. I got these texts, but my danged phone got dropped in the toilet. Oh, and it was Cecil Newton that sent them, but I also got these phone calls from Rogers, but I know Cecil was there! No shit guys, really, it's true. Oh, and I saved recordings of these phone messages too, I'll have to find them. And Cecil never actually SAID he wanted money, but I knew what he meant by the way Kenny was leaving messages on my phone...which as soon as I find them, I'll get them right to you...here listen to how Kenny just lets you know Cecil is right there."
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Jesus this is fucking laughable. I didn't even catch this part the first read:
"It was probably three phone calls or so before Kenny said, 'They're going to want money,' " Bell recalled. "It just seemed like he didn't know what he was doing, like it was the first time he'd ever done something like that. I really believe it was Mr. Newton asking Kenny to do it. I don't think it was Kenny's idea."
Didn't Bill Bell, John Bond, and Kenny Rogers all play football together?
"Kenny's NEVER done something like this before. But this one time...not sure why...but for some reason, he decided to start doing this with Cam Newton. Must have been that evil Cecil Newton doing it all. Yeah. That's it."
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Sounds like MSU is scrambling like a mother fucker to save their asses. Bell: If I say MSU is innocent enough, maybe the mean ol NCAA and FBI will stop digging, because I'm not that big of a booster.
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Sounds like MSU is scrambling like a mother fucker to save their asses. Bell: If I say MSU is innocent enough, maybe the mean ol NCAA and FBI will stop digging, because I'm not that big of a booster.
What Bond, Rogers, and Bell don't realize is that by giving certain answers they think "clear" MSU, they're implicating themselves personally in a conspiracy.
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What I 100% believe from everything leaked in the last 3 weeks.
1. MSU was actively trying to purchase Cam Newton's signature.
2. Cecil Newton isn't as squeaky clean as he first implied when this came to the light.
What I believe will happen in the future.
1. IF Auburn is guilty of paying Cecil for Cam, it will come out. Too many on this story to hide the money trial. If the money isn't found, I 100% don't believe there was any.
2. Cecil Newton claims to be a man of God. If he has been untruthful through this, his transgressions will be brought to light.
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What I 100% believe from everything leaked in the last 3 weeks.
1. MSU was actively trying to purchase Cam Newton's signature.
2. Cecil Newton isn't as squeaky clean as he first implied when this came to the light.
What I believe will happen in the future.
1. IF Auburn is guilty of paying Cecil for Cam, it will come out. Too many on this story to hide the money trial. If the money isn't found, I 100% don't believe there was any.
2. Cecil Newton claims to be a man of God. If he has been untruthful through this, his transgressions will be brought to light.
I agree, except to add that I'd like to believe that MSU or maybe Bell sent Rogers to contact Cecil, Rogers floated the idea about money, and Cecil entertained the thought for a bit. Anybody could be tempted like that...I want to believe he was not out trying to sell Cam. I also sort of want to believe that Bond did the right thing and blew the whistle, but I'm not confident in him.
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This is the EXACT same story that broke 2 weeks ago. EXACT! How is this breaking news? What has been shared today, that wasn't shared two weeks ago? That there was a text, but it got erased? haha...ok.
And another thing...I know for a 100% fact that Be;; can "try and get the text back" all he wants, and that shit isn't going to happen. Text data is erased after 3 days or so. The ONLY way anything like that is even tried to get retrieved is if there is a court order. You think that these fuckers that are trying to prove this shit wouldn't know a court order has been given?
I agree, except to add that I'd like to believe that MSU or maybe Bell sent Rogers to contact Cecil, Rogers floated the idea about money, and Cecil entertained the thought for a bit. Anybody could be tempted like that...I want to believe he was not out trying to sell Cam. I also sort of want to believe that Bond did the right thing and blew the whistle, but I'm not confident in him.
I 100% believe that this is what happened. I think this is solely on Kenny Rogers...
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This is the EXACT same story that broke 2 weeks ago. EXACT! How is this breaking news? What has been shared today, that wasn't shared two weeks ago? That there was a text, but it got erased? haha...ok.
And another thing...I know for a 100% fact that Be;; can "try and get the text back" all he wants, and that shit isn't going to happen. Text data is erased after 3 days or so. The ONLY way anything like that is even tried to get retrieved is if there is a court order. You think that these fuckers that are trying to prove this shit wouldn't know a court order has been given?
I 100% believe that this is what happened. I think this is solely on Kenny Rogers...
Even if he retrived it...it would still be a text from Rogers.
Don't be scared bammers, Cam will play in the Iron Bowl, you don't need to fret.
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What I 100% believe from everything leaked in the last 3 weeks.
1. MSU was actively trying to purchase Cam Newton's signature.
2. Cecil Newton isn't as squeaky clean as he first implied when this came to the light.
What I believe will happen in the future.
1. IF Auburn is guilty of paying Cecil for Cam, it will come out. Too many on this story to hide the money trial. If the money isn't found, I 100% don't believe there was any.
2. Cecil Newton claims to be a man of God. If he has been untruthful through this, his transgressions will be brought to light.
I'm to the point where I don't think it matters what Cecil did or didn't do. The SEC/NCAA seems to be steering this case to clear Cam and AU as long as it's proven that Cam didn't know what was going on. It's the one glimmer of hope that the NCAA really does care about its students.
On the other hand, if this shit does start to hit the fan, I'm leaning towards thinking that Obama will have to declare martial law in Auburn and all degrees dating back to 1982 will be nullified.
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The SEC is pushing this under the rug, they need Cam. Oh look an alien
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This is the EXACT same story that broke 2 weeks ago. EXACT! How is this breaking news? What has been shared today, that wasn't shared two weeks ago? That there was a text, but it got erased? haha...ok.
And another thing...I know for a 100% fact that Be;; can "try and get the text back" all he wants, and that shit isn't going to happen. Text data is erased after 3 days or so. The ONLY way anything like that is even tried to get retrieved is if there is a court order. You think that these fuckers that are trying to prove this shit wouldn't know a court order has been given?
I 100% believe that this is what happened. I think this is solely on Kenny Rogers...
Well...there's your two sources, write that shit up and send it to the media....Championship.
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The only things this proves is more hearsay and assumptions. Also, it is clear to me that Rogers will be the fall guy. The one thing that has been consistent from everyone except Rogers, is that Rogers was the one asking for money and hearsay that Cecil put him up to it.
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... Text data is erased after 3 days or so. ...
Kwame Kilpatrick would like a word with you.
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The SEC is pushing this under the rug, they need Cam. Oh look an alien
haha...I feel the exact same way. This shit really doesn't even bother me any more...
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What I 100% believe from everything leaked in the last 3 weeks.
1. MSU was actively trying to purchase Cam Newton's signature.
2. Cecil Newton isn't as squeaky clean as he first implied when this came to the light.
What I believe will happen in the future.
1. IF Auburn is guilty of paying Cecil for Cam, it will come out. Too many on this story to hide the money trial. If the money isn't found, I 100% don't believe there was any.
2. Cecil Newton claims to be a man of God. If he has been untruthful through this, his transgressions will be brought to light.
Exactly. If AU comes out unscathed in this, you know there will be tons of people saying that AU "bought" their way out of it, etc. Basically the same shit AU boards say is the reason why UA doesn't get caught for paying players. But in this post-Reggie Bush NCAA, there is no fucking way that the NCAA won't find a money trail if one exists. If the NCAA says it didn't happen, then no way it happened. Period.
As far as Cecil goes, if I'm Cecil and my hands were totally clean in this situation, I would be shouting to any news media outlet that would give me 2 minutes worth of air time that I was innocent, and I was going to fuck up a bunch of people when this is over for reporting this false bullshit. I'm sure an attorney is telling him to keep his mouth shut, but if I was innocent, fuck all that. I would be going postal about it anytime I could.
