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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: wesfau2 on June 05, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
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Just to fire up this old nugget in a lull:
Gay penguin couple raises a chick.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8081829.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8081829.stm)
Surely this abomination is unnatural and worthy of god's righteous fury.
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I say for gay men and a rare handful of lesbians, it is genetic. Hardwired. Obvious from a VERY early age - and no child would be able to control their natural impulses -they are what they are.
I doubt any man would deliberately CHOOSE that lifestyle. It's different for women - the emotional issues factor more into it for women than for men. Different needs kind of thing.
But I know many women who made a conscious decision to become a lesbian after abusive relationships of one kind or another with men. They made a choice. No hardwire issues there. I will go so far as to admit that in those very dark days right after my divorce, and a couple of emotionally abusive situations and a string of disastrous blind dates, I considered it briefly - not for the sex angle, but to just have a companion that I could relate to on an emotional level. More like a "BFF" than a "girlfriend"... and if the sex thing was the price to pay, well, fine. But it never came to that, because I literally met Carl three weeks later and the rest is history. Good thing too, because I had no IDEA how to start being a lesbian. Wear a sign? Put an ad in the local GLBT newspaper? Start wearing flannel shirts? Move to wherever it is in south Alabama that is full of lesbians and throw a housewarming party? No. Clue.
And see - no matter HOW bad your relationship lives got, no matter how bad your heart got broken and your mind was swirling, I think it would be a safe bet that NONE of you guys would have ever even come close to thinking about it like I did. Having a guy to hang with all the time, and if he liked a little rear door action every now and again, well, that's the price you pay for love... yeah, RIGHT.
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I will go so far as to admit that in those very dark days right after my divorce, and a couple of emotionally abusive situations and a string of disastrous blind dates, I considered it briefly - not for the sex angle, but to just have a companion that I could relate to on an emotional level. More like a "BFF" than a "girlfriend"... and if the sex thing was the price to pay, well, fine. But it never came to that, because I literally met Carl three weeks later and the rest is history. Good thing too, because I had no IDEA how to start being a lesbian. Wear a sign? Put an ad in the local GLBT newspaper? Start wearing flannel shirts? Move to wherever it is in south Alabama that is full of lesbians and throw a housewarming party? No. Clue.
You will always have Mr. Veinzy.
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You will always have Mr. Veinzy.
Ok... what? :blink: If you are referring to my battery operated friend, I go for smooth, multi-speed, in designer colors. Nothing realistic looking - ick.
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I am of the opinion that it is genetic. I have a friend who came out our Senior year of college, and I made it my mission to try and better understand the mindset of a homosexual. I asked him very pointed questions (as Thrilla can attest), and after many discussions, he convinced me that it was genetic.
I also have a good friend who just finished his last year of seminary. We have had this discussion many times as well. Of course he believes it is a choice, because he doesn't see how anyone made in God's likeness (like each of us are supposed to be made) would be have his or her wires crossed and be attracted to someone of the same gender.
My question to him was: So tell me, when did you decide to become straight?
Blank stare.
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I am of the opinion that it is genetic. I have a friend who came out our Senior year of college, and I made it my mission to try and better understand the mindset of a homosexual. I screwed him 3 times in the ass(as Thrilla can attest), he decided that after the second time he was indeed gay. I also asked him very pointed questions , after many discussions and a blowjob, he convinced me that it was genetic.
FTFY
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Surely this abomination is unnatural and worthy of god's righteous fury.
You might need to setup a religious forum for this discussion.
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Of course he believes it is a choice, because he doesn't see how anyone made in God's likeness (like each of us are supposed to be made) would be have his or her wires crossed and be attracted to someone of the same gender.
Does he also believe God has Downs Syndrome, bipolar disorder, schitzophrenia, Tay-Sachs disease or any other genetic abnormality?
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Does he also believe God has Downs Syndrome, bipolar disorder, schitzophrenia, Tay-Sachs disease or any other genetic abnormality?
And now we get to the gist of it.
Are you saying being a fag is an abnormality? That it can be reversed or minimized with drugs or treatment? Because if that's so, you're invalidating 90% of the gay agenda.
You can't choose to be schizo. It happens and you do whatever you can to manage it. You certainly don't hold rallies and demand equal schizo rights. No, you try to cure it. If it IS genetic, shouldn't attempts be made to cure queerness?
No matter what urges you feel, you can opt not to suck a dick. You can simply choose NOT to put a dick in your mouth.
