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Title: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
I'm glad that Bama still teaches "holding" as a blocking technique.

I'm less glad that the fucking refs allow them to do so.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Bama can't pitch and catch. Lucky for us.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:11:04 PM
Bama can't pitch and catch. Lucky for us.

The defense looks much better this week.

Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 04:14:37 PM
The defense looks much better this week.


We have a good run defense. A passing team can kill us.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:16:05 PM
We have a good run defense. A passing team can kill us.

Luckily Bama can't live on the passing game alone.

 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 04:18:14 PM
Hog Ballz.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Kaos on September 26, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
I'm glad that Bama still teaches "holding" as a blocking technique.

I'm less glad that the phuking refs allow them to do so.

This disturbs me as well.  When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?  

It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them.  I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.  

Why?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
Hog Ballz.

Strong  play call.

Run all over dey ass.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
This disturbs me as well.  When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?  

It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them.  I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.  

Why?


Cuz you don't fuck with turdition.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
That sucks for Hightower.  Hate to see the kids get hurt.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 04:25:17 PM
That sucks for Hightower.  Hate to see the kids get hurt.
He looked like he knows it's bad. Hate that.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:48:02 PM
Ouch...the trickeration gets the Hogs.

Julio on the board for the first time in a long time.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 26, 2009, 05:01:39 PM
Not a single post on the young freshman's run?  If I didn't know any better I'd think you guys were a bit biased.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
Not a single post on the young freshman's run?  If I didn't know any better I'd think you guys were a bit biased.
You wait until yall are in the lead to post? If I didn't know better I'd think you were chickenshit.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 26, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
You wait until yall are in the lead to post? If I didn't know better I'd think you were chickenpoop.

Dude, we scored like 25 minutes ago.  What the fuck are you even talking about?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
Dude, we scored like 25 minutes ago.  What the fuck are you even talking about?
What wazs the score before before his run?
It was a good run. We had a bunch of missed tackles. You didn't post before his run when the game was still 0-0. You've turned into a real mommy part the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 26, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
What wazs the score before before his run?
It was a good run. We had a bunch of missed tackles. You didn't post before his run when the game was still 0-0. You've turned into a real hair pie the last few weeks.

I didn't post about his run directly after either.  As a matter of fact we scored another time after his touchdown before I even left the bama boards to check out what was going on over here.  To be honest with you I didn't realize you would be posting over here and it never dawned on me to post on an Auburn forum induring an Alabama game.  When I saw the thread I gave it a read and posted about our first TD since the only one that was being talked about was the 2nd TD.  I thought the 1st one was more impressive.  I understand you're a little touchy but chill dude.  I haven't been disrespectful to you (that I know of) this week in any of the "let's get this started" threads.  Just commenting on the True Freshman's badass run.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: The Prowler on September 26, 2009, 05:34:45 PM
I didn't post about his run directly after either.  As a matter of fact we scored another time after his touchdown before I even left the bama boards to check out what was going on over here.  To be honest with you I didn't realize you would be posting over here and it never dawned on me to post on an Auburn forum induring an Alabama game.  When I saw the thread I gave it a read and posted about our first TD since the only one that was being talked about was the 2nd TD.  I thought the 1st one was more impressive.  I understand you're a little touchy but chill dude.  I haven't been disrespectful to you (that I know of) this week in any of the "let's get this started" threads.  Just commenting on the True Freshman's badass run.
Whatever...you're just trying to be a mommy part.  And yes, the Richardson run was pretty damn impressive, especially when he stopped on a dime and the LBer hit his leg as Richardson was starting to run pass him....other than that, it reminded me of Auburn's tackling against Noel Devine, just a bunch of grabbing at Richardson after he's already 5 yards pass.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: The Prowler on September 26, 2009, 05:41:33 PM
Let's see which team has made the necessary Halftime adjustments.

So Far:
UA I (7)
SPuat III (21)

That's the ballgame, with 7:00 left to go in the 3rd Qtr...
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 26, 2009, 06:28:32 PM
I would just like to reiterate......

Fuck Arkansas.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 07:05:46 PM
I would just like to reiterate......

Fuck Arkansas.
We be not contenders. We be spoilers from now on.
Bama is tough against teams with no defense.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 07:16:03 PM
We got beat like the #3 team in the country should beat unranked opps at home. Feel better?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Argo on September 26, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
Bama is tough against teams with no defense.

