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Title: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on February 29, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2015454363


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I recommend giving the site a try. I also recommend clicking "Other stances" for more nuanced answers. I also recommend the Show More Questions thing to get more precise results.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Kaos on February 29, 2016, 11:39:54 PM
Well here's a surprise. 

Trump.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUTiger1 on March 01, 2016, 08:59:18 AM
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2015454363


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I recommend giving the site a try. I also recommend clicking "Other stances" for more nuanced answers. I also recommend the Show More Questions thing to get more precise results.

This fall on deaf ears.  Sad, but it will. 
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 09:53:22 AM
Well here's a surprise. 

Trump.
No offense, but not surprising to me given your affinity for fascism.

There's no accounting for likability in the algorithm, hence why Cruz is 2nd for me and Kasich is dead last, both of which I found surprising.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on March 01, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
I got 81% Bernie Sanders, 80% Hillary Clinton, 78% Jill Stein, 72% Gary Johnson, 64% Donald Trump.

Some questions were missing and some answers weren't good enough. I don't support Obamacare and I do want a single payer system. That option wasn't available. Also, my biggest beef with Bernie is his stance on free college for everyone. That wasn't really addressed.

I also factor in more than their policy stances. I do think Bernie Sanders genuinely cares about the American people but is misguided and misinformed. I think Hillary Clinton is an awful person and I wouldn't vote for her if our views lined up 100%.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 10:08:13 AM
No offense, but not surprising to me given your affinity for fascism.

There's no accounting for likability in the algorithm, hence why Cruz is 2nd for me and Kasich is dead last, both of which I found surprising.

WHATEVER. You may as well have written in Yogi the Freaking Bear!

Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 10:23:35 AM
I got 81% Bernie Sanders, 80% Hillary Clinton, 78% Jill Stein, 72% Gary Johnson, 64% Donald Trump.

Some questions were missing and some answers weren't good enough. I don't support Obamacare and I do want a single payer system. That option wasn't available. Also, my biggest beef with Bernie is his stance on free college for everyone. That wasn't really addressed.

I also factor in more than their policy stances. I do think Bernie Sanders genuinely cares about the American people but is misguided and misinformed. I think Hillary Clinton is an awful person and I wouldn't vote for her if our views lined up 100%.
Damn bro. I wonder if even Wes matches as left as you. Somehow I'm the libruhl beta-male hippie pinko faggot on this site tho...

Anyway, regarding this:
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Some questions were missing and some answers weren't good enough. I don't support Obamacare and I do want a single payer system.
I assume you answered "Yes, but a mandatory single payer system would be even better".

If you want a single payer system, and you ignore your political predisposition to dislike the "Obama" part of the word "Obamacare", that's really what you mean when you say you don't like it BECAUSE it should be single payer instead.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 10:23:49 AM
WHATEVER. You may as well have written in Yogi the Freaking Bear!
lolwhut?
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: djsimp on March 01, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
92% Ben Carson
90% Donald Trump.
89% Carly Fiorina
88% Marco Rubio
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUTiger1 on March 01, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
This fall on deaf ears.  Sad, but it will. 

WHATEVER. You may as well have written in Yogi the Freaking Bear!


And with thinking like this, we will always be stuck with the two party system of R's and D's that are more worried about being government spenders and holding on to power. 
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 10:41:20 AM
lolwhut?

Sorry. Meant "WRITE IN". As in this is a wasted vote.

Wow. How surprising.

Trump
Carson
Rubio
Cruz

Except I do not like Rubio's immigration stance.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 10:54:30 AM

And with thinking like this, we will always be stuck with the two party system of R's and D's that are more worried about being government spenders and holding on to power.

Yes. Let's all throw our vote away so we can ensure another 8 years of the same ole leftwing batshit crazy that is running the country today!

Do you really think the gimmes in the left are going to vote like you EVER? They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Seems the road to socialism might be the same...
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 10:59:36 AM
OK. This might be a bullshit site.