It's pretty simple. We all have abnormal urges. We all also have the free will to choose to follow those urges or reject them. I would like to kill people. Seriously. I'd like to put a big 50 cal machine gun on the back of a truck and ride through the mall blasting people left and right. Some I'd prefer to do a little more personal job on and shoot them directly in the face.
But I don't kill people. I take that urge and bury it when it comes up -- like it did last week in Bel Air Mall in Mobile when I saw that 50-cent wannabe fucker with his tank-tshirt tucked into his silky tight boxers and his jeans so fucking low that his damn dick was flopping around in front. If I'd been carrying a weapon I'd have unloaded into his doo-rag and then emptied the clip on his crotch. Well, except for the one shot I'd save to cap the stupid whore bitch who was with him.
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Are you saying being a fag is an abnormality? That it can be reversed or minimized with drugs or treatment? Because if that's so, you're invalidating 90% of the gay agenda.
No - I am saying that there are genetic differences that cannot be controlled by drugs or treatment. (OK, maybe being a skitzo was a bad choice of examples) There is no cure for Downs and no treatment. My point is that people are born different every day. If we are using the hetero model as a basis for comparison - and we pretty much have to, since a hetero majority is the only thing that has kept our species from dying out - then people born with a genetic disposition to be attracted to the same sex are genetically different from the majority. Again, why would a man choose to suck a dick if he were not hardwired that way? (and I continue to leave women out of this for the reasons I stated earlier)
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Genetic.
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No - I am saying that there are genetic differences that cannot be controlled by drugs or treatment. (OK, maybe being a skitzo was a bad choice of examples) There is no cure for Downs and no treatment. My point is that people are born different every day. If we are using the hetero model as a basis for comparison - and we pretty much have to, since a hetero majority is the only thing that has kept our species from dying out - then people born with a genetic disposition to be attracted to the same sex are genetically different from the majority. Again, why would a man choose to suck a dick if he were not hardwired that way? (and I continue to leave women out of this for the reasons I stated earlier)
Do we accept Down's Syndrome and demand that Down's sufferers be granted special treatment? Do they hold Down's Rights parades? Do we declare that it's cool to have Down's? Do we just accept it as normal?
NO! People spend kamillions of research dollars trying to find the cause so the condition can be eliminated.
If being a fag is a genetic predisposition, then shouldn't we be spending the same to find a cure instead of making TV shows about how super cool fags really are?
Again I state with conviction: We are ALL born with abnormal urges. The things I think about and don't act on are abslutely heinous. But we are supposed to control those urges, not give in to them. Fags may be born with an inclination to want dicks stuck up their asses, but like anybody else, they're supposed to control that abnormal urge.
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Do we accept Down's Syndrome and demand that Down's sufferers be granted special treatment? Do they hold Down's Rights parades? Do we declare that it's cool to have Down's? Do we just accept it as normal?
NO! People spend kamillions of research dollars trying to find the cause so the condition can be eliminated.
If being a fag is a genetic predisposition, then shouldn't we be spending the same to find a cure instead of making TV shows about how super cool fags really are?
Again I state with conviction: We are ALL born with abnormal urges. The things I think about and don't act on are abslutely heinous. But we are supposed to control those urges, not give in to them. Fags may be born with an inclination to want dicks stuck up their asses, but like anybody else, they're supposed to control that abnormal urge.
Agreed on all accounts.
It's simply illogical to be a homosexual. Our bodies aren't genetically structured to allow sexual preference. Sex, no matter what emotions humans have decided to involve over their evolutionary process, is the method for reproduction. You cannot physically or naturally reproduce as a homosexual.
So in conclusion, if the answer is in our genes, then a cure should be found. If the answer is in our choices, then gay people are morons.
I guess that makes me a bigot when it comes to homosexuality.
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#1Bammer knows that he is not queer. He sucked a dick one time and didn't like it.
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I still disagree. We do have to make special accommodations for people with Downs - in schools and through the Americans With Disabilities Act, for example. People with Downs used to be institutionalized or hidden away - now depending on the degree of their disability, there is little to stop them from being productive members of society.
They already know what causes Downs - an abnormality in a specific gene - and any research that is going on is being done to determine how to correct the specific genetic problem prior to conception. There is one specific gene responsible for Downs. I would imagine that being gay involves a whole host of genetic markers, and a "cure" or treatment is really not an option.
