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Title: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 28, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Don't poke the bear, you won't get eaten!

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/09/28/donald-trump-temperament-childish-opponents-erin-burnett.cnn
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 28, 2016, 11:40:56 AM
Where is the one that explains him and his con job to his idiot fanboys?
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 28, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Where is the one that explains him and his con job to his idiot fanboys?

What do you perceive he is claiming to be and is not?


So far, he has not promised right wing stuff.

If he accomplishes just a few things on his list, he is by far better than any other GOP candidate in the last 10 years.

I have no delusion that he is a right wing savior. But I so think he can get things done that need doing. 

Build a wall.
Stop influx of immigrants from muslim countries until a better screening process is approved.
keep military strong.
Lower corporate taxes.
More fairly balance trade.
Do something about obummercare.
Many more. But just a few of these would be success.

I think the more you hear Trump, the more informed he is on foreign policy. He is getting it more right each day.

http://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/news/politics/2016/03/28/trump-america-first-nato-conservative-neocons/

He is not the devil you speak of.

She is on the other side.

I would love to have a strong constitutional conservative like Cruz involved. But he just does not have the charisma to get it done.

There is no right choice, but recognizing the positives of Trump helps make this all more palatable.

Will he be great? Hmmm.
Will he flop? Hmmm

But the alternative is more socialism. I cannot palate that.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 28, 2016, 12:41:29 PM
What do you perceive he is claiming to be and is not?


So far, he has not promised right wing stuff.

If he accomplishes just a few things on his list, he is by far better than any other GOP candidate in the last 10 years.

I have no delusion that he is a right wing savior. But I so think he can get things done that need doing. 

Build a wall.
Stop influx of immigrants from muslim countries until a better screening process is approved.
keep military strong.
Lower corporate taxes.
More fairly balance trade.
Do something about obummercare.
Many more. But just a few of these would be success.

I think the more you hear Trump, the more informed he is on foreign policy. He is getting it more right each day.

http://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/news/politics/2016/03/28/trump-america-first-nato-conservative-neocons/

He is not the devil you speak of.

She is on the other side.

I would love to have a strong constitutional conservative like Cruz involved. But he just does not have the charisma to get it done.

There is no right choice, but recognizing the positives of Trump helps make this all more palatable.

Will he be great? Hmmm.
Will he flop? Hmmm

But the alternative is more socialism. I cannot palate that.

Agree so much it hurts.

Would I have picked trump from a list?  No.  But when my other options are Cruz and Rubio and Jeb and Huck and Kasich (who might have been ok but got lost) and Carson .... And the opposite side has the antichrist and an ex hippie who lived off the teat all his life?  I have to consider it. 

The things that matter to me ... Boosting small business, abandoning the culture of apologizing for our power that Obama has adopted, the reversal of the "good Muslim"'policies supported by the caliph, ending anti-American trade policies that Hillbillary pushed for?  He's there. 

I wish he were more anti IRS and Obamacare but that will come. 

He's not the devil. She is.  That whole party is the personification of evil. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 28, 2016, 04:45:58 PM
If I wanted to vote for a liberal democrat I'd vote for Hillary.  Thanks though. 


Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 10:10:03 AM
If I wanted to vote for a liberal democrat I'd vote for Hillary.  Thanks though.

Not quite the same:

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12800355_201619193542178_4175630856344219941_n.jpg?oh=49ea1826addd0e572d54ce63e6d4357f&oe=57902708)
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
Not quite the same:

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12800355_201619193542178_4175630856344219941_n.jpg?oh=49ea1826addd0e572d54ce63e6d4357f&oe=57902708)
Oh it's on a little meme thing so it must be true, even though I've provided specific links to his exact quotes that completely contradict just about everything on there by factual examples of him professing his positions on those things...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 10:50:36 AM
These things are on his website.

I guess only every other candidate can be help to his stated platform. But we KNOW from you that Trump is lying.

I can only go by his platform now. I have no previous actions in a governing capacity to judge him. But apparently you do. And yet, you are still, just you...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: RottenBottom on March 29, 2016, 10:55:39 AM
Oh it's on a little meme thing so it must be true, even though I've provided specific links to his exact quotes that completely contradict just about everything on there by factual examples of him professing his positions on those things...
You shut your mouth! Trump changed his mind. Didn't you hear?
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 29, 2016, 10:55:52 AM
Not quite the same:

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12800355_201619193542178_4175630856344219941_n.jpg?oh=49ea1826addd0e572d54ce63e6d4357f&oe=57902708)

Donald Trump Lied About His Support of the Second Amendment (http://bearingarms.com/donald-trump-lied-support-second-amendment/)

Two Dozen Veterans Charities Waiting on Funds Raised by Trump (http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/02/26/some-trump-charities-waiting-on-funds.html)

Trump:  "I'm changing" on H-1B Visas (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3)

You're being conned.  But he speaks the best words!
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 11:18:02 AM
Donald Trump Lied About His Support of the Second Amendment (http://bearingarms.com/donald-trump-lied-support-second-amendment/)

Two Dozen Veterans Charities Waiting on Funds Raised by Trump (http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/02/26/some-trump-charities-waiting-on-funds.html)

Trump:  "I'm changing" on H-1B Visas (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3)

You're being conned.  But he speaks the best words!

he gave money to ant-gun democrats and that makes him a liar on the second amendment? REACHING

From your article:
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“We haven’t received any money yet, but [we] do expect to get it. It’s not unusual when someone or an organization has an event, for it to take weeks or even months before we receive a check, “ said Kerri Childress, vice president of Fisher House, one of the 22 veterans charities on the Trump list that hasn’t received money as of publication of this story.
Once again REACHING!


He's right about the brain power. He just has to be careful that he does not get called an anti immigration racist bigot by not wanting the unskilled  labor to enter the country on these visas. Then again this is neither here nor there on any subject in the meme!

Any more bogeymen you want to exercise?


Some of you are so hellbent on hating the man for every little thing that you are missing the big picture. That big picture was on the RIGHT side of that meme. If you think the positions of the evil one on the right side of that meme are acceptable, then vote for her.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 11:21:15 AM
You're being conned.  But he speaks the best words!
Does he though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXUhcVWOyuI

Washington Post released the full transcript of him blundering through attempting to discuss policy for an hour without really answering a single question at all, lest people think he's being taken out of context.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-shocking-ignorance-laid-bare/2016/03/24/b66d2b6c-f1f7-11e5-89c3-a647fcce95e0_story.html

Of course, if you his "poorly educated" base (his words) hear him saying words that sound smart-like and don't have the cognitive capacity to understand that he's just blabbering a bunch of non-sequitur idiocy, so this does nothing to quell his support.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 11:26:48 AM
he gave money to ant-gun democrats and that makes him a liar on the second amendment? REACHING

From your article:Once again REACHING!

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/
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The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 12:05:44 PM
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/ (https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/)

SIXTEEN YEARS AGO...SMDH
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 29, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
Some of you are so hellbent on hating the man for every little thing that you are missing the big picture. That big picture was on the RIGHT side of that meme. If you think the positions of the evil one on the right side of that meme are acceptable, then vote for her.

