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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Ogre on February 24, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
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Posted 8 minutes ago on his Facebook status:
Tyrik Rollison IS MOVING ON FROM AUBURN...I APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO IS SUPPORTING ME.
Stay tuned.
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I'll be the first to admit...I guess I was wrong...
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TitanicdouchebagTiger actually posted a comment:
C'mon...just a few weeks ago you were blasting people for telling you to transfer. What's going on?
Yeah Titan, he owes you an explanation. Fucking douche.
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Well hate it didn't work out for him. Good luck to the young man though.
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Well hate it didn't work out for him. Good luck to the young man though.
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Oh well.
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That really sucks but I think he saw the writing on the wall. Not to mention, Auburn has like 3 QB's on their board for the 2011 recruiting class.
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Got to make room for all those 5 stars. :poke:
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Got to make room for all those 5 stars. :poke:
I don't get it.
Cameron Newton is in fact a 5*.
There are 5* QBs on our 2011 prospect list.
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He has now deleted his post. Who knows what the fuck is going on.
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I am pretty sure the kid is suffering from a case of pre-Madonna. He has done shit like this before.
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Word on the...um, sources say...um, I hear that it is real this time.
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Im just wondering if this is just a knee-jerk reaction from something that TR got pissed off about. If this is something that will be an ongoing event, then this would not be good for a team environment. Who knows. I do know every since he has been on campus, its been this on again off again crap. After a while that poop gets old regardless of athletic ability. I will say however, if this is a legitimate issue that Rollison is having difficulties and can't seem to overcome it at Auburn and he does transfer, I wish him the best. I would rather see him stick it out and stay at Auburn, if of course this is not some "pre-Madonna" poop.
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I heard the story here:
www.tigersx.com (http://www.tigersx.com)
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I don't get it.
Cameron Newton is in fact a 5*.
There are 5* QBs on our 2011 prospect list.
You are quick.
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I heard the story here:
www.tigersx.com (http://www.tigersx.com)
That's solid poop right there.
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That's solid poop right there.
So now we're quoting some two-bit websites? Geez.
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That's solid poop right there.
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Supposedly going to Sam Houston State, at least according to his father
http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/auburns_tyrik_rollison_transfe.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/auburns_tyrik_rollison_transfe.html)
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Supposedly going to Sam Houston State, at least according to his father
http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/auburns_tyrik_rollison_transfe.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/02/auburns_tyrik_rollison_transfe.html)
Home of Sparky.
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I wonder when Kaos will chime in with his proverbial, "I told you so" routine...
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I wonder when Kaos will chime in with his proverbial, "I told you so" routine...
3,2,1....
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I wonder when Kaos will chime in with his proverbial, "I told you so" routine...
or prowler's "da skreets"...
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or prowler's "da skreets"...
Tyrik called Prowler last night to let him know.
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I wonder when Kaos will chime in with his proverbial, "I told you so" routine...
Well, he kinda did.....
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Well, he kinda did.....
Your trying to get all psychological on us GH. We can't have none of that.
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You guys better pray to everything holy that Cam Newton is every bit and more worth the hype.
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You guys better pray to everything holy that Cam Newton is every bit and more worth the hype.
Why? We have more than enough talent at QB to keep us going. Hell we got two or three McLeroys on our team already.
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Well, he kinda did.....
He bet on Green 00 and won.
Congrats for that, I guess.
This was before any of the discipline issues arose, or Cam Newton had arrived.
He himself said he based this "gut feeling" on nothing whatsoever. He used it as a reason to bitch about us not signing a stellar quarterback (before Cam came along).
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You guys better pray to everything holy that Cam Newton is every bit and more worth the hype.
Fuck you.
Signed,
Barrett Trotter
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Fuck you.
Signed,
Barrett Trotter
Fuck both of you.
Signed,
Clint Moseley
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You guys better pray to everything holy that Cam Newton is every bit and more worth the hype.
Yeah, because only a Heisman candidate could fill Chris Todd's shoes.
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Yeah, because only a Heisman candidate could fill Chris Todd's shoes.
You my friend are a genius.
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Yeah, because only a Heisman candidate could fill Chris Todd's shoes.
The Heisman Trophy could fill Chris Todd's shoes. It would certainly be equally mobile when flushed from the pocket.
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The Heisman Trophy could fill Chris Todd's shoes. It would certainly be equally mobile when flushed from the pocket.
THIS
Well said TW
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THIS
Well said TW
Come on guys, give the man some love. Was he the most athletic QB we have ever had? No. But if he had not been there, oh what pains that first year would have been. He set several records. So maybe we can assume a QB with more athleticism can even best that. But I do shudder to think what might have been. Also having a QB that did not carry the team allowed for the growth of other positions which will definitely help us this season. Yeah, he was slow, but he did pull us through what could have been a tough season.
