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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on January 11, 2010, 10:00:59 AM
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Jay Tate article... A positive for once from the "beat" writer from Montgomery...
Addresses perception that Auburn will find it more difficult based on Alabama's success...
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20100111/SPORTS0402/1110317/1002/sports/AUBURN-ANALYSIS-Tigers-make-solid-strides-in-spite-of-Tide-s-rise (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20100111/SPORTS0402/1110317/1002/sports/AUBURN-ANALYSIS-Tigers-make-solid-strides-in-spite-of-Tide-s-rise)
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So the line is officially, the offense dialed it back to help the weary defense?
I guess they need some explanation as to why the high-octane offense for most of the time was stuck in the mud. Think about it; Auburn's offense wasn't really about sustained drives - it was about big plays. There's nothing wrong with that, I guess, but there's no arguing that the two-minute offense flat out sucked this year.
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So the line is officially, the offense dialed it back to help the weary defense?
I guess they need some explanation as to why the high-octane offense for most of the time was stuck in the mud. Think about it; Auburn's offense wasn't really about sustained drives - it was about big plays. There's nothing wrong with that, I guess, but there's no arguing that the two-minute offense flat out sucked this year.
The two minute offense was fine most of the year with the exception of the final drive versus Alabama. No doubt that particular drive was cluster for whatever reason. I'd point to drives that took us toward scores or field goals in a few games before halftime that had everyone excited, to show the two minute offense was capable of working if executed properly. Just my opinion...
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there's no arguing that the two-minute offense flat out sucked this year.
Just every other minute.
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The two minute offense was fine most of the year with the exception of the final drive versus Alabama. No doubt that particular drive was cluster for whatever reason. I'd point to drives that took us toward scores or field goals in a few games before halftime that had everyone excited, to show the two minute offense was capable of working if executed properly. Just my opinion...
No, you're remembering wrong.
After the WVU game, we didn't do squat in the final few minutes of any half. Yeah, it was great against MSU but not so much after that.
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So the line is officially, the offense dialed it back to help the weary defense?
I guess they need some explanation as to why the high-octane offense for most of the time was stuck in the mud. Think about it; Auburn's offense wasn't really about sustained drives - it was about big plays. There's nothing wrong with that, I guess, but there's no arguing that the two-minute offense flat out sucked this year.
And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
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And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
"Fall flat on their face" for three quarters = leading the entire game until under a minute & a half, and then still being within 5 points and driving in the final seconds of the game.
Gotcha.
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The two minute offense was fine most of the year with the exception of the final drive versus Alabama. No doubt that particular drive was cluster for whatever reason. I'd point to drives that took us toward scores or field goals in a few games before halftime that had everyone excited, to show the two minute offense was capable of working if executed properly. Just my opinion...
Kentucky? Georgia?
The worst thing for Auburn is a 14 point lead.
The selective memory of the majority of the War Damners never ceases to amaze me. Next you are going to tell me Auburn will have a top 5 recruiting class and finish above Alabama.
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And because I expect squawking and the requisite "kaos don't know nothin'.. " BS, let me refresh your memories.
VS WVU
Yep. Ball with about 4:00 left in the first half, TD.
End of game was a defensive score
VS Ball State
Who cares?
VS Tennessee
Last major drive of the second quarter started with more than 6:00 left. Ended in a missed field goal.
Last drive of the game started with 4:11 and ended with a FG.
VS. Arkansas
Last drive of the first half, three plays four yards. Blech
Last of the game, five plays one yard. Blech
VS Kentucky
Last drive of the first half the only decent drive of the game 14 plays 48 yards. (Too many plays)
Last of the game? pathetic
VS LSU
All drives in the first half, nothing. 22 total yards in the second quarter
Last drive of the game (with Caudle and their backups) 8 plays 59 yards TD
VS. Ole Miss
Last real drive of the second half went 90 yards in six plays for a score.
Last drive of the game didn't matter.
VS. Furman
Really want to count this?
Last real drive of the second half, TD.
VS. Georgia
Ball with 3:32 left in the half, three plays for four yards and punt.
Ball with 6:45 left in game, 14 plays, just 40 yards turnover on downs.
VS. Alabama
Last drive of the first half, six plays 36 yards and a punt
Last drive of the game, seven play clusterfuck.
I just don't see any super effecitive two-minute offense there at all. One drive against Ole Miss and one against Kenucky is about the extent of it.
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The selective memory of the majority of the War Damners never ceases to amaze me. Next you are going to tell me Auburn will have a top 5 recruiting class and finish above Alabama.
Yeah...because we all know that will NEVER happen.
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Sensi, you, sir, are an idiot.
The selective memory of the majority of the War Damners never ceases to amaze me.
Distancing yourself from Auburn fans by calling "them" a name. Don't be surprised when bammer-in-disguise accusations start rolling in.
Next you are going to tell me Auburn will have a top 5 recruiting class and finish above Alabama.
Care to make a wager on whether or not we end up with a top 5 recruiting class?
The fact that you say this as if it is an impossibility shows that you know not of which you speak, and really shouldn't speak as an authority on Auburn football. The fact that you have your little podcast is an embarrassment to the Auburn family.
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Sensi, you, sir, are an idiot.Distancing yourself from Auburn fans by calling "them" a name. Don't be surprised when bammer-in-disguise accusations start rolling in.Care to make a wager on whether or not we end up with a top 5 recruiting class?
The fact that you say this as if it is an impossibility shows that you know not of which you speak.
Namecalling? Please. Please tell me you have more than this.
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Namecalling? Please. Please tell me you have more than this.
The War Damners? Why don't you just call us barners?
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The War Damners? Why don't you just call us barners?
Because that's a word the Bammers use. Bammers/Rammer Jammers = War Damners. Just calling out the kool-aiod drinking fringe. It's still better than the inbreds from UT.
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And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
You're a dumb ass...
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The selective memory of the majority of the War Damners never ceases to amaze me. Next you are going to tell me Auburn will have a top 5 recruiting class and finish above Alabama.
What would leave you, Mr. Expert, to believe that Auburn having a top 5 recruiting class is beyond possibility?
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And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
You've said this, like, eleventy four times. Nobody bought it the first time you tried to sell it.
This isn't like dumbass bammer nashoneel champeeonships. You can't just keep saying something ignorant and eventually everybody will accept it.
What you're saying, what you've been saying, is flat out wrong. It's just asinine.
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What would leave you, Mr. Expert, to believe that Auburn having a top 5 recruiting class is beyond possibility?
The schools/programs that have recently dominated those top 5 spots still have a number of open slots. Top 10 - probably. Top 5 would be a real over achievement in my book.
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And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
And the score was 26-7, right? Fucking revisionist history strikes again.
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The schools/programs that have recently dominated those top 5 spots still have a number of open slots. Top 10 - probably. Top 5 would be a real over achievement in my book.
We have a number of open slots ourselves, with some 4 & 5* guys lined up ready to commit.
"I think we're sitting just about as good as we can be with most of the guys we have left recruiting," Chizik said last month."
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2010/01/five_tigers_arrive_today_as_au.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2010/01/five_tigers_arrive_today_as_au.html)
But I wouldn't expect you to know that...