I know you're blinded by the orange spray tan and the machismo but what YOU are failing to realize is that Trump is the only candidate that will unequivocally lose to the Hildabeast.  Cruz or Kasich would beat Hillary in a head-to-head general election.  Trump will not.  I won't waste my time pulling the massive amount of polling data that supports my position because it won't matter to you anyway.

I'll be over here saying "I told you so" in November when Hillary is announced president-elect. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 02:55:43 PM
CCTAU and Kaos can vote with Susan Sarandon and call everyone else libruhl beta males for not aligning with her. Those of us with principles will not.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/susan-sarandon-trump-might-be-better-for-america-than-hillary-clinton.html
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Susan Sarandon: Trump Might Be Better for America Than Hillary Clinton

If Bernie Sanders fails to get the Democratic nomination, Susan Sarandon isn’t sure she’ll vote for Hillary Clinton. She even said Monday that Trump could be the better option.

One of the biggest question marks for Democrats heading into a 2016 general election that should be a cakewalk with a candidate like Donald Trump on the other side is what happens to Bernie Sanders’ supporters if he loses the nomination to Hillary Clinton.

Some will inevitably fall in line and find a way to get excited about the likelihood of America’s first woman president. But many others may end up feeling just as alienated from the political process as they did before Sanders entered the race and just decide to stay home.

For instance, there’s Susan Sarandon.

The actress and activist has been a powerful surrogate for Sanders on the campaign trail over the past few months, and during an interview with MSNBC’s All In With Chris Hayes Monday night, she said she doesn’t know if she can bring herself to vote for Clinton if it comes down to it.

“I think, in certain quarters, there’s growing concern that the folks that are into Bernie Sanders have come to despise Hillary Clinton or reject Hillary Clinton and that should she be the nominee, which is as yet undetermined, they will walk away,” Hayes said.

“That’s a legitimate concern,” Sarandon replied. “Because they’re very passionate and principled.”

“But isn’t that crazy?” the host asked. “If you believe in what he believes in?”

“Yeah but she doesn’t,” Sarandon shot back. “She accepted money for all of those people. She doesn’t even want to fight for a $15 minimum wage. So these are people that have not come out before. So why would we think they’re going to come out now for her, you know?”

As they continued to discuss the issue, Hayes pressed Sarandon to see the election as potentially a choice between Clinton and Trump, arguing that Sanders himself would “probably” urge his supporters to vote for her.

“I think Bernie would probably encourage people, because he doesn’t have any ego in this thing,” Sarandon told him. “But I think a lot of people are, ‘Sorry, I just can’t bring myself to [vote for Clinton].’”
“How about you personally?” Hayes asked.

“I don’t know. I’m going to see what happens,” Sarandon said.

That bit of honesty prompted Hayes to stop in his tracks. “Really?” he asked incredulously.

“Really,” Sarandon said, adding that “some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in, things will really explode.” Asked if she thinks that’s “dangerous,” she replied, “It’s dangerous to think that we can continue the way we are with the militarized police force, with privatized prisons, with the death penalty, with the low minimum wage, threats to women’s rights and think you can’t do something huge to turn that around.”

One thing Hayes neglected to confront Sarandon over was her support in 2000 of third-party candidate Ralph Nader instead of then-Vice President Al Gore. The actress served as a co-chairwoman of his National Steering Committee the year that George W. Bush narrowly beat Gore, thanks to Nader’s status as spoiler for the Democrats.

However, by 2004 she appeared to have learned her lesson. Along with former Nader supporters like Michael Moore, she urged the candidate to get out of the race out of fear that he would help deliver Bush a second term. This time, Bush didn’t need Nader’s help. But if Clinton ends up losing to Trump in a general election, all eyes will be on Sanders supporters who decided to stay home.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 04:26:31 PM
I know you're blinded by the orange spray tan and the machismo but what YOU are failing to realize is that Trump is the only candidate that will unequivocally lose to the Hildabeast.  Cruz or Kasich would beat Hillary in a head-to-head general election.  Trump will not.  I won't waste my time pulling the massive amount of polling data that supports my position because it won't matter to you anyway.

I'll be over here saying "I told you so" in November when Hillary is announced president-elect.

Reagan was losing to Carter by 28 points at this time in eh cycle.

Bottom line is, Cruz or Kasich cannot win the nomination. If they could, they would have already.

You are either for or against hitlary.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 04:28:13 PM
CCTAU and Kaos can vote with Susan Sarandon and call everyone else libruhl beta males for not aligning with her. Those of us with principles will not.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/susan-sarandon-trump-might-be-better-for-america-than-hillary-clinton.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/29/susan-sarandon-trump-might-be-better-for-america-than-hillary-clinton.html)

I admit that is an odd thing. And You have no better principles than i or Kaos. Hell, you don't have enough experience at success to have principles...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: War Eagle!!! on March 29, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
CCTAU...you are just perpetrating the stereotype here dude...

It's almost like you are saying some of this shit on purpose...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
I admit that is an odd thing. And You have no better principles than i or Kaos. Hell, you don't have enough experience at success to have principles...
One of us had enough experience with success to leave Prattville, AL.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 29, 2016, 05:29:05 PM
Notorious left-wing media therightscoop:

http://therightscoop.com/not-kidding-donald-trump-just-attacked-scott-walker-for-not-raising-taxes-in-wisconsin/

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NOT KIDDING: Donald Trump just attacked Scott Walker for NOT RAISING TAXES in Wisconsin!

Posted on March 29, 2016 by The Right Scoop

On a radio station in Wisconsin this morning, just after Walker endorsed Cruz, Donald Trump attacked Scott Walker for NOT raising taxes in Wisconsin. Yes I said for ‘not’ raising taxes.

Not only that, but he repeats the 2 billion dollar deficit lie he was called out on just yesterday for using against Scott Walker last year:

…In a radio interview with talkshow host Michael Koolidge on Tuesday, Trump bashed Walker’s administration.

“There’s a $2.2bn deficit and the schools were going begging and everything was going begging because he didn’t want to raise taxes ’cause he was going to run for president,” said Trump. “So instead of raising taxes, he cut back on schools, he cut back on highways, he cut back on a lot of things.”

Trump also added of the Badger State in general: “Wisconsin has a lot of problems, plus there is tremendous hatred … I wouldn’t exactly say that things are running smoothly.”

And Trump expects people to believe he’s really a conservative? Unbelievable.
 
Here’s the interview from yesterday where Charlie Sykes called out Trump on the 2 billion dollar deficit lie. It starts at 6:10. Trump claimed that he got it from Time magazine but refused to be held accountable for it even though he attacked Walker with it last year (and even today!):

Just to point out again, even Politifact rated this MOSTLY FALSE:

Mixing apples and oranges, Trump said that under Walker, Wisconsin “projected a $1 billion (budget) surplus and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion.”