I compared Chizads questions to the ones that I was asked. A lot of different questions came up.

I did not get "Do you support the Patriot Act".

Others are different too it seems.

Well. apparently there were more questions that I did not click on in my haste. I took the survey again.

This time:

Trump
Cruz
Carson
Rubio

That is closer to what I thought.
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Post by: djsimp on March 01, 2016, 11:05:22 AM
OK. This might be a bullshit site.

I compared Chizads questions to the ones that I was asked. A lot of different questions came up.

I did not get "Do you support the Patriot Act".

Others are different too it seems.

There is a tab at the bottom of each section that goes into more detail for each subject. Try that maybe.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Townhallsavoy on March 01, 2016, 11:13:35 AM
Damn bro. I wonder if even Wes matches as left as you. Somehow I'm the libruhl beta-male hippie pinko faggot on this site tho...


I'm extremely left on a few issues. Again, I wonder how accurate the site is in matching my views with candidates. I selected pro-life except in the cases of incest, rape, and health dangers for the mother and/or child. Does that make me a radical Commie Sanders supporter? I don't think the NSA should be spying on allies nor do I think the FBI should be able to force Apple to crack open iPhones. Does that mean I'm a hippy? I don't know. I think there's a place on the site to see how my votes aligned with each candidate. I should check that out.

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Anyway, regarding this:I assume you answered "Yes, but a mandatory single payer system would be even better".

If you want a single payer system, and you ignore your political predisposition to dislike the "Obama" part of the word "Obamacare", that's really what you mean when you say you don't like it BECAUSE it should be single payer instead.

I didn't. The question was "Do you support Obamacare?" and I put no. Does that put me in the Cruz camp?
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 11:14:50 AM
There is a tab at the bottom of each section that goes into more detail for each subject. Try that maybe.
^^^Yep.

Like I said in the first post:
I recommend giving the site a try. I also recommend clicking "Other stances" for more nuanced answers. I also recommend the Show More Questions thing to get more precise results.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2016, 11:20:10 AM
No offense, but not surprising to me given your affinity for fascism.

There's no accounting for likability in the algorithm, hence why Cruz is 2nd for me and Kasich is dead last, both of which I found surprising.

Fascism?  What?

Oh well. Better than socialism.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 01, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
lolwhut?
I know you were hoping to come out with......








Deeeeez Nutzzzzzzz!!!!
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 11:32:37 AM
There is a tab at the bottom of each section that goes into more detail for each subject. Try that maybe.

Yeah. That is what I get for trying to work and play at the same time!
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUTiger1 on March 01, 2016, 11:35:27 AM
Yes. Let's all throw our vote away so we can ensure another 8 years of the same ole leftwing batshit crazy that is running the country today!

Do you really think the gimmes in the left are going to vote like you EVER? They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Seems the road to socialism might be the same...

There is that line of thinking again.  If you weren't so damn thick skulled and get the actual point....I will explain this again.

"Lets all" get fed up and sick and tied of the GOP (who are nothing but Republican in name only, hence RHINO) and get out and campaign, work and spread the word, we could possibly elect a third party candidate that is actually worth a shit.  But "Lets all" sit around and do nothing and keep getting the same stale candidates that represent nothing we won't. 
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 01, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
Idealism led me to vote for Perot two times.

Although it wasn't a costly mistake, IMO, as Slick Willy was better than what will be this time.

Regardless, I won't make the same mistake although it likely won't matter.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 11:58:53 AM
There is that line of thinking again.  If you weren't so damn thick skulled and get the actual point....I will explain this again.

"Lets all" get fed up and sick and tied of the GOP (who are nothing but Republican in name only, hence RHINO) and get out and campaign, work and spread the word, we could possibly elect a third party candidate that is actually worth a shit.  But "Lets all" sit around and do nothing and keep getting the same stale candidates that represent nothing we won't.
Not only is that always the case. It is ESPECIALLY the case this year more than any other in spades. The presumptive nominee is both a fucking clown and not actually conservative at all in a traditional small government/big government sense.