I like Cam. I think he's a better athlete than Tebow. You can't help but like the guy and his energy. I would rather all of the positive attention and the success he is seeing going towards an Alabama player, but oh well. I don't have it out for him or AU. Is it fun to kind of fuck with you guys about this, given all of the rumors started about Alabama in the past few years? You bet your ass it is. Especially with certain people on this board. I don't mind dumping a little gas on the fire every once in a while. But given the past infractions Alabama has committed, and the penalties that crippled our program for the better part of the decade, I just can't really wish that on another fanbase.
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Exactly. If AU comes out unscathed in this, you know there will be tons of people saying that AU "bought" their way out of it, etc. Basically the same shit AU boards say is the reason why UA doesn't get caught for paying players. But in this post-Reggie Bush NCAA, there is no fucking way that the NCAA won't find a money trail if one exists. If the NCAA says it didn't happen, then no way it happened. Period.
As far as Cecil goes, if I'm Cecil and my hands were totally clean in this situation, I would be shouting to any news media outlet that would give me 2 minutes worth of air time that I was innocent, and I was going to fuck up a bunch of people when this is over for reporting this false bullshit. I'm sure an attorney is telling him to keep his mouth shut, but if I was innocent, fuck all that. I would be going postal about it anytime I could.
I like Cam. I think he's a better athlete than Tebow. You can't help but like the guy and his energy. I would rather all of the positive attention and the success he is seeing going towards an Alabama player, but oh well. I don't have it out for him or AU. Is it fun to kind of fuck with you guys about this, given all of the rumors started about Alabama in the past few years? You bet your ass it is. Especially with certain people on this board. I don't mind dumping a little gas on the fire every once in a while. But given the past infractions Alabama has committed, and the penalties that crippled our program for the better part of the decade, I just can't really wish that on another fanbase.
Like I said Cam will play in a week and 3 days and you will get to see him destroy your team live on TV. No worries ;)
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Like I said Cam will play in a week and 3 days and you will get to see him destroy your team live on TV. No worries ;)
If he does, he does. AU is obviously the better team this year, and it very well may happen. I hope we win, but I just don't think our team will do it.
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If he does, he does. AU is obviously the better team this year, and it very well may happen. I hope we win, but I just don't think our team will do it.
54- 24 AU
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54- 24 AU
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's slow down for a minute. 30 points? That's what you think Auburn will win by, or that's how many points you are willing to give me in a bet?
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This is the EXACT same story that broke 2 weeks ago. EXACT! How is this breaking news? What has been shared today, that wasn't shared two weeks ago? That there was a text, but it got erased? haha...ok.
And another thing...I know for a 100% fact that Be;; can "try and get the text back" all he wants, and that shit isn't going to happen. Text data is erased after 3 days or so. The ONLY way anything like that is even tried to get retrieved is if there is a court order. You think that these fuckers that are trying to prove this shit wouldn't know a court order has been given?
I 100% believe that this is what happened. I think this is solely on Kenny Rogers...
Here's what I think, no 100% believe happened. Cecil told them exactly that. "Rogers approached me, said maybe I could get some money for Cam, and I considered it. He contacted Bell, and Bond".
Which makes hit his word vs 2 folks that have already lied in this matter, and at least 2 of which were trying to secure the funds. The common thread to them all? Rogers.
Shit don't really get serious in legal matters like this until money changes hands. No money changed hands. So, absent that, you have 4 people admitting some level of involvment, and each still pointing the finger at the other 3 saying they were the more guilty ones.
For the NCAA to rule Cam ineligible...they have to take the word of 2 known liars, and Bell who's lost these texts, all of who know each other, played together, and are MSU alum, vs a preacher.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's slow down for a minute. 30 points? That's what you think Auburn will win by, or that's how many points you are willing to give me in a bet?