It was great that our offense was able to score touchdowns, but don't kid yourself.  We could have beat yall today with Missouri State's offense.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 26, 2009, 07:26:04 PM
We be not contenders. We be spoilers from now on.
Bama is tough against teams with no defense.
Everybody knew the defense wouldn't be much of a matchup. The question was Mallett. I think that question has been resoundingly answered. One thing, though. They would have been smart to pick on Kareem Jackson a little more. He costs us at least one TD a game. I don't know what his issue is, but he has got to start looking for the ball when his man starts looking back, or jumps in the air for that matter.

I think something else Alabama continues to show is even if you shut down our run, or it doesn't go as well as we would like, we are still a threat throwing the ball. Thats not so much a dimension we had last season.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 26, 2009, 07:31:36 PM
Everybody knew the defense wouldn't be much of a matchup. The question was Mallett. I think that question has been resoundingly answered. One thing, though. They would have been smart to pick on Kareem Jackson a little more. He costs us at least one TD a game. I don't know what his issue is, but he has got to start looking for the ball when his man starts looking back, or jumps in the air for that matter.

I think something else Alabama continues to show is even if you shut down our run, or it doesn't go as well as we would like, we are still a threat throwing the ball. Thats not so much a dimension we had last season.

Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.

Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's

Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT

Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 26, 2009, 07:35:49 PM
This disturbs me as well.  When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?  

It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them.  I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.  

Why?
I can show you some pics from the North Texas game of them holding on some plays. Same thing from the VT game. I don't see you bitching about that. There was a facemask on the end of one of Arenas' plays that wasn't called. Nothing from you. Uncalled roughing the passer on the jump pass. No tears, yet again. Pretty sure I saw a few uncalled Arky holds as well. But hey, all that is OK. Only uncalled penalties against Alabama deserve the bullshit flag to be thrown up. Oh, and we're the only team that consistantly gets away with holding players? Man, I guess we're paying those refs. Your argument is petty.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 26, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.

Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's

Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT


Yeah, and who was the question mark supposedly according to rival fanbases entering the season? I will take McElroy's 213 rating in the Arky game any day. Our win wasn't nearly as dominating as last season's against them, but the results were largely the same. McElroy isn't next in line for the Heisman or anything, but I think he is above the level of "serviceable" so far. We're only 4 games in, but still, he could have shit the bed for that matter if he was just that bad. The good thing? He is only a Junior.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 10:50:21 PM
Good game. I'd rather get beat by a good team than lose a game that we should have won. Yall beat us all around. I hope yall go far. The SEC needs someone to rise to the top.
It's down to yall and Auburn in the west. Yall are both in the cat bird's seat.
We didn't play up to our potential today for whatever reason, but yall were the better team anyways. I just wish that we had have given yall more competition.
Yall have a helluva defense. If yall can get the pitch and catch down, yall may go places. Yall may have had another couple of scores against us if your receivers could catch the ball. That may be crucial on down the line.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jesus on September 26, 2009, 11:18:33 PM

I would just like to reiterate......

phuk Arkansas.



I would just like to reiterate......

Stay classy Alabama
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: boartitz on September 26, 2009, 11:26:40 PM

I would just like to reiterate......

Stay classy Alabama
+8 on the bottle.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Jumbo on September 27, 2009, 06:10:05 AM
Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.

Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's

Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT


Chris "Trust In Gus" Todd  19-26 287 yards 5 Td's, 0 Int's 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 27, 2009, 08:37:03 AM
Chris "Trust In Gus" Todd  19-26 287 yards 5 Td's, 0 Int's 


How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds)  ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2009, 10:32:48 AM
How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds)  ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))


Let's see. 

You fucks were trumpeting McElroy for Heisman after that huge, massive, glorious win over (North) Texas. 

Arkansas gave up 294 KABILLION yards to Georgia.  McElroy and the Tahd wasn't as effective as the Bulldogs were.

McElroy is a ginger homosexual. 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 27, 2009, 12:30:24 PM


Let's see. 

You fucks were trumpeting McElroy for Heisman after that huge, massive, glorious win over (North) Texas. 