People aren't crazy about the presumptive nominees on the left either. THIS is the first year that I think IF they get the Libertarian on the stage at the debates and IF the word gets out enough that he is a legitimate choice, he absolutely can win this particular election, due to the unique circumstances.
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Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
Not only is that always the case. It is ESPECIALLY the case this year more than any other in spades. The presumptive nominee is both a fucking clown and not actually conservative at all in a traditional small government/big government sense.

People aren't crazy about the presumptive nominees on the left either. THIS is the first year that I think IF they get the Libertarian on the stage at the debates and IF the word gets out enough that he is a legitimate choice, he absolutely can win this particular election, due to the unique circumstances.

No chance.  Sorry
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Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 12:20:25 PM
No chance.  Sorry
With that attitude, you're right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2016, 12:26:07 PM
With that attitude, you're right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

For it to work you need somebody strong.  Somebody charismatic.  Somebody compelling. 

This guy is none of those things.   He looks like a Church of God In Christ lay pastor.  And like he'd jump on a small boy's penis. 
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 12:57:56 PM
For it to work you need somebody strong.  Somebody charismatic.  Somebody compelling. 

I don't think we will ever see anyone that can drag votes for the left like you would need for this THEORY to work.

It sounds good, IN THEORY. Just not in real life.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 01:02:42 PM
Idealism led me to vote for Perot two times.

Although it wasn't a costly mistake, IMO, as Slick Willy was better than what will be this time.

Regardless, I won't make the same mistake although it likely won't matter.

I'm not sure some of these young guys remember Perot. I too voted for him. His economics made sense. Just think if we had implemented the .50 tax on gas that went straight to the deficit, where we would be today.(of course it would have been hijacked by now).

And I honestly believe that he would have never left America hanging. EVER.

And you are correct in that we had the greatest republican congress ever to be slick Willy in check.

I could not afford to vote that way today. It's like the chizads of the world act like they are the only ones that ever had the idea of a third party. In ten years they'll realize the futility of it.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: GH2001 on March 01, 2016, 01:31:42 PM

And with thinking like this, we will always be stuck with the two party system of R's and D's that are more worried about being government spenders and holding on to power.

Broad blanket sensationalism is a bad policy man.

One party at its core doesn't believe that. The issue is that many within its boundaries do. Not all of them though.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Token on March 01, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
I talked to a guy today who told me he voted for Trump, and against any female delegate on the ballot.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: CCTAU on March 01, 2016, 02:34:23 PM
I talked to a guy today who told me he voted for Trump, and against any female delegate on the ballot.

Well to be fair, it was probably Trump disguised as the devil that you talked to!
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 02:42:59 PM
Missed this earlier.
I'm extremely left on a few issues. Again, I wonder how accurate the site is in matching my views with candidates. I selected pro-life except in the cases of incest, rape, and health dangers for the mother and/or child. Does that make me a radical Commie Sanders supporter? I don't think the NSA should be spying on allies nor do I think the FBI should be able to force Apple to crack open iPhones. Does that mean I'm a hippy? I don't know. I think there's a place on the site to see how my votes aligned with each candidate. I should check that out.
There is definitely that. On the page where it shows all the candidates and what percentage you match, right under is a section that says "compare answers".

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I didn't. The question was "Do you support Obamacare?" and I put no. Does that put me in the Cruz camp?
Probably. Like I said, it gives you the option for more nuanced answers, and I recommend clicking those to get more accurate comparisons to your actual views. Very rarely did I just put "Yes" or "No" to almost anything.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
I don't think we will ever see anyone that can drag votes for the left like you would need for this THEORY to work.

It sounds good, IN THEORY. Just not in real life.

See: Socialism.
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Post by: AUTiger1 on March 01, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Broad blanket sensationalism is a bad policy man.

One party at its core doesn't believe that. The issue is that many within its boundaries do. Not all of them though.

