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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on December 01, 2010, 12:54:04 PM
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Fuck you ESPN, Thayer Evans, etc...
The NCAA has cleared Auburn in its recruitment of quarterback Cam Newton and has ruled him eligible to compete.
Auburn has limited the athletic access to Newton's father, Cecil Newton. Mississippi State disassociated itself as well.
The NCAA's statement said:
"Auburn University football student-athlete Cam Newton is immediately eligible to compete, according to a decision today by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff. The NCAA concluded on Monday that a violation of amateurism rules occurred, therefore Auburn University declared the student-athlete ineligible yesterday for violations of NCAA amateurism rules"
The NCAA began looking into Newton's recruitment at Mississippi State, and then Auburn, but has found nothing to make the quarterback ineligible to play for the Tigers. Auburn began an internal investigation in July and did not find any wrongdoing, either.
Newton has led Auburn to a 12-0 record and a No. 1 BCS ranking heading into Saturday's SEC Championship Game against South Carolina.
Newton has been lit up opponents, the SEC and the Auburn record books.
He leads the SEC in rushing and has accounted for 43 touchdowns, accounting for at least four touchdowns in a game seven times.
He's the first player in the SEC history to have thrown for more than 2,000 yards and to have rushed for more than 1,000 yards in SEC history.
He ranks second in the nation in passing efficiency.
He's been named the SEC's offensive player of the week six times.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/12/ncaa_rules_auburns_cam_newton.html
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NCAA link:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/december/ncaa+addresses+eligibility+of+cam+newton
Latest News
Publish date: Dec 1, 2010NCAA addresses Cam Newton's eligibility
Auburn University football student-athlete Cam Newton is immediately eligible to compete, according to a decision today by the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff. The NCAA concluded on Monday that a violation of amateurism rules occurred, therefore Auburn University declared the student-athlete ineligible yesterday for violations of NCAA amateurism rules.
When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. Reinstatement decisions are made by the NCAA national office staff and can include conditions such as withholding from competition and repayment of extra benefits. Newton was reinstated without any conditions.
According to facts of the case agreed upon by Auburn University and the NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete’s father and an owner of a scouting service worked together to actively market the student-athlete as a part of a pay-for-play scenario in return for Newton’s commitment to attend college and play football. NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.
In conjunction with the case, Auburn University has limited the access Newton’s father has to the athletics program and Mississippi State has disassociated the involved individual.
“The conduct of Cam Newton’s father and the involved individual is unacceptable and has no place in the SEC or in intercollegiate athletics,†said Mike Slive, Southeastern Conference Commissioner. “The actions taken by Auburn University and Mississippi State University make it clear this behavior will not be tolerated in the SEC.â€
“Our members have established rules for a fair and equal recruitment of student-athletes, as well as to promote integrity in the recruiting process,†said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs. “In determining how a violation impacts a student-athlete’s eligibility, we must consider the young person’s responsibility. Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement. From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.â€
“We are pleased that the NCAA has agreed with our position that Cam Newton has been and continues to be eligible to play football at Auburn University,†Auburn University Director of Athletics Jay Jacobs said. “We appreciate the diligence and professionalism of the NCAA and its handling of this matter. “
During the reinstatement process, NCAA staff review each case on its own merits based on the specific facts. Staff decisions are made based on a number of factors including guidelines established by the Division I NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, as well as any mitigating factors presented by the university.
Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined. The reinstatement process is likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation. It is NCAA policy not to comment on current, pending or potential investigations.
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Fuck you ESPN, Thayer Evans, etc...
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/12/ncaa_rules_auburns_cam_newton.html
Whoever wrote that should be shot. I know they were probably in a rush to have the scoop and all but c'mon.
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Redfish should probably put some padding at the top of his stairs.
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Redfish should probably put some padding at the top of his stairs.
When does the death penalty begin?
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Ha I love it...Newton was declared ineligible yesterday because of his father's wrongdoing, Auburn immediately requested he be reinstated and the NCAA granted the request.
Fuck all the Haters!
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Ha I love it...Newton was declared ineligible yesterday because of his father's wrongdoing, Auburn immediately requested he be reinstated and the NCAA granted the request.
Fuck all the Haters!
What he^said.
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When does the death penalty begin?
As soon as the last race tonight at Victoryland finishes.
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It's finally on ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5870788
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Ha I love it...Newton was declared ineligible yesterday because of his father's wrongdoing, Auburn immediately requested he be reinstated and the NCAA granted the request.
Fuck all the Haters!
It is amazing, that for all the people that think they are in the know that "leaked" out bullshit allegations, that Cam fucking Newton was ruled ineligible by the NCAA yesterday, and no one knew about it. No one said a word about it...
Fuck the media and their bullshit "reporting"...
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They were paid off.
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I hear angels singing in the heavens.
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I hope the opening drive is the highest rated show in America tomorrow morning.
Just so the majority of the people out there can hear Jay Barker cry while eating crow.
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It is amazing, that for all the people that think they are in the know that "leaked" out bullshit allegations, that Cam fucking Newton was ruled ineligible by the NCAA yesterday, and no one knew about it. No one said a word about it...
Fuck the media and their bullshit "reporting"...
Eggggggggzactly.
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It is amazing, that for all the people that think they are in the know that "leaked" out bullshit allegations, that Cam fucking Newton was ruled ineligible by the NCAA yesterday, and no one knew about it. No one said a word about it...
Fuck the media and their bullshit "reporting"...
agreed. however, do you think this pulled the line in vegas rather than reports of garcia? hmmm...
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2:00 p.m. will have it tuned to Saul Finescum. More wailing and gnashing of toofies.
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A few things.....
According to facts of the case agreed upon by Auburn University and the NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete’s father and an owner of a scouting service worked together to actively market the student-athlete as a part of a pay-for-play scenario in return for Newton’s commitment to attend college and play football. NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.
So does this mean the NCAA found evidence that Cecil was shopping Cam through MSU?
In conjunction with the case, Auburn University has limited the access Newton’s father has to the athletics program and Mississippi State has disassociated the involved individual.
I wonder if this will affect Cam's decision to stay for his senior season.
“The actions taken by Auburn University and Mississippi State University make it clear this behavior will not be tolerated in the SEC.â€
Does this also mean that MSU is cleared from any wrongdoing?
It is amazing, that for all the people that think they are in the know that "leaked" out bullshit allegations, that Cam fucking Newton was ruled ineligible by the NCAA yesterday, and no one knew about it. No one said a word about it...
Fuck the media and their bullshit "reporting"...
Now I wonder if this is why the betting line was suspended in Vegas.
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If the glove don't fit...
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It is amazing, that for all the people that think they are in the know that "leaked" out bullshit allegations, that Cam fucking Newton was ruled ineligible by the NCAA yesterday, and no one knew about it. No one said a word about it...
Fuck the media and their bullshit "reporting"...
The NCAA DID NOT rule Cam ineligible, AU did. The NCAA reinstated his eligibility.
“Our members have established rules for a fair and equal recruitment of student-athletes, as well as to promote integrity in the recruiting process,†said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs. “In determining how a violation impacts a student-athlete’s eligibility, we must consider the young person’s responsibility. Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement. From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation under NCAA bylaw 14.11.1. Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.â€
^^^^^^^^^
BOTTOM LINE!
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I'm so excited, It's time for a dance party!
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When does the death penalty begin?
Redfish's death penalty is in progress on TI. They are eating him alive.