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Come on guys, give the man some love. Was he the most athletic QB we have ever had? No. But if he had not been there, oh what pains that first year would have been. He set several records. So maybe we can assume a QB with more athleticism can even best that. But I do shudder to think what might have been. Also having a QB that did not carry the team allowed for the growth of other positions which will definitely help us this season. Yeah, he was slow, but he did pull us through what could have been a tough season.
Kodi Burns is much more athletic and mobile than Todd. You can be built like a brick shithouse and run a 4.2 40, and it doesn't automatically translate to success. You have to have what it takes upstairs too.
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Come on guys, give the man some love. Was he the most athletic QB we have ever had? No. But if he had not been there, oh what pains that first year would have been. He set several records. So maybe we can assume a QB with more athleticism can even best that. But I do shudder to think what might have been. Also having a QB that did not carry the team allowed for the growth of other positions which will definitely help us this season. Yeah, he was slow, but he did pull us through what could have been a tough season.
People appreciate Brandon Cox way more after he left. Everybody was saying that anybody could replace Brandon Cox and they were glad he graduated.
I have a scary feeling that people will appreciate Chris Todd more after this upcoming season too.
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Come on guys, give the man some love. Was he the most athletic QB we have ever had? No. But if he had not been there, oh what pains that first year would have been. He set several records. So maybe we can assume a QB with more athleticism can even best that. But I do shudder to think what might have been. Also having a QB that did not carry the team allowed for the growth of other positions which will definitely help us this season. Yeah, he was slow, but he did pull us through what could have been a tough season.
I wasn't intending to insult Todd, not at all. But the reality is that he was merely adequate at best. He even had three games where he turned into 2008 Chris Todd, which was not remotely adequate. All in all, he did some good things last year, helped us win some games, and I was mostly pleasantly surprised with him.
But in the end, he simply wasn't anything special. He just wasn't. And to say someone wasn't "special" isn't the same as saying they sucked or that they weren't good. So the point to my comment was that if we have anyone on the roster can manage to be "adequate", then we shouldn't need to "pray to all that is Holy" as if we could go 2-10 if someone isn't as good as the elite Chris Todd.
In fact, if someone is as good as him from a talent standpoint and is also pretty consistent, we'll improve at that position. Inconsistency was his biggest flaw to me...even more so than his back-foot, shot-put passes that crept in from time to time.
We are not replacing Vince Young or Sam Bradford or Tim Tebow. RWS' post was just a little dramatic to me, considering everything I just wrote. Not to mention the fact that we actually had no idea what Rollison was bringing to the table anyway, so how can we know what we lost?
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We are not replacing Vince Young or Sam Bradford or Tim Tebow. RWS' post was just a little dramatic to me, considering everything I just wrote. Not to mention the fact that we actually had no idea what Rollison was bringing to the table anyway, so how can we know what we lost?
Yeah and we were only replacing Brandon Cox in 2008. Yet we went from 8-4 to 5-7
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I have a scary feeling that people will appreciate Chris Todd more after this upcoming season too.
You bite your tongue. I can't handle thoughts like this in February.
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We are not replacing Vince Young or Sam Bradford or Tim Tebow. RWS' post was just a little dramatic to me, considering everything I just wrote. Not to mention the fact that we actually had no idea what Rollison was bringing to the table anyway, so how can we know what we lost?
Nobody even knows what Newton is bringing to the table. That was kind of my point. If Newton is the starter in the first place, that tells you that AU is possibly in bad shape at QB behind him. Every QB on the roster has more time in the system than Newton. Now, if Newton is named starter then subsequently flops? Then you know for a fact AU is fucked at QB, or the coaches just can't evaluate what they have.
Its not just as easy as "Well, let's see.....Todd wasn't that great, so with Newton being the #1 JUCO QB, that should put him about the same level as Todd." For that matter, Rollison was the #2 dual-threat QB out of high school. He wasn't even the backup QB last season. I understand that AU isn't replacing a Vince Young or a Tim Tebow, but consider the guys that were behind Todd last season and realize they aren't Vince Youngs or Tim Tebows either, and they were behind Todd.
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Yeah and we were only replacing Brandon Cox in 2008. Yet we went from 8-4 to 5-7
That's apples and marshmallows though. A lot changed from 2007 to 2008 (Franklin, receivers, etc) besides just losing Brandon Cox. And in 08, we didn't just go to Todd. We went to an injured, noodle-armed Todd.
Nobody even knows what Newton is bringing to the table. That was kind of my point. If Newton is the starter in the first place, that tells you that AU is possibly in bad shape at QB behind him. Every QB on the roster has more time in the system than Newton. Now, if Newton is named starter then subsequently flops? Then you know for a fact AU is phuked at QB, or the coaches just can't evaluate what they have.