Who, Amash, Paul and Massie?  I am seriously finding Republicans who are what they claim to be.  Sure they talk a good talk but don't vote like they talk. 

I get what you're saying, and yeah, not all of them do, but the ones that are in the race have proven otherwise.
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Post by: GH2001 on March 01, 2016, 07:09:34 PM
Who, Amash, Paul and Massie?  I am seriously finding Republicans who are what they claim to be.  Sure they talk a good talk but don't vote like they talk. 

I get what you're saying, and yeah, not all of them do, but the ones that are in the race have proven otherwise.

You really need to do some research then. Your guy Johnson is pro amnesty and open borders. And his abortion stance is sketchy at best. His tarriff ideas are those of delusion. I've looked into all of these guys. Their positions. How they vote. Etc etc. Including Johnson. Sure he's decent. But he's a wasted vote. Especially when 90% of his views are shared with Paul and Cruz who did run for the GOP this cycle.

You want amnesty? You want your tax dollars going to federal funding of abortion? Or just partial birth no matter? Cause I don't.

His positions are almost identical to Paul and Cruz except for those two issues. But hey that's the libertarian mantra. All or none. And that's why they'll never go anywhere as a viable party.
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Post by: AUChizad on March 01, 2016, 10:34:52 PM
You really need to do some research then. Your guy Johnson is pro amnesty and open borders. And his abortion stance is sketchy at best. His tarriff ideas are those of delusion. I've looked into all of these guys. Their positions. How they vote. Etc etc. Including Johnson. Sure he's decent. But he's a wasted vote. Especially when 90% of his views are shared with Paul and Cruz who did run for the GOP this cycle.

You want amnesty? You want your tax dollars going to federal funding of abortion? Or just partial birth no matter? Cause I don't.

His positions are almost identical to Paul and Cruz except for those two issues. But hey that's the libertarian mantra. All or none. And that's why they'll never go anywhere as a viable party.
Correction: He does support a simple path to citizenship, but not open borders, as do I.

He is personally against abortion but thinks the government has no right to get involved in that choice, and CERTAINLY doesn't want one tax dollar funding them. Again, I share this view.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Kaos on March 02, 2016, 08:31:09 AM
Correction: He does support a simple path to citizenship, but not open borders, as do I.

He is personally against abortion but thinks the government has no right to get involved in that choice, and CERTAINLY doesn't want one tax dollar funding them. Again, I share this view.

I share a lot of views with the guy I play golf with who is an engineer with AT&T. 

He's got just as much chance of being elected president as I do.  Or Johnson does. 
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 02, 2016, 09:58:38 AM
I voted "none of the above" in the primary but I plan to support Montgomery Brewster in the general.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: jmar on March 02, 2016, 10:23:22 AM
I voted "none of the above" in the primary but I plan to support Montgomery Brewster in the general.
Ain't he a Whig?  Ye damn liberal!
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Post by: AUJarhead on March 02, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
If this comes down to a Clinton vs Trump election, I'm writing in General Mattis.

(http://images1.tickld.com/live/447270.jpg)
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Post by: jmar on March 02, 2016, 10:49:54 AM
If this comes down to a Clinton vs Trump election, I'm writing in General Mattis.

(http://images1.tickld.com/live/447270.jpg)
Mo better military!
Superior firepower for a damn fine future.
I like it.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Buzz Killington on March 02, 2016, 11:24:58 AM
(http://www.isidewith.com/_imgs/candidates/lg/801556206.png) 96%
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: AUTiger1 on March 02, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
You really need to do some research then. Your guy Johnson is pro amnesty and open borders. And his abortion stance is sketchy at best. His tarriff ideas are those of delusion. I've looked into all of these guys. Their positions. How they vote. Etc etc. Including Johnson. Sure he's decent. But he's a wasted vote. Especially when 90% of his views are shared with Paul and Cruz who did run for the GOP this cycle.