There was in early 2014 a projection of a $1 billion surplus heading into the 2015-’17 budget period. Late in 2014, there was a projection of a $2.2 billion shortfall — the difference between expected revenues and the amount of money being requested by state agencies. But the shortfall was never a deficit — and some of the surplus was consciously spent by Republicans, as tax cuts.

For a statement that contains only an element of truth and ignores critical facts that would give a different impression, our rating is Mostly False.

Trump is once again using Democrat lies to attack Walker and Cruz.

But hey, he just happens to be a different kind of conservative, one who loves raising taxes and using Democrat lies and tactics to attack his opponents.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: bottomfeeder on March 29, 2016, 05:40:34 PM
Okay, Trump's got a cool income tax plan. What about other taxes? Is going raise the gasoline tax like Bentley did? There are other taxes he can have raised such as SS limits, import taxes, cell phone, etc.

He was quoted today chewing the WI governor's ads doe not raising taxes for schools and roads. Go figure???

I'm getting weary of Trump now. No substance and a liberal stance on state taxes? Gary Johnson should be allowed to participate in the general election debates.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 29, 2016, 11:54:20 PM
CCTAU...you are just perpetrating the stereotype here dude...

It's almost like you are saying some of this shit on purpose...

What is the stereotype? The one the media gives you? Or the one where many Americans from all walks of life are pissed off and want something different?

It's funny how many people like jizzy here state that only the uneducatedsupport Trump. Yet I talk to propel every day who make well I've 100k a year who support him.

Damn dumbass rednecks we are I guess.

The GOP destroyed themselves. You can only lie to the people so much, and then they catch on.

Whether Trump is right for the job or not, he is definitely hitting it at just the right time.

And the stereotype out there is a group of Americans ready for a change in direction!

Get on board or get with hitlary!

Cruz and Kasich are done!
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 12:21:00 AM
What is the stereotype? The one the media gives you? Or the one where many Americans from all walks of life are pissed off and want something different?

It's funny how many people like jizzy here state that only the uneducatedsupport Trump. Yet I talk to propel every day who make well I've 100k a year who support him.

Damn dumbass rednecks we are I guess.

The GOP destroyed themselves. You can only lie to the people so much, and then they catch on.

Whether Trump is right for the job or not, he is definitely hitting it at just the right time.

And the stereotype out there is a group of Americans ready for a change in direction!

Get on board or get with hitlary!

Cruz and Kasich are done!

You didn't mention Chizad's Johnson.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:26:04 AM
You didn't mention Chizad's Johnson.

I thought we already established he doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 09:10:24 AM
You can dislike Hillary and also dislike Trump.  It's possible. 

This sums up my thoughts perfectly:

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No, Donald Trump Isn't Actually Better Than Hillary
by David French

Those of us who’ve pledged that we will never, ever vote for Donald Trump always get the same response: “You’d put Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office instead?” Clinton’s name is spoken like an epithet, as if it’s unthinkable that any conservative would take any single action that could facilitate her election. I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Clinton, but I also do not believe that Trump would make a better president. Not because Clinton isn’t as bad as you think, but because Trump is worse than you imagine.

There’s no real difference in character between the two. They lie as easily as they breathe: habitually, transparently, shamelessly. Hillary lies like a lawyer, always parsing her words to provide a legal escape route. Trump lies like a thug, contradicting himself with each successive breath and daring anyone to call him on it. They both seek to destroy their political opponents, and they’d probably both wield the levers of power to do so and to reward their friends. In other words, they’re both fundamentally corrupt.

We know what we’ll get from Clinton when it comes to foreign policy. She’s an internationalist interventionist with more muscular instincts than Barack Obama and less resolve than George W. Bush. She voted for the Iraq invasion but then went wobbly as the war dragged on. She backed the surge in Afghanistan, advocated intervention in Libya, and was famously more skeptical of the Arab Spring than Obama. Her “reset” with Russia was a disaster, but she’ll broadly back American allies, maintain our stewardship of NATO, and keep our other international commitments.

Trump’s foreign policy, insofar as he has a coherent foreign policy, is by contrast an entire casserole of crazy. At various points in the campaign, he’s promised that he’d order the military to commit war crimes by torturing terrorists and killing their families; he’s called our core alliances in question; he’s pledged to remain neutral in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians; and he’s switched anti-ISIS strategies so many times that no one has the slightest clue what he’d do. This is a man who has on multiple occasions endorsed a “bomb them all and take their oil” strategy for fixing the war-torn Middle East. He’d alienate every Muslim ally America has, including the Kurds, and he’s still completely mystified by the most basic defense concepts. The entire world would be less secure with his finger on the button.

On trade, Clinton will almost certainly be superior to Trump.  Trump pledges to “win” through punitive tariffs that would increase the price of consumer goods and trigger trade wars, but he gives little indication that he understands the economics of trade, the reality of the American economy, or even the truth about American manufacturing. (It is not, in fact, disappearing.) Clinton, by contrast, would probably maintain the trade-policy status quo, and while that status quo creates winners and losers — as any status quo would — free trade has long been an overall positive for American families.

The Clinton and Trump tax plans are both miserable. Clinton offers the standard Democratic package of tax increases for the rich and vastly increased spending, while Trump’s tax cuts would blast a hole in the budget, adding as much debt as Obama did — without the burden of a historic recession. Clinton’s plan would probably slow economic growth, but would be closer to revenue-neutral. Trump’s plan would spur more growth but would also increase the national debt by up to $10 trillion. Pick your poison.

But what about the areas where Trump fans argue that he’d clearly be better than Clinton? On abortion, immigration, and judges, we know what she’d do — protect Planned Parenthood, try to enact a path to citizenship, and appoint the standard-issue leftist legal technocrats to the bench.

How much better would Trump be? It’s impossible to know if his recent pro-life conversion is genuine, but it can’t be a good sign that he still refuses to denounce Planned Parenthood, consistently using Democratic talking points to praise the nation’s largest abortion provider. On immigration — aside from that big, beautiful wall, which is a pipe dream at best — he’s all over the place. And his corporate record indicates that he’s exactly the kind of “jobs Americans won’t do” legal-immigration and touchback-amnesty advocate who would be all too willing to open the door so wide that no one would have to scale the wall.

As for judges, the indications are similarly ominous. He praises his far-left sister and promises to nominate men and women whom everyone will like. But not everyone likes true conservatives. In reality, he’ll probably nominate friends and cronies — people who’ve said nice things about him. The best-case scenario is that he’ll delegate lower-court judicial nominations to home-state senators, simply adopting their recommendations. He’d probably be better than Hillary, but not by much.

He’d also probably be better than Hillary on the Second Amendment. There is at least a chance that he’d nominate a Supreme Court justice who wouldn’t vote for the repeal of the individual right to keep and bear arms, and it’s doubtful that he’d initiate any meaningful gun-control measures. But who knows what he might negotiate in the heat of the moment? Any position he takes — most definitely including all of the “conservative” stances he’s adopted since launching his campaign — could be discarded at a moment’s notice if it became politically inconvenient. It’s impossible to know what he actually believes, if he actually believes anything.

