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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Ogre on December 07, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
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This website has correctly predicted the Heisman Trophy winner for the past seven years:
http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/ (http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/)
Currently, they have it between Gerhart and Suh, with Ingram trailing in 3rd. What I've found interesting is that based on the ballots they know about, Suh has a commanding lead with 20 1st place votes (as of 1:22 this morning). They are still projecting Gerhart to win out.
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Interesting. I wonder if Ingram being a sophomore is affecting some voters. I know Tebow got it as a Sophomore, but maybe voters are still only willing to do that on "out of this world" performances like Tebow had. Ingram's season has been great, especially since it's for the #1 team, but maybe people need to see 2000+ yards from a sophomore, or 50 TDs or something crazy.
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Interesting. I wonder if Ingram being a sophomore is affecting some voters. I know Tebow got it as a Sophomore, but maybe voters are still only willing to do that on "out of this world" performances like Tebow had. Ingram's season has been great, especially since it's for the #1 team, but maybe people need to see 2000+ yards from a sophomore, or 50 TDs or something crazy.
Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.
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Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.
Easy for a QB. Not so easy for a RB. Ingram certainly deserves to be in the top 2-3, but I'm not 100% certain that he is the very best candidate.
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Easy for a QB. Not so easy for a RB. Ingram certainly deserves to be in the top 2-3, but I'm not 100% certain that he is the very best candidate.
When :bamahomer: says this, you know he's not Heisman worthy.
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Sam Bradford won it as a Sophomore last year.
Oh yeah, forgot about him, outta sight outta mind I guess. Points still the same though....he got it with 4,700 yards passing and 50 TDs to 8 pics and led the nation in passer rating too...."out of this world" type season.
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Gerhart or Suh should win it but won't because the voters/networks are obsessed with these mythical comparisons about how players would perform in different leagues. First, you play who you play and if you dominate, so be it. Second, these mythical comparisons of stats are ridiculous because some of the best players on the next level didn't play in the SEC or Big XII, etc.
The Heisman is hollow. Period.
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The Heisman is hollow. Period.
I saw Bo Jackson's one time. I knocked on it. It seemed pretty solid to me. I'm really disappointed if it's hollow.
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The Heisman is hollow. Period.
I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.
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I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.
We already have two from the days when the Heisman meant something. Why do we need more? The last one that really lived up to his potential was Barry Sanders.
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I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.
Wrong again! Do you even watch football?
Mark Ingram is the best back in the SEC and a deserving candidate. I'm simply stating an opinion about who I think should win it.
Chris Todd doesn't deserve shit. Neither does Ben Tate. They didn't earn it. Period.
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They have updated their predictions. They now have Suh and Gerhart in a dead heat, with Ingram trailing by a hair. Should be a close race.
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I can't help but think that your opinion might differ if Ben Tate or Chris Todd were one of the frontrunners.
This is just a dumb argument. I understand it's just you doing a Auburn, Alabama blah blah blah...
However, I could also make the point that IFFF (They have no business being in the discussion...just using the example here...) Todd, or Tate HAD been eligible, it would have been for the exact purpose the Heisman is meant for. That's to recognize the best player in college football this season, and not one of the better players on a very popular media darling. So your comparison is actually kind of lamo here.
I'd be voting for Suh. He single handedly hamstrung Texas all night the other night because of his personal dominance. That's a game changer and a REAL candidate.
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I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year. It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable. There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you. I'm actually pulling for him.
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I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year. It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable. There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you. I'm actually pulling for him.
McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...
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Bradford was a fucking machine when he won it. Got the big H curse in the NC game, but regular season that guy was unreal.
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McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...
He's wearing a check shirt and striped pants....What? No, he's not retarded.
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McCoy was hearing.. "What'sa happenin' hot stuffff?..." All night...
So he made Colt his new American-style girlfriend?
That's hot.
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I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year.
Ditto
It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable.
Ditto
There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you.
Ditto
I'm actually pulling for him.
annnnd ditto
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I saw that Longdukdong Suh fellow in 3 games this year.
DILDO
It's been a loooong time since i've seen a defensive lineman who is absolutely unblockable.
DILDO
There is no stopping the guy and if you go near him, he's going to hurt you.
DILDO
I'm actually pulling for him.
aaaaaand DILDO
BTW, they've official named the Top Five Finalists (I'm not sure if that website had the official Top Five):
In alphabetical order:
Toby Gerhart
Mark Ingram
Colt McCoy
Ndamukong SUH
Tim Tebow
The Heisman Trophy goes to the Best Player in the ENTIRE Country.....NOT one of the best player(s) on one of the best teams.
So, that being said:
1). DT Ndamukong Suh (take him out of that defense....Nebraska doesn't go bowling this year)
Didn't have an OFF game, this year.
2). RB/Masher Toby Gerhart (take him out of that offense......Stanford doesn't go bowling this year)
Didn't have an OFF game, this year or last year.
3). QB Colt McCoy (take him out of that offense......Texas looks more like Oklahoma)
Had an OFF game against Nebraska...who's lead by more than likely the #1 NFL Draft Pick in Ndamukong Suh.
4). RB Mark Ingram (take him out of that offense......Trent/Maze/Peek/Juicio/Hanks)
Had a VERY OFF game against an average to below average defense in Auburn.
5). QB Tim Tebow (take him out of that offense......refer back to the SEC Championship Game)
IMO, he hasn't wowed me at all this year...could it be that his Soph. year was just that fantastic, that it has somewhat taken away from what he's done this year? I don't know, probably.
Now, make your pick. I've already made up my mind as my top two.
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This may be the year I gain respect for the Heisman Trophy race. A defensive tackle possibly winning? I really hope it happens.
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This may be the year I gain respect for the Heisman Trophy race. A defensive tackle possibly winning? I really hope it happens.
I'm with you there. For the Heisman Trophy to somewhat regain it's place as the Top Dawg Trophy among ALL of the other ones, Suh or Gerhart should be the one standing at the podium giving his acceptance speech.
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What is a Heisman TROPY?
Suh or Gherhart should get it. Maybe even share?
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What is a Heisman TROPY?
Suh or Gherhart should get it. Maybe even share?
Wow, I didn't even catch the typo.
The website how has Ingram in the lead, FWIW.
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Wow, I didn't even catch the typo.
The website how has Ingram in the lead, FWIW.
Ugh... Bama jock strap swingin' in the trophy race....
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If we're mentioning Suh as who should win it, just for shits and giggles, why not Rolando McClain?
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If we're mentioning Suh as who should win it, just for shits and giggles, why not Rolando McClain?
There is a policy that no more than one mouthbreathing bammer player may be nominated per year. You've met the quota.
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There is a policy that no more than one mouthbreathing bammer player may be nominated per year. You've met the quota.
Seriously though, I'm not saying that its a travesty that he's not being considered, but if you're giving it to a player on defense, why should McClain not at least be considered?
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Seriously though, I'm not saying that its a travesty that he's not being considered, but if you're giving it to a player on defense, why should McClain not at least be considered?
And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.
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And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.
I voted for Gus the Mule once. So pissed he wasn't on the ballot, I never voted again.
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And then let's give a look to Arenas. I mean why not? He is a bad ass on special teams. I mean, if we have one for Offense and defense, let's throw in a special teams star in there too.
Its not like what I am saying is that ridiculous. I don't think Suh is undeserving or anything, and I don't really see Ingram winning it for that matter. I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.
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I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.
Character issues
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Its not like what I am saying is that ridiculous. I don't think Suh is undeserving or anything, and I don't really see Ingram winning it for that matter. I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.
Probably because he plays on a bad ass defense, while Suh is the defense.
What makes you think Ingram isn't going to get it? I believe it's his to lose.
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McClain - Yes he is good. VERY good. Most likely to be the first LB taken in the draft. But no defensive player has dominated this year or in recent years like Suh. He is unblockable. Go back and watch the Texas game or the Va Tech game. This guy is nuts. He slung McCoy around with 1 arm more than once. He makes some amazing tackles and moves a lot quicker than a guy that is 300 lbs. Suh will be a top 5 draft pick. McClain is an A. Suh is an A+.
83 Tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23 TFL. Texas couldnt block him for shit. Texas - one of the best and most loaded teams (talent wise) in the country. It wasnt like he had that performance against Fresno St or Eastern Illinois. It was against a good ball club.
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Probably because he plays on a bad ass defense, while Suh is the defense.
What makes you think Ingram isn't going to get it? I believe it's his to lose.