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Redfish's death penalty is in progress on TI. They are eating him alive.
Why? Because he made everything up and lied about it? I'm sure he will come out with a D. Ward response..."The NCAA is just waiting, a PLOI is in the mail."
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My head hurts
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The NCAA DID NOT rule Cam ineligible, AU did. The NCAA reinstated his eligibility.
This sounds like an NCAA mandate to me...
When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. Reinstatement decisions are made by the NCAA national office staff and can include conditions such as withholding from competition and repayment of extra benefits. Newton was reinstated without any conditions.
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Why? Because he made everything up and lied about it? I'm sure he will come out with a D. Ward response..."The NCAA is just waiting, a PLOI is in the mail."
There's that, and the fact that he charged $15 a head to attend his bullshit meetings. Those idiots only have themselves to blame though.
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Damn dude. I stayed up and watched that whole thing last night.
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Damn dude. I stayed up and watched that whole thing last night.
Weagle Weagle Cam is legal!
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Weagle Weagle Cam is legal!
For now. The bigger investigation is ongoing and Auburn would have gotten their PLOI had there not been a mix up in the Gadsden Post Office.
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For now. The bigger investigation is ongoing and Auburn would have gotten their PLOI had there not been a mix up in the Gadsden Post Office.
I'm going to hand deliver it.
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Weagle Weagle Cam is legal!
Kick'em in the Cocks Big Blue!
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Kick'em in the Cocks Big Blue!
Hay, Hay Hay!
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I'm going to hand deliver it.
In a Charger?
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This sounds like an NCAA mandate to me...
The school does not HAVE to declare the individual ineligible. But if they do not, the hammer swings harder if the athlete is found to have been actually ineligible later by NCAA rules. The NCAA did not say that Cam was ineligible. They said violations had been found. To find out if those violations are enough to cause a penalty, then the school must follow the process.
But the NCAA prefers the institution declare eligibility and then they will rule on the validity.
So my statement stands, AU declared Cam ineligible, NOT the NCAA.
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In related news, Cecil Newton is about to take one of the most unholy beatings in the media that we've ever witnessed. His ministry will be ruined.
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In related news, Cecil Newton is about to take one of the most unholy beatings in the media that we've ever witnessed. His ministry will be ruined.
While it's deserved, I hate that the media has that kind of power.
Cecil was a piece of dog shit for attempting to go around Cam's back and get money.
However, I'm sure he has enough problems to do with.
That is, until McGregor and Lowder's check clears when Cam declares for the NFL draft.
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Schad fucking talking about it on ESPN now, not over yet. I am gonna smack him with Herbstreit, and Palmer's bag of dicks. Seriously what a piece of shit.
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I am so glad to see this ruling come down. Yes, for obvious orange and blue reasons. But just as much because I get sick of hearing this kind of crap about any school...including Bama. This weekend was great. College football beats the hell out of any sport on earth and I love this game for what it is. The allegations and implications and lies and speculation and a lot of other "tions" can all just bite my entire ass.
You know what? I don't give a crack whore's ass about Chargers or remodeling somebody baby mama kitchen...or $180K text messages and Mitlon Victoryland MacGregor or computers or fishing trips or any of it. It goes on everywhere anyway so shut the hell up and let's play football.
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That is, until McGregor and Lowder's check clears when Cam declares for the NFL draft.
In all reality, how many of us would have written a check to an anonymous account had we know Cam would be this good?
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In all reality, how many of us would have written a check to an anonymous account had we know Cam would be this good?
I would have written one. It would have bounced but still...
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I dropped by a bammer's facebook page. This is the same guy that has been telling me he knew for a fact Auburn was facing the death penalty. He also knew for a fact Cam would not play against Georgia.
Just wanted to drop by and say "Told you so".
about an hour ago via iPhone · Like · Comment · See Friendship
Chad: ‎...again.
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Josh: GentryEstes247 Gentry Estes
Summing it up: Cam can play, but investigation isn't over. Auburn is in good shape short-term but I actually think worse shape long-term.
DanWetzel Dan Wetzel
by CecilHurt
Newton case is not over. This is just immediate eligibility ruling. An ongoing enforcement staff investigation can lead to more later
schadjoe Joe Schad
NCAAs decision based on "information available at this time."
slmandel Stewart Mandel
If you read between the lines at the end of the release, this violation has been addressed, but the larger investigation likely ongoing.
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Josh: he will play the rest of the season, but this is just based off of current info... I think that if anything is gonna happen, it will be with the FDIC/Lowder cases get underway or finished up...
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Josh: I don't think your in the clear yet...
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Chad: LOL...Keep hope alive...
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Josh: btw, Cecil Newton was guilty, which is why Auburn ruled Cam ineligible yesterday...they just cut him out of the Athletic Dept in Auburn, and asked for reinstatment since there isn't proof that AU or Cam knew about it yet...
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Chad: Where were your super duper double-secret inside sources yesterday to inform everyone that Cam was ruled ineligible? I'm pretty sure I would have heard about it prior to today.
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Josh: i was in bed sick all day yesterday...on that note they actually said that Cecil was guilty of shopping his son, and Auburn admitted to violations... the only thing this statement proves is that Cecil Newton did commit violations... Now the investigation moves on to finding proof of AU or Cam knowing about it...
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Josh: find someone in the media that is NOT connected to Auburn that says that this is over and nothing will come of it... because I've tried to find anyone saying that, but the only stuff i can find are people saying that it is NOT over and that it does NOT look good for Auburn.. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it non-biased media that is saying this stuff... you act like I'm just making it up...
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Chad: Oh, right, you were sick. That's why not one single person reported that Cam was ineligible yesterday. Gotcha.
Cam was officially ruled eligible to compete without conditions.
Therefore, there WILL BE NO VACATION OF WINS. Who is saying it doesn't look good for Auburn? Thayer Evans? Give me a break, dude.
Just stop making outlandish claims, and I'll stop dropping by your facebook wall to mock you for them when they are proven false.
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Josh: I'm lost at what you are trying to say here... are you saying that he wasn't ruled ineligible yesterday by AU?
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Josh: and I have know Idea who Thayer Evens is...lol
So hard to just walk away...
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I am so glad to see this ruling come down. Yes, for obvious orange and blue reasons. But just as much because I get sick of hearing this kind of crap about any school...including Bama. This weekend was great. College football beats the hell out of any sport on earth and I love this game for what it is. The allegations and implications and lies and speculation and a lot of other "tions" can all just bite my entire ass.
You know what? I don't give a crack whore's ass about Chargers or remodeling somebody baby mama kitchen...or $180K text messages and Mitlon Victoryland MacGregor or computers or fishing trips or any of it. It goes on everywhere anyway so shut the hell up and let's play football.
Not that I condone allegations, or any -tion for that matter. -tion's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -tion, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
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So hard to just walk away...
Can't help myself...
Chad: He was ruled ineligible by Auburn (not the NCAA), and that is merely a formality of the reinstatement process. My point is, despite your (and countless other internet "reporters") constant claims of "inside knowledge", no one but the Auburn staff and the NCAA knew anything about his ineligibility. Like I said all along, they are the only ones that truly know, and all of your sources are bullshit. And like I said, Auburn and the NCAA have been cooperating for a year.
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Schad fucking talking about it on ESPN now, not over yet. I am gonna smack him with Herbstreit, and Palmer's bag of dicks. Seriously what a piece of shit.