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We have a number of open slots ourselves, with some 4 & 5* guys lined up ready to commit.
"I think we're sitting just about as good as we can be with most of the guys we have left recruiting," Chizik said last month."
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2010/01/five_tigers_arrive_today_as_au.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2010/01/five_tigers_arrive_today_as_au.html)
But I wouldn't expect you to know that...
I do know that. I also know Texas and USC are bigger and better programs. Go fuck yourself.
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I do know that. I also know Texas and USC are bigger and better programs. Go fuck yourself.
Fine. Let's make a wager then.
I don't feel guilty stealing from the mentally disabled.
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Fine. Let's make a wager then.
I don't feel guilty stealing from the mentally disabled.
Didn't you see the plane flying over? Gambling is illegal in this state. ;-)
Okay. I'll wager a $25 gift certificate to a steak place (Sante Fe's, Logans, wtfever) that Auburn doesn't finish in the top 5 in the recruiting rankings and above Alabama. Let's use a consensus rank average of Rivals and Scout. Fair enough?
By the way, is that avatar from "The Ring?"
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Sensi, I'm still of the opinion that too often your name should be Mr. Cynical.
If there is a middle road, you are just as far from it as the "kool aid" drinkers you loathe and insult. Why is Auburn getting one of the best recruiting classes in the country an "over achievement"? That sounds like one of those subtle jabs a bamingham writer would throw in an article trying to be pro-Auburn.
The offense was inconsistent this past year, and a lot of that inconsistency can be traced to inconsistent QB play. It wasn't remotely all Todd's fault, but if you look at the three games in which we were hiding under a rock (Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU), you'll see the 2008 Chris Todd leading the offense.
The "other" Todd was the difference in games against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Sure, things weren't beautiful in the Tennessee game, but look closer and it was just a few unlucky plays/penalties that kept that game close. The offense, on the whole, played better than the 26 points indicated (the 459 yards and 24 first downs was more indicative of how they played).
And don't forget, we lost to Georgia, but we also had the game tying TD pass completed until Fannin let go of the ball. Alabama was the best team in the country, no question. We led them the whole game. We only scored 21 pts on them, but Arkansas scored 7, Tennessee 10, Ole Miss 3, South Carolina 6, LSU 15, Mississippi State 3, and Florida 13.
So we scored more on them than any other team in the SEC managed to do. There is no reason to call the people that get excited about that kool aid drinkers. It's not like that's even a subjective stat. It's a fact that the offense was inconsistent at times. It's also a fact that the offense was unstoppable at times. If you're going to call yourself Mr Sensible, you have to acknowledge both facts.
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And thats what the offense depends on to work; a fast pace. The Iron Bowl was a good example of that. The first 10 minutes, AU was moving fast, and throwing out new formations and plays left and right. Alabama settles down and decides to play football, Malzahn is out of scripted plays, AU's offense can't get in their own rhythm and set the pace, and they fall flat on their face and gain like 150 yards over the next 3 quarters.
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Sensi, I'm still of the opinion that too often your name should be Mr. Cynical.
If there is a middle road, you are just as far from it as the "kool aid" drinkers you loathe and insult. Why is Auburn getting one of the best recruiting classes in the country an "over achievement"?
The offense was inconsistent this past year, and a lot of that inconsistency can be traced to inconsistent QB play. It wasn't remotely all Todd's fault, but if you look at the three games in which we were hiding under a rock (Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU), you'll see the 2008 Chris Todd leading the offense.
The "other" Todd was the difference in games against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Sure, things weren't beautiful in the Tennessee game, but look closer and it was just a few unlucky plays/penalties that kept that game close. The offense, on the whole, played better than the 26 points indicated (the 459 yards and 24 first downs was more indicative of how they played).
And don't forget, we lost to Georgia, but we also had the game tying TD pass completed until Fannin let go of the ball. Alabama was the best team in the country, no question. We led them the whole game. We only scored 21 pts on them, but Arkansas scored 7, Tennessee 10, Ole Miss 3, South Carolina 6, LSU 15, Mississippi State 3, and Florida 13.
So we scored more on them than any other team in the SEC managed to do. There is no reason to call the people that get excited about that kool aid drinkers. It's not like that's even a subjective stat. It's a fact that the offense was inconsistent at times. It's also a fact that the offense was unstoppable at times. If you're going to call yourself Mr Sensible, you have to acknowledge both facts.
I did. I said the offense was a big play offense. I didn't feel the need to elaborate because people understand what that means and remember the plays I'm referencing.
Over - achievement - I suppose I should have referenced this was in comparison to recent (last few years) recruiting classes. It's also rare for a 7-5 regular season "other" team in a state with a dominant one to acheive such a feat. Thus, it is an over achievement if and when it happens.
Chris Todd deserves a fucking statue for what he did this year in spite of a shaky offensive line, inconsistent receivers, and a fanbase that had thrown him in the garbage after an injury-plagued junior season. That guy may not play a down on Sunday but he's got balls of brass as far as I'm concerned.
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Over - achievement - I suppose I should have referenced this was in comparison to recent (last few years) recruiting classes. It's also rare for a 7-5 regular season "other" team in a state with a dominant one to acheive such a feat. Thus, it is an over achievement if and when it happens.
This is what I'm not sure I'm ready to concede. Why is Alabama so much more dominate when for decades, the records and achievments (certainly up to this year anyway) seem to indicate that for years, Auburn was in fact, the dominate team in the state?
This is why I don't believe your way of thinking is correct. Maybe it was thirty years ago, but maybe that thirty plus year's old thinking is part of the problem in all of this.
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Sensi, I'm still of the opinion that too often your name should be Mr. Cynical.
If there is a middle road, you are just as far from it as the "kool aid" drinkers you loathe and insult. Why is Auburn getting one of the best recruiting classes in the country an "over achievement"? That sounds like one of those subtle jabs a bamingham writer would throw in an article trying to be pro-Auburn.
The offense was inconsistent this past year, and a lot of that inconsistency can be traced to inconsistent QB play. It wasn't remotely all Todd's fault, but if you look at the three games in which we were hiding under a rock (Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU), you'll see the 2008 Chris Todd leading the offense.
The "other" Todd was the difference in games against Tennessee and Ole Miss. Sure, things weren't beautiful in the Tennessee game, but look closer and it was just a few unlucky plays/penalties that kept that game close. The offense, on the whole, played better than the 26 points indicated (the 459 yards and 24 first downs was more indicative of how they played).
And don't forget, we lost to Georgia, but we also had the game tying TD pass completed until Fannin let go of the ball. Alabama was the best team in the country, no question. We led them the whole game. We only scored 21 pts on them, but Arkansas scored 7, Tennessee 10, Ole Miss 3, South Carolina 6, LSU 15, Mississippi State 3, and Florida 13.
So we scored more on them than any other team in the SEC managed to do. There is no reason to call the people that get excited about that kool aid drinkers. It's not like that's even a subjective stat. It's a fact that the offense was inconsistent at times. It's also a fact that the offense was unstoppable at times. If you're going to call yourself Mr Sensible, you have to acknowledge both facts.
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The majority of the fanbase are not fringe koolaid drinkers but they are also not fringe pessimists and ashamed as Sensi is. MOST are, as JA said, middle of the road.