You want amnesty? You want your tax dollars going to federal funding of abortion? Or just partial birth no matter? Cause I don't.

His positions are almost identical to Paul and Cruz except for those two issues. But hey that's the libertarian mantra. All or none. And that's why they'll never go anywhere as a viable party.

Which is why I have supported the "Libertarian leaning Republicans" and hate the establishment guys.



I have researched Johnson.  Chad made the corrections below on his stances.  I don't agree 100% with him.  I don't any politician, but considering what is running I like and agree with him the most. 

Correction: He does support a simple path to citizenship, but not open borders, as do I.

He is personally against abortion but thinks the government has no right to get involved in that choice, and CERTAINLY doesn't want one tax dollar funding them. Again, I share this view.

Sure he's decent. But he's a wasted vote.


Call it a wasted vote then, but when we are in the total shitter with Trump or Hillary at least I will have the clean conscious of not voting for either one.

Besides, almost no one in this forums vote matters.  We don't live in a swing state and we don't live in a highly populated urban center in the swing states.  Alabama is going red no matter if I vote for Mickey fucking Mouse or Goofy.  Again, when everyone is bitching about how bad Hillary or Trump is, at least I know I didn't vote for either one of them. 

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Post by: Snaggletiger on March 02, 2016, 02:12:11 PM

Alabama is going red no matter if I vote for Mickey fucking Mouse or Goofy.  Again, when everyone is bitching about how bad Hillary or Trump is, at least I know I didn't vote foe either one of them.


Okay, in the matter of Mickey vs. Minnie Mouse.  It appears by your complaint, Mr. Mouse, that you want a divorce from Minnie Mouse on the grounds that she's crazy?

No your honor.  I said "She's fucking Goofy".
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Token on March 02, 2016, 02:46:21 PM
I voted Rubio yesterday. In November, I'll vote republican.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Pell City Tiger on March 02, 2016, 03:12:38 PM
I voted Rubio yesterday. In November, I'll vote republican.
I did the same with Cruz.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 02, 2016, 04:07:45 PM
I was going to vote Cruz but when I got to the voting booth, two Trump supporters followed me in and bullied me. I had to vote The Donald.  Then they made the lady passing out ballots give me another one...told her not to worry about it in a really stern voice.  They bullied me a second time and I had to mark another one for The Donald. 
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Post by: Snaggletiger on March 02, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
Ben has left the building.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: bottomfeeder on March 02, 2016, 06:16:39 PM
No one bullied me because I would have taken away their walker.
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Post by: Pell City Tiger on March 02, 2016, 07:03:26 PM
No one bullied me because I would have taken away their walker.
I hear ya. The youngest precinct worker I saw at my polling place was about 70.
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Post by: wesfau2 on March 02, 2016, 08:14:38 PM


Besides, almost no one in this forums vote matters.  We don't live in a swing state and we don't live in a highly populated urban center in the swing states.  Alabama is going red no matter if I vote for Mickey fucking Mouse or Goofy.  Again, when everyone is bitching about how bad Hillary or Trump is, at least I know I didn't vote for either one of them.

Fuck you.  My FL vote matters...that's why the rhetoric in this forum scares the bejeezus out of me.

Thankfully most of this discussion is corralled in AL, where everything is R, regardless.
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Post by: Kaos on March 02, 2016, 09:40:46 PM
Fuck you.  My FL vote matters...that's why the rhetoric in this forum scares the bejeezus out of me.

Thankfully most of this discussion is corralled in AL, where everything is R, regardless.

There is no viable option on the democratic side. 

Lunatic socialist and Bernie sanders.  Those are the choices. 

Nobody in their right mind could vote for either.
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Post by: Snaggletiger on March 02, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
Fuck you.  My FL vote matters...that's why the rhetoric in this forum scares the bejeezus out of me.

Thankfully most of this discussion is corralled in AL, where everything is R, regardless.