I don't think Ingram has put up insane enough stats for the voters to feel good about. I don't think they are going to take into account how he runs, the level of competition, etc. I think if he got some of the carries that went to Richardson he would be in a little better position.
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The fact that you wanna throw out all these guys (even hypothetically), as potential Heisman candidates, is exactly why Ingram shouldn't be one.
He's a mere cog in an overall really good machine.
Suh IS the machine. Gerhardt too.
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The fact that you wanna throw out all these guys (even hypothetically), as potential Heisman candidates, is exactly why Ingram shouldn't be one.
He's a mere cog in an overall really good machine.
Suh IS the machine. Gerhardt too.
wondering why you didn't bring that up when ibelonginprison said "UA is leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post". Now I disagreed with him, I'm with you.
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I voted for Gus the Mule once. So pissed he wasn't on the ballot, I never voted again.
OYAGE!
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McClain is a stud, no doubt, and he can dominate on a play or a drive, but Suh dominates and controls whole games. He leads his team in tackles from a defensive line position....that's not normal.
To be a defensive player and be considered you can't just say "hey, why not this guy, he's really, really good"...you have to say "I've never seen anything like this", which a lot of people say about Suh (right or wrong, as people tend to forget the past...like Lawrence Taylor at UNC or even Mario Williams from just a few years ago).
But the point is, Suh makes you say it, McClain doesn't.
Take McClain out of the Alabama defense and it probably costs you some yards on a few plays here or there. Take Suh out of the Nebraska line up and Texas probably scores 35 points as McCoy stands in there and does his thing.
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And using your "why not McClain" logic, you could say..."if Ingram, why not Hardesty?".
He's run for over 1,300 yards on a team that had no passing game for most of the year, and he shared carries with a freshman. I personally think he's just as dynamic of a runner as Ingram too. I'll also throw in the cheap shot about how he had 146 total yards against Auburn to Ingram's 51. :)
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And using your "why not McClain" logic, you could say..."if Ingram, why not Hardesty?".
He's run for over 1,300 yards on a team that had no passing game for most of the year, and he shared carries with a freshman. I personally think he's just as dynamic of a runner as Ingram too. I'll also throw in the cheap shot about how he had 146 total yards against Auburn to Ingram's 51. :)
Ingram had 51 yards rushing against AU? Hell, give that man a beer. Then he can sing Tear in my Beer the next time he has a "hip pointer". Yeah, thats it.... :bc:
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I just wonder what it is that McClain's name has never been brought up.
Kevin Scarbo says hello.
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html)
Call me a Heisman homer, but no one's better than Ro
By Kevin Scarbinsky -- The Birmingham News
December 07, 2009, 2:51PM
Stop it, you jackals.
Enough with the emails and the calls and the ``friendly'' reminders.
I just submitted my ballot for the 75th Heisman Memorial Trophy.
Finally.
Friends and family members know I'm prone to procrastination, but this is ridiculous.
As always, I tried to ignore the crowd and go my own way as I debated what it means to be the most outstanding player in college football.
In the end, I went with my eyes, through a violent case of pink eye, and my gut, and would someone please pass the Pepto?
This is what I saw, how I felt and how I voted:
1. Rolando McClain, Alabama.
2. Mark Ingram, Alabama.
3. Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska.
Call me a Heisman homer, but McClain is the best player I saw, in person or on television, regardless of position, and the ballot includes no conditions or asterisks.
The Alabama linebacker just happens to be the best player in college football on the best team in college football.
He also happens to be the best player on the better side of the ball at Alabama.
I put McClain ahead of Ingram because Alabama's defense is the main reason for its 13-0 record, its No. 1 ranking and its spot in the BCS Championship Game and because McClain is the main reason Alabama is the best defense in the nation.
I also put McClain ahead of Ingram because McClain played the last 9 1/2 games without Alabama's second-best linebacker, the injured Dont'a Hightower, while Ingram stayed fresh thanks to fab frosh Trent Richardson.
I put Ingram ahead of everyone else because no offensive player in America played a bigger role in big game after big game against better defenses than the Alabama running back.
Suh simply had the most dominating season by a defensive tackle in years.
Where's Colt McCoy, you ask?
He had a better season last year, when I voted him No. 1.
Tim Tebow?
He had a better season two years ago, when he won.
Toby Gerhart?
Great numbers, but he had just 21 more combined rushing and receiving yards than Ingram, and he didn't have the same pressure of performing all season in the middle of the national championship race.
That's my story.
What's yours?
Although I disagree with him thinking that McClain is more dominate and better than Shu, I do agree that if anyone off the bammer team deserves it, McClain does more than any of his teammates.
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Kevin Scarbo says hello.
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html)
Although I disagree with him thinking that McClain is more dominate and better than Shu, I do agree that if anyone off the bammer team deserves it, McClain does more than any of his teammates.
I usually don't like Scarbinsky, but he had some pretty good points in there. Ingram is one of the best RBs in the country. McClain is overall one of the best players in college football today, period. I don't think you could go wrong with either one, but I've just been curious over the past few days why it seems McClain's name hasn't even been mentioned. Maybe because a LB has never won it before?
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"Toby Gerhart?
Great numbers, but he had just 21 more combined rushing and receiving yards than Ingram, and he didn't have the same pressure of performing all season in the middle of the national championship race."
I tend to think this is BS. Pressure of performing? He also didn't have a massive OL to clear out a running path. And he also only had 12 games, not 13. He also just happened to put up 300 more rushing yards, and 35-40% more touchdowns than Ingram. He carried his team on his shoulders... how's that for pressure.
So yeah, that's horseshit.
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I usually don't like Scarbinsky, but he had some pretty good points in there. Ingram is one of the best RBs in the country. McClain is overall one of the best players in college football today, period. I don't think you could go wrong with either one, but I've just been curious over the past few days why it seems McClain's name hasn't even been mentioned. Maybe because a LB has never won it before?
McClain is good, great even, but I just don't like his (Skarbinski's) rationale.
Alabama is the best team.
The best side of the ball for them is the defense.
The best player on their defense is McClain.
McClain is the Heisman winner.
I just don't get that at all. I mean, I get it in that it makes some logical sense, but "ergo" is no reason to follow logic. Example...gaining yards is good...therefore (ergo), whoever gains the most yards is the best. That just makes no sense, even though it isn't illogical.
I lean towards a combination of "most talented" and "most valuable". To me, both McClain and Ingram are both, but because they are on the best team, and surrounded by so many other talented players, their individual value is diminished a bit.
I go with my example from a few posts ago. Take McClain out of the lineup and put in Alabama's next best linebacker. They would still be a dominant defensive team. Maybe they'd give up another 20 yards and 3 more points, but still dominant. (ditto for taking out Ingram and using only Richardson and Upchurch....the production would drop some, but they'd still be a powerful running offense).
That "boy named Suh" IS the Nebraska defense. He's surrounded by average talent, yet is able to dominate a football game the way Kobe can dominate a basketball game. One defensive player shouldn't be able to have that kind of impact on a field with 21 other guys. Suh does.
Let me add that I also don't think voting McClain is insane or anything. He's a great player. If someone thinks he is the best player they saw this year, no big deal. I just don't follow his line of thinking and arrive at the same conclusion.
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That "boy named Suh" IS the Nebraska defense. He's surrounded by average talent, yet is able to dominate a football game the way Kobe can dominate a basketball game. One defensive player shouldn't be able to have that kind of impact on a field with 21 other guys. Suh does.
I can agree with that. Bottom line, somebody is going to be unhappy. Its a lose-lose situation for the voters. You're given a handful of highly talented players and asked to find the very best one, and usually they are all from different positions, so it makes it that much harder to compare.
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RWS:
I won't agree with your whole post... cause you're a bammer... but I'll add this in agreement to the spirit of your post...
The sum of all the parts being "the best" does not make the individual parts "the best."
Ferrari may have the best overall lineup of sports cars... but Chevy produced the ZR1, which whooped all the Ferrari's asses at the 'Ring.
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I don't think they are going to take into account the level of competition.
Ummmm, Wrong Again. That will definitely be the main thing that the voters take into account. I'm guessing you haven't watched the Heisman Ceremony that many times.
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Ummmm, Wrong Again. That will definitely be the main thing that the voters take into account. I'm guessing you haven't watched the Heisman Ceremony that many times.
Just because they SHOULD doesn't mean they WILL.
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Just because they SHOULD doesn't mean they WILL.
No one said....SHOULD. They WILL. They ALWAYS DO. Do you ever watch anything other than bammer football games and recorded VHS tapes of the Bahr show?