Its not just as easy as "Well, let's see.....Todd wasn't that great, so with Newton being the #1 JUCO QB, that should put him about the same level as Todd." For that matter, Rollison was the #2 dual-threat QB out of high school. He wasn't even the backup QB last season. I understand that AU isn't replacing a Vince Young or a Tim Tebow, but consider the guys that were behind Todd last season and realize they aren't Vince Youngs or Tim Tebows either, and they were behind Todd.
All of this is true. We don't know. But we just lost the guy that was 3rd string last year. And had Trotter not been injured, he may not have even been 3rd string, who knows.
I guess I'm talking about to what extent I'm worried about it. I just think the odds are that we have someone (Newton, Trotter, Mosley, or even a year older Caudle) that can be as adequate as Todd was. I don't think that's a stretch to expect that out of those four guys, someone can be Todd's equal.
Again, he wasn't special...I'm not expecting one of these guys to be special. If Newton is, then great, but I'm not expecting it. I am expecting Malzahn to be able to get one of them to do what he needs them to do (bare minimum) to be successful in this offense, just like he did with Paul Smith in 2007, David Johnson in 2008, and the previously left-for-dead Chris Todd in 2009.
He was able to get three different guys in three seasons to run his offense adequately (two of them in their first year in the offense, one of which didn't even get to go through spring and summer workouts in the offense). I just expect that he will do the same with one of our four guys for 2010. Will they break school records? Will they be a huge improvement? Who knows.
I'm not saying I'm 100% confident, but I'm confident enough that I don't feel like I have to go buy a rabbits foot, cover it in four leaf clovers with my fingers crossed with one hand, and eat a bowl of lucky charms with the other hand. I just think your "pray to all that is Holy" was overly dramatic. I know you don't think we're replacing Vince Young, I just think you're acting like we are....and top of that, you're acting like Colt McCoy, the heir apparent, just transferred.
If we're screwed at QB now, then we were already screwed at QB. Rollison leaving I don't think changed that one way or another.
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Nobody even knows what Newton is bringing to the table. That was kind of my point. If Newton is the starter in the first place, that tells you that AU is possibly in bad shape at QB behind him. Every QB on the roster has more time in the system than Newton. Now, if Newton is named starter then subsequently flops? Then you know for a fact AU is fucked at QB, or the coaches just can't evaluate what they have.
Its not just as easy as "Well, let's see.....Todd wasn't that great, so with Newton being the #1 JUCO QB, that should put him about the same level as Todd." For that matter, Rollison was the #2 dual-threat QB out of high school. He wasn't even the backup QB last season. I understand that AU isn't replacing a Vince Young or a Tim Tebow, but consider the guys that were behind Todd last season and realize they aren't Vince Youngs or Tim Tebows either, and they were behind Todd.
That's not true. I guess it's your opinion, but it's not a fact that if Newton becomes the starter, that the others are flops.
Why:
1. Cameron Newton. He's the "favorite" because of hype maybe, but there are a few facts.
a. He's a big mother fucker. 6-6 245lbs.
b. Supposedly he has an arm. I've seen some video that would seem to back this up.
c. He's an experienced leader on a NC winning team in Junior College.
d. He'll truck defenseless DB's when necessary. I've seen THAT video also. Have you?
e. He didn't leave Florida because he sucked and couldn't hang.
2. Kodi Burns.
a. He's a wide receiver again. Done.
3. Neil Caudle.
a. Really likes Auburn.
b. "a." was a joke.
c. He didn't suck it up when he played this past year. Was a serviceable back up to Todd.
d. He's the only returning QB that truly had a shot in the rotation last season going into this spring.
4. Clint Mosely.
a. He was a true Freshman last season, and nobody really thought that he would challenge for the position.
Thus, it was no surprise when he didn't.
b. This is his second QB race, and he'll be doing it as a redshirt freshman with only scout team experience.
5. Tyrik Rollison.
a. Poof. Gone.
6. Barrett Trotter.
a. Almost had his redshirt lifted to play 3 games, or less in 2008.
b. Was hurt in the spring, before A-Day in 2009. Didn't see the field in 2009.
c. By all accounts, a great talent.
d. This is his first chance post injury, and only second chance to play, or try to earn a spot going into spring.
Bottom line, RWS, is that this is a basically new QB battle going into 2010. It's not the same cast as you suggested. It's a new set of circumstances entirely.
To suggest that AU would be "fucked" if Newton is the starter over the others, would be premature, and ignorant. It probably just means that Newton, is as advertised, and we have serviceable back-ups in Trotter, and a veteran in Caudle.
I'd then also remind you about Mosely and the talent being recruited to Auburn over the next few years. Auburn is nowhere close to "fucked", sir.