Sensi, "Texas and USC are better" ? Better is so subjective and complex my friend. I would MUCH rather be associated with a nice "cow college" such as ours than Hollywood U (USC) where everyone apparently now gets a Lexus to play there......But I am glad you like to run your own school in the ground. That ittie bittie podcast you do has grown your head to beyond what it really is. War Damners? Good gosh.......I'm gonna leave that one alone. Take a step back and get some air Sensi.
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Why is Alabama so much more dominate when for decades, the records and achievments (certainly up to this year anyway) seem to indicate that for years, Auburn was in fact, the dominate team in the state?
See all that shit on the table in front of that motherfucker? That's why.
(http://media.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/photo/nick-saban-trophiesjpg-88bd43c8049477b5_large.jpg)
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See all that shit on the table in front of that motherfucker? That's why.
(http://media.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/photo/nick-saban-trophiesjpg-88bd43c8049477b5_large.jpg)
So, this means for decades Auburn didn't dominate? 2004 didn't happen? Does it mean we can't get there also?
I guess, I'm just not ready to conced to them being dominate in a larger sense. This year? Abso-fuckin'-lutely. Over-all, in an Auburn can't compete sort of way? No thank you.
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I did. I said the offense was a big play offense. I didn't feel the need to elaborate because people understand what that means and remember the plays I'm referencing.
Over - achievement - I suppose I should have referenced this was in comparison to recent (last few years) recruiting classes. It's also rare for a 7-5 regular season "other" team in a state with a dominant one to acheive such a feat. Thus, it is an over achievement if and when it happens.
Chris Todd deserves a phuking statue for what he did this year in spite of a shaky offensive line, inconsistent receivers, and a fanbase that had thrown him in the garbage after an injury-plagued junior season. That guy may not play a down on Sunday but he's got balls of brass as far as I'm concerned.
I guess in the context (and tone) that you used "over achievement" is comes across the same way it was an "over achievement" that Utah beat Alabama last year, or that Mississippi State won the SEC tournament last year. It comes across like it's not indicative of our actual ability to recruit, but somehow is a fluke, not likely to be repeated.
As for Todd, I agree, he played great at times, took a beating at times, and kept on plugging away. I'm not here to bury him, he actually set Auburn records this year....but there was a night and day in the way he played against Tennessee and the way he played against Arkansas/Kentucky/LSU. There just was.
But the fact that Todd set Auburn records this year is all the more reason to expect more from the offense next year. The truth is, he wasn't as bad as the 2008 staff made him look, but he isn't as good as this 2009 staff made him look. For that, I expect more next year (no kool aid necessary, just my eyes and brain).
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Okay. I'll wager a $25 gift certificate to a steak place (Sante Fe's, Logans, wtfever) that Auburn doesn't finish in the top 5 in the recruiting rankings and above Alabama. Let's use a consensus rank average of Rivals and Scout. Fair enough?
Including Scout will definitely drag it down since their algorithm doesn't include early enrollment or JUCO players (i.e. Cam Newton and four 4*s). And on top of that, they consider him, the #1 QB available, a 4*, even if they did count him towards our total.
But fuck it, if we rank in the top 3 in Rivals and Top 7 in Scout, then I win, and I think we land at least there.
Shit's on.
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I do know that. I also know Texas and USC are bigger and better programs. Go fuck yourself.
Well then why do you think that Auburn landing a top 5 recruiting class as impossible?
5* Latt
4* Thorton
4* Whitaker
4* Mack
4* Lemonier
These are all stud recruits and from what I understand, ours to lose. Plus, if we can pull one more "suprise" out to fill our class, that would only help. We are ranked #5 now per Rivals, how the hell is the list above going to drop us? Texas is already ahead of us, and USC just lost their coach. I just don't see that many teams flying past us if we land the guys mentioned above.
Chad, clarify your bet. I wouldn't bet that we end up ahead of Alabama (it MAY happen) because Alabama has a hell of a class too, but the top 5 SHOULD happen, IF we don't lose anyone and get the people we are expecting to get...
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See all that poop on the table in front of that motherphuker? That's why.
(http://media.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/photo/nick-saban-trophiesjpg-88bd43c8049477b5_large.jpg)
Their history of "champeenchips" has nothing to do with the Bear signing 200 players just so other teams couldn't have them does it sensi? All fair and square? The REC and Bear having a stranglehold on the NCAA and wrapped around their little finger had nothing to do with it? Oh yes, and what about control of the state and national media along with all the powerful lawyers and judges in the state......pure coincidence I assume, right Sensi? Auburn has been hogtied the last 50 years like a mofo and the fact that we have done what we have is amazing. The way we have been handicapped down and labeled 2nd tier in the state makes the competitive nature of the Auburn/Alabama rivalry even more amazing.
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"Fall flat on their face" for three quarters = leading the entire game until under a minute & a half, and then still being within 5 points and driving in the final seconds of the game.
Gotcha.
A few things......
1. AU's defense was playing a hell of a game. However, you can't expect them to go out and hold a team every time when the offense is going 3-and-out more often than not. When you go 3-and-out or less 8/11 drives over a three quarter period, that isn't good for your defense.
2. AU scored 14 points in the first quarter. AU scored 7 points to Alabama's 26 the rest of the game. Even though AU outgained UA as far as offensive yards, it was due to just a few big plays. Let me break down some AU drives for you:
2nd Quarter
3 plays -4 yards (PUNT)
3 plays -6 yards (PUNT)
3 plays 28 yards (FUMBLE/Alabama recovered)
6 plays 36 yards (PUNT)
3rd Quarter
3 plays 6 yards (PUNT)
2 plays 76 yards (TD)
3 plays -1 yard (PUNT)
2 plays 2 yards (INT)
5 plays 19 yards (PUNT)
4th Quarter
3 plays -16 yards (PUNT)
7 plays 38 yards (END OF GAME)
The first quarter accounted for 138 yards alone. The remaining three quarters COMBINED accounted for 178 yards. If it weren't for a mistake by Mark Barron in the 3rd, I doubt you guys would have got that TD. But, thats part of it. Bottom line is, AU came out with some scripted plays that Alabama hadn't really seen much of before. Kudos to you if you can do it and score some points. Thats part of football. It worked, and Alabama was shellshocked by it. But other than that, AU's offense fell flat on its face after the 1st quarter. If you can look at those drives I posted and come to any other conclusion, then wow.
3. Alabama's offense isn't as prolific as you claim Malzahn's to be. It isn't really built to come back from a deficit, and isn't really built to score 40 points a game or anything. I don't know if you noticed, but Alabama just kept going on about its business. They didn't panic, they didn't go apeshit and start throwing out all kinds of weird desperate shit. They just kept playing the game.
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I guess in the context (and tone) that you used "over achievement" is comes across the same way it was an "over achievement" that Utah beat Alabama last year, or that Mississippi State won the SEC tournament last year. It comes across like it's not indicative of our actual ability to recruit, but somehow is a fluke, not likely to be repeated.
As for Todd, I agree, he played great at times, took a beating at times, and kept on plugging away. I'm not here to bury him, he actually set Auburn records this year....but there was a night and day in the way he played against Tennessee and the way he played against Arkansas/Kentucky/LSU. There just was.
