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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: wesfau2 on September 26, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
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I'm glad that Bama still teaches "holding" as a blocking technique.
I'm less glad that the fucking refs allow them to do so.
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Bama can't pitch and catch. Lucky for us.
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Bama can't pitch and catch. Lucky for us.
The defense looks much better this week.
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The defense looks much better this week.
We have a good run defense. A passing team can kill us.
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We have a good run defense. A passing team can kill us.
Luckily Bama can't live on the passing game alone.
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Hog Ballz.
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I'm glad that Bama still teaches "holding" as a blocking technique.
I'm less glad that the phuking refs allow them to do so.
This disturbs me as well. When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?
It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them. I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.
Why?
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Hog Ballz.
Strong play call.
Run all over dey ass.
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This disturbs me as well. When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?
It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them. I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.
Why?
Cuz you don't fuck with turdition.
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That sucks for Hightower. Hate to see the kids get hurt.
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That sucks for Hightower. Hate to see the kids get hurt.
He looked like he knows it's bad. Hate that.
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Ouch...the trickeration gets the Hogs.
Julio on the board for the first time in a long time.
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Not a single post on the young freshman's run? If I didn't know any better I'd think you guys were a bit biased.
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Not a single post on the young freshman's run? If I didn't know any better I'd think you guys were a bit biased.
You wait until yall are in the lead to post? If I didn't know better I'd think you were chickenshit.
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You wait until yall are in the lead to post? If I didn't know better I'd think you were chickenpoop.
Dude, we scored like 25 minutes ago. What the fuck are you even talking about?
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Dude, we scored like 25 minutes ago. What the fuck are you even talking about?
What wazs the score before before his run?
It was a good run. We had a bunch of missed tackles. You didn't post before his run when the game was still 0-0. You've turned into a real mommy part the last few weeks.
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What wazs the score before before his run?
It was a good run. We had a bunch of missed tackles. You didn't post before his run when the game was still 0-0. You've turned into a real hair pie the last few weeks.
I didn't post about his run directly after either. As a matter of fact we scored another time after his touchdown before I even left the bama boards to check out what was going on over here. To be honest with you I didn't realize you would be posting over here and it never dawned on me to post on an Auburn forum induring an Alabama game. When I saw the thread I gave it a read and posted about our first TD since the only one that was being talked about was the 2nd TD. I thought the 1st one was more impressive. I understand you're a little touchy but chill dude. I haven't been disrespectful to you (that I know of) this week in any of the "let's get this started" threads. Just commenting on the True Freshman's badass run.
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I didn't post about his run directly after either. As a matter of fact we scored another time after his touchdown before I even left the bama boards to check out what was going on over here. To be honest with you I didn't realize you would be posting over here and it never dawned on me to post on an Auburn forum induring an Alabama game. When I saw the thread I gave it a read and posted about our first TD since the only one that was being talked about was the 2nd TD. I thought the 1st one was more impressive. I understand you're a little touchy but chill dude. I haven't been disrespectful to you (that I know of) this week in any of the "let's get this started" threads. Just commenting on the True Freshman's badass run.
Whatever...you're just trying to be a mommy part. And yes, the Richardson run was pretty damn impressive, especially when he stopped on a dime and the LBer hit his leg as Richardson was starting to run pass him....other than that, it reminded me of Auburn's tackling against Noel Devine, just a bunch of grabbing at Richardson after he's already 5 yards pass.
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Let's see which team has made the necessary Halftime adjustments.
So Far:
UA I (7)
SPuat III (21)
That's the ballgame, with 7:00 left to go in the 3rd Qtr...
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I would just like to reiterate......
Fuck Arkansas.
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I would just like to reiterate......
Fuck Arkansas.
We be not contenders. We be spoilers from now on.
Bama is tough against teams with no defense.
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We got beat like the #3 team in the country should beat unranked opps at home. Feel better?
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Bama is tough against teams with no defense.
It was great that our offense was able to score touchdowns, but don't kid yourself. We could have beat yall today with Missouri State's offense.
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We be not contenders. We be spoilers from now on.
Bama is tough against teams with no defense.
Everybody knew the defense wouldn't be much of a matchup. The question was Mallett. I think that question has been resoundingly answered. One thing, though. They would have been smart to pick on Kareem Jackson a little more. He costs us at least one TD a game. I don't know what his issue is, but he has got to start looking for the ball when his man starts looking back, or jumps in the air for that matter.