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1. Cameron Newton. He's the "favorite" because of hype maybe, but there are a few facts.
a. He's a big mother fucker. 6-6 245lbs.
b. Supposedly he has an arm. I've seen some video that would seem to back this up.
c. He's an experienced leader on a NC winning team in Junior College.
d. He'll truck defenseless DB's when necessary. I've seen THAT video also. Have you?
e. He didn't leave Florida because he sucked and couldn't hang.
f. He's got the most awesome last name in the world.
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f. He's got the most awesome last name in the world.
"From da Skreetz"
e. Newton has 2 arms.
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"From da Skreetz"
e. G. Newton has 2 3 arms.
Fixed that for ya.
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Fixed that for ya.
I bench a 4.4
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I think at least one more QB either quits football or transfers before the season starts. Good luck to young Rollison, hope he finds himself at SHS.
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I think at least one more QB either quits football or transfers before the season starts. Good luck to young Rollison, hope he finds himself at SHS.
Trotter would be the one if anyone I say. Mosley is young and would be in line to take over as a Junior (in his mind). Caudle is a senior and seems to be content to stay put. Newton obviously isn't leaving. I think if Trotter sees himself sitting behind Newton the next two years, he may leave...who knows.
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Well said ja. The percentages are just there considering the numbers and from QB heavy teams at AU in the past. We certainly don't want anyone to leave but some of these guys want to get the most out of themselves while they have the opportunity.
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Instincts. Have them.
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Instincts. Have them.
Unless you knew the dude was a dumb ass or liked to smoke dope...you got lucky. You can't take some wild ass stab in the dark and call it instincts...
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Unless you knew the dude was a dumb ass or liked to smoke dope...you got lucky. You can't take some wild ass stab in the dark and call it instincts...
Luck - It sounds familiar. Like Ive seen it on here before. Can't really put a finger on it, but recruiting comes to mind.
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Luck - It sounds familiar. Like Ive seen it on here before. Can't really put a finger on it, but recruiting comes to mind.
Not sure what you are implying...
I don't think recruiting is "luck"...
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Unless you knew the dude was a dumb ass or liked to smoke dope...you got lucky. You can't take some wild ass stab in the dark and call it instincts...
Luck is not 99% accurate.
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Luck is not 99% accurate.
haha...99% accurate instincts...
You pegged this. I'll give it to you. I was the first to admit I was wrong. I still think he has a ton of talent. I was basing my "instinct" by watching film, and looking at his stats in HS ball, etc.
You nailed a shot in the dark.
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haha...99% accurate instincts...
You pegged this. I'll give it to you. I was the first to admit I was wrong. I still think he has a ton of talent. I was basing my "instinct" by watching film, and looking at his stats in HS ball, etc.
You nailed a shot in the dark.
I nail many, many so-called shots in the dark. Far too many for it to be "luck."
My instincts are good.
Newton I am not reading right now. My initial reaction is that he will struggle far more than many here anticipate and will be closer to Jordan Jefferson than anybody would like next year. But I'm waiting to make that determination.
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Cam Newton is no Chris Todd, whatever will we do?
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Luck is not 99% accurate.
I've been reading your posts for maybe 14 months or so now. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,500 of them on the two sites I've known you. I agree with a lot of your positions, or at least the logic to them, and disagreed with some too.
My instincts tell me your claim of 99% has a 99% chance of being an exaggeration. :pot:
On another note....what do you think about losing him? Big deal? Or no big deal?
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I nail many, many so-called shots in the dark. Far too many for it to be "luck."
My instincts are good.
Newton I am not reading right now. My initial reaction is that he will struggle far more than many here anticipate and will be closer to Jordan Jefferson than anybody would like next year. But I'm waiting to make that determination.
your instincts....LMAO. Your "instincts" were based off of, well, nothing. You stated that you'd never seen him in person, nor watched any highlights of him, but you felt that he would never be a good QB. Also, your "instincts", are still up in the air. Just because he's not going to be Auburn's QB, doesn't mean that he isn't good. Just because he wanted to be closer to home, doesn't mean that he isn't good.
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On another note....what do you think about losing him? Big deal? Or no big deal?
You guys are loaded at QB.
Right, Chopper?
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your instincts....LMAO. Your "instincts" were based off of, well, nothing. You stated that you'd never seen him in person, nor watched any highlights of him, but you felt that he would never be a good QB. Also, your "instincts", are still up in the air. Just because he's not going to be Auburn's QB, doesn't mean that he isn't good. Just because he wanted to be closer to home, doesn't mean that he isn't good.
Someone will have to look it up, but I think he said Rollison would never be Auburn's QB, or would never be great at Auburn, something along those lines.
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You guys are loaded at QB.
Right, Chopper?
I didn't say we were "loaded", Sparky. Nice try.
I made my points. You can find them if you need to.
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I didn't say we were "loaded", Sparky. Nice try.
I made my points. You can find them if you need to.
Auburn might be overloaded in numbers but it is certainly not lacking in talent.
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My instincts tell me your claim of 99% has a 99% chance of being an exaggeration. :pot:
He's all hat, no cattle.
My initial reaction is that he will struggle far more than many here anticipate and will be closer to Jordan Jefferson than anybody would like next year. But I'm waiting to make that determination.
This is further evidence that you are nothing more than a negative blind squirrel.
If you bitch about everything, surely something somewhere will go bad and you can make that your flagship cause.
You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.
But back to the QB situation. You bitched about how Tyrik would never work out so that you could point to how badly the staff was fucking up by not signing a QB. Well, apparently they have pretty good "instincts" themselves, and had the intuition to sign the best fucking one available. But that's still not good enough for you.
Now Cam's going to be a flop. Unless he isn't. Either way your "instincts" were right on him.
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You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.
In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT. It's a little premature to call the recruiting a success or fail. On paper, its certainly a success; moreso the 2010 class than the 2009. One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.
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ja dennis will probably have some stats but I think less than 70% ever contribute significantly from any one class and it is likely somewhere in the 60% range. Those numbers from Chizik's first class should not surprise many in a transition year.
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One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.
One thing I think you're forgetting, is that whle CTT was getting jumped for recruiting, it was more for leaving Auburn in a 15+ player deficit as it related to the numbers this past year. This isn't jumping on the man, or his accomplishments. If Shug Jordan, or Pat Dye left the team in that short on players due to ANY reason (other than tragedy) people would be rattled and upset with the situation.
As you pointed out, it's premature anyway to start tagging success, or failure as it relates to on field performances. We'll have to see what happens there.
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In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT.
Correction.....we've seen 6 players have meaningful PT, out of Coach Chizik's first class (Bates, Ontario, Eltoro, Demond, Fairley & Lutzenkirchen).
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He's all hat, no cattle.
This is further evidence that you are nothing more than a negative blind squirrel.
If you bitch about everything, surely something somewhere will go bad and you can make that your flagship cause.
You can try to rewrite history all you want, but everyone here knows that you argued until you were blue in the face that Chizik and his staff would be an epic failure in the recruiting realm. He couldn't possibly compete with Troy's headcoach, let alone Saban. He couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. Enough evidence has been gathered to say that you were flat wrong on recruiting, and it's more reasonable than not that you were wrong in every other capacity.
But back to the QB situation. You bitched about how Tyrik would never work out so that you could point to how badly the staff was fucking up by not signing a QB. Well, apparently they have pretty good "instincts" themselves, and had the intuition to sign the best fucking one available. But that's still not good enough for you.
Now Cam's going to be a flop. Unless he isn't. Either way your "instincts" were right on him.
:taunt:
Get an interpreter, Sancho. You no speeka da eenglesh.
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I've been reading your posts for maybe 14 months or so now. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,500 of them on the two sites I've known you. I agree with a lot of your positions, or at least the logic to them, and disagreed with some too.
My instincts tell me your claim of 99% has a 99% chance of being an exaggeration. :pot:
On another note....what do you think about losing him? Big deal? Or no big deal?
I'm 99% right 99% of the time. If people listen and pay attention they learn that what I envision most often comes true.
For Rollison, I only said that he'd never be the QB people were making him out to be when he was being propped as the second coming of Dameyune Jason Jeff Craig Campbell Burger. Never thought he'd pan out, never thought he'd make it. Never knew why, but it really boiled down to the way he got there more than anything I guess. I tried to envision him on the field and just couldn't do it.
A loss? No. Not at all. He was never going to be Auburn's quarterback. Not in the immediate future anyway.
Newton? I don't really know. He's got a better chance than Rollison ever did. My instincts are that he'll be a little more raw and unpolished than so many people here are expecting. It's just a matter of how patient people will be if he does struggle, especially early.
The SEC is a tough league and we've seen a number of kids get their reputations chewed up and spit out. I think he's going to have a hard time adjusting to SEC defenses. He won't have the time (or the wide open receivers) he did in juco. He won't be able to stand back there and stare down a guy until he comes open like I saw him do on film. He's not going to be able to pull it down and lumber for big yards like he did there, either. Maybe against Arky State and UTC, but there's a big gap between those two.
After Arky State he's got MSU, Clemson, SC, La. Monroe, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU and Ole Miss right in a row.
I'd like to think he's going to be all that, but we've already done this dance a bunch of times. We've heard the "he's unselfish, he's working hard, he's studying film, he's the first in and the last out over and over." Just wait until Kodi Burns takes over he's got all the tools; just wait until Chris Todd comes in, he already knows Franklin's offense and it's going to be off the hook; just wait until you see Rollison throw, he's got a cannon and the wheels to go with it; just wait until Newton...