I may or may not be drunk, but I know we win
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I may or may not be drunk, but I know we win
That was my next question. No way in hell would I bet straight up, but I'll snatch your fucking arm off if 30 points are in play.
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alright 54-28..thats probably more like it.
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alright 54-28..thats probably more like it.
No, no. Bama's score won't be any number that can be divided by 7. We are going to stall out inside the 20 at least 3 times and kick FGs.
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No, no. Bama's score won't be any number that can be divided by 7. We are going to stall out inside the 20 at least 3 times and kick FGs.
Liar.
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Liar.
You obviously haven't watched any Bama games this year. We like the 3 point plays. The only two games we didn't kick a FG, we lost both.
FGs are the key.
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For the NCAA to rule Cam ineligible...they have to take the word of 2 known liars, and Bell who's lost these texts, all of who know each other, played together, and are MSU alum, vs a preacher.
Like I said, the one common denominator is Rogers. On one had you have Bell and Bond saying Cecil asked for money through Rogers but never heard Cecil asked for money. You have Cecil saying that money was brought up in conversation. Then you have Rogers, that has changed three times, saying Cecil asked for the money in a meeting that didn't mean a damn bit of sense. Lets not forget he is already under investigation. Couple that with the fact the FBI has been involved, the word "scape-goat" comes to mind. The only thing left is MSU better hope that he never donated money to MSU.
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I'll make a bet with you Token.
I'll give you 10 points.
bama wins you get to pick my avatar and comment under my avatar from the game end until the end of 2010
Auburn wins I get the same, for you.
Bet?
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I'll make a bet with you Token.
I'll give you 10 points.
bama wins you get to pick my avatar and comment under my avatar from the game end until the end of 2010
Auburn wins I get the same, for you.
Bet?
Fuck no.
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One more thing, Herbstreit said on FB that there will be a big story to break tonight or tomorrow. I am gonna go out on a limb and say that Auburn is cleared of any suspicion and Cam will be officially ruled to play by the NCAA.
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I'll make a bet with you Token.
I'll give you 10 points.
bama wins you get to pick my avatar and comment under my avatar from the game end until the end of 2010
Auburn wins I get the same, for you.
Bet?
I almost made the -10 point bet...but I am not drunk enough...
Fuck no.
Really? Wow...
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Fuck no.
Whats a matter Col. Sanders.....Chicken?
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Whats a matter Col. Sanders.....Chicken?
1. Auburn has shown a tendency this season to pile on meaningless points at the end of games, once the opposition has given up.
2. You are way to good at the interwebz....and you already have a decent enough picture of me to make something extremely humiliating.
I'm much more concerned about #2 than I am #1. It would take at least 17 points for me to invite that kind of ridicule.
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1. Auburn has shown a tendency this season to pile on meaningless points at the end of games, once the opposition has given up.
2. You are way to good at the interwebz....and you already have a decent enough picture of me to make something extremely humiliating.
I'm much more concerned about #2 than I am #1. It would take at least 17 points for me to invite that kind of ridicule.
Ill give you 15, but you don't get the text under the avatar.
However I get avatar and text.
End of game till Dec 31, 2010
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1. Auburn has shown a tendency this season to pile on meaningless points at the end of games, once the opposition has given up.
what the fuck ever...
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Come on Token, you pussy; take the bet.
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Ill give you 15, but you don't get the text under the avatar.
However I get avatar and text.
End of game till Dec 31, 2010
You wanna sober up a bit before we finalize this deal?
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what the fuck ever...
Ok, I'll word it differently. Chizik doesn't believe in sitting on leads late in the game.
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You wanna sober up a bit before we finalize this deal?
I am ready to go...are you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
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Fuck no.
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I'm smellin' fear bitches!
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Bell: "I told him that we weren't going to pay."
Rogers: "How about $100,000?"
Sounds like extortion to me.
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Ok, I'll word it differently. Chizik doesn't believe in sitting on leads late in the game.
Seriously? Have you seen our defense? uga hung 21 on us in 3 nanoseconds. Arkansas is still scoring on us.......
The late points are not meaningless.....not with this AU team.........we need all we can get, and it has been damn fun watching them get every single one of them.
IF AU and Oregon make it to the BCS game the over/under will be 200.
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Seriously? Have you seen our defense? uga hung 21 on us in 3 nanoseconds. Arkansas is still scoring on us.......
The late points are not meaningless.....not with this AU team.........we need all we can get, and it has been damn fun watching them get every single one of them.
IF AU and Oregon make it to the BCS game the over/under will be 200.
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And that furthers my point. If Auburn can score 21 on Bama in the 4th, regardless of the score, they are going to do it.
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And that furthers my point. If Auburn can score 21 on Bama in the 4th, regardless of the score, they are going to do it.
Ok fucktard, go dig yourself a hole in the ground because this shit is about to get real.
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I thought it got real a few posts down? You know, the attempted vehicular manslaughter post?
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I thought it got real a few posts down? You know, the attempted vehicular manslaughter post?
You sure you're in the right thread drunktard?
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I thought it got real a few posts threads down? You know, the attempted vehicular manslaughter post?
You sure you're in the right thread drunktard?
That's what I meant.
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And that furthers my point. If Auburn can score 21 on Bama in the 4th, regardless of the score, they are going to do it.
ok, lost me there, as you had no point to begin with so no point to further along....,............lets just say that if one finds themselves not liking the current score during an Auburn game, just hang on a minute because it is going to change rather soon.......again and again and again.
ps: I like the slot pic......BUT everyone knows LaLa did not let anyone but him play HIS slot machine.
pps: I love the unoriginality of folks that try to paint others with their sins. Seriously, ya'll's "big wigs" need to come into the 21st century and get a new shtick.
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ok, lost me there, as you had no point to begin with so no point to further along....,............lets just say that if one finds themselves not liking the current score during an Auburn game, just hang on a minute because it is going to change rather soon.......again and again and again.
ps: I like the slot pic......BUT everyone knows LaLa did not let anyone but him play HIS slot machine.
pps: I love the unoriginality of folks that try to paint others with their sins. Seriously, ya'll's "big wigs" need to come into the 21st century and get a new shtick.
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My original point was, although I didn't articulate it well, AU has scored some serious fucking points this season. And they've scored those points with quickness. In 7 meaningful games, Auburn has scored 148 points in the second half alone. Most of those points came in a flurry. In 2 of the "big" games, Auburn was up 4 over UGA entering the 4th and was up by 18 halfway through the 4th. Against Arkansas, Arky was up by 6 with 14:00 to play in the 4th. With 7:00 left to play, Auburn was up by 22.
So, there's no way in hell I'd take a bet with only a 10 point spread (nor would I take a bet with a 15 point spread). AU can cover 21 in a matter of minutes.
And I have no idea what the pps comment is about. So I can't respond.
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"Attempted Vehicular Manslaughter....whatever the fuck that means."
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"Vehicular Manslaughter....whatever the fuck that means."
Attempted...
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My original point was, although I didn't articulate it well, AU has scored some serious phuking points this season. And they've scored those points with quickness. In 7 meaningful games, Auburn has scored 148 points in the second half alone. Most of those points came in a flurry. In 2 of the "big" games, Auburn was up 4 over UGA entering the 4th and was up by 18 halfway through the 4th. Against Arkansas, Arky was up by 6 with 14:00 to play in the 4th. With 7:00 left to play, Auburn was up by 22.
So, there's no way in hell I'd take a bet with only a 10 point spread (nor would I take a bet with a 15 point spread). AU can cover 21 in a matter of minutes.
And I have no idea what the pps comment is about. So I can't respond.
understand now..................since you refused to take the bet I just flushed it from my mind.
as for the pps, well either you understand and are smart enough to claim "ignorance" on a message board....or you are not old enough to understand. (the "old enough" is not meant as a slam just a fact that some folks aint been around long enough to understand....aint your fault when your parents decided to copulate)
wonder if any one remembers this old saying:
Well Cleveland St is about to go on some serious probation again. Why? Well, because Kentucky just signed two 7' high school All-Americans.
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Let me pose this question.
Suppose you are the one who has received this text that outlines how the money needs to change hands.
You now have this supposed text that can potentially keep your and your school's ass from being in a sling on an old phone that has gotten water damaged. You have not put said phone in a relatively safe place to ensure that your get out jail card is good to go?
Nobody thinks this smells at all?
Really?
"I did my homework but the dog ate it this morning."
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Let me pose this question.
Suppose you are the one who has received this text that outlines how the money needs to change hands.
You now have this supposed text that can potentially keep your and your school's ass from being in a sling on an old phone that has gotten water damaged. You have not put said phone in a relatively safe place to ensure that your get out jail card is good to go?
Nobody thinks this smells at all?
Really?
"I did my homework but the dog ate it this morning."
This sounds like something my 11 yr old son would say, not an adult booster for MSU.
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This sounds like something my 11 yr old son would say, not an adult booster for MSU.
You r 11 year old is smarter.
Football boosters, those that like to bask in the "glow" of the program, regardless of university affiliation are some of the dumbest sumbiches on the planet.
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understand now..................since you refused to take the bet I just flushed it from my mind.
as for the pps, well either you understand and are smart enough to claim "ignorance" on a message board....or you are not old enough to understand. (the "old enough" is not meant as a slam just a fact that some folks aint been around long enough to understand....aint your fault when your parents uncle and his sister decided to copulate)
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FTFY. :)
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FTFY. :)
287 (g). Familiar with it?
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287 (g). Familiar with it?
Ice ice baby
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Fuck you both, I'm not going anywhere.
There is still a lot of drywalling to be done in this country.
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Fuck you both, I'm not going anywhere.
There is still a lot of drywalling to be done in this country.
If you want to catch some chickens, that's fine. But leave the drywalling jobs to the convicted felons.
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And that furthers my point. If Auburn can score 21 on Bama in the 4th, regardless of the score, they are going to do it.
You said we score a lot of meaningless points. EA's point is that with our D, no points we score are meaningless. How in the heck do you figure that furthers your point? Me thinks he wins, you lose. Are you drunk? You are usually sharper than this Token....I'm very concerned.
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You said we score a lot of meaningless points. EA's point is that with our D, no points we score are meaningless. How in the heck do you figure that furthers your point? Me thinks he wins, you lose. Are you drunk? You are usually sharper than this Token....I'm very concerned.
Meaningless was a bad term. I corrected it before EA jumped in.
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Okay, true story (Unlike most of the others I tell) We built our house about 3 years ago and the builder told me, "If you want to see this thing take off, just watch when the framing starts. My framers are a crew of Mexicans and you'll be amazed". He was right. I turned the corner one afternoon and suddenly, I had a house. I went from slab to a freakin' house in about 8 hours. Those guys worked like crazy non stop.
There's been a lot of construction around my area over the last few years and apparently there are quite a few Mexican crews that handle the framing for a lot of the builders. These guys are on the job at the butt crack of dawn and only stop when it's too dark to see. I was sitting out on my back porch a few months ago being lazy and throwing back a brew. This one crew was framing a house behind ours and I sat there amazed at these guys and how they were still going full speed at 5:30. Like ants all over the house. I got up and went to the store. Loaded up a throw away cooler with ice and a case of beer. Drove up to the house and set the cooler down in front. Didn't say a word to them.
They stopped work then. Went back to my porch and popped another cool one myself. I was tired.
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Meaningless was a bad term. I corrected it before EA jumped in.