Got to disagree here.  First off, as AU1 said, the Alabama votes and delegates mean squat.  Second, the few that argue vehemently in the political forum are pretty well divided between Repubs, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents.  Good mix.  Good back and forth.
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Post by: CCTAU on March 02, 2016, 11:11:09 PM
Got to disagree here.  First off, as AU1 said, the Alabama votes and delegates mean squat.  Second, the few that argue vehemently in the political forum are pretty well divided between Repubs, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents.  Good mix.  Good back and forth.

We have dims here? What moron would cop to that?
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Post by: wesfau2 on March 03, 2016, 09:42:49 AM
Got to disagree here.  First off, as AU1 said, the Alabama votes and delegates mean squat.  Second, the few that argue vehemently in the political forum are pretty well divided between Repubs, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents.  Good mix.  Good back and forth.

You misunderstand my post, apparently.  I was agreeing with your second sentence.  All the debate/discussion in the world won't change the fact that AL will vote R regardless of candidate.  Your (AL citizens') votes are meaningless.
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Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 03, 2016, 09:50:19 AM
You misunderstand my post, apparently.  I was agreeing with your second sentence.  All the debate/discussion in the world won't change the fact that AL will vote R regardless of candidate.  Your (AL citizens') votes are meaningless.
Agree. He's an idiot.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: Snaggletiger on March 03, 2016, 09:51:52 AM
You misunderstand my post, apparently.  I was agreeing with your second sentence.  All the debate/discussion in the world won't change the fact that AL will vote R regardless of candidate.  Your (AL citizens') votes are meaningless.

No YOU misunderstand your post. Wait....

No doubt about the way this State will vote every time.  I'm 97% more interested and invested in the local races so I make sure I make it to the polls every time.  I fully realize in the Presidential elections, I'm merely voting so I can feel justified in my right to discuss or just bitch in general.   
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Post by: AUTiger1 on March 03, 2016, 10:00:06 AM
Fuck you.  My FL vote matters...that's why the rhetoric in this forum scares the bejeezus out of me.

Thankfully most of this discussion is corralled in AL, where everything is R, regardless.

You missed where I said almost no one. 
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Post by: dallaswareagle on March 03, 2016, 10:27:27 AM
Fuck you.  My FL vote matters...that's why the rhetoric in this forum scares the bejeezus out of me.

Thankfully most of this discussion is corralled in AL, where everything is R, regardless.


Hopefully it gets done right this time.
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Post by: wesfau2 on March 03, 2016, 11:10:40 AM

Hopefully it gets done right this time.

You love my hanging chad.
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Post by: djsimp on March 03, 2016, 11:12:42 AM
You love my hanging chad.

Your hanging chad hates him.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: wesfau2 on March 03, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
Your hanging chad hates him.

Balance must be achieved.
Title: Re: ISideWIth...
Post by: The Prowler on March 06, 2016, 06:47:43 AM
Bernie Sanders 85%
Jill Stein 84%
Hillary Clinton 77%
Gary Johnson 68%

Rafael Cruz 55%
Marco Rubio 51%
John Kasich 27%
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Post by: jmar on March 06, 2016, 08:04:30 AM
Sanders 85%
Clinton 80%
Vulgarwindbagflipflopper 75%

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Post by: AUChizad on March 11, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article64842377.html

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Keith Larson: Voting to get a good night’s sleep

“So, who are you voting for then, Larson?”

I’ve been asked that many times since recently describing the top five presidential candidates as a lying socialist, another liar, a Republican with about as much experience as Senator Barack Obama, an insider-wolf in outsider-sheep’s clothing, and a circus ringmaster.

Having worn no political jersey for decades and with candidates as described, I’ll not be participating in the primary. Unless there’s been a dramatic change, in November I’ll vote for Gary Johnson, the former two-term Republican governor of New Mexico. He’s running as a Libertarian as he did in 2012 when he received slightly less than one percent of votes cast, including mine.

Johnson will get more this year, maybe much more. But he won’t win, an acknowledgment which leads to the next question I’ll be asked.

“So, how you gonna feel throwing away your vote, Larson?”

I will not be throwing away my vote. I will be following the command of Henry David Thoreau: “Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it.”

For me, this means government that follows strict constitutional limits, ensures free markets, secures borders, and has fair immigration policies. It means a strong military for defense but not endless interventions. It means a balanced budget and term limits on congressmen.

The government that would command my respect would itself first respect that people are endowed to live free – to worship as they want, speak as they want, arm themselves if they want. It would recognize that people are sovereign and adults have the liberty to do things others might not agree with – to marry whom they want, make decisions about their own bodies and what they put in them, and generally live as they want as long as no harm is done to others.

These are also many of Johnson’s stated beliefs. He represents the government that would command my respect more so than any other candidate, so he’ll get my vote. Thoreau knew political change begins when people decide to stand for something, even if at first they’re only part of the slightly less than one percent.

My vote will count because every vote counts, not just those of the victors. It will be cast fearlessly for what I believe in, not reluctantly for the “lesser of two evils.” After all, the government we have today is the result of decades of voting for the lesser of two evils, as Johnson often says.

Our Founders didn’t choose the lesser of two evils. They chose freedom and liberty, for which they fought with no guarantee they’d win. They risked losing, for what they believed. People today go to the polls and vote for less than what they believe, afraid that otherwise their jersey will lose.

I will once again vote my beliefs, and I will sleep well. We are all free to vote as we choose, and sleep as those choices allow.
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Post by: WiregrassTiger on March 11, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
I will sleep well, after I vote for Trump.

TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEWEE!
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Post by: CCTAU on March 11, 2016, 11:10:36 AM
You can quote Ghandi if you want, but you are still throwing your vote toward Hitlary!

But you can sleep well at night knowing you didn't vote for that devil Trump. (although the devil hitlary seems to be OK)!
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Post by: Kaos on March 12, 2016, 10:32:13 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article64842377.html

So Johnson has two votes now.  Only about 64,999,998 to go! 
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Post by: AUChizad on March 25, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/24/gary-johnson-could-pull-support-from-bot
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Libertarian Gary Johnson Could Pull Support From Both Clinton and Trump
The Libertarian Party candidate got double digit support in a new poll, pulling hypothetical voters from both the Trump and Clinton camps.
Elizabeth Nolan Brown|Mar. 24, 2016 3:17 pm

A new national poll from Monmouth University explores how things would shake out in a three-way contest between Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and libertarian hopeful Gary Johnson. While support for Clinton and Trump far outpaces love for the Libertarian Party (LP) candidate, Johnson did wind up polling in the double-digits, with support pulled from both the Trump and Clinton camps.

In a hypothetical two-way race between Clinton and Trump race, 48 percent of poll respondents chose Clinton and 38 percent chose Trump. But enter Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico (as a Republican) and the current frontrunner among LP presidential candidates. With Johnson in the mix, Clinton earned just 42 percent of the hypothetical vote and Trump just 34 percent.

Johnson, meanwhile, was the top choice for 11 percent of those polled. His highest vote share came from Republican-leaning states. 

Neither Clinton nor Trump were rated terribly favorably, with just 30 percent of respondents reporting favorable feelings for Trump and 60 percent viewing him unfavorably. Clinton was viewed a little better overall, with 40 percent rating her favorably and 51 percent rating her unfavorably. Johnson was viewed slightly more unfavorably (15 percent) than favorably (9 percent), but the biggest proportion of respondents said they didn't know enough about him to form an opinion.

"A vigorous third party campaign is a very real possibility this year, but it is not yet clear what the impact could be," said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, in a statement. "Including Johnson’s name in our polling seems to be more of a placeholder for voters who are not particularly thrilled with either major party choice right now."

The poll of 1,008 American adults was conducted March 17-20, 2016.