Arkansas gave up 294 KABILLION yards to Georgia.  McElroy and the Tahd wasn't as effective as the Bulldogs were.

McElroy is a ginger homosexual. 
Please show me where anybody here was trumpeting McElroy for Heisman. I doubt it was happening all that much anywhere else, either. I would love for you to show me where the fanbase was collectively advocating McElroy for Heisman.

Alabama racked up 425 yards of offense yesterday. If not for two drops by Peek, and then a drop by Maze, we would have had over 500 yards. Those were plays where they were wide open and flat out dropped it. UGA had 530 yards against Arky. Alabama's game plan isn't quick scoring and just chunking it down field. The gameplan is to nickel and dime an opponent to death and hang on to the ball as long as possible on offense. We're averaging 490 yds/game, and total offense is ranked #8 in the country. I think this is the first game of the season we haven't hit 500 yards of offense, but still, I'll take it. We shut down the #2 offense in the country. 

You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Pell City Tiger on September 27, 2009, 01:29:24 PM
We shut down the #2 offense in the country. 

You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.
As rated by whom? Tidefans.com? Didn't you just contradict yourself? I think you did.

Here's an idea for you tiders .... go seek affirmation somewhere that people give a shit about what bammer does. You're not going to get it here.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Hogwally on September 27, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
There was a facemask on the end of one of Arenas' plays that wasn't called. Nothing from you.

     I wouldn't complain about missed facemask calls.  Right at the beginning of the game a defensive lineman went by and grabbed Mallet's facemask and about twisted his head off,  no call.

    We got beat by a better team, but we didn't do much to help ourselves, either.  When you are trying to pull off an upset, you just cannot make as many unforced errors as we had.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: ssgaufan on September 27, 2009, 02:26:48 PM
You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks.  It's only gonna get worse from this point forward. 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 27, 2009, 02:28:41 PM
You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks.  It's only gonna get worse from this point forward. 

pot and kettle and shit...
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Birmingham on September 27, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
pot and kettle and poop...

Yeah, VT blows.  That's why after 4 weeks of play they've worked their way directly back into the top 10 and not only that, they're ranked higher now than they were preseason.  So much for "preseason hype".
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
Please show me where anybody here was trumpeting McElroy for Heisman. I doubt it was happening all that much anywhere else, either. I would love for you to show me where the fanbase was collectively advocating McElroy for Heisman.

Alabama racked up 425 yards of offense yesterday. If not for two drops by Peek, and then a drop by Maze, we would have had over 500 yards. Those were plays where they were wide open and flat out dropped it. UGA had 530 yards against Arky. Alabama's game plan isn't quick scoring and just chunking it down field. The gameplan is to nickel and dime an opponent to death and hang on to the ball as long as possible on offense. We're averaging 490 yds/game, and total offense is ranked #8 in the country. I think this is the first game of the season we haven't hit 500 yards of offense, but still, I'll take it. We shut down the #2 offense in the country. 

You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.

This guy is the prototypical Bama fan.  He is the mold from which you are all created.  Him and Frank Crittenden are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase.  

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine)
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 27, 2009, 03:12:11 PM
You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks.  It's only gonna get worse from this point forward.  
The same could be said for AU in all four of your games. I doubt you want to make that argument. Or, are you guys still arguing that La Tech is actually a really good team and that WVU is as good or better than Va Tech?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 27, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
This guy is the prototypical Bama fan.  He is the mold from which you are all created.  Him and Frank Crittenden are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase.  

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine)
Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.

Just because I say so. See how easy that is?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2009, 03:59:30 PM
Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.

Just because I say so. See how easy that is?

Except you are wrong. 

See how easy that is? 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 27, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
As rated by whom? Tidefans.com? Didn't you just contradict yourself? I think you did.

Here's an idea for you tiders .... go seek affirmation somewhere that people give a shit about what bammer does. You're not going to get it here.
As rated by the NCAA, dumbass. Arky had the #2 total offense coming into yesterday.

#91 Rushing Offense
#2 Passing Offense
#8 Scoring Offense

#2 Total Offense

Did you just make yourself look like a dumbass? I think you did.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: ssgaufan on September 27, 2009, 04:04:03 PM
I said two of your first three jackasses.  And find a post where I was bragging about AUs offensive ranking.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Pell City Tiger on September 27, 2009, 04:16:14 PM
As rated by the NCAA, dumbass. Arky had the #2 total offense coming into yesterday.

#91 Rushing Offense
#2 Passing Offense
#8 Scoring Offense

#2 Total Offense

Did you just make yourself look like a dumbass? I think you did.
Another inflated ranking. This proves that early season statistics don't mean shit. Va Tech had the 107th ranked run defense, but you all touted it as the second coming of the steel curtain.
 
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O)
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 27, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
Another inflated ranking. This proves that early season statistics don't mean shit. Va Tech had the 107th ranked run defense, but you all touted it as the second coming of the steel curtain.
 
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O)
Ok then, you know that really high offensive ranking AU has? Just inflated. Early season statistics don't mean shit. Its funny how some of you will clamor over a high ranking AU has, but it doesn't count for any other team. I think most here were saying that Arky would be much improved this season. Mallett can certainly throw the ball. I think our defense is just that damn good. Even playing two backups the whole time, its that good. Say what you want, but out defensive rating of #2 certainly isn't inflated.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Pell City Tiger on September 27, 2009, 07:46:03 PM
Ok then, you know that really high offensive ranking AU has? Just inflated. Early season statistics don't mean shit. Its funny how some of you will clamor over a high ranking AU has, but it doesn't count for any other team. I think most here were saying that Arky would be much improved this season. Mallett can certainly throw the ball. I think our defense is just that damn good. Even playing two backups the whole time, its that good. Say what you want, but out defensive rating of #2 certainly isn't inflated.
Show me where I've said anything about our statistical ranking. Quit being a pussy.

Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AUChizad on September 27, 2009, 09:49:11 PM
Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.

Just because I say so. See how easy that is?
Fuck you.

If I'm an irrational homer, you're Sir Ricky of Rant.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 27, 2009, 11:48:30 PM
Fuck you.

If I'm an irrational homer, you're Sir Ricky of Rant.

I love how I keep getting thrown into this bullshit as well.  Show me where I'm all "ra-ra" and going crazy about how awesome shit is.  This is just the typical shit that RWS does that maintains that you can't take him seriously at times. 

I also love that RWS is suddenly generalizing our fan base, when he can't even identify his own. 
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AUChizad on September 28, 2009, 09:18:35 AM
I love how I keep getting thrown into this bullshit as well.  Show me where I'm all "ra-ra" and going crazy about how awesome shit is.  This is just the typical shit that RWS does that maintains that you can't take him seriously at times. 

I also love that RWS is suddenly generalizing our fan base, when he can't even identify his own. 
I'd like for him to point out specifically why we're ra-ra sunshine pumpers.

Because we suggested that Gene Chizik and the staff he assembled may not be a complete and utter failure on all levels? He may not be the most incompetent, completely incapable coach in SEC history? Yeah, we sure had no idea what we were talking about. That benevolent opposition that insisted we were water heads, sure read the future. Of the three new SEC hires, one is 4-0 and the others are 2-2.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AWK on September 28, 2009, 10:21:17 AM
I'd like for him to point out specifically why we're ra-ra sunshine pumpers.

Because we suggested that Gene Chizik and the staff he assembled may not be a complete and utter failure on all levels? He may not be the most incompetent, completely incapable coach in SEC history? Yeah, we sure had no idea what we were talking about. That benevolent opposition that insisted we were water heads, sure read the future. Of the three new SEC hires, one is 4-0 and the others are 2-2.
In their defense though, Tennessee played Florida and UCLA, and Miss State sucks.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
In their defense though, Tennessee played Florida and UCLA, and Miss State sucks.

This is true, and Miss State's two losses are to us and LSU.

Although I don't think Miss State and UCLA are that different.  I actually think Miss State is a decent team.  LSU is struggling a bit right now, but Miss State still has to be decent to be on the goal line with a chance to win it 31-30.

And this is just my opinion, but statistics and rankings aside, the eyeball test tells me that Alabama's defense is damn good.  Play-makers and studs all over the field.  I feel like almost every starter's name is a name you'll recognize by years end.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 11:13:52 AM
How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds)  ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))

Well, for one thing, having touchdown drives of 50 seconds, 33 seconds, and 31 seconds affects things pretty significantly.  And while 291 yards and 287 yards are basically identical, 5 TD passes and 3 TD passes are not nearly identical. 

I'm also trying to figure out what difference it makes what the two QBs stats look like compared to each other.  You do know they aren't the only ones that gather offensive statistics right?  Other QBs play, running backs carry the ball, etc. 

Todd produced 43% of our yards for the game.  He wasn't asked to do it all, as we also ran for 254 yards.  On the other hand, you guys pounded out an uninspiring 3.3 yards per carry to total 134 yards.  McElroy was asked to do a lot more in order win the game, which is fine, you gotta do what gotta do to win.

But you can't really compare the stats of the two QBs when one team also ran for 250+ yards.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds)  ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))

Lets compare shall we:

Alabama  Opp.            Defensive Rank                              Auburn   Opp.           Def Rank
Virginia Tech                   38                                              La Tech                     100
FIU                              118                                              Miss. St                       31
N. Texas                        84                                              WVU                            35
Arkansas                        91                                              Ball St                        104

Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5

McElmo = 63-93  67%   938 yds  7tds 1int
Todd    = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int

Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.


FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 11:43:54 AM
BTW using my above stats I can totally see why you guys deserve to be ranked #3 in the land and why we are unranked, playing those shit teams like we have. I mean FIU and North Texas just compete for the BCS year in and year out.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 28, 2009, 11:52:18 AM
Sooooooooo...Auburn has played two defenses that rate higher nationally than the Hokies D?
BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah...Auburn really hasn't played anybody.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 28, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Lets compare shall we:

Alabama  Opp.            Defensive Rank                              Auburn   Opp.           Def Rank
Virginia Tech                   38                                              La Tech                     100
FIU                              118                                              Miss. St                       31
N. Texas                        84                                              WVU                            35
Arkansas                        91                                              Ball St                        104

Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5

McElmo = 63-93  67%   938 yds  7tds 1int
Todd    = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int

Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.


FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!

 :pwnd:

We good?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: ssgaufan on September 28, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
Where o where did all the bammers go?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2009, 01:01:03 PM
Where o where did all the bammers go?


Facts are like kryptonite to a Bammer.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AUChizad on September 28, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
Lets compare shall we:

Alabama  Opp.            Defensive Rank                              Auburn   Opp.           Def Rank
Virginia Tech                   38                                              La Tech                     100
FIU                              118                                              Miss. St                       31
N. Texas                        84                                              WVU                            35
Arkansas                        91                                              Ball St                        104

Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5

McElmo = 63-93  67%   938 yds  7tds 1int
Todd    = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int

Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.


FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!
Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.

OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.

Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?

Well, damn...
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.

OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.

Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?

Well, damn...
Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AUChizad on September 28, 2009, 01:39:05 PM
Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".

Got it.

 :thumbsup: :vn: :bc:
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:42:52 PM
Well, for one thing, having touchdown drives of 50 seconds, 33 seconds, and 31 seconds affects things pretty significantly.  And while 291 yards and 287 yards are basically identical, 5 TD passes and 3 TD passes are not nearly identical. 

I'm also trying to figure out what difference it makes what the two QBs stats look like compared to each other.  You do know they aren't the only ones that gather offensive statistics right?  Other QBs play, running backs carry the ball, etc. 

Todd produced 43% of our yards for the game.  He wasn't asked to do it all, as we also ran for 254 yards.  On the other hand, you guys pounded out an uninspiring 3.3 yards per carry to total 134 yards.  McElroy was asked to do a lot more in order win the game, which is fine, you gotta do what gotta do to win.

But you can't really compare the stats of the two QBs when one team also ran for 250+ yards.
Good point, and I think its hard to compare the two anyways because one plays in a traditional offense, and the other plays in a wide open "system". Even the NFL is finding it difficult to evaluate system QBs.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".

Got it.

 :thumbsup: :vn: :bc:
Have you taken a look at that link yet?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 01:46:31 PM
Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal.  Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents.  Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them?   Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet.  These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.

And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that.  Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.  
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 01:51:51 PM

...NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".

Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 28, 2009, 01:54:52 PM
Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.

Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: weagle251 on September 28, 2009, 02:01:20 PM
Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)

Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:06:07 PM
Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal.  Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents.  Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them?   Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet.  These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.

And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that.  Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.  
So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm)

Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?
Thats pretty much the deal. Neither schedule is very difficult. Especially with how bad the SEC is this year (worse than last year, imo).
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm)

Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?
You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says.  Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree.  SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses.  You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played.  My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple.  You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo. 

What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced.  McElmo has looked good as well.  My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
Too early to say the SEC is down.  I thought they were down last year but in the end, they proved to be head and shoulders above every conference out there.  Florida is one of the elite.  Not completely sure about Bama but they are easily top 10.  LSU keeps winning but look very beatable in doing so.  They're either going to go in the dumper like last year or the chemistry will click and they start steamrolling people.  They have the talent.  Likewise with UGA.  The talent is there and they're breaking in a new QB and running back combo.  And right now, all jokes from the Bammers aside, I would think much of the conference is not real enthusiastic about playing Auburn.  

It's gong to have to play itself out a little longer before we can say where the SEC is.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Argo on September 28, 2009, 02:18:08 PM
I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks.  If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.  

Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:21:54 PM
Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.
I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks.  If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.  

I didn't start it, I just finished it.  We shall see...
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks.  If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.  




You take that back.  We are wll below average and you know it.  Bitch.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Argo on September 28, 2009, 02:29:15 PM

You take that back.  We are wll below average and you know it.  Bitch.

I was playing the role of a "kind visitor".  My original post before editing wasn't polite.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: RWS on September 28, 2009, 02:29:37 PM
You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says.  Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree.  SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses.  You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played.  My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple.  You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo. 

What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced.  McElmo has looked good as well.  My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.
Personally, I say its hard to compare the two to each other because of the systems they play in, and the philosophies. Certainly both of them have met and probably exceeded expectations to this point. Both of them are playing very well, in terms of doing what they are asked. Both of them seem well in command. You can compare them in those terms, but otherwise, I really think you're comparing apples to oranges if you want to get down to numbers.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 02:33:47 PM
I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.

Duh, and the exact same thing can be said of ours.  A lot of the run plays are actually almost identical (and come from things Joe Gibbs did, that he admittedly stole from what Tom Osborne).  

Almost none of it is new from Florida or Auburn.  It's how it's all combined, and new options added into a formation here or there to create some misdirection and confusion for the defense (also not new).  Then add in the forced tempo.  

I'm just confused on how Auburn's is a "scheme" and Florida's is not.  When Meyer got to Florida the common belief was that his "scheme" would not work in the SEC.  
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 28, 2009, 02:41:13 PM
I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.

Your quote above could have said "if you think the bread and butter of Auburn's offense is something new....blah, blah, blah"

Please take time to read the article below, then tell me how much of a crazy Leach-like "system" you think Malzahn has created.

He's just smart in how he does things...but he hasn't invented much of anything.

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html)
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 28, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
Your quote above could have said "if you think the bread and butter of Auburn's offense is something new....blah, blah, blah"

Please take time to read the article below, then tell me how much of a crazy Leach-like "system" you think Malzahn has created.

He's just smart in how he does things...but he hasn't invented much of anything.

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html)
Exactly.  Everybody knows that David Lee invented the Wildcat too.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Saniflush on September 28, 2009, 02:45:19 PM
Too early to say the SEC is down.  I thought they were down last year but in the end, they proved to be head and shoulders above every conference out there.  

Well except for the Mountain West.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Jumbo on September 28, 2009, 02:45:51 PM
BTW using my above stats I can totally see why you guys deserve to be ranked #3 in the land and why we are unranked, playing those shit teams like we have. I mean FIU and North Texas just compete for the BCS year in and year out.
Trooper Towel swingin' like helicopter.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2009, 03:24:56 PM
Well except for the Mountain West.

Point taken.  I always forget about Bama bringing everyone's SOS down and then disgracing the conference.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: jadennis on September 30, 2009, 10:28:27 AM
Just thought I'd add some visual evidence in the Todd vs McElroy discussion.


(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/jadennis100/CIMG0261.jpg)

Just sayin'.

Raise your hand if you thought you'd see Todd's name in this graphic this season.  Liars.
Title: Re: Bama v. Hogs
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 30, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
Yeah, I didn't think he'd be down that low. 

If he'd just quit throwing off his back foot...