But the fact that Todd set Auburn records this year is all the more reason to expect more from the offense next year. The truth is, he wasn't as bad as the 2008 staff made him look, but he isn't as good as this 2009 staff made him look. For that, I expect more next year (no kool aid necessary, just my eyes and brain).
Can I interject who think would be a good replacement for Malzhan (who - to no blame of his own - should parlay any success here into a HC sooner than later)?
Curtis Luper. Discuss.
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Their history of "champeenchips" has nothing to do with the Bear signing 200 players just so other teams couldn't have them does it sensi? All fair and square? The REC and Bear having a stranglehold on the NCAA and wrapped around their little finger had nothing to do with it? Oh yes, and what about control of the state and national media along with all the powerful lawyers and judges in the state......pure coincidence I assume, right Sensi? Auburn has been hogtied the last 50 years like a mofo and the fact that we have done what we have is amazing. The way we have been handicapped down and labeled 2nd tier in the state makes the competitive nature of the Auburn/Alabama rivalry even more amazing.
The "dominant" comment was strictly referring to this year.
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So, this means for decades Auburn didn't dominate? 2004 didn't happen? Does it mean we can't get there also?
I guess, I'm just not ready to concede to them being dominate in a larger sense. This year? Abso-fuckin'-lutely. Over-all, in an Auburn can't compete sort of way? No thank you.
Was in reference to this year only. Past is past. Future is unknown. What is - is. Unless you are Bill Clinton or RWS.
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Teh "dominant" comment was strictly referring to this year.
Ok...just keeping you honest :)....although I won't concede that this team wasn't achieved by shady means either. I can't prove anything, but just saying....
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Ok...just keeping you honest :)....although I won't concede that this team wasn't achieved by shady means either. I can't prove anything, but just saying....
Do you get good reception with that tinfoil?
:)
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Can I interject who think would be a good replacement for Malzhan (who - to no blame of his own - should parlay any success here into a HC sooner than later)?
Curtis Luper. Discuss.
No discussion needed on my part. Luper seems legit.
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Chad, clarify your bet. I wouldn't bet that we end up ahead of Alabama (it MAY happen) because Alabama has a hell of a class too, but the top 5 SHOULD happen, IF we don't lose anyone and get the people we are expecting to get...
I never saw where it was insinuated that we have to beat Bama in recruiting.
Only that we finish with a Top 5 recruiting class. I'd rather keep it as only per Rivals, so that it would be an absolute lock, but we'll make it interesting and go with the average of Scout & Rivals, since that's the way Sensi wants to play.
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No discussion needed on my part. Luper seems legit.
(http://www.chapatimystery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/36286.jpg)
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I never saw where it was insinuated that we have to beat Bama in recruiting.
Only that we finish with a Top 5 recruiting class. I'd rather keep it as only per Rivals, so that it would be an absolute lock, but we'll make it interesting and go with the average of Scout & Rivals, since that's the way Sensi wants to play.
Go back and read it. It was in there. However, I'll give the $25 g.c. to you if Auburn is in the consensus top 5.
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Was in reference to this year only. Past is past. Future is unknown. What is - is. Unless you are Bill Clinton or RWS.
You will get no argument from me about AU being the dominant team for most of the decade. When Alabama loses 6 straight, you can't even begin to argue that. All the more reason I thought AU was stupid for letting CTT go so quickly. But, thats another story for another thread.
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. I'd rather keep it as only per Rivals, so that it would be an absolute lock, but we'll make it interesting and go with the average of Scout & Rivals, since that's the way Sensi wants to play.
You can throw ESPN in there if you want to make it three rankings. I'm not a big fan of any one over another.
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Was in reference to this year only. Past is past. Future is unknown. What is - is. Unless you are Bill Clinton or RWS.
I get your point. However, the recruting class that will sign in a few weeks was started last year, LONG before Alabama was going to achieve what was on that table. So, to reference our recruting class's achievement based on this year's Bama dominance, or result that came to fruition less than a week ago is a little light on impact.
Anyway, I like where our recruting is going, and I'll be curious to see how your bet goes with Chizad.
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Do you get good reception with that tinfoil?
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No tinfoil needed. I just look at their track record. Its pretty simple actually. :thumbsup:
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You will get no argument from me about AU being the dominant team for most of the decade. When Alabama loses 6 straight, you can't even begin to argue that. All the more reason I thought AU was stupid for letting CTT go so quickly. But, thats another story for another thread.
How about last 30 years? JAD, please release the stat since Bear last coached....
And as far as Sensi/Chizad's bet goes, from an objective POV, wouldn't it be fair to JUST include RIVALS and not ESPN and Scout? Those 2 don't even count early signees or JUCO's which are part of your class. I mean, we are talking the ENTIRE class right?
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Go back and read it. It was in there. However, I'll give the $25 g.c. to you if Auburn is in the consensus top 5.
I didn't even see that since you threw it in arbitrarily for no reason whatsoever. When was that entered into the discussion until you threw it in?
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I didn't even see that since you threw it in arbitrarily for no reason whatsoever. When was that entered into the discussion until you threw it in?
I thought it was in there all along, but no bother. We'll just stick to the Top 5 finish. Do you want to include ESPN in that?
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How about last 30 years? JAD, please release the stat since Bear last coached....
I'm only 26, so I couldn't realistically account for all 30 years. In the last 15 years, Alabama has had a good year sprinkled in every once in a while, but never any sort of run where you knew they would win 10+ games over multiple seasons. Stallings put together a few good seasons in a row, and obviousl 92 was good. But I wouldn't call it dominant by any means.
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I'm only 26, so I couldn't realistically account for all 30 years. In the last 15 years, Alabama has had a good year sprinkled in every once in a while, but never any sort of run where you knew they would win 10+ games over multiple seasons. Stallings put together a few good seasons in a row, and obviousl 92 was good. But I wouldn't call it dominant by any means.
Wow...now I feel older..lol. JAD has the number the last 30 years ( in overall wins, SEC titles and head to head). They are somewhat close, but AU does hold the edge in each except for in SEC titles which I think they both have 5.
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Don't have it all in front of me, but the easy one to reference is...
Auburn leads 16-12 since Bear's last year in 1982.
You have to go back to 1977 before Alabama leads (17-16).
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Don't have it all in front of me, but the easy one to reference is...
Auburn leads 16-12 since Bear's last year in 1982.
You have to go back to 1977 before Alabama leads (17-16).
I did the wins a while back since 1983. It was a pretty big gap. Texas, Penn State and USC were also behind Auburn. I believe FSU and Nebraska have the MOST wins the last 25 years. And it was by a MILE.....
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The last two years have made a big difference in things for Alabama.
From 1982 to 2007 SEC records
Auburn - 127-65-4
Alabama - 114-82-1
But add in 2008 and 2009
Auburn - 132-76-4
Alabama - 131-83-1
Auburn still has the better winning % at .632 vs .612, but going 17-1 in the last two years in the SEC has made a big difference (while Auburn was going 5-11).
The last two years have made a big difference in Poll comparisons too.