I would also submit that the urges you admit to repressing are controlled by law, because they are criminal actions. You have no choice but to either supress them or go to jail. Being gay is not a criminal action, nor should it be. No one gets hurt if there are relations between two consenting adults - gay or straight. If there is a part of a gay man's brain that sees another man as attractive, then so be it.
If you accept the argument that hetero is the norm because it is required to ensure the survival of the species, then why is it a stretch to say that being gay is simply a deviation from the norm that is the result of a difference in genetics or brain chemistry or whatever... ?? I just don't see how it could be a choice.
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I still disagree. We do have to make special accommodations for people with Downs - in schools and through the Americans With Disabilities Act, for example. People with Downs used to be institutionalized or hidden away - now depending on the degree of their disability, there is little to stop them from being productive members of society.
They already know what causes Downs - an abnormality in a specific gene - and any research that is going on is being done to determine how to correct the specific genetic problem prior to conception. There is one specific gene responsible for Downs. I would imagine that being gay involves a whole host of genetic markers, and a "cure" or treatment is really not an option.
I would also submit that the urges you admit to repressing are controlled by law, because they are criminal actions. You have no choice but to either supress them or go to jail. Being gay is not a criminal action, nor should it be. No one gets hurt if there are relations between two consenting adults - gay or straight. If there is a part of a gay man's brain that sees another man as attractive, then so be it.
If you accept the argument that hetero is the norm because it is required to ensure the survival of the species, then why is it a stretch to say that being gay is simply a deviation from the norm that is the result of a difference in genetics or brain chemistry or whatever... ?? I just don't see how it could be a choice.
This is basically the gist of it.
Do you like sucking on a pair of tits? What about blowjobs from women? It's certainly not how God intended us to procreate. But I'll be damned if it doesn't feel good. Sex doesn't have to be logical. I'll bet half of you fuckers have weird assed fetishes you'd never own up to to anyone. It's not my place to give a shit about what makes you get your rocks off, as long as you're not breaking any laws and your partners are consenting adults.
I believe that it is genetic, and I believe it probably could be researched enough to be corrected, if someone wanted to have this done. But homosexuals don't see themselves as victims, so who would benefit from this type or procedure? You, so you don't have to be burdened by the fact that there are people out there that are into different kinky shit than you are?
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This is basically the gist of it.
Do you like sucking on a pair of tits? What about blowjobs from women? It's certainly not how God intended us to procreate. But I'll be damned if it doesn't feel good. Sex doesn't have to be logical. I'll bet half of you fuckers have weird assed fetishes you'd never own up to to anyone. It's not my place to give a shit about what makes you get your rocks off, as long as you're not breaking any laws and your partners are consenting adults.
I believe that it is genetic, and I believe it probably could be researched enough to be corrected, if someone wanted to have this done. But homosexuals don't see themselves as victims, so who would benefit from this type or procedure? You, so you don't have to be burdened by the fact that there are people out there that are into different kinky shit than you are?
Well said, Chadley.
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This is basically the gist of it.
Do you like sucking on a pair of tits? What about blowjobs from women? It's certainly not how God intended us to procreate. But I'll be damned if it doesn't feel good. Sex doesn't have to be logical. I'll bet half of you fuckers have weird assed fetishes you'd never own up to to anyone. It's not my place to give a shit about what makes you get your rocks off, as long as you're not breaking any laws and your partners are consenting adults.
I believe that it is genetic, and I believe it probably could be researched enough to be corrected, if someone wanted to have this done. But homosexuals don't see themselves as victims, so who would benefit from this type or procedure? You, so you don't have to be burdened by the fact that there are people out there that are into different kinky shit than you are?
Bravo, sir.
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there are people out there that are into different kinky shit than you are?
There are?
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There are?
No, he was just trying to make you feel better.
I have no answers myself and personally, have no problem with someone being gay, whether it was by choice or they were genetically predisposed to being that way. All kidding aside, I've had a couple of close friends who turned out to be gay. Unlike Brad, I never questioned them about it but I found out about one after I'd been off to college. I get back and find out, Jack's gay!!! Noooo....we used to run the babes in high school. He was the starting guard on the basketball team. Jack???? Noooo!!!
The next time I saw Jack was actually while playing basketball one afternoon. I hadn't talked to the guy in several years and I was scared to death the guy was gonna' come floating over to me and start talking like Michael Waltrip. He didn't. I talked to him for about an hour afterwards and he was pretty much the same old Jack I remember. I guess he just liked the cock more.