But virtually everything we do know about Trump is negative. He lies. He traffics in far-left conspiracy theories. He incites violence. He surrounds himself with thugs, cronies, and fools. He’s ignorant of the most basic realities of national security, foreign policy, and global economics. He has a decades-long record of corruption and a decades-long record of liberalism. In arguing that he’s better than Clinton, his supporters now ask us to trust his current “conservative” incarnation and disregard that record. We don’t really know how he’ll handle immigration, trade, ISIS, abortion, or judges. But trust him. He’ll do better. Yes, Trump has praised single-payer health care during this election, but trust him. He’ll do better than Obamacare. Yes, Trump has advocated touchback amnesty and increased legal immigration, but trust him. He’ll protect American workers. Yes, Trump has supported abortion-on-demand and gun control, but trust him. He’s changed. Yes, Trump has written large checks to leftist politicians, but trust him. He’ll fight them as president. Yes, his campaign team lives in the gutter, but trust him. He’ll appoint good people.

Hillary Clinton is the most beatable likely Democratic nominee since John Kerry, and the GOP is poised to nominate the one man least likely to beat her, and the one man who would be just as bad in the White House. I don’t vote for despicable people. I don’t vote for leftists. And I will never, ever, vote for Donald Trump. He’s no better than she is.


Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 30, 2016, 09:37:50 AM
I thought we already established he doesn't have one.
Technically, he has an outie. He just wishes that he had an innie.

Am I really the only one on here who has seen him naked?
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 09:55:11 AM
he gave money to ant-gun democrats and that makes him a liar on the second amendment? REACHING

From your article:Once again REACHING!


He's right about the brain power. He just has to be careful that he does not get called an anti immigration racist bigot by not wanting the unskilled  labor to enter the country on these visas. Then again this is neither here nor there on any subject in the meme!

Any more bogeymen you want to exercise?


Some of you are so hellbent on hating the man for every little thing that you are missing the big picture. That big picture was on the RIGHT side of that meme. If you think the positions of the evil one on the right side of that meme are acceptable, then vote for her.

He's recently espoused everyone of those views and very conveniently. He will do and say anything to get what he wants. It's the Donald way. And has been his whole life. Trump supporters are a perfect example of his strategy of tapping into anger that totally disregards logic and past precedent. I thought that's what the right accused the left of in 08? Say it ain't so.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 09:58:50 AM
What is the stereotype? The one the media gives you? Or the one where many Americans from all walks of life are pissed off and want something different?

It's funny how many people like jizzy here state that only the uneducatedsupport Trump. Yet I talk to propel every day who make well I've 100k a year who support him.

Damn dumbass rednecks we are I guess.

The GOP destroyed themselves. You can only lie to the people so much, and then they catch on.

Whether Trump is right for the job or not, he is definitely hitting it at just the right time.

And the stereotype out there is a group of Americans ready for a change in direction!

Get on board or get with hitlary!

Cruz and Kasich are done!

You obviously suck with math and how a convention works. This is going to a convention. The people that run it do not like trump. The delegates there do not like trump. If he doesn't win on the first ballot where the pledged delegates are bound to him, he is through. Maybe you should do some research on the 1860 GOP convention. This seems to be going down the same way so far.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:00:57 AM
He's recently espoused everyone of those views and very conveniently. He will do and say anything to get what he wants. It's the Donald way. And has been his whole life. Trump supporters are a perfect example of his strategy of tapping into anger that totally disregards logic and past precedent. I thought that's what the right accused the left of in 08? Say it ain't so.

The difference is that in '08, the candidate in question HAD a political record to go by. He had no business record to go by.

In this case, we can only speculate as to what Trump will do.

We KNEW what the great ONE would do. And he DID.

So it is not quite the same. If Trump had been in politics and had the same opinions and record to back it up, most would not touch him.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 10:10:25 AM
The difference is that in '08, the candidate in question HAD a political record to go by. He had no business record to go by.

In this case, we can only speculate as to what Trump will do.

We KNEW what the great ONE would do. And he DID.

So it is not quite the same. If Trump had been in politics and had the same opinions and record to back it up, most would not touch him.

Oh he's been in politics. Just ask him. He literally said that. He's bought and paid for all kinds of liberal politicians. That's the definition of a lobbyist that he claims to hate so much. Of course he needs no pax money. He's a billionaire. Easy for him to say. But most everyone else running HAS to get donations! It's the game that's played. Donald has plenty of evidence of his track record of positions. He's an absolute authoritarian. 50 years of views and actions doesn't get erased in 8 months.

He's donated to dens at a 2/1 ratio versus the GOP. Do you see the Koch brothers or Sheldon adelson donating to people like Soros Pacs, Hillary for president, rahm for mayor, pelosi for speaker and on and on and on? I reject the notion that a businessman must donate to slimey politicians to succeed. Most do not.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:11:27 AM
You obviously suck with math and how a convention works. This is going to a convention. The people that run it do not like trump. The delegates there do not like trump. If he doesn't win on the first ballot where the pledged delegates are bound to him, he is through. Maybe you should do some research on the 1860 GOP convention. This seems to be going down the same way so far.

I think we've come a long way from word of mouth and plows and pitchforks.

That would be suicide for the the GOP.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:12:39 AM
I reject the notion that a businessman must donate to slimey politicians to succeed. Most do not.

And they don't succeed in New York.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 10:15:26 AM
I think we've come a long way from word of mouth and plows and pitchforks.

That would be suicide for the the GOP.

There is no sabotage. No rule changes. That's how the game works. There are rules. Keep believing that rumor mongering that people like Sean hannity are peddling though about underhanded convention actions.

You have to have 8 state wins to be on the ballot at the convention.

1st ballot - all pledged delegates are bound. Unpledged can do what they want.

2nd ballot - no delegates are bound at this point. It's an open vote.

I'm saying of trump doesn't get this thing on the first ballot then he's toast. And I'd say that even the 1st ballot is a tossup at this point. There are no shenanigans. This is what happened in 1860.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
From Ogre's "Oh no! Not Trump!" article:

On trade, Clinton will almost certainly be superior to Trump.  Trump pledges to “win” through punitive tariffs that would increase the price of consumer goods and trigger trade wars, but he gives little indication that he understands the economics of trade, the reality of the American economy, or even the truth about American manufacturing. (It is not, in fact, disappearing.) Clinton, by contrast, would probably maintain the trade-policy status quo, and while that status quo creates winners and losers — as any status quo would — free trade has long been an overall positive for American families.


False.  Clinton was a major supporter of (and instrumental in the development of) NAFTA.  She's never owned a business, never had a real job and is far inferior to Trump in the ability to understand the basics of the economy. Keeping NAFTA (or the "free trade" policies) is not beneficial to America or American families. And if this guy doesn't think American manufacturing is disappearing, he hasn't been to a single small town in his life.  He's a billion percent wrong on this point.