So I'm waiting. I'm not going to prop anybody up as the next anything until and unless I've got a letigimate and realistic reason to do so. Don't have that here. Not yet.
Despite Sancho's hyperbolic assclown interpretation (the same redundant ill-informed spin he puts on everything), that's not negative in any way, shape or form. It's just cautionary.
Maybe I'm from Missouri. Show me before you talk about it. I'm all cattle, no hat.
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I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...
http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html (http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html)
Trooper Taylor said Tuesday during an interview with The Star that redshirt freshman QB Tyrik Rollison has not made a final decision on whether or not to transfer to Sam Houston State, as has been widely reported.
Rollison's father, Michael Kelly, told a few media outlets last week that Rollison would transfer to Sam Houston State, but declined comment when reached by The Star. Auburn has not released an official statement about Rollison.
Though Taylor said Rollison has not yet made up his mind, he did say that Rollison's status for spring football remains uncertain. It will continue to be unclear until Rollison reaches a decision.
Taylor also said he understands players can get homesick and have to do what's best for themselves. He said Auburn will support Rollison either way.
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In all fairness, we have seen around 3 Chizik recruits out of two signing classes play any meaningful PT. It's a little premature to call the recruiting a success or fail. On paper, its certainly a success; moreso the 2010 class than the 2009. One thing to consider though: You guys jumped all in CTT's ass for guys not making grades, guys just not panning out, transfers, etc. There were 28 signees in the 2009 class. 11 of them are not on the roster, for whatever reason. Thats a pretty big number for just 1 year removed from that class.
To me, it doesn't make sense to evaluate recruiting success after the fact. I know you can only tell if kids lived up to their billing after the fact. You can only look back and see how things panned out....after the fact. But to me, that's different than evaluating your recruiting success. "After the fact" is where you learn if you were lucky and if you could coach, but not if you could recruit.
Take Michael Dyer, Corey Lemonier, and Trovon Reed. These three guys were heavily recruited by most other top programs, all to varying degrees. Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Florida State, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, USC, Miami, etc...all had these guys evaluated about the same.
If in 2013 we realize any one or two of these guys were busts, that doesn't mean Auburn did a poor job of recruiting in 2010. It means we were unlucky or couldn't coach. Had those three guys gone to Florida, Georgia, and LSU, it wouldn't have meant Meyer, Richt, or Miles had done a poor job of recruiting either. It would have meant they were unlucky too. Chizik wouldn't have been alone in being wrong about Dyer. Everyone would have been wrong.
The success of recruiting, to me, is defined when you either win or lose the battles for those guys that are generally considered to be great talents by nearly all the top programs. Sure, things get more interesting when you're talking about 2-star and 3-star guys that you feel are "diamonds in the rough". But when we're talking about the guys that are top 10 and top 15 at their position, the success of recruiting comes when they choose you over other top programs. Not 3-4 years later when you get lucky or unlucky and the guy is either a drop out or an NFL lottery pick.
So to me, we won't have to wait a few years to see if this staff was successful at recruiting in 2010. That has been decided. They were successful. It's over. They won a lot of battles against other top programs for the signatures of a lot of sought after kids.
From this point on we will see two things. 1. We'll see if they're lucky. And 2. we'll see if they can coach them. That's what we'll know in 2013 about this 2010 class. Not if Auburn was successful at recruiting. We can determine that right now.
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I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...
http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html (http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html)
99% does leave some wiggle room. If you discuss 1,876 things, 1% would allow for nearly 19 occasions in which you could be mistaken. He hasn't given himself much room, but there is a little.
He could always just try the "....and that's the way it is....unless it's not, either way, that's what I thought".
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Who was the last JUCO QB to have a good first season in the SEC? I can't remember.
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Who was the last JUCO QB to have a good first season in the SEC? I can't remember.
Brent Schaeffer everyone knows that!
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That's what we'll know in 2013 about this 2010 class. Not if Auburn was successful at recruiting. We can determine that right now.
You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.
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Brent Schaeffer everyone knows that!
Yaw Yaw Yaw
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You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.
No...it would be like having a winning lottery ticket, it's just the winning ticket until you receive your money. Lemme put it another way, a way that you'll probably understand, it's like having the Limited Edition Special Red Jacket Han Solo in Mint 10 condition still in mint package, worth a lot of $$$. You won't see the $$$ until it's sold to it's highest bidder. (BTW, I have no clue about Han Solo figures, but I'm guessing rws has a room similar to the 40 Year Old Virgin). Dennis' point is that recruiting is like having a winning ticket or a high dollar toy....we'll see later if the prospects were as good as advertised. But, Auburn having an extremely successful recruiting class has already been determined, it was determined this past Feb.