I have no idea if this guy chose it or had had suppressed these feelings all his life. I really didn't give a shit. He wasn't coming on to me and I still considered him my friend.
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Jack was mentally undressing you...
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Jack was mentally undressing you...
Hello??? Are you new around here? Have you read the posts on this Board? Steve has been drinking with these pervs on here - he should be used to that by now...
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No biggee. I mentally undress myself every now and then.
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It is a sin and an abomination in the eyes of God, just as many other things are.
What they do in their own bedroom is their business. Just don't try and force it on me and my family as "normal", for it is not.
There have been no reputable studies or tests completed that indicate it is genetic and not a choice. There was a study done a while back that many try and cite, but it was debunked. And you better believe that if it could be proven to be genetic, then that proof would be marched out for all of us noncomformists to be shamed with. Especially in today's wonderfully inclusive society.
Once the love never mentioned, now the love that won't shut up.
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It is a sin and an abomination in the eyes of God, just as many other things are.
What they do in their own bedroom is their business. Just don't try and force it on me and my family as "normal", for it is not.
There have been no reputable studies or tests completed that indicate it is genetic and not a choice. There was a study done a while back that many try and cite, but it was debunked. And you better believe that if it could be proven to be genetic, then that proof would be marched out for all of us noncomformists to be shamed with. Especially in today's wonderfully inclusive society.
Once the love never mentioned, now the love that won't shut up.
I refused to weigh in on this subject mainly because it's not a terribly interesting political issue to me (and a personal religious bias) but that line is truly worthy of applause IMO! :clap:
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I refused to weigh in on this subject mainly because it's not a terribly interesting political issue to me (and a personal religious bias) but that line is truly worthy of applause IMO! :clap:
I think Falwell came up with something similar to that. many folks in the US would be just fine with letting folks do what they want in the privacy of their own abode. We just don't want the issue forced on us and our children.
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Gayness is genetic, plain and simple. I have a test that will prove it conclusively. If you are male, please watch the following commercial. If you do not pop chub at some point in this 32 second video...
1. You are gay.
2. You didn't know you are gay and therefore, it is genetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwxmy1TWNM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwxmy1TWNM)
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I think it is genetic. I don't think it is "normal" and I think that there are way too many people that are "gay" that are "gay" for the attention that it brings to them and because being "gay" is a way to speak out toward whatever bullshit they want to throw in peoples faces. Because of those types of people, it is hard to take the real gays seriously. I don't have a problem with someone being gay. Why would someone "choose" that life style...other than to get attention like I mentioned before. The gay people I know though are well spoken, don't throw it in your face type of people. They are who they are like I am who I am. They don't want special attention because they are gay, they just want to live their life.
Also, anyone that has been around children before would have to say that it is genetic. I have a little boy, and he is ALL boy. So are 99% of the little boys that he plays with. However, there is one boy, 6 years old, that is different. He is not bad. He is not wierd. He doesn't go around and try and grab my son's ass. He is just different. I would almost bet my next paycheck that that kid turns out to be gay. Maybe the kid just acts like he does because he has 2 sisters. I have no idea, only time will tell. But that kid would rather play dress up, and sing and dance than play war with the other kids. He doesn't know any difference. He is just doing what he likes to do. He is a kid and all kids do that...
And here is the kicker. He has an uncle that is gay. The kids don't know that he is gay, because he lives a private life and doesn't flaunt it, but he is gay. The boy's mother doesn't agree with her brothers lifestyle AT ALL...but doesn't condemn him for it either. It makes her sick to her stomach, but she doesn't tell him that. Any time the mother sees the boy trying to hang out with the girls, she makes him go pllay with the boys. Because her brother was gay, she never let her son even watch Cinderella or Snow White, or ANYTHING that could keep the boy from being ALL BOY. So it's not like she is a liberal parent that says..."Kids will be kids" and let's him do whatever he wants.
So is this just a choice that a 6 year old has? I have seen him do things that when I catch him, he has a look of embarrasment or shame on his face. Like just dressing up. I am not saying he dresses in womens clothing, but the dude just dresses up in anything he can. And he does it when he is alone. And I have walkked in on him being dressed up and singing and shit alone, and he has a guilty look. Is that because he knows what he is doing is wrong and chooses to do it anyway? Or is it because he is doing what he likes to do even though his mother tries to get him to do "normal boy" things?
And if you were around this kid for just a day or two, you would have no idea that I was talking about this kid. So don't think that he is some wierdo that is going to turn into the next Ru Paul. He isn't. He is just a good, well mannered kid, that I think is genetically gay...
Another thing, you ask me this 2 or 3 years ago and I have a stance like Tarheel and CCTAU. I am not a liberal hippy that thinks like this....
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Gayness is genetic, plain and simple. I have a test that will prove it conclusively. If you are male, please watch the following commercial. If you do not pop chub at some point in this 32 second video...
1. You are gay.
2. You didn't know you are gay and therefore, it is genetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwxmy1TWNM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzwxmy1TWNM)
Not only has that commercial caused a rise in my Levi's, it has also made my cholesterol level shoot up over 100 points. Everytime it shows, I run to Hardees. It's got ahold of me.
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Another thing, you ask me this 2 or 3 years ago and I have a stance like Tarheel and CCTAU. I am not a liberal hippy that thinks like this....
As a little boy, I did whatever. I played dolls with my sister and my cousins. I would dress up too. But I also tore shit up like boys normally do. By the time I was in JR. High, I could cook, sew, etc. But I could also break down a lawnmower engine. I just had a thirst for knowledge and experience. I never had the desire to hold a dick in my mouth, but I did not see anything wrong with learning the things that all people had a chance to learn, male or female. So this kid may be a little on the softer side? Kids tend toward things that they find interesting. He may grow up to be gay, but more than likely, he'll grow up to be creative. All humans with a creative mind seem out of place at younger ages. But creative does not mean gay.
But I do see your point. I just try to keep from judging a younger child their actions until they get old enough to make that CHOICE.
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As a little boy, I did whatever. I played dolls with my sister and my cousins. I would dress up too. But I also tore shit up like boys normally do. By the time I was in JR. High, I could cook, sew, etc. But I could also break down a lawnmower engine. I just had a thirst for knowledge and experience. I never had the desire to hold a dick in my mouth, but I did not see anything wrong with learning the things that all people had a chance to learn, male or female. So this kid may be a little on the softer side? Kids tend toward things that they find interesting. He may grow up to be gay, but more than likely, he'll grow up to be creative. All humans with a creative mind seem out of place at younger ages. But creative does not mean gay.
But I do see your point. I just try to keep from judging a younger child their actions until they get old enough to make that CHOICE.
So you played dress up with your cousins, could cook and sew, didn't want a dick in YOUR mouth, but were willing to explore all the other things?
Why didn't you just come out and say you were a gay bama fan?
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So you played dress up with your cousins, could cook and sew, didn't want a dick in YOUR mouth, but were willing to explore all the other things?
Why didn't you just come out and say you were a gay bama fan?
Hehehehe.
Barbie was stacked. I couldn't keep GI JOE off her. And my cousins were actually very pretty girls. Turned out to be very pretty ladies. And even though it was bama, I still didn't date either of them.
By the time I got to AU, I was very self sufficient. Saved a lot of money by being that way. It is always best to teach your son to do any and all things associated with surviving.
So in the end, (pun intended) we cannot determine whether or not someone will be gay by their actions as a young boy. But they say if he starts torturing and killing the local pets, you may want to beware.
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From Time magazine... kind of timely (haha)
Why Some People Are Gay: Notes (and Clues) from the Animal Kingdom
By John Cloud
Friday, Jun. 19, 2009
We have known for at least a decade that hundreds of animal species — including birds, reptiles, mollusks and, of course, humans — engage in same-gender sexual acts. But no one is quite sure why. After all, same-sex couplings don't usually result in offspring. (I say usually because when male marine snails pair with other males, one partner conveniently changes sex, allowing for reproduction.) Evolutionarily speaking, homosexuality should have disappeared long ago.
A yearlong study just completed at the University of California at Riverside offers several fascinating competing theories about why same-gender sexual behavior has endured. And although it's gay-pride month — and the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall riots that sparked the gay-rights movement — not all the theories will give same-gender-loving humans a reason to celebrate.
One particularly charged finding is that in most species besides humans, same-gender pairings rarely lead to lifelong relationships. In other words, when one attractive bonobo male eyes another in a lovely patch of Congo swamp forest, they occasionally kiss and then move on to other oral pleasures, but they don't bother anyone afterward about trying to legalize their right to an open-banana-bar ceremony. In fact, they are likely to move on to girl bonobos: most animals that engage in same-gender sex acts do so only when an opposite-sex partner is unavailable.