From 1980 to 2007
Top 25
Auburn - 307 weeks ranked
Alabama - 294 weeks ranked
Top 10
Auburn - 149 weeks in the Top 10
Alabama - 137 weeks in the Top 10
But when you add in 2008 and 2009 (Alabama is currently on a streak of being ranked 33 straight weeks, 30 in the top 10), it looks like this.
Top 25
Auburn - 315 weeks ranked
Alabama - 327 weeks ranked
Top 10
Auburn - 153 weeks in the Top 10
Alabama - 167 weeks in the Top 10
Alabama has had 4 seasons of 5 or fewer wins, 6 seasons of 6 or fewer wins, and 11 of 7 or fewer since 1982. Auburn has had 5 seasons of 5 or fewer wins, 5 seasons of 6 or fewer wins, but only 6 of 7 or fewer.
Auburn has won at least 8 games 22 times since 1982.
Alabama has won at least 8 games only 16 times since 1982.
Auburn has only gone two years in a row with fewer than 8 wins two times since 1982.
Alabama has won fewer than 8 games two years in a row 4 times since 1982.
Auburn has 5 SEC titles since 1982.
Alabama has 4 SEC titles since 1982.
Alabama has 2 National Titles since 1982.
Auburn has 1983, 1993, and 2004.
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Well then why do you think that Auburn landing a top 5 recruiting class as impossible?
5* Latt
4* Thorton
4* Whitaker
4* Mack
4* Lemonier
These are all stud recruits and from what I understand, ours to lose. Plus, if we can pull one more "suprise" out to fill our class, that would only help. We are ranked #5 now per Rivals, how the hell is the list above going to drop us? Texas is already ahead of us, and USC just lost their coach. I just don't see that many teams flying past us if we land the guys mentioned above.
Chad, clarify your bet. I wouldn't bet that we end up ahead of Alabama (it MAY happen) because Alabama has a hell of a class too, but the top 5 SHOULD happen, IF we don't lose anyone and get the people we are expecting to get...
I would say that them being ours to lose is maybe a tad on the wishful thinking side of things.
Lattimore - I would say we have no better chance than South Carolina, and Penn State is sending in Paterno on January 28th try to seal the deal for them....they are right there with SC and Auburn.
Thornton - just as likely to go to Georgia, we could be #2 behind them.
Whitaker - I do think we lead for him.
Mack - Likely to stay at South Carolina. If not, he'll be at Auburn, but that's really a "if he goes anywhere else other than SC, it would be Auburn"...not necessarily that he's likely to come here.
Lemonier - We have as good a chance as anyone, but there isn't much to say we have a better shot than Tennessee (who some have said lead for him) or Florida State.
In the end, we could get all of them (Top 3 class maybe), or we could get one of them (Top 10 class) ...most of them are up in the air for the most part.
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I thought it was in there all along, but no bother. We'll just stick to the Top 5 finish. Do you want to include ESPN in that?
Your initial scoffing was at the notion that Auburn would land A Top 5 recruiting class.
Rivals is usually the standard in these discussions. As I stated, they are the only ones that count early enrollments and JUCO, which both went/are going well for Auburn. They also awarded uat their "Crootin Nashnul Champeenship" in Two-thousand-Saban.
Using Rivals only, it will be a lock. That was initially what we were betting on, but you wanted to average the big two, so to make it interesting, we'll go with that.
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Rivals is usually the standard in these discussions.
Says who? The Bammers that own Rivals?
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Rival's = The only source for Recruiting/Da Skreets
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Rival's = The only source for Recruiting/Da Skreets
Whatever. :taunt:
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This is probably the best recruiting class ever at Auburn-ALREADY. Alabama has almost always out recruited Auburn save for several back to back classes by Dye and a few by Tubs amidst the chaos in Tuscaloosa. Bryant owned this state in terms of recruiting. Auburn was like a sharecropper. Georgia and Tennessee have nearly always out recruited Auburn. LSU wasn't poop until Saban arrived. Miles can't continue that string the way he coaches. If they keep him LSU will be reminiscent of the Charlie McClendon days, just a hair better than Mississippi.
One has to have gone through the Barfield years to have a sense of how far Auburn has come. Dye's troubles and subsequent undoing don't even compare to the apathy surrounding the program during that era. It was, okay we are going to see some long runs and some fancy foot work by one of college football's greatest trio of backs ever assembled before we get beat. That was the mentality then. We had a handful of real players that played their guts out. That is why I pull so hard for the undersized and under talented kids that shine here.
But with this current staff, Auburn has actually just started recruiting nationally, not just in the surrounding states. I guarantee you that Tommy Tuberville had no idea that Ben Tate from Maryland would turn out to be THIS GOOD. Sure he knew the kid could play, but I'll bet he thought that there were probably two or three in this state that would be better in the long run, but he couldn't get them.There is something to be said for the type of individuals that come to Auburn and thrive here where they might just get lost in the shuffle somewhere else. I've often wondered how we seem to continue at this level, when everyone else seems to out-recruit us. Hell if we had just split with Arkansas, Georgia and LSU, there wouldn't be this discussion.
We have been beaten on both sides of the line by Georgia the last four times we have played them. IMO they are a good barometer of how tough we are because I think Auburn mirrors Georgia, or at least we have since Vince Dooley was there. Auburn has to get a handle on Georgia-and at least split with Alabama to get where it needs to be, and stay there. Trips to the SEC Championship Game will follow.
Alabama didn't push Auburn around like it did Texas, or many other SEC teams for that matter. McCoy, Bradford, Stafford and Mallett can make an offense click. You play differently against a kid that knows what the phuk they are doing as opposed to a team with a "game manager". But either way you have to out-execute the other team, and finish. But you can't do it with any consistency without depth, which is what Auburn is lacking.
Chizik and staff have done an incredible job so far, exceeding what most were willing to predict. Chizik lets his coaches coach. Malzahn's spread is the most exciting offense ever at Auburn. Yes I loved the wishbone, and the west coast, but this can be the best of both with the right QB. We knew there were pieces missing, and it would take a couple of years. As far as I'm concerned, Auburn is ahead of schedule. Who could think differently knowing how low the quality numbers have been along with the turmoil of last season? Malzahn might be ahead of the curve as far as offense goes, but he doesn't necessarily have to aspire to becoming a head coach just because you or I or or ESPN thinks he should. It is a different animal. Perhaps observing Chizik will give him the insight he needs in order to decide.
I predicted we would win at least 8 games this past season with or without a bowl victory. And barring wholesale defections and or injuries which is always possible, I think the record will improve. I do not see any reason to display any anxiety, negativity or lack of confidence in Chizik or the staff which seem to have delivered far better than any of us thought possible. I don't need any Bammer to tell me that my team is improving.
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The very long post above contains myriad misconceptions and untruths presented as fact. Too many to address.
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Do you mean we can't be friends, or are you just pressed for time. Let's do lunch!
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Just ate. Tomorrow?
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This is probably the best recruiting class ever at Auburn-ALREADY.
Wow....and they haven't even played the first down of college ball. I can certainly understand you guys being excited about the potential of this class. No doubt. But crowning them as possibly the best EVER, and they haven't even done anything yet?