Now imagine if he was participating in debates or the media gave him 1/100th of the attention they give Trumplary...
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Post by: Kaos on March 25, 2016, 03:52:05 PM
http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/24/gary-johnson-could-pull-support-from-bot
Now imagine if he was participating in debates or the media gave him 1/100th of the attention they give Trumplary...

Or imagine if he got off the donkey and quit tilting at windmills.
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Post by: AUChizad on March 27, 2016, 10:33:59 AM
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/26/libertarian-candidate-gains-in-polls-gary-johnson.cnn
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Post by: Kaos on March 27, 2016, 11:00:13 AM
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/03/26/libertarian-candidate-gains-in-polls-gary-johnson.cnn

Henceforth thy name shall no longer be Chaddeus, it shalt be Thaddeus.

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Post by: AUChizad on March 27, 2016, 04:05:13 PM
Henceforth thy name shall no longer be Chaddeus, it shalt be Thaddeus.

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11% vs. 42% & 34% is not a lost cause. If he gets to 15% he gets on the debate stage. If he does that with two HISTORICALLY unlikable candidates on both sides and destroys them both, I see no reason to believe he can't win the presidency. If a self-avowed Socialist has made it this far, probably to be edged out by someone currently under federal criminal investigation, while the other side runs a fascist blathering idiot reality show star, why is it so hard to believe that a rational, reasonable, likable, successful two term governor candidate can make a realistic run? I'm certain there were people, yourself included, that the current frontrunners were "lost causes" as well.
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Post by: Kaos on March 27, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
11% vs. 42% & 34% is not a lost cause. If he gets to 15% he gets on the debate stage. If he does that with two HISTORICALLY unlikable candidates on both sides and destroys them both, I see no reason to believe he can't win the presidency. If a self-avowed Socialist has made it this far, probably to be edged out by someone currently under federal criminal investigation, while the other side runs a fascist blathering idiot reality show star, why is it so hard to believe that a rational, reasonable, likable, successful two term governor candidate can make a realistic run? I'm certain there were people, yourself included, that the current frontrunners were "lost causes" as well.

It's never gonna happen. 

All this guy is going to do is hand the election to Hellary.  He's not going to pull any black votes.  He's not going to pull any latino votes.  He's not going to pull any gay votes (well, maybe one... ).  He's not going to pull any gimmedat votes.   

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If he continues down this pointless path the only votes he will siphon will be those that would have gone to the anti-Hillbillary candidate. 

He. Cannot. Win. 

He can only guarantee that the dimbulbocrats do. 

He needs to get out. 
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Post by: AUChizad on March 28, 2016, 09:36:41 AM
It's never gonna happen. 

All this guy is going to do is hand the election to Hellary.  He's not going to pull any black votes.  He's not going to pull any latino votes.  He's not going to pull any gay votes (well, maybe one... ).  He's not going to pull any gimmedat votes.   
U don't read gud.

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In a hypothetical two-way race between Clinton and Trump race, 48 percent of poll respondents chose Clinton and 38 percent chose Trump. But enter Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico (as a Republican) and the current frontrunner among LP presidential candidates. With Johnson in the mix, Clinton earned just 42 percent of the hypothetical vote and Trump just 34 percent.

Johnson, meanwhile, was the top choice for 11 percent of those polled. His highest vote share came from Republican-leaning states. 

Without Johnson in the race, Clinton crushes Trump 48 to 38. With Johnson in the race, he pulls 6% from Hillary and 4% Trump. I know "the under educated" are Trump's wheelhouse, but 6 > 4. He's pulling more from Democrats than Republicans. He narrows the gap between the two.

You're wrong.

If there were no third parties on my ballot, I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary, then take a Silkwood shower. Because I'm a reasonable rational person that recognizes Trump for the dangerous clown that he is. There are hundreds of thousands of voters in the exact same position as me. Right-leaning, proponents of liberty who hate both of the current candidates, but would at least prefer to vote for the one who can string coherent sentences together if it came down to that Sophie's choice.

You'd think you'd want Johnson to siphon votes away from people like me.