We know what we’ll get from Clinton when it comes to foreign policy. She’s an internationalist interventionist with more muscular instincts than Barack Obama and less resolve than George W. Bush. She voted for the Iraq invasion but then went wobbly as the war dragged on. She backed the surge in Afghanistan, advocated intervention in Libya, and was famously more skeptical of the Arab Spring than Obama. Her “reset” with Russia was a disaster, but she’ll broadly back American allies, maintain our stewardship of NATO, and keep our other international commitments.

Misleading.  Every single move this shrew made as Secretary of State was an unmitigated disaster and weakened the country.  We can't afford to let her be in charge of the whole enchilada.  Yes, we know what we get from her.  And it's awful.  When you know it's awful you can't reject her opponent because he "might" be bad.  It's hard to imagine anything that could be worse. 

Not going to continue the point-by-point, but the fact is this:  We KNOW Clinton will be abysmal.  Worst ever and her election could be the death knell for this country. Whatever this guy (or anyone else) expects from Trump is nothing but speculation.  He could be terrible.  But he could be great. For that reason, anyone -- even Trump -- is better than Clinton.  Period.   

Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:20:53 AM
Not going to continue the point-by-point, but the fact is this:  We KNOW Clinton will be abysmal.  Worst ever and her election could be the death knell for this country. Whatever this guy (or anyone else) expects from Trump is nothing but speculation.  He could be terrible.  But he could be great. For that reason, anyone -- even Trump -- is better than Clinton.  Period.

Apparently this point goes right over people's heads.

As bad as some speculate Trump MAY be, we KNOW how bad hitlary IS!

Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:23:07 AM
There is no sabotage. No rule changes. That's how the game works. There are rules. Keep believing that rumor mongering that people like Sean hannity are peddling though about underhanded convention actions.

You have to have 8 state wins to be on the ballot at the convention.

1st ballot - all pledged delegates are bound. Unpledged can do what they want.

2nd ballot - no delegates are bound at this point. It's an open vote.

I'm saying of trump doesn't get this thing on the first ballot then he's toast. And I'd say that even the 1st ballot is a tossup at this point. There are no shenanigans. This is what happened in 1860.

Still suicide. The people vote and want their vote heard. We live in an age of instant communication. It will not take two weeks for the decision to reach the people. This is not 1860.
There will be no GOP after this. Then the dims win.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
Apparently this point goes right over people's heads.

As bad as some speculate Trump MAY be, we KNOW how bad hitlary IS!

So you're admitting there is a good possibility of a "lesser of two evils" choice being put before us once again? Like we've had in every single election since Reagan left Penn avenue...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 10:26:16 AM
Still suicide. The people vote and want their vote heard. We live in an age of instant communication. It will not take two weeks for the decision to reach the people. This is not 1860.
There will be no GOP after this. Then the dims win.

It happened in 1976 too. The GOP came out stronger in 1980. Reagan had a lot of votes in 1976 and was denied. This is way it works. Donald signed up for the rules as they exist. The delegate process is complicated and I'm sorry if he and his supporters don't understand it.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 10:27:10 AM
So you're admitting there is a good possibility of a "lesser of two evils" choice being put before us once again? Like we've had in every single election since Reagan left Penn avenue...

I've admitted that a thousand times.

Therefore, I look for the positives that can come out of this.

Hitlary has no positives!
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
Still suicide. The people vote and want their vote heard. We live in an age of instant communication. It will not take two weeks for the decision to reach the people. This is not 1860.
There will be no GOP after this. Then the dims win.

A Trump nomination will be suicide as well.  There is no "win" here.  Either way we go, the party is going the way of the Whigs.  Which may have been part of the plan all along, considering Trump consulted with Bill Clinton prior to officially tossing his hat in the ring.  /bottomfeeder
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 10:32:29 AM
Donald has what...32% of the delegates. Will probably have 35-39% heading into convention.

Ted will have 30-34% heading into convention.

Not sure where the logic comes from that Donald being denied is political suicide. Both can't win. Either scenario that happens, roughly 60-65% of the people's votes are not gonna be satisfied. And no the party will not fall apart because 2/3 of the electorates' guy didn't end up winning. That's gonna happen either way.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 10:34:25 AM
Follow CCTAU on Twitter everybody:

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Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 10:47:59 AM
He's really smart, you guys. Just playing dumb for the votes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3DLkxMS_f0

I guess you have to be brainwashed by the libruhl media if you think he sounds like a petulant fucking child here. If you think denying, then "He started it" (which is false anyway), then shifting to attacking Cooper for calling him on it is "smart". You're the poorly educated that is supporting him and there's really not much anyone can tell you to convince you you're being an idiot.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 10:52:21 AM
He's the REAL conservative you guys. Obama care is worse than slavery & the Holocaust combined, but Trumpcare? Sounds like a winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nFNoPPjtA

So according to Trump, the federal government's top three functions are security, education, and healthcare, with "housing, providing great neighborhoods" are close third and fourth.

You agree with all of that?
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 10:53:21 AM
So you're admitting there is a good possibility of a "lesser of two evils" choice being put before us once again? Like we've had in every single election since Reagan left Penn avenue...

YES. 

Been saying this for 51 pages.  We can only speculate as to what Trump may do.  We know what the Hillbillary whore will do. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 10:56:37 AM
He's really smart, you guys. Just playing dumb for the votes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3DLkxMS_f0

I guess you have to be brainwashed by the libruhl media if you think he sounds like a petulant fucking child here. If you think denying, then "He started it" (which is false anyway), then shifting to attacking Cooper for calling him on it is "smart". You're the poorly educated that is supporting him and there's really not much anyone can tell you to convince you you're being an idiot.

Anderson Cooper is a smarmy, flamingly gay, unrepentant left wing supporter. 

Don't give a toasty white shit if he "calls Trump out."   No interest in anything he says.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 11:01:52 AM
He's the REAL conservative you guys. Obama care is worse than slavery & the Holocaust combined, but Trumpcare? Sounds like a winner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nFNoPPjtA

So according to Trump, the federal government's top three functions are security, education, and healthcare, with "housing, providing great neighborhoods" are close third and fourth.

You agree with all of that?

You deliberately misconstrued what he said. 

Security is the primary concern. He said that over and over and over.   

And yes, I agree with that emphatically.  No more Muslims, no more Islam-friendly policies, no more terror apologies, no more bowing and scraping and trying to be more European. 

Anything else is secondary. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: The Six on March 30, 2016, 11:02:34 AM
Anderson Cooper is a smarmy, flamingly gay, unrepentant left wing supporter. 

Don't give a toasty white shoot if he "calls Trump out."   No interest in anything he says.

I was rooting for either Superman or Batman (or both) to kill him in BvS:DoJ. Another misfire in the movie. Maybe it's on the cutting room floor...just like Anderson's balls.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
Here's an interview from a couple of days ago with a conservative talk show host in Wisconsin:

https://soundcloud.com/620-wtmj/charlie-sykes-interviews-donald-trump

If you can listen to this for 17:21 and tell me this is your guy then I don't know what else to say. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:11:49 AM
Here's an interview from a couple of days ago with a conservative talk show host in Wisconsin:

https://soundcloud.com/620-wtmj/charlie-sykes-interviews-donald-trump

If you can listen to this for 17:21 and tell me this is your guy then I don't know what else to say.
Don't worry, they won't let any badthoughts enter.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
You deliberately misconstrued what he said. 