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No...it would be like having a winning lottery ticket, it's just the winning ticket until you receive your money. Lemme put it another way, a way that you'll probably understand, it's like having the Limited Edition Special Red Jacket Han Solo in Mint 10 condition still in mint package, worth a lot of $$$. You won't see the $$$ until it's sold to it's highest bidder. (BTW, I have no clue about Han Solo figures, but I'm guessing rws has a room similar to the 40 Year Old Virgin). Dennis' point is that recruiting is like having a winning ticket or a high dollar toy....we'll see later if the prospects were as good as advertised. But, Auburn having an extremely successful recruiting class has already been determined, it was determined this past Feb.
Having a great recruiting does not mean jack. UGA has a top ten recruiting class every freaking year and they were horrible last year and will continue to be a good 10-2 or 9-3 team every year. When Coach O was at Ole Miss they had top five classes and we saw how great they were. Coaching. A great recruiting class is like a pile of fertilizer. Tons of potential but if not used correctly it's just a pile of shit. Now with that being said a great recruiting class with a great coaching staff can mean greatness. I feel like allbarn has a great coaching staff and if they continue recruiting their collective asses off they will have chance to be on top of the heap again.
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Having a great recruiting does not mean jack. UGA has a top ten recruiting class every freaking year and they were horrible last year and will continue to be a good 10-2 or 9-3 team every year. When Coach O was at Ole Miss they had top five classes and we saw how great they were.
You guys are just making jadennis's point: recruiting success is measurable on signing day, but coaching success dictates the quality of those kids in 3-4 years.
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You guys are just making jadennis's point: recruiting success is measurable on signing day, but coaching success dictates the quality of those kids in 3-4 years.
Eggzachery
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What does all of this have to do with TR leaving? I see new post and think that something new has developed.
You damn kids stay off my lawn.
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What does all of this have to do with TR leaving? I see new post and think that something new has developed.
You damn kids stay off my lawn.
I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...
http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html (http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html)
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You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.
Wes is right, some of those posts were exactly my point. Even though Georgia has had a down year here or there, it doesn't mean they didn't recruit good. It mean they didn't coach them well, they didn't scheme well on the field, or they were unlucky with injuries and a few guys not living up to their billing. But on signing day, their "billing" was that they were top notch players....agreed on by everyone.
RWS, the following quote by you explains my point...
Success on paper is different than success on the field.
You are exactly right. Signing day and recruiting for that year is done on paper. It's not done on the field. Your job in recruiting is to take the available players, go with the odds, and reel in as many top notch (based on the information available at the time) guys as you can. Your goal is to get them to sign....on paper. You are either successful at that job (attaining signatures) or you are not.
Later, comes the "on the field" work with these new guys. At that time, you either learn that they fall short of what they were labeled, or they get hurt, or they fail out, or you simply can't coach them, or you simply can't prepare them properly for a game, or they are as good as advertised, or you can prepare them for a game, and you can coach them up for SEC play. All of this determines on the field success.
They are two different things. You can be a great recruiter (Ron Zook) and suck as a coach. Zook going 8-5 every year never changed the fact that he was successful as a recruiter. Not even a little. It meant he couldn't coach. Did 8-5 in 2003 for Zook mean that Spurrier recruited shitty players in 1999 and 2000? No, it means Zook couldn't coach.
The battle of recruiting is only won in February.
Let me give one more analogy. Let's say you had $100,000, and you had to put $50,000 on two different teams to win the World Series next year. You had to pick two, before the season. What would you do? You would inspect the rosters. Look at the managers records. Check the schedules. Look at Vegas and check the odds (this would probably be the biggest one). Right now, on Vegas.com, you'd find that the Yankees are 14/5 favorites and the Red Sox are 11/2.
So you go, place you money on those two teams. At that point, before the action is played out on the field, you have made good choices. You did all you could do, went with the odds, gave yourself the best chance to win. You made good choices. You made wise choices. At that point, having done all you could do, you had a successful process that led you to the best choice. (the opposite would have been saying "I sure love the uniforms of the Kansas City Royals...I think I'll go with them". Then you find out their odds are 150/1. You would have had an unsuccessful process of picking your team, as you did not give yourself the best chance to succeed).
Come October, you'll find out if those teams let you down or not. You'll find out if they lived up to expectations or if they didn't. But you cannot judge retrospectively the wisdom of the decision you made prior to the season. You still made the right call. You still made the correct and best choices. October doesn't change the success or quality of those choices made in March.
Even if Dyer rushes for 187 yards in his whole career at Auburn....it was still the right thing to do in the fall of 2009 to go after him. Eric Mack may be a back-up for 4 years. It was still the right thing to persuade him to come to Auburn early in 2010. Those battles can only be fought once....on paper...during recruiting.
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Damn'it jadennis, quit making sense. You are disturbing the peace.
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I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...
http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html (http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html)
I'm going to say that it's statistically possible, yes. 99% does allow room for 1% error and unless I'm wrong about something else -- unlikely -- a Rollison turnaround (also unlikely) would probably fall within the margin and allow me to remain at 99%. Worst case scenario would probably be a drop to like 98.5%, which if rounded would still equal 99.
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Let me give one more analogy. Let's say you had $100,000, and you had to put $50,000 on two different teams to win the World Series next year. You had to pick two, before the season. What would you do? You would inspect the rosters. Look at the managers records. Check the schedules. Look at Vegas and check the odds (this would probably be the biggest one). Right now, on Vegas.com, you'd find that the Yankees are 14/5 favorites and the Red Sox are 11/2.
So you go, place you money on those two teams. At that point, before the action is played out on the field, you have made good choices. You did all you could do, went with the odds, gave yourself the best chance to win. You made good choices. You made wise choices. At that point, having done all you could do, you had a successful process that led you to the best choice. (the opposite would have been saying "I sure love the uniforms of the Kansas City Royals...I think I'll go with them". Then you find out their odds are 150/1. You would have had an unsuccessful process of picking your team, as you did not give yourself the best chance to succeed).
THIS is why Vegas makes money.
You failed to note that both the Yankees and Red Sox are in the same division. The likelihood of both of them making the World Series is zero. If you're going to make that kind of wager, you're better off picking one team from each league so that you increase your overall odds.
You choose Yankees and Sox and it's an absolute certainty that one of the two won't make the Series. You've cut your odds in half before the first game is played.
Better bet would be to take Yankees or Sox and Dodgers or Phils.
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THIS is why Vegas makes money.
You failed to note that both the Yankees and Red Sox are in the same division. The likelihood of both of them making the World Series is zero. If you're going to make that kind of wager, you're better off picking one team from each league so that you increase your overall odds.
You choose Yankees and Sox and it's an absolute certainty that one of the two won't make the Series. You've cut your odds in half before the first game is played.
Better bet would be to take Yankees or Sox and Dodgers or Phils.
He'd make money if either of those favorites from the division made the series at those odds. Actually, that may be a safer bet than putting all your eggs in one basket per division.
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He'd make money if either of those favorites from the division made the series at those odds. Actually, that may be a safer bet than putting all your eggs in one basket per division.
So fuck Vegas then.
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I'm thinking of bidding on this. Anyone want to go in halfsies?
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-TYRIK-ROLLISON-Auburn-Tigers-Football-RC-LOT_W0QQitemZ140340643897QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Football?hash=item20acf44839 (http://cgi.ebay.com/12-TYRIK-ROLLISON-Auburn-Tigers-Football-RC-LOT_W0QQitemZ140340643897QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Football?hash=item20acf44839)
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Last I heard Tyrik was still attending classes at AU. Anyone have an update on him leaving or staying?
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Last I heard Tyrik was still attending classes at AU. Anyone have an update on him leaving or staying?
Last I'd heard, from "Da Skreets" of course, was that Tyrik hasn't set his transfer in stone yet.
One of two things:
1. He's going to finish the Semester out, like he stated that he would, then transfer.
2. He came out with the transfer story to shut all the bammers up, that were on his Facebook, suggesting that he transfer.
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I don't think his Dad would have played along with the facebook game.
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Last I'd heard, from "Da Skreets" of course, was that Tyrik hasn't set his transfer in stone yet.
One of two things:
1. He's going to finish the Semester out, like he stated that he would, then transfer.
2. He came out with the transfer story to shut all the bammers up, that were on his Facebook, suggesting that he transfer.
So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
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So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
You also started Global Warming.
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So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
Wow, I didn't realize that TigersX had TWO women posing as men on these message boards....rws and kaos. I stated, and I'll typed this slowly, that it is one of two things, I really didn't think that I'd have to put that it is my opinion, but for people like yourself I guess I'll have to put that in EVERY post that I make....and fyi there were bammers on his facebook suggesting that he transfer.
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and fyi there were bammers on his facebook suggesting that he transfer.
I wouldn't know if they did or not, because I don't stalk recruits/players pages.
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I wouldn't know if they did or not what byrant-denny stadium looks like, because I don't stalk recruits/players pages attend bama games.
FTFY
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FTFY
I'm starting to think you have an obsession with me. You never post here unless it is to say something about me not going to a game.
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I'm starting to think you have an obsession with me. You never post here unless it is to say something about me not going to a game.
It's funny though. :thumsup:
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You never post here unless it is to say something about me not going to a game.
Which is remarkably more insight than you bring to the table
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Which is remarkably more insight than you bring to the table
Or to an Alabama game!
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