And yet the study's authors, Nathan Bailey and Marlene Zuk of UC Riverside's biology department, report some exceptions, like the laysan albatross. Last year, researchers studying a Hawaiian colony of albatrosses found that nearly a third of all the couples involved two females who courted and then shared parenting responsibilities. (Albatrosses don't have U-Hauls, so no lesbian jokes, please.) Male chinstrap penguins also form long-term relationships, at least in captivity. And some male bighorn sheep will mount females only after the females adopt male-like behaviors.
What explains all these variances? Here are some hypotheses I collected from Bailey and Zuk's paper as well as from some of their original sources:
1. The boys-in-the-locker-room theory. Any guy who played sports in high school knows that homoerotic jokes and towel-snapping are an underlying part of the subculture. Similarly, male bottlenose dolphins use same-sex sexual behavior to maintain and strengthen their social relationships — although dolphins are far more explicit about their homosexual play, regularly mounting one another and (hide the kids' ears here) sticking their noses into certain boy-dolphin parts. (Very regularly: roughly half of male dolphin sex occurs with other males.) Among bonobos, same-sex sexual behavior is also thought to ease social tension and facilitate reconciliation. And among garter snakes, male-on-male contact may allow some solitary males to thermoregulate and, therefore, survive.
2. The emasculation theory. Some male animals might mount other males as a way of denying them access to the ladies. For instance, as the Journal of Natural History noted in 2006, male dung flies often must compete violently to impregnate females. In those situations, "the most sensible strategy for beating a competitor in the race to an arriving female would be to mount him and remain in situ for as long as possible." Then, when the lady dung fly finally sails by, the aggressor male can pull himself out from the dominated male and — because he is on top — get above to the female faster.
3. The "oops" theory. Among insects, same-sex sexual behavior is usually a case of mistaken identity. Male fruit flies, for instance, may romance other males because they lack a gene that enables them to distinguish between sexes. Even more surprising, male toads can't tell the difference between girl toads and boy toads, so males will routinely embrace other males, although the subordinate ones are equipped with a call that quickly results in the dominant male releasing. In other species, the "straight" males get tricked by other wily straight males who dress in animal drag: male goodeid fish, for instance, sometimes have a black spot that resembles a spot that females get when pregnant. Dominant males then court them rather than fight with them. While the dominant guys are busy courting the subordinate, ladylike fish, the latter are able to "sneak copulations with females," as Bailey and Zuk write. I'm going to dub this the Hugh Grant Theory: it's not always the most masculine guy who gets the most girls.
4. The let's-see-how-this-thing-works theory. Younger animals (particularly males, and including humans) sometimes engage in same-sex sexual behavior as practice, which may improve their reproductive success when they are ready for a heterosexual relationship later. Fruit flies who experiment with other members of the same sex as youngsters may have more baby fruit flies later on than those who don't experiment.
5. The two-plus-one theory. Among flour beetles, males routinely force themselves on other males. According to Bailey and Zuk, there's some evidence that sperm deposited during this male beetle rape is sometimes transferred to a female later on, increasing the chances that she will have offspring.
What all these theories have in common is that same-sex sexual activity is either an accident or a quirky genetic method of helping males impregnate females. Which raises the evolutionary question of why men and women who are exclusive gay and lesbian exist. One answer is that exclusive gays and lesbians are a relatively new creation: the concept of exclusive homosexuality barely existed before modernity; even a century ago, most same-sex-attracted men and women got married and had kids.
As Bailey, Zuk and many others have pointed out, no one has offered an adequate evolutionary explanation for the relatively recent development of exclusive homosexuality among humans. In January, the journal Evolution and Human Behavior published a paper exploring the idea that certain alleles increase the likelihood of homosexuality by blocking the effect of androgens during fetal development. Having all those alleles hampers the masculinization of some parts of the brain that affect personality, making you gay, the theory goes. Brothers of gay men who have only some of the alleles would turn out straight but less aggressive than typical guys. And because those brothers exhibit less psychopathology, they would attract more women and therefore have more kids. It was a provocative theory, but it turned out not to be proved: gay men's brothers don't actually have more kids than straight men's brothers do.
So we're stuck at square one. As the 40th anniversary of Stonewall approaches, the question that Alan Miller and Satoshi Kanazawa ask in their 2007 book about evolutionary psychology, Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters, has never been more relevant: Will "the liberation of homosexuals, which allows them to come out of the closet and not pretend to be straight" actually turn out to "contribute to the end of homosexuality?" We may not know for a thousand years, but it's a great question.