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Lengthy observation
Just FYI?
"Alabama has always outrecruited Auburn" = FALSE Between 2002 and 2008, Auburn "outranked" Alabama five of the six years. Georgia and Tennessee haven't traditionally outrecruited AU either. That's a fallacy.
Your characterization of Ben Tate's recruitment and the mental processes Tuberville and his staff "must" have gone through during it is delusional at best.
While Georgia currently owns a four-game win-streak over us (one of the longest in series history) getting "pushed around" on the line is hardly the culprit.
Maybe you have, but I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me Chizik is the answer for even another season. We were not that much improved over 2008 and in some ways (particularly defensively) we were way, way worse. (Insert Tuberville, BBQ, lazy ass recruiting justification here). The only difference between 2008 and 2009 were Pat White being gone at WVU and Ole Miss failing to live up to expectations (as is Houston Nutt's pattern). There was a difference against Alabama in terms of intensity, but the team was so mentally fucked up at the end of 2008 that I consider that game nothing but an anomaly. It was indicative of nothing beyond the team psyche at the moment.
Malzahn for all the accolades, really didn't light it up against a single quality opponent. LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas and even Kentucky all put the clamps on us.
I'm ready to be encouraged. But it's just not there yet.
And now you've made me go and do it.
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Wow....and they haven't even played the first down of college ball. I can certainly understand you guys being excited about the potential of this class. No doubt. But crowning them as possibly the best EVER, and they haven't even done anything yet?
We're obviously talking about the quality of class based on evaluation on signing day....why would you bring "haven't even played a down yet" into this? Duh...no one in any class at any program has played a down yet.
If we're not simply talking about the quality of the class based on current expectations, then why do any of us follow recruiting at all? Why aren't we talking today about the recruiting classes of 2004? I mean, now that they've all played out, we should be arguing about who had the best class.
But, as I suspect, you already know, that's not how we (anyone anywhere) do it. We talk about the quality of a class based on their fictitious ratings. We declare if we did well based on how many recruiting battles we won for those highly ranked players. Again, I know you already know this....
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Just FYI?
"Alabama has always outrecruited Auburn" = FALSE Between 2002 and 2008, Auburn "outranked" Alabama five of the six years. Georgia and Tennessee haven't traditionally outrecruited AU either. That's a fallacy.
Your characterization of Ben Tate's recruitment and the mental processes Tuberville and his staff "must" have gone through during it is delusional at best.
While Georgia currently owns a four-game win-streak over us (one of the longest in series history) getting "pushed around" on the line is hardly the culprit.
Maybe you have, but I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me Chizik is the answer for even another season. We were not that much improved over 2008 and in some ways (particularly defensively) we were way, way worse. (Insert Tuberville, BBQ, lazy ass recruiting justification here). The only difference between 2008 and 2009 were Pat White being gone at WVU and Ole Miss failing to live up to expectations (as is Houston Nutt's pattern). There was a difference against Alabama in terms of intensity, but the team was so mentally phuked up at the end of 2008 that I consider that game nothing but an anomaly. It was indicative of nothing beyond the team psyche at the moment.
Malzahn for all the accolades, really didn't light it up against a single quality opponent. LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas and even Kentucky all put the clamps on us.
I'm ready to be encouraged. But it's just not there yet.
And now you've made me go and do it.
I see a few misconceptions in here too though. You're right about a lot of it....but Georgia has out-recruited us on average over the last decade....that's just the truth, they have had top 10 classes every single year that Richt has been there.
You can't (or shouldn't....i know better than to tell you "you can't") downplay the improvements on offense with qualifications (such as, we didn't do well against a single good opponent) and pump up the defensive failures without also providing qualifications to that. I'm not one to put anything on any BBQ or bird hunting, but the fact, regardless of how or why, is that we played an entire season with 2-3 scholarship linebackers. 3-4 of our primary players in our secondary were not available. There is just no logical way to pretend that didn't play a major, I mean major role in some of the overall numbers this defense surrendered. Completely explain it away? No, but you shouldn't igore it either and act like Chizik just came in a ruined the defense.
On offense, Alabama put the clamps on us, but we produced more against them than any other SEC team. Don't skip past that. It was more than any other SEC team produced against them. We also produced 457 yards against Tennessee, which was the second most gained on them all year.
I don't think we're looking at going 12-0 next year, but to say the improvement over last year is hardly noticeable and only due to the loss of Pat White and a down Ole Miss team is crazy. We lost to Ole Miss last year (when they were 9-4) and beat them this year (when they were 9-4). We lost to WVU last year (when they were 9-4) and beat them this year (when they were 9-4).
Couldn't agree more about the Ben Tate thing though.
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I see a few misconceptions in here too though. You're right about a lot of it....but Georgia has out-recruited us on average over the last decade....that's just the truth, they have had top 10 classes every single year that Richt has been there.
You can't (or shouldn't....i know better than to tell you "you can't") downplay the improvements on offense with qualifications (such as, we didn't do well against a single good opponent) and pump up the defensive failures without also providing qualifications to that. I'm not one to put anything on any BBQ or bird hunting, but the fact, regardless of how or why, is that we played an entire season with 2-3 scholarship linebackers. 3-4 of our primary players in our secondary were not available. There is just no logical way to pretend that didn't play a major, I mean major role in some of the overall numbers this defense surrendered. Completely explain it away? No, but you shouldn't igore it either and act like Chizik just came in a ruined the defense.
On offense, Alabama put the clamps on us, but we produced more against them than any other SEC team. Don't skip past that. It was more than any other SEC team produced against them. We also produced 457 yards against Tennessee, which was the second most gained on them all year.
I don't think we're looking at going 12-0 next year, but to say the improvement over last year is hardly noticeable and only due to the loss of Pat White and a down Ole Miss team is crazy. We lost to Ole Miss last year (when they were 9-4) and beat them this year (when they were 9-4). We lost to WVU last year (when they were 9-4) and beat them this year (when they were 9-4).
Couldn't agree more about the Ben Tate thing though.
UGA has out-recruited us over the last decade. I was more referring to the general consensus that UGA "always" out rectuits us. I don't buy that.
Bama doesn't either (unless you only count in-state, aka inbred, titles).
As for the defense, it faced practically the same situation the previous year. Short on players then, too, and we didn't hand out yards like beads from a mardi gras float.
Didn't say there was no difference or that there wasn't improvement. But the improvement was minimal, it wasn't a meteoric rise like a phoenix emerging from the ashes as some are want to paint it. There were steps forward. There were steps backward (sometimes the same steps).
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UGA has out-recruited us over the last decade. I was more referring to the general consensus that UGA "always" out rectuits us. I don't buy that.
Bama doesn't either (unless you only count in-state, aka inbred, titles).
As for the defense, it faced practically the same situation the previous year. Short on players then, too, and we didn't hand out yards like beads from a mardi gras float.
Didn't say there was no difference or that there wasn't improvement. But the improvement was minimal, it wasn't a meteoric rise like a phoenix emerging from the ashes as some are want to paint it. There were steps forward. There were steps backward (sometimes the same steps).
I guess. But even if this offense was inconsistent at times....it was light years better than last year's, and with the group of players. Except for the fact that Darvin Adams was Jerry Rice, it was essentially the same, but with night and day difference in results.
I noted in another thread before, this year's defense actually outperformed last years defense in the last 6 games. If you take the last 6 games of this year and the last 6 games of last year, this year's group gave up the same in points, but gave up over 35 fewer yards per game.
And we were somewhat short on players last year, but not nearly to the extent of this year. And if we were, the fact that our defense went down hill in the last 6 games last year tells me this year's staff handled having no depth in a better way, as our defense didn't really get any worse over the course of the year, but in fact a bit better in the last 6 games.
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I guess. But even if this offense was inconsistent at times....it was light years better than last year's, and with the group of players. Except for the fact that Darvin Adams was Jerry Rice, it was essentially the same, but with night and day difference in results.
I noted in another thread before, this year's defense actually outperformed last years defense in the last 6 games. If you take the last 6 games of this year and the last 6 games of last year, this year's group gave up the same in points, but gave up over 35 fewer yards per game.
And we were somewhat short on players last year, but not nearly to the extent of this year. And if we were, the fact that our defense went down hill in the last 6 games last year tells me this year's staff handled having no depth in a better way, as our defense didn't really get any worse over the course of the year, but in fact a bit better in the last 6 games.
Ok. I'll give you a cookie.
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I don't think Tub's outrecruited the clowns as much as he "coached them up" beyond their supposed ratings, the ratings we try to follow.
Georgia does and has pushed us around consistently in recruiting. We lose the battle of the line of scrimage by the half of each game.
The conception or misconception is that Tennessee has a top ten class each season. That is what I have taken from following recruiting during every season of Fulmer until he faded toward the end. ( has a familiar ring to it)
We never heard of Tate like he was Seastrunk, Lattimore or Dyer. We did not. But more often than not we get word that Tub's is looking at a kid who can tote it from MARYLAND. My first thought was though Auburn is seen by many as RB U., Maryland is a long way to...Auburn,AL., which is why I am pumped about Chizik going more national in the search. I was not knocking one of the toughest RBs that AU has ever had. This guy, it turns out, is probably more durable than "most" of the others that I have seen.
No way this defense, with all of it's injuries and run-offs can be compared to the '08 bunch except by inconsistency. This D had no depth. They couldn't rest. The DL got gassed by the half and the DBs (see UGA) faltered late. Teams knew they could wear Auburn down. Northwestern! WVU last year was the same.
The effort was there. These guys manned-up all season against deeper teams.
We couldn't blitz enough early for fear of fading even faster. I think they went in against Alabama a bit differently.
What else have I failed to address?
Alabama Georgia and LSU have way more talent AND depth.
Arkansas okay I concede that, but Kentucky (with the veteran DL stopped the run on many teams).
And I still think that this is already the best that Auburn has ever recruited according to what we go by, look at the speed, this is LSU, Florida speed on paper(overall)
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See all that shit on the table in front of that motherfucker? That's why.
(http://media.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/photo/nick-saban-trophiesjpg-88bd43c8049477b5_large.jpg)
Meh. You can see that at Walmarks.
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No discussion needed on my part. Luper seems legit.
Yall tired of Gus already?
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Yall tired of Gus already?
Some dumbasses are, they'd just rather have Coach Franklin back....just so they can come back and say "told you so". Then many years later they'd be able to say, "Remember back in 2010 when I was right about Auburn falling flat on their faces into a pile of steaming shit? Well, that means I'm right about this subject (whatever the subject is)."
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Some dumbasses are, they'd just rather have Coach Franklin back....just so they can come back and say "told you so". Then many years later they'd be able to say, "Remember back in 2010 when I was right about Auburn falling flat on their faces into a pile of steaming shit? Well, that means I'm right about this subject (whatever the subject is)."
I thought yall set some offensive records this year with what was supposedly subpar talent. I want to see what happens when the hosses arrive. Should be fun times.
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Meh. You can see that at Walmarks.
An Arkansas fan attempting humor with Wal-Mart jokes? There's a word for that.
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An Arkansas fan attempting humor with Wal-Mart jokes? There's a word for that.
Hi-fuckin'-larious
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Hi-phukin'-larious
That Walmart is just 10 miles from my home. I nearly walked into a crimson ambush.
Malzahn stays as long as he wants.
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That Walmart is just 10 miles from my home. I nearly walked into a crimson ambush.
Malzahn stays as long as he wants.
True Dat.
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An Arkansas fan attempting humor with Wal-Mart jokes? There's a word for that.
What do you mean, attempting?
That mobile home place at Sylacauga doesn't have enough parking space for the crowds.
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jmar, there is something to a lot of what you're saying, but Ben Tate was the Maryland player of the year and was the #7 running back in the country. That was no small thing, it's just that the coverage is X10 these days. More has also been made of the guys we're after because this is a first year staff. Tuberville getting a top 10 running back was not big news back then. Just like when we got Tray Blackmon...he was the #1 linebacker in the entire country that year.
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WHERE IS THE GAY THREAD HIJACK?
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jmar, there is something to a lot of what you're saying, but Ben Tate was the Maryland player of the year and was the #7 running back in the country. That was no small thing, it's just that the coverage is X10 these days. More has also been made of the guys we're after because this is a first year staff. Tuberville getting a top 10 running back was not big news back then. Just like when we got Tray Blackmon...he was the #1 linebacker in the entire country that year.
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/johnofbham/Monty%20Python/British.jpg)
I stand corrected on Tate. During that particular time I think I was only getting a recruiting magazine focusing on the immediate south. I was aware of Blackmon.I think you will agree at least in part how well Chizik, staff and team responded this season after that painful 2008 season. And this seasons team played better than expected.
That in itself is overall improvement. Chizik should get the acknowledgement at least.
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Whatever. :taunt:
Says the blogger?
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WHERE IS THE GAY THREAD HIJACK?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
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Says the blogger?
That made a lot of sense.
So, I'm not legitimate because I write for a website? However, Mike Tankersley at The Montgomery Advertiser is legitimate even though he yells "Roll Tide" at Media Days press conferences, cries when listening to Terri Saban speak, or admittedly downplays or ignore Auburn stories because he grew up worshiping The Bahr?
Okay. :taunt:
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What do you mean, attempting?
That mobile home place at Sylacauga doesn't have enough parking space for the crowds.
Buy one. Or don't. I don't care.
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Yall tired of Gus already?
Not at all. Just thinking ahead.
Buy one. Or don't. I don't care.
My wife's boyfriend hit me in the head with a fence post.
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Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Do you like gladiator movies, Billy?
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That made a lot of sense.
So, I'm not legitimate because I write for a website? However, Mike Tankersley at The Montgomery Advertiser is legitimate even though he yells "Roll Tide" at Media Days press conferences, cries when listening to Terri Saban speak, or admittedly downplays or ignore Auburn stories because he grew up worshiping The Bahr?
Okay. :taunt:
Sounds like someone has a hard on for a certain Montgomery Advertiser writer, because I don't see any mention of your "friend" Tank anywhere on Jumbo's posts....Oh well to each his own.
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Sounds like someone has a hard on for a certain Montgomery Advertiser writer, because I don't see any mention of your "friend" Tank anywhere on Jumbo's posts....Oh well to each his own.
Listened to his spew while co-hosting a radio show on gameday Saturdays. Nah, I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm not nearly as credible as you behind your keyboard.
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By the way, we're sitting at Top 5 in BOTH recruiting sites now.
Apparently, we have been for a while, because Scout lists our previous rank as 5 as well.
Looking forward to some steak on you.
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This little steak bet is going to be interesting.
I see we're #4 and #5 on Rivals and Scout. ESPN hasn't updated in almost a month, so it's hard to know, but I don't see us in the their top 5 as of right now, but still top 10 I'm sure.
A big thing to watch though are the teams right behind us that have more to add to their class. We know we'll be adding 5 or 6 more if we can.
I looked at the ESPN classes, and they have a "also considering" tab to click on that shows most of the recruits that are still considering a program. Looking at that and at how many commitments each program currently has, I have made a little list of the teams that have potential to pass us.
USC is the main one, for two reasons. First, they only have 14 commitments and are still rated #7 on Rivals, #11 on ESPN, and #15 on Scout. And second, they have 10 players still considering them that are rated an 80 or higher on ESPN (Auburn has 7 80+ committed right now and two more considering us), and of those, four are rated 83 or higher (there are only about 45 guys in the whole country rated 83 or higher). USC has ten 80+ already committed and could add as many as 8 more.
Georgia only has 19 commitments as of now and could add as many as 7 more (because they have two already enrolled). Of those still considering Georgia, three of them are rated 80+ by ESPN, with two more a 79.
Florida State, along with USC, is the team I think most likely to move up quickly and possibly pass us. They are #11 on Rivals, but only have 21 commitments as of now. They have four guys already enrolled, so they potentially could be adding 8 or 9 more recruits. They currently have five guys that are rated 80+ that are considering them, and they are considered favorites for quite a few of them. They could finish strong and shoot into the top. Whether Lemonier goes to Auburn or FSU could determine who finishes in front of who.
Penn State only has 18 commitments right now, but they're ranked #9 on Rivals and #6 on Scout. They have room to add quite a few more recruits. The downside to them is that Lattimore recently removed them, which leaves only a couple of highly rated recruits that are known to still be considering them (only one 80+ according to ESPN). But still, with only 18 commitments, they could move up just by adding bodies.
LSU is rated #6 on Rivals and #7 on Scout, but they already have 25 commitments, and only one of them is currently enrolled. That being the case, they look to only be adding 4 more to their class. However, they do have at least three that are rated 80+ that are still considering them. If they get all of those guys and Auburn misses on Lattimore and Whitaker....that could be the difference in who ends up on top.
So, as of right now, Auburn is in the top 5, but there are quite a few teams that could still make a move. If Auburn lands Lattimore, Whitaker, Lemonier, and Jones...I don't think anyone else could pass us with the exception of USC. USC just still has so many spots open that they could make a a huge move, maybe even catching up to Florida.
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On another note, I think there's a very real chance that Auburn passes uat in at least one of these polls, and possibly even both. Note that this was not part of the bet, but something he threw in arbitrarily. It wouldn't be highly unlikely that I would win that bet as well, had we agreed on it.
They're currently one spot ahead of us in both. Not that they won't have anything in their pipeline, but if everything plays out the way it could for us...
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On another note, I think there's a very real chance that Auburn passes uat in at least one of these polls, and possibly even both. Note that this was not part of the bet, but something he threw in arbitrarily. It wouldn't be highly unlikely that I would win that bet as well, had we agreed on it.
They're currently one spot ahead of us in both. Not that they won't have anything in their pipeline, but if everything plays out the way it could for us...
Do you know how many more Alabama plans on taking? According to Rivals, they already have 8 enrolled(?)....is that right? Sure seems like a lot. Also, looking at who is still considering them, James Stone looks to be the biggest one still uncommitted. Christian Jones is in there, but I think FSU and Florida are both in from of Bama on him. Delvin Jones is a possibility, but he could still end up at Tennessee.
If Alabama gets Stone, Delvin Jones, and maybe another 1 or 2 guys like Vincent Sanders (4-star WR), and Auburn gets Lattimore, Whitaker, Lemonier and Jones...I would say you could be right...we could potentially pass them.
The question mark is how many they plan on taking. I can't make sense of Rivals showing 8 early enrollment guys, but maybe they do. I wonder how many count towards last years class? Bammers? Anyone know?
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By the way, we're sitting at Top 5 in BOTH recruiting sites now.
Apparently, we have been for a while, because Scout lists our previous rank as 5 as well.
Looking forward to some steak on you.
Oh, well. Looks like I was wrong on this. Good for Auburn. Enjoy your steak should all things remain.
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Do you know how many more Alabama plans on taking? According to Rivals, they already have 8 enrolled(?)....is that right? Sure seems like a lot. Also, looking at who is still considering them, James Stone looks to be the biggest one still uncommitted. Christian Jones is in there, but I think FSU and Florida are both in from of Bama on him. Delvin Jones is a possibility, but he could still end up at Tennessee.
If Alabama gets Stone, Delvin Jones, and maybe another 1 or 2 guys like Vincent Sanders (4-star WR), and Auburn gets Lattimore, Whitaker, Lemonier and Jones...I would say you could be right...we could potentially pass them.
The question mark is how many they plan on taking. I can't make sense of Rivals showing 8 early enrollment guys, but maybe they do. I wonder how many count towards last years class? Bammers? Anyone know?
We do have 8 early enrollments. Only taking 4 more though.
James Stone ****
Arie Kouandjio ****
Getting serious consideration from William Gholston. Some believe he may flip on signing day, but I have no idea. He's a 5 star.
Also 4 star Calvin Smith is visiting this weekend and has implied that he really likes Bama.
Other than that, I'm not sure. Looks like it will definitely be close on Rivals. I'm not sure about Scout.
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We do have 8 early enrollments. Only taking 4 more though.
James Stone ****
Arie Kouandjio ****
Getting serious consideration from William Gholston. Some believe he may flip on signing day, but I have no idea. He's a 5 star.
Also 4 star Calvin Smith is visiting this weekend and has implied that he really likes Bama.
Other than that, I'm not sure. Looks like it will definitely be close on Rivals. I'm not sure about Scout.
Those 8 don't count back, since there wasn't any open spots from last year's class. So, that means SPuat will have to cut around 13 players off the team....anyone been in trouble with the law, lately? Broke any rules, lately?
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Looks like including ESPN would have been safe as well...
Auburn #5. Pre-Mack.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/classrankings?classyear=2010&classmonth=1&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2fclassrankings%3fclassyear%3d2010%26classmonth%3d1 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/classrankings?classyear=2010&classmonth=1&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2fclassrankings%3fclassyear%3d2010%26classmonth%3d1)
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Looks like including ESPN would have been safe as well...
Auburn #5. Pre-Mack.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/classrankings?classyear=2010&classmonth=1&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2fclassrankings%3fclassyear%3d2010%26classmonth%3d1 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/classrankings?classyear=2010&classmonth=1&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2frecruiting%2fclassrankings%3fclassyear%3d2010%26classmonth%3d1)
Return of the Mack.