What is funny to me, is that I bet another bammer a handle and I had to give no points. Apparently some of you are smarter than you look. :)
BTW I was never gonna use your actual picture for the avatar. I was probably just goonna use some Auburn logo or something. It would have been something funny, but I wouldn't use your picture, I actually like you.
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Okay, true story (Unlike most of the others I tell) We built our house about 3 years ago and the builder told me, "If you want to see this thing take off, just watch when the framing starts. My framers are a crew of Mexicans and you'll be amazed". He was right. I turned the corner one afternoon and suddenly, I had a house. I went from slab to a freakin' house in about 8 hours. Those guys worked like crazy non stop.
There's been a lot of construction around my area over the last few years and apparently there are quite a few Mexican crews that handle the framing for a lot of the builders. These guys are on the job at the butt crack of dawn and only stop when it's too dark to see. I was sitting out on my back porch a few months ago being lazy and throwing back a brew. This one crew was framing a house behind ours and I sat there amazed at these guys and how they were still going full speed at 5:30. Like ants all over the house. I got up and went to the store. Loaded up a throw away cooler with ice and a case of beer. Drove up to the house and set the cooler down in front. Didn't say a word to them.
They stopped work then. Went back to my porch and popped another cool one myself. I was tired.
Aside from the Japanese, their work ethic is unmatched. If the government were to find a way to remove every illegal alien from this country over a period of 2 months, our economy would crash. Much harder than it did after 9/11.
Fuck deporting the Hispanics. Let's load up the sorry ass American born bums (who spend more time trying to draw a check than they do trying to find a job) and send their asses packing.
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Meaningless was a bad term. I corrected it before EA jumped in.
I never jump in. I stroll in with trumpets, song birds and scantily clad dancing girls proclaiming my most glorious arrival.
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What is funny to me, is that I bet another bammer a handle and I had to give no points. Apparently some of you are smarter than you look. :)
BTW I was never gonna use your actual picture for the avatar. I was probably just goonna use some Auburn logo or something. It would have been something funny, but I wouldn't use your picture, I actually like you.
I'd like to know who took your bet with no points.
I never jump in. I stroll in with trumpets, song birds and scantily clad dancing girls proclaiming my most glorious arrival.
Touche.
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Aside from the Japanese, their work ethic is unmatched. If the government were to find a way to remove every illegal alien from this country over a period of 2 months, our economy would crash. Much harder than it did after 9/11.
Fuck deporting the Hispanics. Let's load up the sorry ass American born bums (who spend more time trying to draw a check than they do trying to find a job) and send their asses packing.
This^^^
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I never jump in. I stroll in with trumpets, song birds and scantily clad dancing girls proclaiming my most glorious arrival.
you forgot to add War Eagle!
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you forgot to add War Eagle!
WAR EAGLE!
now where is my slot machine........gots to win me some money and get off these govbment checks so Snaggle and Token don't run my ass outta my own country.
and again
WAR EAGLE
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I'd like to know who took your bet with no points.
Buddy of mine who lives down this way...he is a huge bammer, very cocky....the bet was for a handle, straight up and I couldn't back out if Cam didn't play. I'm not worried.
What do you think the line will be for this game, I am hearing early that y'all might be favored by 3.
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Buddy of mine who lives down this way...he is a huge bammer, very cocky....the bet was for a handle, straight up and I couldn't back out if Cam didn't play. I'm not worried.
What do you think the line will be for this game, I am hearing early that y'all might be favored by 3.
No way in hell is Bama favored. If they are, that's free money.
I'm guessing around 10-14.
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No way in hell is Bama favored. If they are, that's free money.
I'm guessing around 10-14.
Have you been on medication? No way we are favored by this much if at all.
You wanna bet a handle on who is favored and how much the line is?
<jeez, I may have problem>
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Buddy of mine who lives down this way...he is a huge bammer, very cocky....the bet was for a handle, straight up and I couldn't back out if Cam didn't play. I'm not worried.