I think something else Alabama continues to show is even if you shut down our run, or it doesn't go as well as we would like, we are still a threat throwing the ball. Thats not so much a dimension we had last season.
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Everybody knew the defense wouldn't be much of a matchup. The question was Mallett. I think that question has been resoundingly answered. One thing, though. They would have been smart to pick on Kareem Jackson a little more. He costs us at least one TD a game. I don't know what his issue is, but he has got to start looking for the ball when his man starts looking back, or jumps in the air for that matter.
I think something else Alabama continues to show is even if you shut down our run, or it doesn't go as well as we would like, we are still a threat throwing the ball. Thats not so much a dimension we had last season.
Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.
Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's
Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
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This disturbs me as well. When arms are extended and in full grasp of jersey, why isn't that a flag?
It's consistent with Bama and rarely called on them. I've watched enough football to know that they are the only team that gets away with that on a regular basis.
Why?
I can show you some pics from the North Texas game of them holding on some plays. Same thing from the VT game. I don't see you bitching about that. There was a facemask on the end of one of Arenas' plays that wasn't called. Nothing from you. Uncalled roughing the passer on the jump pass. No tears, yet again. Pretty sure I saw a few uncalled Arky holds as well. But hey, all that is OK. Only uncalled penalties against Alabama deserve the bullshit flag to be thrown up. Oh, and we're the only team that consistantly gets away with holding players? Man, I guess we're paying those refs. Your argument is petty.
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Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.
Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's
Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Yeah, and who was the question mark supposedly according to rival fanbases entering the season? I will take McElroy's 213 rating in the Arky game any day. Our win wasn't nearly as dominating as last season's against them, but the results were largely the same. McElroy isn't next in line for the Heisman or anything, but I think he is above the level of "serviceable" so far. We're only 4 games in, but still, he could have shit the bed for that matter if he was just that bad. The good thing? He is only a Junior.
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Good game. I'd rather get beat by a good team than lose a game that we should have won. Yall beat us all around. I hope yall go far. The SEC needs someone to rise to the top.
It's down to yall and Auburn in the west. Yall are both in the cat bird's seat.
We didn't play up to our potential today for whatever reason, but yall were the better team anyways. I just wish that we had have given yall more competition.
Yall have a helluva defense. If yall can get the pitch and catch down, yall may go places. Yall may have had another couple of scores against us if your receivers could catch the ball. That may be crucial on down the line.
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I would just like to reiterate......
phuk Arkansas.
I would just like to reiterate......
Stay classy Alabama
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I would just like to reiterate......
Stay classy Alabama
+8 on the bottle.
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Excellent assessment that can be confirmed in simple stats.
Greg McElory 17-24, 291 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's
Movie Star Mallett 12-35, 160 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Chris "Trust In Gus" Todd 19-26 287 yards 5 Td's, 0 Int's
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Chris "Trust In Gus" Todd 19-26 287 yards 5 Td's, 0 Int's
How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds) ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))
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How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds) ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))
Let's see.
You fucks were trumpeting McElroy for Heisman after that huge, massive, glorious win over (North) Texas.
Arkansas gave up 294 KABILLION yards to Georgia. McElroy and the Tahd wasn't as effective as the Bulldogs were.
McElroy is a ginger homosexual.
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Let's see.
You fucks were trumpeting McElroy for Heisman after that huge, massive, glorious win over (North) Texas.
Arkansas gave up 294 KABILLION yards to Georgia. McElroy and the Tahd wasn't as effective as the Bulldogs were.
McElroy is a ginger homosexual.
Please show me where anybody here was trumpeting McElroy for Heisman. I doubt it was happening all that much anywhere else, either. I would love for you to show me where the fanbase was collectively advocating McElroy for Heisman.
Alabama racked up 425 yards of offense yesterday. If not for two drops by Peek, and then a drop by Maze, we would have had over 500 yards. Those were plays where they were wide open and flat out dropped it. UGA had 530 yards against Arky. Alabama's game plan isn't quick scoring and just chunking it down field. The gameplan is to nickel and dime an opponent to death and hang on to the ball as long as possible on offense. We're averaging 490 yds/game, and total offense is ranked #8 in the country. I think this is the first game of the season we haven't hit 500 yards of offense, but still, I'll take it. We shut down the #2 offense in the country.
You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.
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We shut down the #2 offense in the country.
You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.
As rated by whom? Tidefans.com? Didn't you just contradict yourself? I think you did.
Here's an idea for you tiders .... go seek affirmation somewhere that people give a shit about what bammer does. You're not going to get it here.
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There was a facemask on the end of one of Arenas' plays that wasn't called. Nothing from you.
I wouldn't complain about missed facemask calls. Right at the beginning of the game a defensive lineman went by and grabbed Mallet's facemask and about twisted his head off, no call.
We got beat by a better team, but we didn't do much to help ourselves, either. When you are trying to pull off an upset, you just cannot make as many unforced errors as we had.
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You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks. It's only gonna get worse from this point forward.
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You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks. It's only gonna get worse from this point forward.
pot and kettle and shit...
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pot and kettle and poop...
Yeah, VT blows. That's why after 4 weeks of play they've worked their way directly back into the top 10 and not only that, they're ranked higher now than they were preseason. So much for "preseason hype".
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Please show me where anybody here was trumpeting McElroy for Heisman. I doubt it was happening all that much anywhere else, either. I would love for you to show me where the fanbase was collectively advocating McElroy for Heisman.
Alabama racked up 425 yards of offense yesterday. If not for two drops by Peek, and then a drop by Maze, we would have had over 500 yards. Those were plays where they were wide open and flat out dropped it. UGA had 530 yards against Arky. Alabama's game plan isn't quick scoring and just chunking it down field. The gameplan is to nickel and dime an opponent to death and hang on to the ball as long as possible on offense. We're averaging 490 yds/game, and total offense is ranked #8 in the country. I think this is the first game of the season we haven't hit 500 yards of offense, but still, I'll take it. We shut down the #2 offense in the country.
You act like our offense just didn't do worth a damn or something. Its not like Arky's offense is anything to write home about, but we handled business nonetheless.
This guy is the prototypical Bama fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Frank Crittenden are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine)
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You fucks are the 8th ranked offense because of the lack of quality defenses you faced in two of your first three weeks. It's only gonna get worse from this point forward.
The same could be said for AU in all four of your games. I doubt you want to make that argument. Or, are you guys still arguing that La Tech is actually a really good team and that WVU is as good or better than Va Tech?
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This guy is the prototypical Bama fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Frank Crittenden are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/259241-stacking-mc-up-against-the-secs-best-shows-hes-doing-fine)
Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.
Just because I say so. See how easy that is?
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Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.
Just because I say so. See how easy that is?
Except you are wrong.
See how easy that is?
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As rated by whom? Tidefans.com? Didn't you just contradict yourself? I think you did.
Here's an idea for you tiders .... go seek affirmation somewhere that people give a shit about what bammer does. You're not going to get it here.
As rated by the NCAA, dumbass. Arky had the #2 total offense coming into yesterday.
#91 Rushing Offense
#2 Passing Offense
#8 Scoring Offense
#2 Total Offense
Did you just make yourself look like a dumbass? I think you did.
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I said two of your first three jackasses. And find a post where I was bragging about AUs offensive ranking.
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As rated by the NCAA, dumbass. Arky had the #2 total offense coming into yesterday.
#91 Rushing Offense
#2 Passing Offense
#8 Scoring Offense
#2 Total Offense
Did you just make yourself look like a dumbass? I think you did.
Another inflated ranking. This proves that early season statistics don't mean shit. Va Tech had the 107th ranked run defense, but you all touted it as the second coming of the steel curtain.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O)
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Another inflated ranking. This proves that early season statistics don't mean shit. Va Tech had the 107th ranked run defense, but you all touted it as the second coming of the steel curtain.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2009&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org&div=IA&dest=O)
Ok then, you know that really high offensive ranking AU has? Just inflated. Early season statistics don't mean shit. Its funny how some of you will clamor over a high ranking AU has, but it doesn't count for any other team. I think most here were saying that Arky would be much improved this season. Mallett can certainly throw the ball. I think our defense is just that damn good. Even playing two backups the whole time, its that good. Say what you want, but out defensive rating of #2 certainly isn't inflated.
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Ok then, you know that really high offensive ranking AU has? Just inflated. Early season statistics don't mean shit. Its funny how some of you will clamor over a high ranking AU has, but it doesn't count for any other team. I think most here were saying that Arky would be much improved this season. Mallett can certainly throw the ball. I think our defense is just that damn good. Even playing two backups the whole time, its that good. Say what you want, but out defensive rating of #2 certainly isn't inflated.
Show me where I've said anything about our statistical ranking. Quit being a pussy.
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Prowler is the prototypical AU fan. He is the mold from which you are all created. Him and Chopper are representative of 99.9999999999999999999995% of your entire fanbase. Throw Chizad in there as well.
Just because I say so. See how easy that is?
Fuck you.
If I'm an irrational homer, you're Sir Ricky of Rant.
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Fuck you.
If I'm an irrational homer, you're Sir Ricky of Rant.
I love how I keep getting thrown into this bullshit as well. Show me where I'm all "ra-ra" and going crazy about how awesome shit is. This is just the typical shit that RWS does that maintains that you can't take him seriously at times.
I also love that RWS is suddenly generalizing our fan base, when he can't even identify his own.
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I love how I keep getting thrown into this bullshit as well. Show me where I'm all "ra-ra" and going crazy about how awesome shit is. This is just the typical shit that RWS does that maintains that you can't take him seriously at times.
I also love that RWS is suddenly generalizing our fan base, when he can't even identify his own.
I'd like for him to point out specifically why we're ra-ra sunshine pumpers.
Because we suggested that Gene Chizik and the staff he assembled may not be a complete and utter failure on all levels? He may not be the most incompetent, completely incapable coach in SEC history? Yeah, we sure had no idea what we were talking about. That benevolent opposition that insisted we were water heads, sure read the future. Of the three new SEC hires, one is 4-0 and the others are 2-2.
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I'd like for him to point out specifically why we're ra-ra sunshine pumpers.
Because we suggested that Gene Chizik and the staff he assembled may not be a complete and utter failure on all levels? He may not be the most incompetent, completely incapable coach in SEC history? Yeah, we sure had no idea what we were talking about. That benevolent opposition that insisted we were water heads, sure read the future. Of the three new SEC hires, one is 4-0 and the others are 2-2.
In their defense though, Tennessee played Florida and UCLA, and Miss State sucks.
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In their defense though, Tennessee played Florida and UCLA, and Miss State sucks.
This is true, and Miss State's two losses are to us and LSU.
Although I don't think Miss State and UCLA are that different. I actually think Miss State is a decent team. LSU is struggling a bit right now, but Miss State still has to be decent to be on the goal line with a chance to win it 31-30.
And this is just my opinion, but statistics and rankings aside, the eyeball test tells me that Alabama's defense is damn good. Play-makers and studs all over the field. I feel like almost every starter's name is a name you'll recognize by years end.
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How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds) ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))
Well, for one thing, having touchdown drives of 50 seconds, 33 seconds, and 31 seconds affects things pretty significantly. And while 291 yards and 287 yards are basically identical, 5 TD passes and 3 TD passes are not nearly identical.
I'm also trying to figure out what difference it makes what the two QBs stats look like compared to each other. You do know they aren't the only ones that gather offensive statistics right? Other QBs play, running backs carry the ball, etc.
Todd produced 43% of our yards for the game. He wasn't asked to do it all, as we also ran for 254 yards. On the other hand, you guys pounded out an uninspiring 3.3 yards per carry to total 134 yards. McElroy was asked to do a lot more in order win the game, which is fine, you gotta do what gotta do to win.
But you can't really compare the stats of the two QBs when one team also ran for 250+ yards.
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How are Todd's stats almost identicel to McElroys (despite 2 more touchdowns and less yds) ((despite McElroy handing the ball off in the 4th and then putting the 2nd stringers in)) (((despite McElory playing against an SEC team and Todd playing against..... wait, who the hell did Auburn play again???)))
Lets compare shall we:
Alabama Opp. Defensive Rank Auburn Opp. Def Rank
Virginia Tech 38 La Tech 100
FIU 118 Miss. St 31
N. Texas 84 WVU 35
Arkansas 91 Ball St 104
Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5
McElmo = 63-93 67% 938 yds 7tds 1int
Todd = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int
Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.
FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!
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BTW using my above stats I can totally see why you guys deserve to be ranked #3 in the land and why we are unranked, playing those shit teams like we have. I mean FIU and North Texas just compete for the BCS year in and year out.
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Sooooooooo...Auburn has played two defenses that rate higher nationally than the Hokies D?
BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA
Yeah...Auburn really hasn't played anybody.
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Lets compare shall we:
Alabama Opp. Defensive Rank Auburn Opp. Def Rank
Virginia Tech 38 La Tech 100
FIU 118 Miss. St 31
N. Texas 84 WVU 35
Arkansas 91 Ball St 104
Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5
McElmo = 63-93 67% 938 yds 7tds 1int
Todd = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int
Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.
FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!
:pwnd:
We good?
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Where o where did all the bammers go?
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Where o where did all the bammers go?
Facts are like kryptonite to a Bammer.
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Lets compare shall we:
Alabama Opp. Defensive Rank Auburn Opp. Def Rank
Virginia Tech 38 La Tech 100
FIU 118 Miss. St 31
N. Texas 84 WVU 35
Arkansas 91 Ball St 104
Avg Def Ranking for bama Opponents= 82.75
Avg Def Ranking for Auburn Opponents= 67.5
McElmo = 63-93 67% 938 yds 7tds 1int
Todd = 62-106 58% 1012 yds 11tds 1int
Jeez what are we talking about you are so right, Chris Todd does suck.
FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!
Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.
OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.
Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?
Well, damn...
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Brian, Brian, Brian. When will you learn.
OBVIOUSLY, those teams have poor defensive rankings, because they were unfortunate enough to face the almighty Tahd.
Oh wait, Auburn is number one in the country for total yardage? Number 3 for total offense?
Well, damn...
Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)
Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
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Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)
Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".
Got it.
:thumbsup: :vn: :bc:
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Well, for one thing, having touchdown drives of 50 seconds, 33 seconds, and 31 seconds affects things pretty significantly. And while 291 yards and 287 yards are basically identical, 5 TD passes and 3 TD passes are not nearly identical.
I'm also trying to figure out what difference it makes what the two QBs stats look like compared to each other. You do know they aren't the only ones that gather offensive statistics right? Other QBs play, running backs carry the ball, etc.
Todd produced 43% of our yards for the game. He wasn't asked to do it all, as we also ran for 254 yards. On the other hand, you guys pounded out an uninspiring 3.3 yards per carry to total 134 yards. McElroy was asked to do a lot more in order win the game, which is fine, you gotta do what gotta do to win.
But you can't really compare the stats of the two QBs when one team also ran for 250+ yards.
Good point, and I think its hard to compare the two anyways because one plays in a traditional offense, and the other plays in a wide open "system". Even the NFL is finding it difficult to evaluate system QBs.
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Scoring TD's, gaining yardage = "silly".
Got it.
:thumbsup: :vn: :bc:
Have you taken a look at that link yet?
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Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)
Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal. Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents. Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them? Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet. These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.
And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that. Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.
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...NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.
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Urban Meyer is trying not to drop his two BCS Crystal Balls while rolling on the floor laughing at you.
Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.
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Generally, when I make a comparison, I take the ranking before we played them. But whatever floats your boat. I would like to post a link to the NCAA's website, wich gives a report for toughest schedule based on past opposition for the season. Find Alabama, then find Auburn. Get back to me on that.
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_past.pdf)
Since we're talking about offenses, Alabama has the #8 offense in the country with a Jr. QB starting only his 4th game ever, NOT running some silly spread by a "guru".
Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?
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Nice try, but the ranking before or after doesn't matter, because it was equal. Both rankings were after both Auburn and uat had played their respective opponents. Besides where did VT's defense rank before you played them? Can't answer that because you have no idea because they hadn't played anyone yet. These defensive rankings were taken directly from the NCAA's stat page.
And your link has nothing to do with what we were talking about, I was not talking about toughest schedule based on win and losses...North Texas' Schedule was number #60.. 15 places above you, I stopped looking after that. Mine was an apples for apples equation, numbers don't lie.
So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm)
Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?
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Sooo... what you're trying to say is that neither Alabama or Auburn have a very tough schedule?
Thats pretty much the deal. Neither schedule is very difficult. Especially with how bad the SEC is this year (worse than last year, imo).
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So now you're only ranking how good an opponent is not by their SOS, but only by their defensive ranking? Maybe the Sagarin rankings are more comprehensive than the NCAA SOS report link I posted?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm)
Or, are we just going to stick with only defensive rankings decide who is a tougher team, and who has a tougher schedule so far?
You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says. Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree. SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses. You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played. My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple. You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo.
What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced. McElmo has looked good as well. My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.
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Too early to say the SEC is down. I thought they were down last year but in the end, they proved to be head and shoulders above every conference out there. Florida is one of the elite. Not completely sure about Bama but they are easily top 10. LSU keeps winning but look very beatable in doing so. They're either going to go in the dumper like last year or the chemistry will click and they start steamrolling people. They have the talent. Likewise with UGA. The talent is there and they're breaking in a new QB and running back combo. And right now, all jokes from the Bammers aside, I would think much of the conference is not real enthusiastic about playing Auburn.
It's gong to have to play itself out a little longer before we can say where the SEC is.
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I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.
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Utah thinks the Sugar Bowl Trophy looks nice in their case also.
I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.
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I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.
I didn't start it, I just finished it. We shall see...
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I don't understand why there is a need to compare quarterbacks. If Alabama beats AU this year, and I think they will, it will be because Todd has to face a top defense whereas McElroy will be facing an average one.
You take that back. We are wll below average and you know it. Bitch.
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You take that back. We are wll below average and you know it. Bitch.
I was playing the role of a "kind visitor". My original post before editing wasn't polite.
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You are totally missing the point, I could care less what the SOS says. Your buddy said that we should not be comparing McElmo's stats to Todd's, based on the defensive ranking I disagree. SOS just shows based on wins and losses and who we have left wins and losses. You didn't take into consideration the SOS of those teams that we have already played. My stats were easy, here is what the defenses rank...plain and simple. You cannot sit there and argue that Todd does not look every bit as good as McElmo.
What you don't get is that I have no problem with bama being ranked at #3, your team has looked good vs the opponents you have faced. McElmo has looked good as well. My point is that we have looked equally as good against equally if not better defenses and yet no ranking.
Personally, I say its hard to compare the two to each other because of the systems they play in, and the philosophies. Certainly both of them have met and probably exceeded expectations to this point. Both of them are playing very well, in terms of doing what they are asked. Both of them seem well in command. You can compare them in those terms, but otherwise, I really think you're comparing apples to oranges if you want to get down to numbers.
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I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.
Duh, and the exact same thing can be said of ours. A lot of the run plays are actually almost identical (and come from things Joe Gibbs did, that he admittedly stole from what Tom Osborne).
Almost none of it is new from Florida or Auburn. It's how it's all combined, and new options added into a formation here or there to create some misdirection and confusion for the defense (also not new). Then add in the forced tempo.
I'm just confused on how Auburn's is a "scheme" and Florida's is not. When Meyer got to Florida the common belief was that his "scheme" would not work in the SEC.
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I'm sorry, but if you think the bread and butter of UF's offense is something brand new and innovative, then wow. Its roots are fairly traditional, I just don't think anybody like Tebow has ever ran it before.
Your quote above could have said "if you think the bread and butter of Auburn's offense is something new....blah, blah, blah"
Please take time to read the article below, then tell me how much of a crazy Leach-like "system" you think Malzahn has created.
He's just smart in how he does things...but he hasn't invented much of anything.
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html)
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Your quote above could have said "if you think the bread and butter of Auburn's offense is something new....blah, blah, blah"
Please take time to read the article below, then tell me how much of a crazy Leach-like "system" you think Malzahn has created.
He's just smart in how he does things...but he hasn't invented much of anything.
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/06/gus-malzahnauburn-tigers-run-game.html)
Exactly. Everybody knows that David Lee invented the Wildcat too.
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Too early to say the SEC is down. I thought they were down last year but in the end, they proved to be head and shoulders above every conference out there.
Well except for the Mountain West.
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BTW using my above stats I can totally see why you guys deserve to be ranked #3 in the land and why we are unranked, playing those shit teams like we have. I mean FIU and North Texas just compete for the BCS year in and year out.
Trooper Towel swingin' like helicopter.
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Well except for the Mountain West.
Point taken. I always forget about Bama bringing everyone's SOS down and then disgracing the conference.
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Just thought I'd add some visual evidence in the Todd vs McElroy discussion.
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/jadennis100/CIMG0261.jpg)
Just sayin'.
Raise your hand if you thought you'd see Todd's name in this graphic this season. Liars.
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Yeah, I didn't think he'd be down that low.
If he'd just quit throwing off his back foot...