I just watched the video of this on ESPN.com. You know there are alligators in Lake Eufaula. I can scout out a spot if you want to tag him over the head and bring him on down here.
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The school does not HAVE to declare the individual ineligible. But if they do not, the hammer swings harder if the athlete is found to have been actually ineligible later by NCAA rules. The NCAA did not say that Cam was ineligible. They said violations had been found. To find out if those violations are enough to cause a penalty, then the school must follow the process.
But the NCAA prefers the institution declare eligibility and then they will rule on the validity.
So my statement stands, AU declared Cam ineligible, NOT the NCAA.
AU did the right thing and played Cam until the NCAA said "OK, we officially have a problem". I'm glad that, for once, the NCAA worked with a school to get a guy's eligibility cleared up in a timely manner. Good for Cam, but his father should be ashamed of himself for shopping him around. Probably came pretty close to fucking his whole career up, too.
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AU did the right thing and played Cam until the NCAA said "OK, we officially have a problem". I'm glad that, for once, the NCAA worked with a school to get a guy's eligibility cleared up in a timely manner. Good for Cam, but his father should be ashamed of himself for shopping him around. Probably came pretty close to fucking his whole career up, too.
Well, you know, I am pretty close to 100% sure that the look from Cam himself towards his diddy is much worse that what any other person can say or do. Once Cam and his mom knew about all this, I'd bet that Cecil felt like falling into a hole somewhere.
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Chad, ask this fuck why (And he even admits it) he's trying so hard to find out crap on Auburn. Whay is he searching for what anyone "Not connected to Auburn" is saying. If Bama is his team, why does he care so much?
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The meltdown on TI is epic. Redfish is a dead man.
Just beat his wife in anger>>>>> -EOM- DavidPuddy 2010-12-01 13:24:03
Fairley will beat Garcia with a crowbar on Saturday.... Meat And Three 2010-12-01 13:19:29
....and Garcia will get flagged for 15 yards plus suspended for the bowl game.
:rofl:
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The meltdown on TI is epic. Redfish is a dead man.
:rofl:
Thread link.
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Chad, ask this fuck why (And he even admits it) he's trying so hard to find out crap on Auburn. Whay is he searching for what anyone "Not connected to Auburn" is saying. If Bama is his team, why does he care so much?
And while you guys are at it, ask some of your Auburn friends why they are so concerned about what Andre Smith's mom rides around in, what Dre Kirkpatrick is driving, and where his mom works. Oh, and get them to post some pics of some of the rides at the AU athletic complex.
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AU did the right thing and played Cam until the NCAA said "OK, we officially have a problem". I'm glad that, for once, the NCAA worked with a school to get a guy's eligibility cleared up in a timely manner. Good for Cam, but his father should be ashamed of himself for shopping him around. Probably came pretty close to fucking his whole career up, too.
I know I look through Orange and blue glasses...but I would be willing to bet that Cam's dad didn't "shop" him. How do you "shop" someone to one fucking team?
I personally think that Cam's dad was approached about payment and he listened. but then again, I could be completely wrong. I just know what kind of guy Cam seems to be...and it doesn't look like he was raised by a dirty, cheating snake....
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Thread link.
It's premium. I don't think you can view it without an account. But.....
http://www.tiderinsider.com/mb/msg/r4-1.html
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So this crap is over. :clap:
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I know I look through Orange and blue glasses...but I would be willing to bet that Cam's dad didn't "shop" him. How do you "shop" someone to one fucking team?
I personally think that Cam's dad was approached about payment and he listened. but then again, I could be completely wrong. I just know what kind of guy Cam seems to be...and it doesn't look like he was raised by a dirty, cheating snake....
THIS.
Everyone condemning Cecil to an eternity in hell are setting themselves up for a plate of crow when it comes out that the NCAA is swinging its "zero-tolerance" dick at the fact that MSU offered, and Cecil listened but didn't act.
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It's premium. I don't think you can view it without an account. But.....
http://www.tiderinsider.com/mb/msg/r4-1.html
DAMN. I miss all the good shit.
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I know I look through Orange and blue glasses...but I would be willing to bet that Cam's dad didn't "shop" him. How do you "shop" someone to one fucking team?
I personally think that Cam's dad was approached about payment and he listened. but then again, I could be completely wrong. I just know what kind of guy Cam seems to be...and it doesn't look like he was raised by a dirty, cheating snake....
If he didn't, neither the NCAA or Mike Slive did him any favors.
According to facts of the case agreed upon by Auburn University and the NCAA enforcement staff, the student-athlete’s father and an owner of a scouting service worked together to actively market the student-athlete as a part of a pay-for-play scenario in return for Newton’s commitment to attend college and play football. NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.
In conjunction with the case, Auburn University has limited the access Newton’s father has to the athletics program and Mississippi State has disassociated the involved individual.
“The conduct of Cam Newton’s father and the involved individual is unacceptable and has no place in the SEC or in intercollegiate athletics,†said Mike Slive, Southeastern Conference Commissioner. “The actions taken by Auburn University and Mississippi State University make it clear this behavior will not be tolerated in the SEC.â€
That's as cut and dry as I've ever seen.
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I know I look through Orange and blue glasses...but I would be willing to bet that Cam's dad didn't "shop" him. How do you "shop" someone to one fucking team?
I personally think that Cam's dad was approached about payment and he listened. but then again, I could be completely wrong. I just know what kind of guy Cam seems to be...and it doesn't look like he was raised by a dirty, cheating snake....
Probably a poor choice of words on my part, but you get what I'm saying. Cam seems to be a fine young man, I agree. Even if it was the scenario you suggest, it's still wrong. Anything short of Cecil Newton screaming to the NCAA about what had transpired with this "offer" was wrong. I'm sure it's easier said than done when you start thinking about what you could do with $200k, but still. What he did was wrong either way.
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I personally think that Cam's dad was approached about payment and he listened. but then again, I could be completely wrong. I just know what kind of guy Cam seems to be...and it doesn't look like he was raised by a dirty, cheating snake....
Good possibility. I had the idea in my mind that Cecil might have shopped Cam to Miss St, when/if the coaches turned him down cold (as has been told) he saw that if a school with a need like the Bulldogs weren't willing to pay for fear of NCAA retaliation then nobody else would either, so he sent Cam to Auburn on the up and up.
As for his motivation; from what I have heard his church is on the verge of collapse. I'm sure lots of good people have been tempted by far less money when they have faced a need.
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If he didn't, neither the NCAA or Mike Slive did him any favors.
That's as cut and dry as I've ever seen.
Looks that way to me too. There were dirty hands somewhere in all this. You knew Rogers was in on it but how deeply was Cecil? If they found Cecil participated, so be it. Bailiff, wack his pee-pee.
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If he didn't, neither the NCAA or Mike Slive did him any favors.
That's as cut and dry as I've ever seen.
Good point. But that could have come from a he said she said which left doubt about who started what. There is no doubt that money was talked about, it's just hard for me to believe that Cecil Newton just went out and shopped his son.
Look, I don't know. And I am probably a homer, but it just seems weird to me that he "shopped" him to only one team...
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I heard on Jox that Kenny Rogers is seeking legal action for defamation. If I was Rogers, I would go run and hide because this thing isn't over for him. The state of Mississippi, the FBI and the NFL are all after him. Its clear this guy has no sense whatsoever.
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Good point. But that could have come from a he said she said which left doubt about who started what. There is no doubt that money was talked about, it's just hard for me to believe that Cecil Newton just went out and shopped his son.
Look, I don't know. And I am probably a homer, but it just seems weird to me that he "shopped" him to only one team...
Just a theory here but it could very well be that since Rogers' connections were with MSU, he pitched it to Cecil and the elder Newton saw green and said if you can get your people to cough up that kind of $$$...I'm in. Rogers may have had no other pull with schools outside his alma tomater.
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He is so butthurt, he is facebook chatting me...
Josh:just look how childish your comments are compared to mine... you acting like a 2yr Chad... you go something stupid to say, then send me a message or something, If your going to act like a dumbass don't do it on my page... thx
you act like i'm personally attacking you or your family or something... chill out man, no reason to be acting like children so the FB world can see it... Like i said, you want to be a dumbass, do it thru a message or on your own page, thanks... If you want to talk about it, then fine, but you want to argue about it then find someone else
Chad:you're a joke
I'm sorry, but I'm the one being childish?
Why are you so dead-set on digging for "sources not connected to Auburn"?
I'm just stating facts
you're stating tweet rumors
and I'm childish...
Josh: dude, you came on my fb page and said "Just wanted to drop by and say "Told you so"."
who fucking childish is that
Chad: Stop making outlandish claims and pretending their facts, and I won't call you on them
Josh: have i ever put anything on your page>???
ever??
Chad: you put enough anti-Auburn stuff on your own for all of facebook
I commented on exactly two of them
the most absurd ones
Josh: but the facts are that this is not over
and your acting like it is
that is absurb
stop actling like i just slapped your wife
it isn't personal you dumbass
Chad:it is personal, I actually went to school at Auburn, unlike you at Alabama
um, i did goto alabama
and fyi, i do goto AUM
Chad: and you are the relentless one
All I did was call you on your bullshit
sorry
Josh: i haven't posted anything in like 2 weeks
and it was shit on MY FB PAGE
it isn't personaly
personal
seriously, you need to calm down
it is football
and the facts are that it isn't over
period
Chad: Ok, Joe Shad...
Josh: ESPN is pretty big you know
they are the ones that are saying most of this
are you emailing them and throwing a temper tantrum
seriously, don't you think you should wait til it is all said and done before you start trying to say "i told you so"
Chad: no, far better to post 25 posts a day about how your inside sources know for a fact that it's true
Josh: ok let me say this
it is MY FB PAGE and i can say whatever i like
Chad: go nuts
you look foolish
Josh: and you think you don't look foolish by replying to and shit
Chad: replying to bullshit with facts
Josh: i just posted a bunch of links
and i told you about the rumors i've been hearing and you acted like you wanted to fight over it
THERE ARE NO FACTS YET YOU FUCKING RETARD
IT ISN'T OVER YET
ok, i'm done, if it makes you happy then i won't post anything else about Auburn on my page ever again
just for you...
unless of course Auburn gets nailed by the NCAA after the season is over... then it is fair game
i know you have sensitive feelings about it, so I'll stop ...haha omg
Chad: I thought you were done
Josh: just wanted to clarify that if you are wrong, you have opened yourself up to it
anyway, there is no need to fight about this for real man... seriously, this is ridiculous
we ar BOTH acting like 10yr olds now
we BOTH need to stop and chill out...
you have your opinions and i have mine... bottom line is that we will find out what will happen when the NCAA says, the case is over
until then, it is all speculation
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Probably a poor choice of words on my part, but you get what I'm saying. Cam seems to be a fine young man, I agree. Even if it was the scenario you suggest, it's still wrong. Anything short of Cecil Newton screaming to the NCAA about what had transpired with this "offer" was wrong. I'm sure it's easier said than done when you start thinking about what you could do with $200k, but still. What he did was wrong either way.
No doubt man. No doubt.
I just think that Cecil whoring out his son for some money is a HELL of a lot worse than someone saying, Man, I think we can get you between $100k and $180k for your son's signature.
I consider myself a moral and ethical person...but that shit would be hard not to listen to. Look at it like this:
You are a happily married man. You think your wife is absolutely gorgeous. You are happy at your job but they just hired this drop dead gorgeous girl with a perfect body. She sits right next to you and you start talking. It's nothing more than friendly talk but then it gets a little flirty after a couple of weeks. After some flirting for a little bit, you think she takes a liking to you. She even texts you a couple of time...nothing bad...while you are at home with your wife. You don't want to fuck up anything at work or at home, so you hide it and the small flirts continue. Finally the flirts get a little more and she officially makes a move on you. You deny her and go home to your wife and live happily ever after without telling anyone. You know the shit was going down the whole time and you did nothing about it. You even feel a little bad but you didn't do anything wrong right? You were just talking with a co-worker right? She came on to you right? Why should I tell and fuck things up right?
I can't believe I just typed all that...but hopefully you get my point.
Again, I have no clue though...
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Just a theory here but it could very well be that since Rogers' connections were with MSU, he pitched it to Cecil and the elder Newton saw green and said if you can get your people to cough up that kind of $$$...I'm in. Rogers may have had no other pull with schools outside his alma tomater.
perhaps...
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I consider myself a moral and ethical person...but that shit would be hard not to listen to. Look at it like this:
You are a happily married man. You think your wife is absolutely gorgeous. You are happy at your job but they just hired this drop dead gorgeous girl with a perfect body. She sits right next to you and you start talking. It's nothing more than friendly talk but then it gets a little flirty after a couple of weeks. After some flirting for a little bit, you think she takes a liking to you. She even texts you a couple of time...nothing bad...while you are at home with your wife. You don't want to fuck up anything at work or at home, so you hide it and the small flirts continue. Finally the flirts get a little more and she officially makes a move on you. You deny her and go home to your wife and live happily ever after without telling anyone. You know the shit was going down the whole time and you did nothing about it. You even feel a little bad but you didn't do anything wrong right? You were just talking with a co-worker right? She came on to you right? Why should I tell and fuck things up right?
It's like you had a videocamera on my life two months ago.
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It's like you had a videocamera on my life two months ago.
And you didn't say shit huh? You are going to hell you cheating ass snake...
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No doubt man. No doubt.
I just think that Cecil whoring out his son for some money is a HELL of a lot worse than someone saying, Man, I think we can get you between $100k and $180k for your son's signature.
I consider myself a moral and ethical person...but that shit would be hard not to listen to. Look at it like this:
You are a happily married man. You think your wife is absolutely gorgeous. You are happy at your job but they just hired this drop dead gorgeous girl with a perfect body. She sits right next to you and you start talking. It's nothing more than friendly talk but then it gets a little flirty after a couple of weeks. After some flirting for a little bit, you think she takes a liking to you. She even texts you a couple of time...nothing bad...while you are at home with your wife. You don't want to fuck up anything at work or at home, so you hide it and the small flirts continue. Finally the flirts get a little more and she officially makes a move on you. You deny her and go home to your wife and live happily ever after without telling anyone. You know the shit was going down the whole time and you did nothing about it. You even feel a little bad but you didn't do anything wrong right? You were just talking with a co-worker right? She came on to you right? Why should I tell and fuck things up right?
I can't believe I just typed all that...but hopefully you get my point.
Again, I have no clue though...
I would tell that bitch to back up with a quickness, because I like my balls where they are. Tucked away snugly in my wife's purse. Oh, and I would like to continue breathing. But, that's just me.
Seriously though, I do get your point. I don't think any of us are going to know to what extent the old man was involved in all of this. But he was involved enough for AU to limit the access of the father of quite possibly one of the best athletes to ever attend AU. Whether that was just a measure to save face with the NCAA or not, I don't know. But he was involved to some extent.
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No doubt man. No doubt.
I just think that Cecil whoring out his son for some money is a HELL of a lot worse than someone saying, Man, I think we can get you between $100k and $180k for your son's signature.
I consider myself a moral and ethical person...but that shit would be hard not to listen to. Look at it like this:
You are a happily married man. You think your wife is absolutely gorgeous. You are happy at your job but they just hired this drop dead gorgeous girl with a perfect body. She sits right next to you and you start talking. It's nothing more than friendly talk but then it gets a little flirty after a couple of weeks. After some flirting for a little bit, you think she takes a liking to you. She even texts you a couple of time...nothing bad...while you are at home with your wife. You don't want to fuck up anything at work or at home, so you hide it and the small flirts continue. Finally the flirts get a little more and she officially makes a move on you. You deny her and go home to your wife and live happily ever after without telling anyone. You know the shit was going down the whole time and you did nothing about it. You even feel a little bad but you didn't do anything wrong right? You were just talking with a co-worker right? She came on to you right? Why should I tell and fuck things up right?
I can't believe I just typed all that...but hopefully you get my point.
Again, I have no clue though...
Never shit where you eat.
Commit this to memory and you will be fine.
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No doubt man. No doubt.
I just think that Cecil whoring out his son for some money is a HELL of a lot worse than someone saying, Man, I think we can get you between $100k and $180k for your son's signature.
I consider myself a moral and ethical person...but that shit would be hard not to listen to. Look at it like this:
You are a happily married man. You think your wife is absolutely gorgeous. You are happy at your job but they just hired this drop dead gorgeous girl with a perfect body. She sits right next to you and you start talking. It's nothing more than friendly talk but then it gets a little flirty after a couple of weeks. After some flirting for a little bit, you think she takes a liking to you. She even texts you a couple of time...nothing bad...while you are at home with your wife. You don't want to fuck up anything at work or at home, so you hide it and the small flirts continue. Finally the flirts get a little more and she officially makes a move on you. You deny her and go home to your wife and live happily ever after without telling anyone. You know the shit was going down the whole time and you did nothing about it. You even feel a little bad but you didn't do anything wrong right? You were just talking with a co-worker right? She came on to you right? Why should I tell and fuck things up right?
I can't believe I just typed all that...but hopefully you get my point.
Again, I have no clue though...
That's a great analogy, but you still incur a shit storm once the bitch who was flirting you up calls your wife and tells her some crazy shit because she couldn't have you. Because then, you have to tell your wife the entire story, and all the trust she had in you will completely diminish.
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That's a great analogy, but you still incur a shit storm once the bitch who was flirting you up calls your wife and tells her some crazy shit because she couldn't have you. Because then, you have to tell your wife the entire story, and all the trust she had in you will completely diminish.
Which is what happened. I am not saying what dude did was right...I am just saying that shit is not so black and white as it seems sometimes...
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That's a great analogy, but you still incur a shit storm once the bitch who was flirting you up calls your wife and tells her some crazy shit because she couldn't have you. Because then, you have to tell your wife the entire story, and all the trust she had in you will completely diminish.
You been talking to my wi....? Um, never mind.
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Which is what happened. I am not saying what dude did was right...I am just saying that shit is not so black and white as it seems sometimes...
Agreed, but at this point, Cecil has more to worry about than the NCAA or FBI. He is a minister of God, and because he was involved in this circus, his ministry is now suffering. Not trying to get all biblical here, but one of David's greatest downfalls was his adultery with one of his Soldier's wife. God told David that he committed this sin in the dark, but God would punish him in the light for all of his neighbors to see. His punishment was severe because he gave the enemies of God a reason to attack the Word. What exactly was his punishment? He lost his son.
Tragic.
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You been talking to my wi....? Um, never mind.
That's skraight up experience. Except I didn't deny the temptation. And telling that story to the wife (after she already knew the truth) was brutal.
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That's skraight up experience. Except I didn't deny the temptation. And telling that story to the wife (after she already knew the truth) was brutal.
Been there, done that, know the pain you went through.
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If he didn't, neither the NCAA or Mike Slive did him any favors.
That's as cut and dry as I've ever seen.
Maybe, but if I asked you to give me a reach around, offer you $5 for your services and you agree...we just worked together on a pay-for-play plan.
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That's skraight up experience. Except I didn't deny the temptation. And telling that story to the wife (after she already knew the truth) was brutal.
Word
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Maybe, but if I asked you to give me a reach around, offer you $5 for your services and you agree...we just worked together on a pay-for-play plan.
And I'd be $5 richer.
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Maybe, but if I asked you to give me a reach around, offer you $5 for your services and you agree...we just worked together on a pay-for-play plan.
I give ya 4.
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Token can I get an update on how many domestic violence calls have come over the scanner in the last hour or so?
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Token can I get an update on how many domestic violence calls have come over the scanner in the last hour or so?
As of this moment, none.
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I just watched the video of this on ESPN.com. You know there are alligators in Lake Eufaula. I can scout out a spot if you want to tag him over the head and bring him on down here.
I called him a lot of 4 letter words at the ga game. Was only about 30 feet from him. He had 2 bodyguards so obviously he knows he's a dickhead.
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As of this moment, none.
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How come you have a red and white Atlanta Braves logo on your web page?
Thrilla is this the color of mourning due to Booby retiring?
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How come you have a red Atlanta Braves logo on your web page?
Don't sass me.
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The meltdown on TI is epic. Redfish is a dead man.
:rofl:
The women are just taking off their bandages.
Btw, Cecil Newton hasn't been charged with asking for $$$. Imo, Rogers is the one that brought up money first, Cecil just listened. And...MSU is actually the one that should still be worried. If Coach Mullen jumps to another job at the end of the season, that'll be telling.
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Been there, done that, know the pain you went through.
Trust me, coming clean up front is the best way to go. Better to spin the story your own way than to let things fall to chance... especially if you have only a very limited and blurry memory of events.
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The women are just taking off their bandages.
Btw, Cecil Newton hasn't been charged with anything. Rogers is the one that brought up money first, Cecil just listened. And...MSU is actually the one that should still be worried. If Coach Mullen jumps to another job at the end of the season, that'll be telling.
Charged no, but he has been punished by AU. That tells me a lot!
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Btw, Cecil Newton hasn't been charged with anything.
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Charged no, but he has been punished by AU. That tells me a lot!
What it tells me is that when it comes to compliance, AU is taking NO chances. One whiff and POOF!! Out you go.
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What it tells me is that when it comes to compliance, AU is taking NO chances. One whiff and POOF!! Out you go.
Bingo....but people callin Cecil a piece of shit, because he listened....Seriously?!?!
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Bingo....but people callin Cecil a piece of shit, because he listened....Seriously?!?!
I'll never go so far as to do that. Temptation when it comes to money and teh wimmenz is a powerful drug. I never got caught up in all the speculation and what "sources close to the situation" said, but with this current revelation, I tend to think Cecil Newton tested the waters when talk of that kind of $$$ came up. I can't see Auburn taking this kind of action if his hands were totally clean and I don't think they'd risk alienating Cam at this point by shitting on his father if all the cards weren't on the table.
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I'll never go so far as to do that. Temptation when it comes to money and teh wimmenz is a powerful drug. I never got caught up in all the speculation and what "sources close to the situation" said, but with this current revelation, I tend to think Cecil Newton tested the waters when talk of that kind of $$$ came up. I can't see Auburn taking this kind of action if his hands were totally clean and I don't think they'd risk alienating Cam at this point by shitting on his father if all the cards weren't on the table.
Again, I am a homer and just guessing...but I would bet that Chizik or someone high up had a talk with Cam and Cecil about this action and exactly why it was going to happen. I doubt the just banned him and have completely turned their back on him all together...
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I'll never go so far as to do that. Temptation when it comes to money and teh wimmenz is a powerful drug. I never got caught up in all the speculation and what "sources close to the situation" said, but with this current revelation, I tend to think Cecil Newton tested the waters when talk of that kind of $$$ came up. I can't see Auburn taking this kind of action if his hands were totally clean and I don't think they'd risk alienating Cam at this point by shitting on his father if all the cards weren't on the table.
See your problem is you put the pussy on a pedestal.
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I've just flipped around the channels and it's almost to the point of ridiculous and flat out hilarious how all the experts and media types from ESPN to Sporting News to Finebum etc. are all trying desperately to save face by insisting it's not over because of this wording or that. Really? Why is it not over? What other issue is there to decide? The NCAA has investigated and made a ruling. Cecil Hurt is now on saying that it's "Clear the NCAA is saying (By never saying) that there's an ongoing investigation".
Really? Says who? Where Cam Newton and Auburn are concerned, what the hell else do you have to look into? Bottom line, all the people who cried foul and wanted to scoop the story of the century now have egg all over their collective faces and are claiming anything to not look like the fucking vultures they are.
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I've just flipped around the channels and it's almost to the point of ridiculous and flat out hilarious how all the experts and media types from ESPN to Sporting News to Finebum etc. are all trying desperately to save face by insisting it's not over because of this wording or that. Really? Why is it not over? What other issue is there to decide? The NCAA has investigated and made a ruling. Cecil Hurt is now on saying that it's "Clear the NCAA is saying (By never saying) that there's an ongoing investigation".
Really? Says who? Where Cam Newton and Auburn are concerned, what the hell else do you have to look into? Bottom line, all the people who cried foul and wanted to scoop the story of the century now have egg all over their collective faces and are claiming anything to not look like the fucking vultures they are.
Sounds like a bunch of Toddlers going...but, but, but
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Cecil Hurt really sounds just that...hurt. He actually sounds like he's about to cry.
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I've just flipped around the channels and it's almost to the point of ridiculous and flat out hilarious how all the experts and media types from ESPN to Sporting News to Finebum etc. are all trying desperately to save face by insisting it's not over because of this wording or that. Really? Why is it not over? What other issue is there to decide? The NCAA has investigated and made a ruling. Cecil Hurt is now on saying that it's "Clear the NCAA is saying (By never saying) that there's an ongoing investigation".
Really? Says who? Where Cam Newton and Auburn are concerned, what the hell else do you have to look into? Bottom line, all the people who cried foul and wanted to scoop the story of the century now have egg all over their collective faces and are claiming anything to not look like the fucking vultures they are.
All that matters:
Cam Newton has now been cleared to compete without conditions.
This means that there will be NO VACATION OF WINS, which means IT'S OVER.
Don't get why that's hard for the media to comprehend. Well, really I do, it's everything you just mentioned...
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All that matters:This means that there will be NO VACATION OF WINS, which means IT'S OVER.
Don't get why that's hard for the media to comprehend. Well, really I do, it's everything you just mentioned...
Also, this.
The NCAA won't say its case is closed on Newton. However, its statement notes that reinstatement likely occurs "prior to the close of an investigation."
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All that matters:This means that there will be NO VACATION OF WINS, which means IT'S OVER.
Don't get why that's hard for the media to comprehend. Well, really I do, it's everything you just mentioned...
Two reasons why some media/people won't let this story die the way it's wanting to:
1. They don't want to admit they're wrong, and they don't want to lose credibility. This goes for super secret internet insiders.
2. They actually believe the FBI is knocking on Auburn's doors and about to expose Auburn for being involved with McGregor's casino.
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2. They actually believe the FBI is knocking on Auburn's doors and about to expose Auburn for being involved with McGregor's casino.
Are there really people outside of BOL that believe that pile of bullshit?
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All that matters:This means that there will be NO VACATION OF WINS, which means IT'S OVER.
Don't get why that's hard for the media to comprehend. Well, really I do, it's everything you just mentioned...
I think the following quotes from the NCAA is everybody's hangup:
Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time
Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete’s involvement are determined.
I think the investigation is still ongoing. They're just at the point where they have decided whether Cam was involved or not. The NCAA didn't really comment on the finality of the investigation itself, just the status of Cam's eligibility. Still, I don't think AU has anything to worry about unless they paid him, which I highly doubt. This investigation is probably still ongoing on the MSU end.
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I think the following quotes from the NCAA is everybody's hangup:
I think the investigation is still ongoing. They're just at the point where they have decided whether Cam was involved or not. The NCAA didn't really comment on the finality of the investigation itself, just the status of Cam's eligibility. Still, I don't think AU has anything to worry about unless they paid him, which I highly doubt. This investigation is probably still ongoing on the MSU end.
What the hell else can they say?
"Well, we investigated and no matter what evidence is ever brought forth in the future, we're closing this case."??
They are leaving the door open as a CYA move. And, I agree, MSU is just beginning to feel the heat here.
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHA...the "Expert" from Ohio University is on Finebung right now and he's absolutley making a fool of himself. Just said the NCAA got caught with their pants down because they had no rule concenring soliciting money for a player to play some where. He said it's speaks volumes that Slive was not at the Iron Bowl, but PF just said....well, he actually hasn't to many games at all this year. This guy is fucking making a fool of himself.
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What the hell else can they say?
"Well, we investigated and no matter what evidence is ever brought forth in the future, we're closing this case."??
They are leaving the door open as a CYA move. And, I agree, MSU is just beginning to feel the heat here.
^Gets it.
"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, the future, forever and ever, Amen."
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He's now saying any other school not so high proifile would have suspended their QB immediately. But the NCAA is so inconsistent in how they handle low/high profile schools.
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:clap: Thats a good one!
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See your problem is you put the pussy on a pedestal.
Which is as it should be...
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What the hell else can they say?
"Well, we investigated and no matter what evidence is ever brought forth in the future, we're closing this case."??
They are leaving the door open as a CYA move. And, I agree, MSU is just beginning to feel the heat here.
Fucking word
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Cecil Hurt really sounds just that...hurt. He actually sounds like he's about to cry.
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I think the following quotes from the NCAA is everybody's hangup:
I think the investigation is still ongoing. They're just at the point where they have decided whether Cam was involved or not. The NCAA didn't really comment on the finality of the investigation itself, just the status of Cam's eligibility. Still, I don't think AU has anything to worry about unless they paid him, which I highly doubt. This investigation is probably still ongoing on the MSU end.
I listened to several experts on this today, that are NOT involved. While the investigation may not be over, 2 things are clear. They have all the fact currently known, and made this ruling, and it's clear by the ruling Auburn has no culpability in anything...meaning IF any enforcement action were to take place on the currently known facts, they'd be against MSU.
I maintained this all along...if they couldn't find that money ever changed hands, and that there was no evidence of shopping Cam to Auburn...the NCAA would not punish Auburn either with sanctions, or by ruling Cam ineligible for any games.
The way this played out confirms what I and others have said...like Tony Barnhart...Auburn is/was supremely confident that Auburn's hands were clean, and that no money ever changed hands...and they knew that cooperation with the NCAA would result in what happened today. Auburn will NEVER be punished here unless someone uncovers something completely new and unknown to this point, namely that some Auburn booster paid Cam or Cecil. The only entity that has a worry at this point, is MSU, and I doubt they have much to worry about since they at least gave lip service to reporting this...although it was after Cam went to Auburn...and they've agreed to ban Rogers.
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It's like you had a videocamera on my life two months ago.
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For those following my facebook drama with this particular bammer, who has an article about how it's not over yet posted on his wall right now...
Chad: Some links "Not connected to Auburn": http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-11/cam-newton-probe/story/truth-of-the-matter-newton-cleared-of-wrongdoing
http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2010/12/01/stop-whining-ncaa-got-it-right-on-cam-newton-auburn/
Josh: lol
you still crying
Chad: And this one is "connected", but makes another good point
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1027309.html
Just trying to inform you
I didn't post it on your wall
Josh: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/2010-12-01-ncaa-newton-eligibility-q-and-a_N.htm
11 months from now, when I hear the NCAA say "this is over and AU is innocent, then i'll change my opinion...until then, not going to happen
fyi, I do appreciate you sending this on a message and not arguing with me so everyone can see it... look I have no problem that you have your own opinion, and I don't mind a good debate, but lets just keep it between you and me and not on each others wall so everyone can see it
Chad: ok
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/12/01/sec-commissioner-mike-slive-speaks-on-cam-newton-eligibility/
Slive said that he received a final set of established facts in the Newton case on Monday of this week. It was only upon receiving these established facts -- those facts that were agreed to by both the NCAA and Auburn -- that Slive was able to determine whether Newton violated SEC bylaws as well.
FINAL SET
does final not mean last?
there are people hanging on how they want to interperet the NCAA's statements
because the media looks like fools now
Auburn was never under investigation, despite what that article says
only Cam's recruitment at MSU
Josh: look if this is all bs, then I hope every media outlet that smeared Cam's name is sued and out of a job forever...just want to say that
but here is the main point of my opinion and also what the rumors that have been flying around is
2 of AU biggest boosters are in serious trouble for some of the most corrupt indictments i've ever seen in this state... do you agree with that?
Chad: McGregor is Troy's biggest booster too
he's not directly linked to Auburn
Josh: yes he is... but mcgregor is not nearly involved as Lowder
Chad: Lowder has had close to no power at Auburn in over 5 years
Josh: and lowder owns Auburn
Chad: owNED
Josh: he is the lead chairman and head of finance at AU right now
he has a monopoly over Auburn... I think he is the most corrupt modern day gangster in the south
I think that he has put Auburn in a situation that they could not get out of, because of his power and money
and I think Auburn has wanted him away from their program for a LONG time, but they can't get rid of him
I just think Lowder is going to be the downfall, and it is NOT Auburn's fault... I think they had no choice
I've said all along that the NCAA does not have the power, resources or authority to catch lowder and possibly mcgregor... the only way that he is caught is if the FBI finds out anything while they had him under servellence(sp)
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For those following my facebook drama with this particular bammer, who has an article about how it's not over yet posted on his wall right now...
Chad, I think you should point out to this guy that the McGregor rumor was started by two bammers in Huntsville trying to sell books. Also, the only ones reporting this was TMZ.
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For those following my facebook drama with this particular bammer, who has an article about how it's not over yet posted on his wall right now...
Love how all of bammers know so much about Milton and Lowder. If he had half a brain, he'd know Rane owns Auburn now :thumsup:
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Love how all of bammers know so much about Milton and Lowder. If he had half a brain, he'd know Rane owns Auburn now :thumsup:
You're right about that, coach.
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Dude just goes on and on...
Josh:it has just been stated from the beginning that when the court hearings with these 2 thugs are underway, or possibly over then that is when stuff will come out... and until those cases are in the books i'm going to stick to my opinion... just like you have the right to stick to yours
right now, it is obvious you are not going to change your opinion until something comes out that proves wrong doing, and likewise, I'm not going to change my opinion until the NCAA says, we are no long investigating anything and Auburn is innocent... seems fair to me
but of course we have both heard the rumors...just looking at this logically, i mean you have the FBI, SACS, SEC, NCAA invovled... you have a preacher shopping his son around, you have that POS Kenny Rodgers, and then there is AU who ended up with a Kid whose dad DID asked miss state for money... on top of that, AU(that was on probation by SACS just a couple years ago) has Pat Dye who is heavily involved in the AD, that was actually banned from the Auburn campus in 1993 til 1995 for paying players...as well as bobby lowder(go read all the shit he has done while at AU)... and on top of that, Lowder and McGregor are under serious federal indictments and were being staked out by the FBI for the past year or so...
you don't think people have a legit reason to be suspicious?
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Chad: The McGregor stuff was started by that Redfish moron trying to sell books in Hunstville. No one is reporting that but TMZ, who also reported Tupac is living in New Orleans, so...
Lowder has no power in Auburn anymore
Rane owns Auburn now
Josh:maybe right now, but when this stuff supposedly happened, Lowder was head of finance and head chairman... isn't that correct?
is he not on the BOT anymore?
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You cant argue with idiocy
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You're right about that, coach.
You're kight about that, roach!
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Josh: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/528661-bobby-lowder-may-be-the-next-logan-young-auburns-trustee-being-probed-by-feds
that is AU beloved bleacherreport
"Now, as Lowder's Colonial Bank collapsed last year, Lowder's power may be waning. While he still is arguably Auburn's most most powerful trustee, that may be a distinction that will only last a short while longer now, too."
Chad: That is 100% grade-A nonsense, as are most Bleacher Report blogs
read the comments
all of the commenters have more sense than that guy
even though he's inditing Alabama equally in that
Josh: well, very possible, i don't like it... but it does say that Lowder is AU most powerful booster still
and it just talks about his involvement with AU, and that is truth
and I can tell you, if Alabama's name was brought into this, I would not be blindly defending them... I'd just have my fingers crossed and hope for the best
Chad: The bottom line, on the Newton investigation, is that Auburn and Newton have been cleared by the NCAA
The fact is, the violation involved MSU. It does not affect his eligibility at AU. Case in point. An Alabama booster actually paid money for Albert Means to sign with Bama. Unlike the case with Cam, money actually changed hands. Yet, was Means ineligible to ever play football again? Nope. He signed with Memphis and went on to be a 2nd team All-CUSA player. So, if Means was eligible to play for any school besides Bama, why wouldn't Cam be eligible to play for any school besides MSU?
This other McGreggor/Lowder crap is a deflection since the Cam stuff is over
9:58am
Josh: but according to USATODAY, the Cam investigation is not over
Q. Does this mean the NCAA investigation is over?
A. No. We're talking about two different processes and departments within the NCAA. The reinstatement staff looked specifically at whether the father's actions with Mississippi State we...re enough to raise eligibility problems for Newton.
hey i agree the reporting on all this has gotten to be laughable
you've got media outlets going out and saying things that are completely different
bottom line is that after the court hearings with Lowder and McGregor we will know if Auburn is innocent or not... but until then, we do not know...
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Chad: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/12/scarbinsky_au_ncaa_get_it_righ.html
The ruling isn't total closure, but it's about as close as the NCAA will come in this kind of case.
Focus on this statement from NCAA official Kevin Lennon: "Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity."
Don't think the NCAA didn't look for that evidence. Hard.
Some analysts have seized on the phrase "at this time" to suggest that the NCAA's investigation is still full steam ahead.
The NCAA's statement bolstered that notion when it said, "Reinstatement decisions are independent of the NCAA enforcement process and typically are made once the facts of the student-athlete's involvement are determined. The reinstatement process is likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation."
Josh: right, unless something else comes out, then you are right
10:10am
Chad: But there's a key point the statement doesn't make. Auburn has not received an official letter of inquiry in this matter. That means it hasn't crossed the line from eligibility issue to infractions case.
It's always possible that new information can come to light, but consider the expert opinion of Montgomery attorney Donald Jackson, a frequent opponent of the NCAA in eligibility cases.
"If there was a big fire here, this ruling wouldn't have happened," Jackson said.
Josh: however, any info the FBI might have about it will not come out until after their case is handled and is of no more use to them...
and from the stuff i've heard, that is where the info is...with the FBI
not the NCAA
Chad: That's what you get from listening to Bama message boards
What in God's Green Earth would the FBI give a rat's ass about a college player's eligibility?
Josh: look it don't matter who said what, the cases will happen and then everyone will know, one way or the other
hell no they don't
Chad: The FBI is involved to put Kenny Rogers behind bars
Josh: no the FBI is involved to put Lowder in prison
and to investigate to find if the whole "Pay for play" thing is more widespread AT MSU.
they don't care about a two bit sports rep
Chad: maybe.
but that's a completely seperate thing
that has zero to do with paying players
Josh: miss st is in the clear in my opinion
Chad: Really?
you think Auburn is in trouble, but MSU is not?
Josh: they don't have any booster under federal indictments
Chad: when this whole thing was over MSU's recruitment of Newton, and Auburn was never under investigation to begin with?
Chad: And the NCAA came out and said he's eligible to play at Auburn?
Josh: it is all about the political corruption and bank fraud
and if the bank fraun includes paying players then yeah, Auburn is in trouble
wouldn't you agree with that
and don't you think there is at least the possibility of that ... i mean if Lowder is commiting bank fraud, don't you think he'd careless about paying players too
he is a snake
and how can anyone trust him
you can't say he isn't capable of doing something like that, given his track record
Chad: He isn't capable financially any more
Josh: maybe not now, but this stuff happened a year ago or more
i mean, is it not common sense that if Cecil asked Miss St for money, that he didn't at least ask Auburn for money also?
because up until yesterday it was just about the dealings with Miss State, but it looks as though that has been cleared now, and i think that they are now moving on
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Can't you just convince him to register him where we can have a public beating?
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One fish, two fish, Redfish, Blue fish
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Can't you just convince him to register him where we can have a public beating?
Please, please, please.
Do it Chad. Sorry and no offense, but your friend is a fucking dumbass.
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I cannot believe you are still arguing with him....this is the biggest idiot I have ever seen
BTW Colonial Bank collapsed long before anyone knew who the fuck Cam Newton was.
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Put the facebooks down and slowly walk away.
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Put the facebooks down and slowly walk away.
No Shit
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Put the facebooks down and slowly walk away.
Just put it down slowly. No one gets hurt.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5876716
NCAA will work to change bylaws
Thursday to the backlash that the governing body is allowing Cam Newton to play in the SEC championship game even though his father sought payment for his services.
"We recognize that many people are outraged at the notion that a parent or anyone else could 'shop around' a student-athlete and there would possibly not be repercussions on the student-athlete's eligibility," Emmert said in a statement on the NCAA's web site.
Emmert added that he's committed to "further clarifying and strengthening our recruiting and amateurism rules so they promote appropriate behavior by students, parents, coaches and third parties." He also said the NCAA will "work aggressively with our members to amend our bylaws so that this type of behavior is not a part of intercollegiate athletics."
The NCAA ruled Wednesday that the Heisman favorite was unaware of the pay-for-play scheme concocted by his father, Cecil, and the owner of a scouting service. The NCAA declared Newton eligible to play for Auburn (No. 1 BCS, No. 2 AP) Saturday against South Carolina (No. 19 BCS, No. 18 AP).
Cecil Newton and Kenny Rogers -- the former Mississippi State player who worked for an agent -- sought money for the quarterback to play for the Bulldogs.
George Lawson, the Newton family attorney, said Thursday that Cecil Newton cooperated with the NCAA.
"Cam's father participated in the investigation truthfully and honestly in terms of what he knew and what he didn't know, regardless of the consequences," Lawson told WSB-TV in Atlanta.
As to whether any money changed hands, the attorney said: "Absolutely not."
Lawson added that he "would hope" the investigation is over.
"But if it is not at an end, Cam and his family will continue to participate," he said
Within the span of two days, the NCAA notified Auburn of violations of amateurism rules, the school declared Newton ineligible, and then the governing body reinstated him, clearing Newton to compete without conditions.
The NCAA noted that reinstatement decisions are separate from the enforcement process and usually are "likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation."
On its web site Thursday NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach said her staff investigates all types of rules violations.
"Some of these investigations affect student-athlete eligibility and others do not," Lach explained. "The investigation does not stop with a student-athlete eligibility issue, but school officials must address it as soon as they are aware of the violations."
Late Wednesday, USC athletic director Pat Haden told The Los Angeles Times that he was surprised by the NCAA's ruling on Newton.
USC was hit with sanctions this summer in the wake of the Reggie Bush investigation.
"In the Reggie Bush case, when the parent [did] something inappropriate the kid and the school suffered," Haden told The Times.
Bush returned the Heisman Trophy and the school was hit with a postseason ban, scholarship reductions and probation after the NCAA found that Bush and his parents accepted extra benefits from agents and sports marketers when Bush was at USC.
"I was always told the parent is the child. That's what we've been telling our kids," Haden said to the paper. "If the parent does something inappropriate the child suffers the consequences."
The NCAA took issue with comparisons made to the case involving Bush.
The NCAA said "If a student-athlete does not receive tangible benefits, that is a different situation from a student-athlete or family member who receives cash, housing or other benefits or knowingly competes and is compensated as a professional athlete."
Mark Jones, an Indianapolis attorney who works with NCAA-related cases, said the reinstatement committee generally relies on the school's self-report in making decisions involving eligibility issues and doesn't investigate.
He said the swift movement on reinstatement is common during an athlete's season.
"The student-athlete reinstatement staff's job is to evaluate things from the student-athlete's perspective," said Jones, the chair of collegiate sports practice for Ice Miller. "That's very important in analyzing what they're going to do in terms of whether any sanctions might be necessary for the student-athlete."
Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs, said on the web site that when the reinstatement staff reviews eligibility cases they review each case based on its own merits and specific facts.
"During the decision, we must examine a number of factors, including guidelines established by our membership for what conditions should be applied based on the nature and scope of the violation," Lennon said. "We also carefully consider any mitigating factors presented by the university to determine if relief from the guidelines should be provided."
Lennon said Wednesday of the Newton case:
"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement."
The recruiting scandal, pay-for-play investigation may not be over as the NCAA has not closed the case on the Newtons, leaving the door open for future discipline.