What do you think the line will be for this game, I am hearing early that y'all might be favored by 3.
This I don't understand. I've heard the same thing. I know it's on the road but how does the #2 team in the land go in as a dog to a two loss team? The same two teams AU beat.
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Have you been on medication? No way we are favored by this much if at all.
You wanna bet a handle on who is favored and how much the line is?
<jeez, I may have problem>
Witness
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Leave the drywalling jobs to the convicted felons.
since when do bammers want to work?
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since when do bammers want to work?
BOOM!
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Have you been on medication? No way we are favored by this much if at all.
That's what I believe it should be. I mean, Auburn is undefeated, ranked #2, and playing some damn good ball right now.
You wanna bet a handle on who is favored and how much the line is?
<jeez, I may have problem>
Fuck no.
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Okay, true story (Unlike most of the others I tell) We built our house about 3 years ago and the builder told me, "If you want to see this thing take off, just watch when the framing starts. My framers are a crew of Mexicans and you'll be amazed". He was right. I turned the corner one afternoon and suddenly, I had a house. I went from slab to a freakin' house in about 8 hours. Those guys worked like crazy non stop.
There's been a lot of construction around my area over the last few years and apparently there are quite a few Mexican crews that handle the framing for a lot of the builders. These guys are on the job at the butt crack of dawn and only stop when it's too dark to see. I was sitting out on my back porch a few months ago being lazy and throwing back a brew. This one crew was framing a house behind ours and I sat there amazed at these guys and how they were still going full speed at 5:30. Like ants all over the house. I got up and went to the store. Loaded up a throw away cooler with ice and a case of beer. Drove up to the house and set the cooler down in front. Didn't say a word to them.
They stopped work then. Went back to my porch and popped another cool one myself. I was tired.
Great. You Americanized them. Now they will be worthless on the job...
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That's what I believe it should be. I mean, Auburn is undefeated, ranked #2, and playing some damn good ball right now.
Fuck no.
If the line opens anywhere close to that it will be the largest line I have ever seen on the AU/UA during my years of keeping up with it.
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No way in hell is Bama favored. If they are, that's free money.
I'm guessing around 10-14.
No way. IF Auburn is favored, it will only be around 3...
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Great. You Americanized them. Now they will be worthless on the job...
They were Coronas
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since when do bammers want to work?
Here I am giving your breed a compliment, and this is what I get in return?
Fuck that. Your insolence just cost one of your comrades a potty stop on my next trip to Louisiana. That poor bastard will be wearing pee pants when he arrives in Mexico.
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This I don't understand. I've heard the same thing. I know it's on the road but how does the #2 team in the land go in as a dog to a two loss team? The same two teams AU beat.
I don't understand it either, but Chizik should be able to play up the nobody gives us any respect card. I sure as hell hope our guys go into that game with a big ol chip on their shoulder. Fuck bama!
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WE own BDS anyways, I mean you guys have beaten us like once in 100 some odd years. :poke:
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Have you been on medication? No way we are favored by this much if at all.
You wanna bet a handle on who is favored and how much the line is?
<jeez, I may have problem>
I bet you do...btw, Auburn by 2.5
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Aside from the Japanese, their work ethic is unmatched. If the government were to find a way to remove every illegal alien from this country over a period of 2 months, our economy would crash. Much harder than it did after 9/11.
Fuck deporting the Hispanics. Let's load up the sorry ass American born bums (who spend more time trying to draw a check than they do trying to find a job) and send their asses packing.
That's why I never fucked with Mexicans when I was on patrol. They were always headed to work, home from work, or to play soccer on Sunday afternoon. If they drank or fought, they did it at home among themselves for the most part.
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That's why I never fucked with Mexicans when I was on patrol. They were always headed to work, home from work, or to play soccer on Sunday afternoon. If they drank or fought, they did it at home among themselves for the most part.
Unless I gave them a case of beer before they drove home. :vn: