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Title: Nirvana
Post by: bgreene on July 23, 2015, 09:24:49 PM
I was reading the thread about the Foo Fighters and it reminded me of a movie I watched recently on Kurt Cobain.  The movie Soaked In Bleach talks about the theory that Cobain was murdered and Courtney Love had something to do with it.  This was the first time that I had ever heard that there was even anyone thought it was anything but suicide.  Just wondering if any of you have seen this or heard this theory before.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 23, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
Kurt GoBang
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Pell City Tiger on July 23, 2015, 09:42:09 PM
The Courtney Love theory surfaced very shortly after the shotgun's smoke cleared.

Kurt was a messed up dude mentally. I think he just took himself out. What a shame. Nirvana kicked ass.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: GH2001 on July 23, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
The Courtney Love theory surfaced very shortly after the shotgun's smoke cleared.

Kurt was a messed up dude mentally. I think he just took himself out. What a shame. Nirvana kicked ass.

What this dude said ^^

Kurt was a talent but dude was screwed up royally. The other members have accepted that as well.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Jumbo on July 23, 2015, 11:57:53 PM
There's also a new documentary on Cobain that I want to see.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: bgreene on July 24, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
Soaked in Bleach was on Netflix but has cycled off.  The new one is now on there.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on July 24, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
There's also a new documentary on Cobain that I want to see.

Montage of Heck.

Mixed reviews so far.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Jumbo on July 25, 2015, 12:48:33 AM
Montage of Heck.

Mixed reviews so far.
Have you watched it sir?
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on July 25, 2015, 09:12:25 AM
Have you watched it sir?

No, not interested enough to seek it out.  If I stumble across it, I'll watch.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: AUChizad on July 27, 2015, 10:36:21 PM
Have you watched it sir?
I have. It was good if you're a fan. Mostly just exclusive home videos, artwork, and recorded diary entries from Kurt.

For a documentary on Kurt's death & Courtney's involvement, watch Kurt & Courtney.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Godfather on July 28, 2015, 11:18:51 AM
I have. It was good if you're a fan. Mostly just exclusive home videos, artwork, and recorded diary entries from Kurt.

For a documentary on Kurt's death & Courtney's involvement, watch Kurt & Courtney.
Don't know that I would classify myself as a fan or not, I liked some of their songs... some I did not.

I watched it, I thought it was interesting. 
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: GH2001 on July 28, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
I have. It was good if you're a fan. Mostly just exclusive home videos, artwork, and recorded diary entries from Kurt.

For a documentary on Kurt's death & Courtney's involvement, watch Kurt & Courtney.

Nirvana may be the only musical act on the planet which I like a lot and yet also think is overrated.

Soundgarden was first. PJ was better and more long term. STP was more stylish. AIC was more grungy and dark.

Nirvana were pioneers and that gateway into mainstream from some underground garage type setting. Music was great. But I dont think they were the end all be all of the genre.

And as youve stated before, that entire decade and genre was a golden era of music indeed.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 28, 2015, 03:46:17 PM
Nirvana may be the only musical act on the planet which I like a lot and yet also think is overrated.

Soundgarden was first. PJ was better and more long term. STP was more stylish. AIC was more grungy and dark.

Nirvana were pioneers and that gateway into mainstream from some underground garage type setting. Music was great. But I dont think they were the end all be all of the genre.

And as youve stated before, that entire decade and genre was a golden era of music indeed.
None of them could twist like Chubby Checker.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: jmar on July 28, 2015, 05:20:36 PM
None of them could twist like Chubby Checker.
This is true. But I liked them as GH did. 
And the best songs of the Unplugged concert (at least those that leave a lasting impression for me) were covers of the Meat Puppets, Leadbelly and Bowie.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Jumbo on July 29, 2015, 04:28:16 AM
Chad I'm glad your back I'm working out of town this week I'll watch it and drink some craft beer.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: bgreene on July 29, 2015, 06:50:04 PM
Nirvana may be the only musical act on the planet which I like a lot and yet also think is overrated.

Soundgarden was first. PJ was better and more long term. STP was more stylish. AIC was more grungy and dark.

Nirvana were pioneers and that gateway into mainstream from some underground garage type setting. Music was great. But I dont think they were the end all be all of the genre.

And as youve stated before, that entire decade and genre was a golden era of music indeed.




I agree.  I like Nirvana, but PJ to me was a much better group.  Nirvana came on scene at the right time and opened the doors for a lot better groups.  That decade did have the best music IMO, but that was my coming of age time.  I'm sure some of you old bastards would say the same about your own era of music. 
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2015, 07:45:00 PM



I agree.  I like Nirvana, but PJ to me was a much better group.  Nirvana came on scene at the right time and opened the doors for a lot better groups.  That decade did have the best music IMO, but that was my coming of age time.  I'm sure some of you old bastards would say the same about your own era of music.

Who you callin' a bastard?
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on November 27, 2015, 08:59:59 AM
I was reading the thread about the Foo Fighters and it reminded me of a movie I watched recently on Kurt Cobain.  The movie Soaked In Bleach talks about the theory that Cobain was murdered and Courtney Love had something to do with it.  This was the first time that I had ever heard that there was even anyone thought it was anything but suicide.  Just wondering if any of you have seen this or heard this theory before.

Watched Soaked in Bleach the other night.  Courtney had that sumbitch killed and Kurt was definitely NOT fucked up/depressed according to all the people (less and except Ms. Love) around him.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: AUChizad on November 30, 2015, 05:22:34 PM
Watched Soaked in Bleach the other night.  Courtney had that sumbitch killed and Kurt was definitely NOT fucked up/depressed according to all the people (less and except Ms. Love) around him.
I looked it up and see that's a new one. I'll have to give it a watch.

The one I mentioned earlier in this thread drew the same conclusion.

For a documentary on Kurt's death & Courtney's involvement, watch Kurt & Courtney.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on March 07, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
Have you watched it sir?

Finally saw this.  Meh.  Interesting home movies and journal images, but nothing terribly revealing.  Except Courtney's tits...they appear frequently.  Unimpressive.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Kaos on March 23, 2016, 02:17:34 PM



I agree.  I like Nirvana, but PJ to me was a much better group.  Nirvana came on scene at the right time and opened the doors for a lot better groups.  That decade did have the best music IMO, but that was my coming of age time.  I'm sure some of you old bastards would say the same about your own era of music.

Don't necessarily disagree that Pearl Jam was the better band, but that's like saying Stryper had better musicians than KISS.  Maybe they did, but the impact of the two was vastly different.

Jeremy was a good song, a little different and so mumbly I don't think anybody knows the words. 

Teen Spirit was transformative.  That song almost singlehandedly turned the direction of music away from the Poison, Twisted Sister, White Lion, Slaughter, Hanoi Rocks, Bon Jovi, Winger -- and yes, even KISS and Motley Crue -- pop rock that had taken hold in the 80s.  It helped change American tastes when it came out in 1991.  It helped boost the career of Guns and Roses and it opened the door to Alice in Chains, Seether, Bush, Green Day (bleh), Blink 182 and a whole new musical direction.  The day that song hit the airwaves? 


This?

(http://www.bragvintage.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/motleycrue.jpg)

It was dead.  Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. 

This? 

(https://hardrockdaddy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kiss-tears-are-falling.jpg?w=604&h=510)

Almost overnight became this:

(http://kulick.net/revenge/RevengePhotos/GroupCDback.jpg)

KISS even released an album that matched up well with the sound of the times (and is one of my favorite KISS CDs) but it was overshadowed and overwhelmed by the Reunion Tour and most people have forgotten it. 

(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/484/MI0000484834.jpg?partner=allrovi.com)

Note the very grunge look and feel. Released in 1997.

This reflects what KISS could have been had it not been trying to be KISS.  No silly songs about Gene's dick or Paul's lady maneuvers or any of that.  No pop, just strong grunge rock.  Very undervalued album and one I hate that most fans missed.  I love it.   
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: AUJarhead on March 23, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
It helped boost the career of Guns and Roses

Agree with everything you say, except this one.  Didn't Use Your Illusion I and II come out prior to Nevermind?  GnR didn't put shit out that was any good after those two albums.

This is about the time I went into boot camp.  Went in, and everyone was jacked about the new GNR albums coming out.  Get out of Boot, and even the radio station I listed to in New Orleans had changed from glam metal to grunge.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Kaos on March 23, 2016, 02:48:59 PM
Agree with everything you say, except this one.  Didn't Use Your Illusion I and II come out prior to Nevermind?  GnR didn't put shit out that was any good after those two albums.

This is about the time I went into boot camp.  Went in, and everyone was jacked about the new GNR albums coming out.  Get out of Boot, and even the radio station I listed to in New Orleans had changed from glam metal to grunge.

Nevermind was 1991.  Sweet Child didn't really make the heavy rotation until 1989.  Not saying GNR wouldn't have been something and I don't remember when illusion came out. Probably wrong but just felt like GNR benefitted from the change in musical climate.   
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on March 23, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Nevermind was 1991.  Sweet Child didn't really make the heavy rotation until 1989.  Not saying GNR wouldn't have been something and I don't remember when illusion came out. Probably wrong but just felt like GNR benefitted from the change in musical climate.

Def wrong.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Saniflush on March 23, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
Yep I was screaming the lyrics to "Paradise City" in Subic Bay bars in late '88.   

Fuck I'm old.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: wesfau2 on March 23, 2016, 03:52:53 PM
Yep I was screaming the lyrics to "Paradise City" in Subic Bay bars in late '88.   

Fuck I'm old.

Def correct.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: dallaswareagle on March 23, 2016, 04:01:53 PM
Yep I was screaming the lyrics to "Paradise City" in Subic Bay bars in late '88.   

Fuck I'm old.

Seoul South Korea, bar downtown, 4 ladies singing free ride (foghat.) 1980 something.

Flea ride, take it eajey.
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: dallaswareagle on March 24, 2016, 11:11:33 AM
So, they sung in English better than you spell in it.

No, that is how they pronounced it. Here, let me help you out, I was in Korea, the band was Korean, so they had an accent.


Understand?
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: Kaos on March 24, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
No, that is how they pronounced it. Here, let me help you out, I was in Korea, the band was Korean, so they had an accent.


Understand?

That's some bullshit right there.  You weren't on MASH.  I would have seen it. 
Title: Re: Nirvana
Post by: dallaswareagle on March 24, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
That's some bullshit right there.  You weren't on MASH.  I would have seen it.


Dude: I am old, but even I ain't that old. :getoff: