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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on November 06, 2012, 10:28:45 PM
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I was hoping for a late night of close calls, but it looks like a rather easy win for Obama. Surprising that Florida didn't turn out Romney after the polls predicted him to win.
Turn out definitely wasn't what I thought it would be.
Also, my vote definitely didn't count. Third parties have no chance and we are going to continue to listen to two parties pander to idiots and make extravagant promises.
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really surprised over Florida
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Watching them interview fucking yankees in Times Square, and the problem with this fucking country is too many damn young people with narrow/selfish interests. Too many fucking idiots proud that they voted for the fucking idiot running our country in the ground.
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I was hoping for a late night of close calls, but it looks like a rather easy win for Obama. Surprising that Florida didn't turn out Romney after the polls predicted him to win.
Turn out definitely wasn't what I thought it would be.
Also, my vote definitely didn't count. Third parties have no chance and we are going to continue to listen to two parties pander to idiots and make extravagant promises.
Unless you live in Ohio, Virginia, or Florida, your vote doesn't really count anyway. Alabama is always going to be a red state. It's ridiculous that as long as you lockdown 4-5 states, you are almost guaranteed to be president. All of the other states are going to historically be one way or another. But those 4-5 are the "what have you done to benefit us" states.
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Unless you live in Ohio, Virginia, or Florida, your vote doesn't really count anyway. Alabama is always going to be a red state. It's ridiculous that as long as you lockdown 4-5 states, you are almost guaranteed to be president. All of the other states are going to historically be one way or another. But those 4-5 are the "what have you done to benefit us" states.
It is lame, and really, it's the urban areas of those few states.
Also lame, if democrats ever get Texas or republicans ever get California, no one else's vote really count.
And the lamest - nothing changes. The House is the same. Senate is the Same. Pres is the same. Same ole bullshit from the last four years.
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It is lame, and really, it's the urban areas of those few states.
Also lame, if democrats ever get Texas or republicans ever get California, no one else's vote really count.
And the lamest - nothing changes. The House is the same. Senate is the Same. Pres is the same. Same ole bullshit from the last four years.
I know that it hardly ever happens, but I think Obama doesn't win the popular vote. And really, it should go by popular vote. I know that when the Electoral College was originally conceived, it was to make sure smaller states still had rights. But in today's landscape, I just don't agree with it.
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Fox News just announced that they are calling Ohio in favor of Obama.
Game. Set. Match.
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fuck south florida
fuck ohio
DC is overweighted with 3 electoral votes
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I would bet that the Dow is down by about 300-400 tomorrow.
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And gas prices will be up 10% by the end of the week.
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I know that it hardly ever happens, but I think Obama doesn't win the popular vote. And really, it should go by popular vote. I know that when the Electoral College was originally conceived, it was to make sure smaller states still had rights. But in today's landscape, I just don't agree with it.
I'm sure your opinion is unchanged from 2000. Did today's landscape just change tonight?
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Great, now we've got to put up with this god damn fucking piece of shit for the next four years. We as a nation are royally fucked, think Benghazi was bad, with this muslim cocksucker as imperial potentate, his assholiness Barry The Great will allow more of that kind of shit to occur. Our great grand kids might be able to pay off this debt this scumbag is gonna run up. :moon:
PT Barnum was right, there are suckers born every minute.
Okay I've rambled and bitched enough, I need a couple of joints now , I can't reccomend sex, drugs and rock 'n roll for everybody, but it's worked for me.
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I'm sure your opinion is unchanged from 2000. Did today's landscape just change tonight?
It is unchanged. But just for the record, Gore is batshit crazy. He might have fucked things up more than Obama ever has. The ends justified the means, but it doesn't mean that I necessarily approve of it.
In the modern day and age, I just don't see the need for the electoral college. I'm going to guess that you think that the electoral college is great since it is what is going to put your guy in office?
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It is unchanged. But just for the record, Gore is batshit crazy. He might have fucked things up more than Obama ever has. The ends justified the means, but it doesn't mean that I necessarily approve of it.
In the modern day and age, I just don't see the need for the electoral college. I'm going to guess that you think that the electoral college is great since it is what is going to put your guy in office?
Chad voted for Sean Payton.
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It is unchanged. But just for the record, Gore is batshit crazy. He might have fucked things up more than Obama ever has. The ends justified the means, but it doesn't mean that I necessarily approve of it.
In the modern day and age, I just don't see the need for the electoral college. I'm going to guess that you think that the electoral college is great since it is what is going to put your guy in office?
it did not put my guy in office, or even my second choice.
You're saying the exact same thing Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan and every other extreme liberal was saying in 2000.
And it was stupid then.
If you believe in states' rights, you have to support the electoral college. They both exist on the same principle.
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I don't have an issue with the EC, but I do wish all of the states would split them up like NE and ME. It is ridiculous that a state votes 50 to 49 yet all of the EC votes go one way. Split them up ans let the people represent themselves.
If you look at some of the states, the high population areas negate the rural area votes. And it looks like the south and midwest want to live by a higher code and the liberal yankees and left coast just have more people in a smaller area.
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If you believe in states' rights, you have to support the electoral college. They both exist on the same principle.
Please for be explainin.
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I don't have an issue with the EC, but I do wish all of the states would split them up like NE and ME. It is ridiculous that a state votes 50 to 49 yet all of the EC votes go one way. Split them up ans let the people represent themselves.
If you look at some of the states, the high population areas negate the rural area votes. And it looks like the south and midwest want to live by a higher code and the liberal yankees and left coast just have more people in a smaller area.
I think that this would be the best compromise between both sides of the argument.
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Roy Fucking Moore won... I give up. This state is fucking retarded and beyond repair. Everything others say bad about the state of Alabama was proven correct tonight.
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Well, atleast we don't have someone with the Launch Codes that believes God lives on planet Kolob.
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it did not put my guy in office, or even my second choice.
You're saying the exact same thing Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan and every other extreme liberal was saying in 2000.
And it was stupid then.
If you believe in states' rights, you have to support the electoral college. They both exist on the same principle.
I believe in keeping the electoral college but not a winner takes all format. It should be weighted like Neb and Maine do.
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Well, atleast we don't have someone with the Launch Codes that believes God lives on planet Kolob.
You're a fuckin dumbass.....but god forbid anyone question obama in that manner. But Mitt, he's a Mormon. We can't be having that.
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I guess it's time to pay my fair share. It's only right.
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I guess it's time to pay my fair share. It's only right.
Somebody has to pay for my new Obamaphone.
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Please for be explainin.
The interests of the few, densely populated states should not outweigh the interests of the many, sparsely populated ones. They should be weighted as fairly and equally as possible. The electoral college does that, and does it well in my opinion. It exists to protect the rights of smaller states.
I didn't hear a single Republican bitch about it in 2000, nor a single Democrat endorse it, and yet today everyone it seems has completely flipped their position on it. That kind of hyper-partisan hypocrisy is what drives me insane. Now the opposite side of that same coin, I'd like to see Republicans throw the "this president wasn't even elected" line back at the Democrats that used the shit out of that line from 2000-2004.
Also, I agree with what others said about weighting it like NE & ME. I do believe that would be an improvement on a more fair system. However, it would have to be implemented state-by-state. Who's gonna budge on that first? California or Alabama?
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Somebody has to pay for my new Obamaphone.
Thought I worked until 330am last night to pay for it? You want two phones? You greedy bastard.
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The interests of the few, densely populated states should not outweigh the interests of the many, sparsely populated ones. They should be weighted as fairly and equally as possible. The electoral college does that, and does it well in my opinion. It exists to protect the rights of smaller states.
I didn't hear a single Republican bitch about it in 2000, nor a single Democrat endorse it, and yet today everyone it seems has completely flipped their position on it. That kind of hyper-partisan hypocrisy is what drives me insane. Now the opposite side of that same coin, I'd like to see Republicans throw the "this president wasn't even elected" line back at the Democrats that used the shit out of that line from 2000-2004.
Also, I agree with what others said about weighting it like NE & ME. I do believe that would be an improvement on a more fair system. However, it would have to be implemented state-by-state. Who's gonna budge on that first? California or Alabama?
Actually if you can dig up some of my old posts form 2000, you will se that I still was an advocate for a weighted system. It might not have made a difference, but who knows. If you look at a lot of the blue states, the blue only exists in the most densely populated areas. The other "rural" folks get screwed.
This is looking a lot like the lines right before the civil war. Southern and midwest values being trampled by the sardine packed north (and now left coast)!
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The interests of the few, densely populated states should not outweigh the interests of the many, sparsely populated ones.
The problem with the current electoral college is that it isn't protecting anyone from smaller, densely populated urban areas.
Just look at Pennsylvania. Carville joked that in between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, PA is exactly like Mississippi and Alabama. But since middle PA doesn't have people living on top of each other, their political desires aren't recognized.
Popular vote won't fix it but weighting the EC will.
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Also, I agree with what others said about weighting it like NE & ME. I do believe that would be an improvement on a more fair system. However, it would have to be implemented state-by-state. Who's gonna budge on that first? California or Alabama?
I think this is probably the best solution as well.
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The problem with the current electoral college is that it isn't protecting anyone from smaller, densely populated urban areas.
Just look at Pennsylvania. Carville joked that in between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, PA is exactly like Mississippi and Alabama. But since middle PA doesn't have people living on top of each other, their political desires aren't recognized.
Popular vote won't fix it but weighting the EC will.
I agree. By the same token, Atlanta will go blue every time. Places like Birmingham, New Orleans, Memphis, Nashville, Little Rock have chances to as well.
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Don't go on Facebook.
I went on this morning and want to de-friend a lot of folks.....fuckin idiots.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Roy Fucking Moore won... I give up. This state is fucking retarded and beyond repair. Everything others say bad about the state of Alabama was proven correct tonight.
Move.
Now and quickly.
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Move.
Now and quickly.
Between him and the democrat, you had a choice between a bible thumper and a big govt liberal. Lose lose either way.
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I am having a very difficult time today (and the past few days) keeping any kind of objectivity about politics; I believe in the great experiment of America but I've lost all trust and belief in the collective wisdom of the ballot of the retarded electorate of this country. I wish that I could have the graciousness of Mitt Romney last night but my thoughts are nothing but utter disgust, resignation, extreme disappointment, defiance, scorn, and contempt.
I have become John Galt to the greatest extent that I can make that possible.
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#winning
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I would bet that the Dow is down by about 300-400 tomorrow.
You are like a regular nostradumbass
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This country is full of crybaby entitlist. I, for one, hate the liberal ideologies who promote such a lifestyle. I cannot understand how that asshole got 4 more years. Did folks just not like Romney?
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This country is full of crybaby entitlist. I, for one, hate the liberal ideologies who promote such a lifestyle. I cannot understand how that asshole got 4 more years. Did folks just not like Romney?
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Well, given the choice of the austere, 'grown-up' reality of a Romney presidency (that probably would have eventually led to an economically stronger America) or the soaring, vacuous rhetoric and "I will give you free stuff" mentality of The Pharaoh which would you choose (assuming that you had the intelligence and reason of a turnip like most of the electorate)?
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Well, I chose wisely by voting for R&R. "There is a bottom to the barrel", said none of the candidates. How long do the welfare children think we are going to fund their lifestyle? I guess the best thing to do is leave the country and tell them why I'm leaving. Not that it would do any good, but at least I wouldn't be funding their lifestyle.
:facepalm:
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I have become John Galt to the greatest extent that I can make that possible.
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http://bejohngalt.com/
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http://bejohngalt.com/
The "Requiem" entry on that site expresses exactly what I think today.
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The "Requiem" entry on that site expresses exactly what I think today.
There aren't enough emoticons in the world to express my agreement with a lot of that post.
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I'm sick to my stomach.
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This country is full of crybaby entitlist. I, for one, hate the liberal ideologies who promote such a lifestyle. I cannot understand how that asshole got 4 more years. Did folks just not like Romney?
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When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul.
Paul's guy won last night.
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Paul?
Didn't his name used to be Barry?
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I know that it hardly ever happens, but I think Obama doesn't win the popular vote. And really, it should go by popular vote. I know that when the Electoral College was originally conceived, it was to make sure smaller states still had rights. But in today's landscape, I just don't agree with it.
Obama won the popular vote too, by the way.
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Obama won the popular vote too, by the way.
Well. We really won't know till FL has finished.......
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Well. We really won't know till FL has finished.......
They're counting 200,000 ballots in Florida. Obama leads the popular vote by 2.8 million. I don't think Florida's going to change anything.
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What about the fraudulent votes in VA, NC and OH?
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I know I'll regret this...but...
Well, given the choice of the austere, 'grown-up' reality of a Romney presidency (that probably would have eventually led to an economically stronger America)
What, exactly, did Romney espouse or express, policy-wise, that was austere or "grown-up"? All I ever heard was "He said/did this...I won't/will...".
or the soaring, vacuous rhetoric and "I will give you free stuff" mentality of The Pharaoh
Again, what/when was this expressed?
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I know I'll regret this...but...
What, exactly, did Romney espouse or express, policy-wise, that was austere or "grown-up"? All I ever heard was "He said/did this...I won't/will...".
Again, what/when was this expressed?
That's the problem he didn't and the One had a track record of freebies to run on. We lost and the welfare/warfare state won.
Boeing laying off along with Lockheed-Martin and Northrup Grumman, other companies. Now, Boehner is turning his coat inside out. I'm telling you guys, Ron Paul was our last chance to save what was left of our Republic and restore it.
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Now that's a man that has seen a lot of vaginas.
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Now that's a man that has seen a lot of vaginas.
I would say I'm jealous, but not all vaginas are pretty. However, we all saw a vagina win the presidential election last night.
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I know I'll regret this...but...
What, exactly, did Romney espouse or express, policy-wise, that was austere or "grown-up"? All I ever heard was "He said/did this...I won't/will...".
Again, what/when was this expressed?
You voted for Obama didn't you?
I can provide you with a copy of the Romney Plan for Economic Growth if you like to answer your first question.
As to your second, that's all I heard from The ONE and his worshipful minions. Maybe my ears are stopped up or selective.
I'm going to Las Vegas to lick my wounds for a few days...and it will probably be the last time I spend any of my hard-earned money in a gorram blue state.
You all enjoy what you have wrought. I'm working on an exit strategy.
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I know I'll regret this...but...
What, exactly, did Romney espouse or express, policy-wise, that was austere or "grown-up"? All I ever heard was "He said/did this...I won't/will...".
Again, what/when was this expressed?
Wes, that's pretty much what Obama did in 2008 and this year. As Romney even said in the debates, "attacking me is not a policy". Neither is hope and change. Or forward.
Romney laid out a plan. High level yes since one needs to go through congress first when nailing down specific details, but it was a plan. He's also done it before as governor and business owner. He knows how this stuff ticks. What enterprise or economy had Obama ever presided over before 2009?
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Death by suicide.
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Ron Paul 2012!
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Romney laid out a plan.
No, he did not. If he did at some point, he failed to mention it ever again.
You voted for Obama didn't you?
I did.
I can provide you with a copy of the Romney Plan for Economic Growth if you like to answer your first question.
It's moot now. Perhaps Romney should have been more emphatic about his "plan."
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I did.
Just curious - Why?
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Just curious - Why?
Wes will hate me for saying these but I would guess most likely on social issues. Living close to such "backwards states". And I am giving Wes credit here by guessing this because no one with half a brain would have voted for this guy based off HIS economic policies. They don't work and won't work.
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Wes will hate me for saying these but I would guess most likely on social issues. Living close to such "backwards states". And I am giving Wes credit here by guessing this because no one with half a brain would have voted for this guy based off HIS economic policies. They don't work and won't work.
The takers out voted the makers.
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Wes will hate me for saying these but I would guess most likely on social issues. Living close to such "backwards states". And I am giving Wes credit here by guessing this because no one with half a brain would have voted for this guy based off HIS economic policies. They don't work and won't work.
Largely social issues, yes. Unless and until the Republican party abandons the fight against gay rights and abortion (read: govt intrusion into my private life) they won't get my vote.
In addition, the economy is recovering. I'm much better off than I was 4 years ago. My local economy is rebounding nicely. I saw no need to rock the boat of recovery for the sake of change...especially when the economic change was so vaguely presented by Romney.
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Question Counselor? How often does the SCOTUS go back and reverse a decision from a previous SCOTUS? Also, why do we have politicians make statements that they "will overturn Roe v Wade" when the only way it is possible is to appoint judges to make it happen, but those judges would never make it pass the senate vote? On top of that, how often is it that the POTUS gets to appoint more than one or two judges that will give them the majority of the bench? Please put this issue to bed.
IMO, the standard response for gay marriage should be "It's not a federal issue, leave it to the states to decide, next question please" and move on from it.
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In addition, the economy is recovering. I'm much better off than I was 4 years ago. My local economy is rebounding nicely. I saw no need to rock the boat of recovery for the sake of change...especially when the economic change was so vaguely presented by Romney.
I feel like this is rather myopic. 16 trillion dollars in debt. Unless you think Romney was going to add or maintain that number, you have to be worried about the potential crisis we're staring at down the road.
Not to mention, public healthcare will result in lower quality healthcare for the middle class. Are you a supporter of the Affordable Care Act? If so, I'm really interested in why.
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I feel like this is rather myopic. 16 trillion dollars in debt. Unless you think Romney was going to add or maintain that number, you have to be worried about the potential crisis we're staring at down the road.
Not to mention, public healthcare will result in lower quality healthcare for the middle class. Are you a supporter of the Affordable Care Act? If so, I'm really interested in why.
It's the position of many of the younger generation. I gots mines!
It's hard to see the big picture when you only look at a small area. We are not a nation of deep thinkers any longer. The old Nike slogan, just do it, sums up our country now. Or is it now YOLO?
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It's the position of many of the younger generation. I gots mines!
It's hard to see the big picture when you only look at a small area. We are not a nation of deep thinkers any longer. The old Nike slogan, just do it, sums up our country now. Or is it now YOLO?
WHYDFML, the new slogan
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way...
