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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Prowler on January 01, 2010, 03:45:16 PM
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I'll have all the records that were broken and the stats, very shortly.
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I'll have all the records that were broken and the stats, very shortly.
Waiting for the Rivals/Scout/ESPN articles skreets?
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Waiting for the Rivals/Scout/ESPN articles skreets?
Please. He was tabulating all of the stats wearing his Snuggie as they played.
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Team Records/Offense:
First Downs:
Most first downs: 34 - Northwestern, 2010 (30 - Purdue, 2000)
Passing:
Northwestern, 2010 *just about all of them*
Total Offense:
Single Team Records: Northwestern, 2010
Both Team Records: Northwestern and Auburn, 2010
Scoring:
Total Points: 73 - Auburn and Northwestern (68 - Michigan and Florida 2003)
Team Records/Defense:
Passing:
Interceptions: 5 - Walter Mcfadden, T'Sharvan Bell, Neiko Thorpe; Auburn, 2010 (4 - Wisconsin '95 & Michigan '94)
All of the Negative Passing Defensive Records:
Auburn, 2010 *all of them*
Individual Records:
Passing:
Attempts: 78 - M. Kafka, NW, 2010 (60 - Drew Brees, Purdue, 2000)
Completions: 47 - M. Kafka (36 - D. Brees)
Yardage: 533 yds - M. Kafka (378 yds- D. Brees)
Interceptions: 5 - M. Kafka (4 - Spence Fischer, Duke, 1995)
Most Plays from scrimmage: 98 - M. Kafka (69 - D. Brees)
Most Yards from scrimmage: 562 yds - M. Kafka (374 yds - D. Brees)
Scoring:
Most Points scored: 30 - M. Kafka (24 - Chris Perry, Michigan, 2003)
Most Touchdowns: 5 - M. Kafka (4 - C. Perry)
Interceptions:
Longest Return: 102 yds - Walter Mcfadden, Auburn, 2010 (88 yds - Dwayne Rudd, SPuat, 1997)
**Records Tied**
Receiving:
Most Receptions: 12 - Darvin Adams, Auburn, 2010 (tied with Chris Daniels, Purdue, 2000 and Hines Ward, UGA, 1998)
Most Tds receiving: 2 - A. Brewer, NW, 2010 (tied with a lot of players)
Intercetptions:
Passes Int.: 2 - W. Mcfadden and T'Sharven Bell, Auburn, 2010 (tied with 6 other players)
Most ret. for TD: 1 - W. Mcfadden (tied with 6 other players)
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I feel like I just read through a bunch of "WHAT THE FUCK AUBURN PASS DEFENSE" along with one section of "lots of INTS War Eagle."
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Also the 38 points are the most points that Auburn has scored in a bowl game.
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I'll say that was one helluva football game. That would have been a good one to watch in person.
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The only problem I have with this staff is Roof. There has to be a better option out there.
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The only problem I have with this staff is Roof. There has to be a better option out there.
I think he's the weak link on the staff, besides of course Chizik.
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I think he's the weak link on the staff, besides of course Chizik.
Roof's problem is that he doesn't have a blueprint.
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The only problem I have with this staff is Roof. There has to be a better option out there.
But we don't have to worry about Roof. Chizik is a defensive genius. At least that was the story earlier.
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Usually whenever you only have 15-16 players to play for your defense, you're extremely short handed in how you call a game, on top of that, most of those players play on special teams too....Just to open y'alls eyes a little bit more, some of the starters and 2nd string players are either Redshirt Freshmen, True Freshmen or walk-ons. Also, some of those starters or 2nd stringers are playing in different defensive positions than what they're used to. So yeah, lets fire Coach Roof...he's horrible...Hell, lets just go ahead and fire the whole staff, Auburn's ranked in the Top 5 in recruiting...that's just unacceptable.
How 'bout we get some players that can ball out there on defense, before we jump the gun on any of the coaches. Nah, that would just make too much sense...FIRE EVERYONE, BURN THE CAMPUS DOWN TO THE GROUND!!!!!! :rolleyes:
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I, for one, was extrememly proud of the way our Defensive Line, Darren Bates, Walt McFadden, Neiko Thorpe and a couple others on the D. These guys played their guts out and I'm excited about this Auburn Tiger team for the immediate future. So, no, there's not one coach on the Auburn Coaching Staff that'll be let go...as there shouldn't be. Now, if we're still having this discussion two years from now, changes will be made.