Security is the primary concern. He said that over and over and over.   

And yes, I agree with that emphatically.  No more Muslims, no more Islam-friendly policies, no more terror apologies, no more bowing and scraping and trying to be more European. 

Anything else is secondary.
Yes, he said Security is #1 with a bullet. Ok. What's #2 & #3 (and honorable mention)?

How is that misconstruing what he said? He said over and over again that it is not ONLY the federal government's responsibility, it is among their TOP responsibilities to provide healthcare, education, and providing housing are the next most important responsibilities of the Federal government. Do you agree or disagree with that? Do you consider those conservative principles? Again, you're a fucking honor student in the the Trump University school of dodging the question.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
Anderson Cooper is a smarmy, flamingly gay, unrepentant left wing supporter. 

Don't give a toasty white shit if he "calls Trump out."   No interest in anything he says.
Dodge. Ad-hominem fallacy.

Gay people can't say anything valid. Cooper's sexuality totally makes Trump's argument there coherent.

You and CCTAU are fucking INCAPABLE of debate without going straight to irrelevant ad-hominem attacks.

He's not a liberal by the way. He's only ever contributed $250 to a Republican candidate. Never to a Democrat. He's fiscally conservative, but makes a point (way better than the average news pundit) at remaining objective in his reporting and not getting into his personal opinions. But yeah, he's gay so...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 11:21:20 AM
Here's an interview from a couple of days ago with a conservative talk show host in Wisconsin:

https://soundcloud.com/620-wtmj/charlie-sykes-interviews-donald-trump

If you can listen to this for 17:21 and tell me this is your guy then I don't know what else to say.

I could listen to him for 4867917:71 and whatever he says will still be better than Hillary.  That's the point ALL of you seem to be missing.  It's not about supporting Trump, it's about whoever can slay the anti Christ.  I don't care what the polls say today.  I don't care that they claim Trump can't beat her.  I don't trust the pollsters.  They don't want Trump any more than the rest of the left-owned media.  They can skew results any way they want and are doing their best to make the case that Trump shouldn't win.   

That wretched bitch is a political animal, and for that reason she will destroy Cruz, Kasich and even Johnson in a head-to-head match.  Because they are politicians, too.  She will shred them and turn them into simpering blobs of goo. Trump is enough of a maverick that he is, in my opinion, the only one with a legitimate chance at stopping her.  He doesn't give a shit.  There's nothing she can throw at him that will make him weasel.

And that's what I want.  I want to deny her the White House.  I loathe her at a level that you apparently can't comprehend. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Don't worry, they won't let any badthoughts enter.

I could listen to him for 4867917:71 and whatever he says will still be better than Hillary.
Told you.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
I could listen to him for 4867917:71 and whatever he says will still be better than Hillary.  That's the point ALL of you seem to be missing.  It's not about supporting Trump, it's about whoever can slay the anti Christ.  I don't care what the polls say today.  I don't care that they claim Trump can't beat her.  I don't trust the pollsters.  They don't want Trump any more than the rest of the left-owned media.  They can skew results any way they want and are doing their best to make the case that Trump shouldn't win.   

That wretched bitch is a political animal, and for that reason she will destroy Cruz, Kasich and even Johnson in a head-to-head match.  Because they are politicians, too.  She will shred them and turn them into simpering blobs of goo. Trump is enough of a maverick that he is, in my opinion, the only one with a legitimate chance at stopping her.  He doesn't give a shit.  There's nothing she can throw at him that will make him weasel.

And that's what I want.  I want to deny her the White House.  I loathe her at a level that you apparently can't comprehend.
If only everyone was as easily manipulated as you are, you may have a point. Unfortunately for you and the Donald, and fortunately for the country, they're not.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
Dodge. Ad-hominem fallacy.

Gay people can't say anything valid. Cooper's sexuality totally makes Trump's argument there coherent.

You and CCTAU are fucking INCAPABLE of debate without going straight to irrelevant ad-hominem attacks.

He's not a liberal by the way. He's only ever contributed $250 to a Republican candidate. Never to a Democrat. He's fiscally conservative, but makes a point (way better than the average news pundit) at remaining objective in his reporting and not getting into his personal opinions. But yeah, he's gay so...

You are incapable of hearing. 

I don't give a fiddly fuck whether Trump is a conservative or a liberal.  You wasted 11 pages on that.
 
I don't give a fiddly fuck to whom Trump contributed.  You wasted six pages on that.

I don't give a fiddly fuck if Trump "lies."  You wasted another nine pages on that.

I don't give a fiddly fuck about Gary CW Johnson. He can't win. (CW).  Two more pages or so on that. 

I don't give a fiddly fuck if Trump is "rude" or "arrogant" or "classless" or any of the rest of the tags that have been stuck to him.  Ten more pages.

I don't care what Anderson Cooper (who's NOT an objective reporter by any stretch) or anybody else says or does. 

I'm looking for one thing and one thing only:  Who can beat that raging bitch from the other side.  As I watch Trump tap into the underlying frustration of the average American voter?  I personally believe he's the only candidate who can rally that sentiment and draw the support to take her down.  He's the only candidate with a chance to beat her in New York, Florida and Ohio.   And that's enough for me. 

Anything else you say is utterly irrelevant.  I'd vote for a dead rabbit over her.  I'd vote for Charles Manson over her.  And if I thought Ru Paul could generate the support I'd vote for him too. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 11:36:01 AM
I could listen to him for 4867917:71 and whatever he says will still be better than Hillary.  That's the point ALL of you seem to be missing.  It's not about supporting Trump, it's about whoever can slay the anti Christ.  I don't care what the polls say today.  I don't care that they claim Trump can't beat her.  I don't trust the pollsters.  They don't want Trump any more than the rest of the left-owned media.  They can skew results any way they want and are doing their best to make the case that Trump shouldn't win.   

That wretched bitch is a political animal, and for that reason she will destroy Cruz, Kasich and even Johnson in a head-to-head match.  Because they are politicians, too.  She will shred them and turn them into simpering blobs of goo. Trump is enough of a maverick that he is, in my opinion, the only one with a legitimate chance at stopping her.  He doesn't give a shoot.  There's nothing she can throw at him that will make him weasel.

And that's what I want.  I want to deny her the White House.  I loathe her at a level that you apparently can't comprehend.

You're basing all of this off of a hunch.  You just feel like Trump can put her in her place and take the electoral college.  There is literally not ONE shred of evidence that this is the case.  The polls that Trump loves to tout show Cruz can hold his ground against Hillary, and he's twice the conservative that Trump has ever thought of being.  Cruz would slaughter Hillary in a debate, and actually be able to coherently espouse conservative beliefs.  All Trump can do is hurl insults which will play right into Hillary's hands. 