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Except this time it is a tale of two countries, within one!
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Question Counselor? How often does the SCOTUS go back and reverse a decision from a previous SCOTUS? Also, why do we have politicians make statements that they "will overturn Roe v Wade" when the only way it is possible is to appoint judges to make it happen, but those judges would never make it pass the senate vote? On top of that, how often is it that the POTUS gets to appoint more than one or two judges that will give them the majority of the bench? Please put this issue to bed.
It's not the substance of the issue, really, but the complete divorcing of "conservative" values from the Republican party to win votes from the religious right that makes this an issue for me. Intervening in another's medical decision based on one's own perceived superior morality is repugnant to me.
IMO, the standard response for gay marriage should be "It's not a federal issue, leave it to the states to decide, next question please" and move on from it.
Agreed...too bad that's not how it goes.
I feel like this is rather myopic. 16 trillion dollars in debt. Unless you think Romney was going to add or maintain that number, you have to be worried about the potential crisis we're staring at down the road.
Not to mention, public healthcare will result in lower quality healthcare for the middle class. Are you a supporter of the Affordable Care Act? If so, I'm really interested in why.
Myopic? Sure: all politics are local.
I think the ACA is a step in the right direction. I think that there must be reform on the insurance side of the equation, since that is the biggest obstacle to an efficient healthcare marketplace.
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I think the ACA is a step in the right direction. I think that there must be reform on the insurance side of the equation, since that is the biggest obstacle to an efficient healthcare marketplace.
Fair enough. At least you're honest and I respect that.
But I have to think what's holding back an effiecient medical environment in this country is the cost of medical care. Many drs charge what they do to cover malpractice insurance which has skyrocketed the last couple of decades. Fixing this would require tort reform which ain't gonna happen when most of congress is of the legal trade - GOP and demos. You bring the cost of medical care down to affordable levels and insurance isn't even much of a factor at that point.
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It's not the substance of the issue, really, but the complete divorcing of "conservative" values from the Republican party to win votes from the religious right that makes this an issue for me. Intervening in another's medical decision based on one's own perceived superior morality is repugnant to me.
Agreed...too bad that's not how it goes.
Myopic? Sure: all politics are local.
I think the ACA is a step in the right direction. I think that there must be reform on the insurance side of the equation, since that is the biggest obstacle to an efficient healthcare marketplace.
In agreement with you. When I posted "Please put this issue to bed" that was meant for the Republican Party and not you. I find it hypocritical to champion small gov't and less gov't in people lives, but then be the frontrunners to champion gov't involvement in your personal choices. Then again I find hypocrisy on both sides of the isle and in all levels of gov't.
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Fair enough. At least you're honest and I respect that.
But I have to think what's holding back an effiecient medical environment in this country is the cost of medical care. Many drs charge what they do to cover malpractice insurance which has skyrocketed the last couple of decades. Fixing this would require tort reform which ain't gonna happen when most of congress is of the legal trade - GOP and demos. You bring the cost of medical care down to affordable levels and insurance isn't even much of a factor at that point.
It's not the cost of malpractice insurance that's the driver, it's unnecessary work performed ("defensive medicine") as a CYA move. You'll obviously not get me to assign more blame to lawyers/litigation (though there is some to be apportioned there) than to the insurers.
I maintain that the obstacle to efficient healthcare is the insurance industry.
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It's not the cost of malpractice insurance that's the driver, it's unnecessary work performed ("defensive medicine") as a CYA move. You'll obviously not get me to assign more blame to lawyers/litigation (though there is some to be apportioned there) than to the insurers.
I maintain that the obstacle to efficient healthcare is the insurance industry.
I guess the main point is to get medical costs low enough to the point where med insurance is a non factor on routine things. To the point where medical insurance is for rather major things. Make sense? If we could take medical insurance out of the equation as much as possible we wouldn't even have to worry about everyone having med ins as we know it today. It would be more major medical or catastrophe insurance.
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I guess the main point is to get medical costs low enough to the point where med insurance is a non factor on routine things. To the point where medical insurance is for rather major things. Make sense? If we could take medical insurance out of the equation as much as possible we wouldn't even have to worry about everyone having med ins as we know it today. It would be more major medical or catastrophe insurance.
Agreed.
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The takers out voted the makers.
The Undertaker did what to the Boilermakers?
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Agreed.
Sad when a few message board posters can have a more constructive dialogue in an effort to solve issues, than the people we pay and elect to do that.
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I actually find it humorous that this has been the election with the LEAST amount of social issues being discussed by the right, yet there are people out there who voted for "social" reasons.
The other elephant in the room wants some attention too.