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Damn Prowler you need to calm down a bit. I said coach Roof, not every fucking coach. I'm extremely pleased with the rest of the staff. I just think that Roof is the weakest link. We gave up over 600 yards for fucks sake.
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That was the ugliest most painful football game I have ever watched. Eh but we won.
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We gave up over 600 yards for fucks sake.
....to an offense that is extremely predictable and one dimensional. I mean, shit, knowing whether they are going to run or pass is half the battle.
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Usually whenever you only have 15-16 players to play for your defense, you're extremely short handed in how you call a game, on top of that, most of those players play on special teams too....Just to open y'alls eyes a little bit more, some of the starters and 2nd string players are either Redshirt Freshmen, True Freshmen or walk-ons. Also, some of those starters or 2nd stringers are playing in different defensive positions than what they're used to. So yeah, lets fire Coach Roof...he's horrible...Hell, lets just go ahead and fire the whole staff, Auburn's ranked in the Top 5 in recruiting...that's just unacceptable.
How 'bout we get some players that can ball out there on defense, before we jump the gun on any of the coaches. Nah, that would just make too much sense...FIRE EVERYONE, BURN THE CAMPUS DOWN TO THE GROUND!!!!!! :rolleyes:
I told people you were retarded. They read this and believed it.
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I told people you were retarded. They read this and believed it.
Facts escape most bammers...They read your statements, they'll think you're in their same raft.
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Ah yes, the ol' guilt by association thing...
Interesting!
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But we don't have to worry about Roof. Chizik is a defensive genius. At least that was the story earlier.
That was my position. I wasn't worried at all. I am now.
Causes? Depth is certainly an issue. The 4th quarter collapses this season were epic.
The schemes are to be blamed as well.
I'm admittedly confounded on the issue.
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That was my position. I wasn't worried at all. I am now.
Causes? Depth is certainly an issue. The 4th quarter collapses this season were epic.
The schemes are to be blamed as well.
I'm admittedly confounded on the issue.
I must admit that I have to side some what with Prowler here. There are 2 reasons why I think we played the way we did.
1) We really do have very little depth on the defensive side of the ball. I am HOPING that we played very vanilla on defense for this reason. If you blitz every down, you are going to have to play man in the Secondary and even at the LB spot some. Playing man takes up a hell of a lot more energy than playing zone. In zone, you cover the man entering your zone. Man, you chase him all over the field. Not only that, but you have to think about the actual LB's that are blitzing. I would imagine it takes a whole hell of a lot more energy to blitz than play a base defense.
2) When you blitz, you are putting a lot of pressure on the secondary. We had a young secondary. We had true freshmen playing and freshman and sophs at every position except for McFadden. If you start blitzing, you have to have those guys man up. If one player gets beat, it's over. I don't think Roof and Chizik wanted to put our young secondary in that position. One missplay, it's 6. However, in zone, we may give up a ton of yardage, but we put the pressure on the offense to drive the entire length of the field. In my opinion, we were simply playing the odds.
Look, I am not totally sold on Roof (or Chiz for that matter), but Roof and Chizik didn't change their philosophy over night. Roof was known for a blitz/pressure intense defense. Why would he change that now? Because of Chizik? I don't think so. Chizik ran a lot of blitzes and put a lot of pressure on the offense too. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now knowing what they had to work with.
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If you can't get pressure inside you have to create it, and we don't have enough depth to get too creative, especially against a team that is putting it up like N'western.
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I must admit that I have to side some what with Prowler here. There are 2 reasons why I think we played the way we did.
1) We really do have very little depth on the defensive side of the ball. I am HOPING that we played very vanilla on defense for this reason. If you blitz every down, you are going to have to play man in the Secondary and even at the LB spot some. Playing man takes up a hell of a lot more energy than playing zone. In zone, you cover the man entering your zone. Man, you chase him all over the field. Not only that, but you have to think about the actual LB's that are blitzing. I would imagine it takes a whole hell of a lot more energy to blitz than play a base defense.
2) When you blitz, you are putting a lot of pressure on the secondary. We had a young secondary. We had true freshmen playing and freshman and sophs at every position except for McFadden. If you start blitzing, you have to have those guys man up. If one player gets beat, it's over. I don't think Roof and Chizik wanted to put our young secondary in that position. One missplay, it's 6. However, in zone, we may give up a ton of yardage, but we put the pressure on the offense to drive the entire length of the field. In my opinion, we were simply playing the odds.
Look, I am not totally sold on Roof (or Chiz for that matter), but Roof and Chizik didn't change their philosophy over night. Roof was known for a blitz/pressure intense defense. Why would he change that now? Because of Chizik? I don't think so. Chizik ran a lot of blitzes and put a lot of pressure on the offense too. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now knowing what they had to work with.
All that is happy stuff.
Fact remains that with essentially the same defensive personnel (granted we did lose Jerraud Powers, who appears to a much better player than he was ever allowed to become at Auburn) the defense fell completely the fuck apart.
Some dropoff due to the loss of Powers, McNeill and Marks was to be expected. But it should not have fallen this far this fast.
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All that is happy stuff.
Fact remains that with essentially the same defensive personnel (granted we did lose Jerraud Powers, who appears to a much better player than he was ever allowed to become at Auburn) the defense fell completely the fuck apart.
Some dropoff due to the loss of Powers, McNeill and Marks was to be expected. But it should not have fallen this far this fast.
Agreed. I just think there is more to it than the coaching...in my humble and could be wrong opinion...
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Agreed. I just think there is more to it than the coaching...in my humble and could be wrong opinion...
Something is amiss -- and it starts with coaching. May not end there, but it definitely starts there.
Depth does not explain away piss poor tackling technique. It does not justify people being out of position consistently. It does not make sense of the fact that arguably the best linebacker on the team (Freeman) spends long stretches watching the game from his comfy seat on the sidelines.
There was an attitude, a sense of tenacity that seemed to be missing. Swagger, if you will.
Why do you play nine yards off a receiver on third and four? Why, when what you've been doing has been working all fucking day long, do you allow your asshole to tighten up and revert back to laying off and keeping everything underneath (the last Alabama drive). Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'd like somebody to go back and watch to confirm. On their last drive, we changed everything we'd been doing and consciously tried to keep everything in front of us. That freed up Thuggio Jones on the short patterns -- because they played 12 yards off him. Fuck... I could have run those routes. A mountain gorilla could have.
Maybe that was all we could do. But I think the first 53 minutes of the Alabama game showed we were capable of more.
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I don't claim to know where the issues are yet, but I DO know that when four players play all 110 plays on defense, that's a problem.
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Something is amiss -- and it starts with coaching. May not end there, but it definitely starts there.
Depth does not explain away piss poor tackling technique. It does not justify people being out of position consistently. It does not make sense of the fact that arguably the best linebacker on the team (Freeman) spends long stretches watching the game from his comfy seat on the sidelines.
There was an attitude, a sense of tenacity that seemed to be missing. Swagger, if you will.
Why do you play nine yards off a receiver on third and four? Why, when what you've been doing has been working all phuking day long, do you allow your butthole to tighten up and revert back to laying off and keeping everything underneath (the last Alabama drive). Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'd like somebody to go back and watch to confirm. On their last drive, we changed everything we'd been doing and consciously tried to keep everything in front of us. That freed up Thuggio Jones on the short patterns -- because they played 12 yards off him. phuk... I could have run those routes. A mountain gorilla could have.
Maybe that was all we could do. But I think the first 53 minutes of the Alabama game showed we were capable of more.
I think both sides have valid points, and for sanity's sake, I'm not going back to the last drive of the Alabama game. Freeman can't cover people on passing downs, I think that's all there is to his lack of playing time. Hopefully between now and next season he becomes at least adequate.
On the loss of personnel from last year to this year, I don't think that losing just those players is what caused the change in yards allowed. I think losing those players (with virtually no one to replace them) made them play with a different philosophy, and that change in philosophy is what led to the enormous change in results.
I think Chizik and Roof knew we would have two choices this year.
Option one, play all out, aggressive, blitz, etc, and probably be pretty sound (good, but not great) defensively for about 4-5 games. But then, the reality of the depth and youth would set in and we would probably be among the worst in the nation the last 7-8 games. The fact is we had about 3 scholarship linebackers for most of the year (for a long stretch, we had three scholarship players, one a true freshman, and a walk-on as our top 4).
Stephens and Bynes played nearly every down of every game this year and should receive metals for their efforts. So with option one, we would probably be around #20-30 in defense for the beginning of the year, then end the year at about #100+ and likely look really, really bad for the majority of the year, especially down the stretch against our tougher opponents...probably wouldn't have won the Ole Miss game, wouldn't have been in the Georgia game (which, in my opinion, is the main game we loss because of depth in the 4th quarter against the run), and wouldn't have been in the Alabama game.
Option two was to tip-toe through each game, being as conservative as possible, while still trying to do the best with what we had. This would probably result in being around the #60 or 70 defense, but it would also give us the best shot at being the #60 or #70 defense for the entire year, from game #1 to game #12, looking pretty good occassionally, and looking really bad occassionally.
It's easy to sit back where we are and look at what's happening and throw stones. We didn't have to make the decisions to determine what was the best option to pick out of some pretty poopty options. I'm going to trust that these guys knew better than any of us about what they had to pick from and that they made the best decision to help us stay competitive for the most games possible this year.
We finished #68 in total defense this year. Had we not played our cards right from the beginning, we could easily have been Arkansas (#89), or Iowa State (#99), or Texas A&M (#105), or Florida State (#108). But with no depth and a lot of youth, we managed to finish #68.
Here are some numbers for example. In our last 6 games this year, we gave up 337 yards per game and 26.6 points. That's not great, but it's actually 37 yards better than our season average and 1 point better than our season average. Last year, in the last 6 games of the year, we gave up 386 yards per game and 24.8 points per game. That was 69 yards worse than our season average last year and 7 points worse than the season average.
My point is that this year, we actually performed better down the stretch than we did last year. Last year, we came out with it all on the table and threw everything at them in every game from day one. But down the stretch, we were beat. We were dead. Partly because the offense was so lame (but check the number of plays our defense played last year vs this year, it's not much different), but mostly because we didn't have the depth to keep up what we were doing.
I'm not saying Chizik is a defensive genius, but I still believe he proved in the past that with good players and depth, he is smart enough and a good enough coach to lead a very good defense. He's bought himself another few years to fill the roster and prove that true. As Kaos hates to hear....we'll just have to wait and see.
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I'm not saying Chizik is a defensive genius, but I still believe he proved in the past that with good players and depth, he is smart enough and a good enough coach to lead a very good defense.
A monkey with good players and plenty of depth can look like a genius, too.
The ones who make it work when those things are lacking are the ones who can really make a difference.
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If there is not improvement next year, then we can say it is definitely coaching.
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A monkey with good players and plenty of depth can look like a genius, too.
The ones who make it work when those things are lacking are the ones who can really make a difference.
Mickey Andrews is no monkey, and he has good players and managed to finish #108.
Texas A&M's D-coordinator is ole Joe Kines. He has decent players and has 3 times as many linebackers on scholarship...and he finished #105.
I'm still thinking that they actually did the best with what we had. Was every decision the best? No way, but no one pulls that off.
Besides, it's looking like better players are coming in, so even if Chizik is a monkey, it looks like we'll be okay.
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Mickey Andrews is no monkey, and he has good players and managed to finish #108.
Texas A&M's D-coordinator is ole Joe Kines. He has decent players and has 3 times as many linebackers on scholarship...and he finished #105.
I'm still thinking that they actually did the best with what we had. Was every decision the best? No way, but no one pulls that off.
Besides, it's looking like better players are coming in, so even if Chizik is a monkey, it looks like we'll be okay.
Mickey Andrews and Joe Kines aspire to be monkeys.
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Mickey Andrews and Joe Kines aspire to be monkeys.
Retired, out of their prime, monkeys.
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Mickey Andrews and Joe Kines aspire to be monkeys.
You're right, Florida State's defense has been their weak link the last 25 years. :blink:
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Retired, out of their prime, monkeys.
FSU was 15th in total defense just last year.
Kines had Alabama at #23 in just 2006.
They are old, they are retired, but they aren't and never have been monkeys.
Besides, saying a monkey can coach great players addresses pretty much 1% of what my post was about. I still say, as hard as it was to watch sometimes this year, I think they actually made decisions that gave us the best chance to win the most games.
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They are old, they are retired, but they aren't and never have been monkeys.
(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/02/medium_kines.jpg)
(http://www.quizlaw.com/blog/images/howling-monkey.jpg)
The only difference is the shirt and hat.
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:rofl: :clap:
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(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/02/medium_kines.jpg)
(http://www.quizlaw.com/blog/images/howling-monkey.jpg)
The only difference is the shirt and hat.
I would have gone with this one myself.