Trump will not win New York, Ohio or Florida.  Hell, the current polling shows he is at danger of losing UTAH to Hillary.  UTAH!  The most conservative state in the union is at risk of turning blue if Trump is the nominee.  He will be beaten in a Mondale-esque landslide.  He is polling with the highest "unfavorable" numbers of any candidate since the polling began.  But instead of nominating someone who actually has a shot, the Trumpkins want to flip a bird at everyone to prove a point.  In the end, it's only going to give Hillary the White House.

Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 11:43:24 AM
You're basing all of this off of a hunch.  You just feel like Trump can put her in her place and take the electoral college.  There is literally not ONE shred of evidence that this is the case.  The polls that Trump loves to tout show Cruz can hold his ground against Hillary, and he's twice the conservative that Trump has ever thought of being.  Cruz would slaughter Hillary in a debate, and actually be able to coherently espouse conservative beliefs.  All Trump can do is hurl insults which will play right into Hillary's hands. 

No, I'm basing this off the fact that he's in the lead right now.  I'll support whoever's on the other side.  Cruz will NOT destroy Hillary in a debate because he flails like a sniveling weasel-fish against Trump (who should be an easy target).  If he can't outdo Trump?  He's got no chance against a savvy political beast like her.  Can Trump beat her in a debate?  Probably not. But the percentage of people basing their vote on that is miniscule anyway if it's down to him and her.   

Trump will not win New York, Ohio or Florida.  Hell, the current polling shows he is at danger of losing UTAH to Hillary.  UTAH!  The most conservative state in the union is at risk of turning blue if Trump is the nominee.  He will be beaten in a Mondale-esque landslide.  He is polling with the highest "unfavorable" numbers of any candidate since the polling began.  But instead of nominating someone who actually has a shot, the Trumpkins want to flip a bird at everyone to prove a point.  In the end, it's only going to give Hillary the White House.

Polls.  I'm not buying it. 

Trump may not win NY, Ohio or Florida but he's got a better chance than Cruz does.  Trump brings voters out. Cruz puts them to sleep.

YOU are speculating that he will lose in a landslide.  I don't subscribe to that notion.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 11:44:34 AM
You are incapable of hearing. 

I don't give a fiddly fuck whether Trump is a conservative or a liberal.  You wasted 11 pages on that.
 
I don't give a fiddly fuck to whom Trump contributed.  You wasted six pages on that.

I don't give a fiddly fuck if Trump "lies."  You wasted another nine pages on that.
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I don't give a fiddly fuck if Trump is "rude" or "arrogant" or "classless" or any of the rest of the tags that have been stuck to him.  Ten more pages.
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I'm looking for one thing and one thing only:  Who can beat that raging bitch from the other side.  As I watch Trump tap into the underlying frustration of the average American voter?  I personally believe he's the only candidate who can rally that sentiment and draw the support to take her down.  He's the only candidate with a chance to beat her in New York, Florida and Ohio.   And that's enough for me. 

Anything else you say is utterly irrelevant.  I'd vote for a dead rabbit over her.  I'd vote for Charles Manson over her.  And if I thought Ru Paul could generate the support I'd vote for him too.
So you're an insane person. Noted.

Some of us are not ok with putting our country in the hands of a sociopathic reality show dipshit. Lots of us in fact. Way more than 51%, thankfully. We don't want RuPaul or Charles Manson or Donald Trump to be the leader of the free world. Because we have common sense about us. None of your insane ramblings will change that for the vast majority of the country, thank God. All of your rational reasons for disliking Hilary are true in spades for Trump, so your little tirade about how he is a better alternative is not grounded in reality whatsoever.

Speaking of not being grounded in reality:

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I don't give a fiddly fuck about Gary CW Johnson. He can't win. (CW).  Two more pages or so on that.

Just because you keep plugging your ears and saying this doesn't make it true. He has almost half the support that Donald has right now with 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of the media coverage. If and when that changes, he will have more support from BOTH sides than Trump, I can guarantee. People claim to want an outsider. The third party candidate (and the only true conservative on the ballot) is the ultimate outsider. Not Kim Jong Trump.



Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
So you're an insane person. Noted.

Some of us are not ok with putting our country in the hands of a sociopathic reality show dipshit. Lots of us in fact. Way more than 51%, thankfully. We don't want RuPaul or Charles Manson or Donald Trump to be the leader of the free world. Because we have common sense about us. None of your insane ramblings will change that for the vast majority of the country, thank God. All of your rational reasons for disliking Hilary are true in spades for Trump, so your little tirade about how he is a better alternative is not grounded in reality whatsoever.

Speaking of not being grounded in reality:

Just because you keep plugging your ears and saying this doesn't make it true. He has almost half the support that Donald has right now with 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of the media coverage. If and when that changes, he will have more support from BOTH sides than Trump, I can guarantee. People claim to want an outsider. The third party candidate (and the only true conservative on the ballot) is the ultimate outsider. Not Kim Jong Trump.

Jesus FUCK.

We know what Hillary is.  We know what she will do. 

Trump could be the next great president.  Or he could be a clusterfuck that's gone in four years or less.  Either way?  Better than her. 

How can I say that?  Simple:


You're given two boxes.  One is filled with radioactive lava.  It's been tested for radiation and is off the charts.  A thermo scan shows that it's raging at 2,120 degrees.   It's clearly labeled as radioactive lava.  The second box is making weird noises that could be lava -- or could just be cool water.  You think you know what's in it, but you don't know for sure.   You have to stick your face into one of the boxes.  Which do you choose? 

Do you select the undeniable disfigurement and possible death that comes from the first box or do you take a chance and hope there will be a better result from the second?   

Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Jesus fudge.

We know what Hillary is.  We know what she will do. 

Trump could be the next great president.  Or he could be a clusterfudge that's gone in four years or less.  Either way?  Better than her. 

How can I say that?  Simple:


You're given two boxes.  One is filled with radioactive lava.  It's been tested for radiation and is off the charts.  A thermo scan shows that it's raging at 2,120 degrees.   It's clearly labeled as radioactive lava.  The second box is making weird noises that could be lava -- or could just be cool water.  You think you know what's in it, but you don't know for sure.   You have to stick your face into one of the boxes.  Which do you choose? 

Do you select the undeniable disfigurement and possible death that comes from the first box or do you take a chance and hope there will be a better result from the second?

To play on this analogy - I can tell you that when I hold box #2 it scalds my hands and the nearby geiger counter is going off the charts.  So I put both boxes down and refuse to put my face in either. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 12:03:43 PM
To play on this analogy - I can tell you that when I hold box #2 it scalds my hands and the nearby geiger counter is going off the charts.  So I put both boxes down and refuse to put my face in either.

Well, you don't have that choice.  Fail to choose and your family will be dropped into Box #1. 

That's the reality. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: wesfau2 on March 30, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
Your hypothetical is flawed.

It's not as though Trump just appeared to us from the ether.  We know him.  We loathe him.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: bottomfeeder on March 30, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
A Trump nomination will be suicide as well.  There is no "win" here.  Either way we go, the party is going the way of the Whigs.  Which may have been part of the plan all along, considering Trump consulted with Bill Clinton prior to officially tossing his hat in the ring.  /bottomfeeder

It looks as if he gets the nomination, then totally flops giving Billary the White House. I can't say for sure, but he is clueless about the enumerated powers and responsibilities of the federal government.
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Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:11:10 PM

Do you select the undeniable disfigurement and possible death that comes from the first box or do you take a chance and hope there will be a better result from the second?

Ohhh. They have principles. They would stick their face in the first box. "Cause they just KNOW the second one is BADDDD"!
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:11:55 PM

YOU are speculating that he will lose in a landslide.  I don't subscribe to that notion.

You might go as far as saying he "has a hunch"!
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Ogre on March 30, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
You might go as far as saying he "has a hunch"!

A hunch...and dozens of polls.  You know, the same kinds of polls that The Donald loves to talk about. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:13:37 PM
Dodge. Ad-hominem fallacy.

Gay people can't say anything valid.

You and CCTAU are fucking INCAPABLE of debate without going straight to irrelevant ad-hominem attacks.

Its hard to debate with you gay people and your hominems...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: AUChizad on March 30, 2016, 12:16:10 PM
To play on this analogy - I can tell you that when I hold box #2 it scalds my hands and the nearby geiger counter is going off the charts.  So I put both boxes down and refuse to put my face in either.
Let alone the insane hyperbole of the Hillary box. It's maybe got a dog turd laced with shards of broken glass in it. Not something I want to put in my face either, but not something that's probably going to kill me like the ticking, glowing Trump box...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:18:21 PM
Let alone the insane hyperbole of the Hillary box. It's maybe got a dog turd laced with shards of broken glass in it. Not something I want to put in my face either, but not something that's probably going to kill me like the ticking, glowing Trump box...

And there in lies the problem.

Your kind will accept hitlary knowing what she is, but will not accept Trump and the not knowing.

Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 12:35:24 PM
Let alone the insane hyperbole of the Hillary box. It's maybe got a dog turd laced with shards of broken glass in it. Not something I want to put in my face either, but not something that's probably going to kill me like the ticking, glowing Trump box...

That's where you're wrong and we will never agree. 

Her box is poison.  It will kill you.  And she will lie about your death to your family. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: CCTAU on March 30, 2016, 12:42:08 PM
That's where you're wrong and we will never agree. 

Her box is poison.  It will kill you.  And she will lie about your death to your family.

its Ok. they are probably like him and would blame Trump for it anyway. Apparently he could possibly be the next Hitler Stalin.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: bottomfeeder on March 30, 2016, 01:02:39 PM
Does Trump know the preamble by heart?

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federal government has responsibilities for defence, currency, trade customs, immigrations and postal/communication.

Imho, their responsibilities are defense/tranquility, securing/protecting our rights (state and individual; see the Declaration of Independence) and regulation of free-market commerce/mail, and others. These are the top three to me.

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^ Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 635 (1886) ("[C]onstitutional provisions for the security of person and property should be liberally construed. A close and literal construction deprives them of half their efficacy, and leads to gradual depreciation of the right, as if it consisted more in sound than in substance. It is the duty of courts to be watchful for the constitutional rights of the citizen, and against any stealthy encroachments thereon."), recognized as abrogated on other grounds in Fisher v. United States, 425 U.S. 391 (1976).
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Pell City Tiger on March 30, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
It looks as if he gets the nomination, then totally flops giving Billary the White House. I can't say for sure, but he is clueless about the enumerated powers and responsibilities of the federal government.
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To be honest, we haven't had a president in 15 years who has given a damn about enumerated powers.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: dallaswareagle on March 30, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
Let alone the insane hyperbole of the Hillary box. It's maybe got a dog turd laced with shards of broken glass in it. Not something I want to put in my face either, but not something that's probably going to kill me like the ticking, glowing Trump box...

These guys would say hello if they could.

U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith.
Tyrone S. Woods
Glen Doherty
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 30, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
These guys would say hello if they could.

U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens
Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith.
Tyrone S. Woods
Glen Doherty

She killed Tiger Woods? 

You forgot Vince Foster.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 02:41:38 PM
Follow CCTAU on Twitter everybody:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CezU1vAWQAArEQL.jpg)

The 3 crosses in the pic and the angry cursing mixed are a nice touch.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: GH2001 on March 30, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
No, I'm basing this off the fact that he's in the lead right now.  I'll support whoever's on the other side.  Cruz will NOT destroy Hillary in a debate because he flails like a sniveling weasel-fish against Trump (who should be an easy target).  If he can't outdo Trump?  He's got no chance against a savvy political beast like her.  Can Trump beat her in a debate?  Probably not. But the percentage of people basing their vote on that is miniscule anyway if it's down to him and her.   

Polls.  I'm not buying it. 

Trump may not win NY, Ohio or Florida but he's got a better chance than Cruz does.  Trump brings voters out. Cruz puts them to sleep.

YOU are speculating that he will lose in a landslide.  I don't subscribe to that notion.

Good grief dude. Really?

Cruz has been a national debate champion. Problem with the debates so far? Trump muddies the waters in them. Moderators don't do their jobs. It's hard to be a classic debater when you are the only one going by the rules. In a perfect world the moderators would have buttons on their desks that linked to each persons microphone with the ability to mute them at any time (when speaking out of turn). And please tell me what contrasting position trump is gonna have up there with Hillary? She will be able to point out every single position and show where he is lying now and espoused the exact opposite position a mere year or two ago. At that point she will be able to show there is no distinction between them, except he is a republican and very unlikeable. Yes even more than her. Ball game Hillary.

Your Fuhrer loves the polls. He touts them regularly. And for the most part they've been pretty correct. The difference in his gap with Hillary and anyone else's gap at this point in the race is that his is due almost entirely to his unfavorability rating which is the highest ever recorded at 70%. Reagan had a gap to Carter at this point but it wasn't this much and it was largely because Reagan was unknown to the nation. Donald isn't afforded that excuse. People know him all too well. And he is who he is. That unfavorability rating is going nowhere dude.
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: War Eagle!!! on March 31, 2016, 02:49:03 PM
Her box is poison.  It will kill you.  And she will lie about your death to your family.

Probably why Bill fucked all those other women...
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 31, 2016, 03:39:03 PM
Probably why Bill fucked all those other women...

That and she looks like she was born of an unholy union between gollum and a dirty sweatsock. 
Title: Re: Explaining Trump to the betas!
Post by: Kaos on March 31, 2016, 03:40:51 PM
Your hypothetical is flawed.

It's not as though Trump just appeared to us from the ether.  We know him.  We loathe him.

You still don't have the first idea how he will govern. 

We sure as shit know what that butch bitch will do.  And if you choose that over literally anything else, including a brown-stained dildo?  I can't help you.  You're beyond lost.