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No one said....SHOULD. They WILL. They ALWAYS DO. Do you ever watch anything other than bammer football games and recorded VHS tapes of the Bahr show?
Stale Golden Flake chips for everyone......
I wonder if he was buried with a bag.
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I wonder if he was buried with a bag.
That's no way to talk about Mary Harmon Mary Harmon.
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Ingram will become the first Heisman trophy winner this Saturday.
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Ingram will become the first Heisman trophy winner this Saturday.
Other people have won the Heisman...
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Ingram will become the first Heisman trophy winner this Saturday.
The first one.... Ever? and ever ever...and ever ever???
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Just because they SHOULD doesn't mean they WILL.
If voters didn't take the level of competition into account, the five guys in NYC right now would be Case Keenum, Kellen Moore, Toby Gerhart, RB Ryan Matthews of Fresno State, and WR Freddie Barns of Bowling Green.
They do care who you play. How much different voters view the Pac 10, the Big 12, and the SEC may not be a huge factor though, compared to how they view BCS schools verses the MWC or the WAC.
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www.stiffarmtrophy.com (http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com) has Gerhart and Ingram in a drag race. This site is the real deal and about half of the real votes have been accounted for.
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www.stiffarmtrophy.com (http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com) has Gerhart and Ingram in a drag race. This site is the real deal and about half of the real votes have been accounted for.
I really don't think I would want to see either in a dress.
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What sucks is that Suh leads by a large margin in first place votes, but doesn't appear on as many ballots overall. That's means a lot of people think he should win, but quite a few aren't even considering him because he's a defensive player.
If Ingram wins, I can't really complain, I guess he's about as worthy as the others...but I'll say this, I'll be thankful I live in Texas and don't have to work around Bammers who may very well be national champs and have the current Heisman winner. Talk about unbearable.
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What sucks is that Suh leads by a large margin in first place votes, but doesn't appear on as many ballots overall. That's means a lot of people think he should win, but quite a few aren't even considering him because he's a defensive player.
If Ingram wins, I can't really complain, I guess he's about as worthy as the others...but I'll say this, I'll be thankful I live in Texas and don't have to work around Bammers who may very well be national champs and have the current Heisman winner. Talk about unbearable.
Truth be told, Texas has just as much of a superiority complex as Bammer. Maybe worse. I hear it everyday from the Austin yuppies.
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Truth be told, Texas has just as much of a superiority complex as Bammer. Maybe worse. I hear it everyday from the Austin yuppies.
A lot of them do, it's true, but the difference is that the majority of them that are like that at least went to school there. Most of the Texas fans I know that didn't go there are simply fans of the team, without the arrogance, and are no more annoying than any other normal fan base.
Not to mention, here in Texas, if you work with 50 people, there might be 12-15 big time Texas fans, 8-10 big Texas A&M fans, another 8-10 that are a Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, etc. But that leaves somewhere around 15-22 people that don't care about any of the teams. You don't get that in Alabama. Basically everyone cares one way or the other.
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A lot of them do, it's true, but the difference is that the majority of them that are like that at least went to school there. Most of the Texas fans I know that didn't go there are simply fans of the team, without the arrogance, and are no more annoying than any other normal fan base.
Not to mention, here in Texas, if you work with 50 people, there might be 12-15 big time Texas fans, 8-10 big Texas A&M fans, another 8-10 that are a Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, etc. But that leaves somewhere around 15-22 people that don't care about any of the teams. You don't get that in Alabama. Basically everyone cares one way or the other.
Doesn't Texas have an enrollment of like....32,546,115...or something?
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Doesn't Texas have an enrollment of like....32,546,115...or something?
It does, but about 32,500,000 are liberal hippy types that don't give a poop about football and probably still don't get why a coach makes more than a teacher.
Austin is cool in some regards, but my favorite part of it is that they have a Mellow Mushroom.
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Austin is one of my favorite cities. A close second is San Antonio.
And he's right... UT has the biggest fan base, then A&M, then Tech, then you're talking Baylor, TCU, SFA, SWT (now Texas State) and about a dozen other schools. Here? No matter what Alabama college you went to... you pick AU or UA. Period.
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It does, but about 32,500,000 are liberal hippy types that don't give a poop about football and probably still don't get why a coach makes more than a teacher.
Austin is cool in some regards, but my favorite part of it is that they have a Mellow Mushroom.
This is why i don't like Austin or Athens. Bunch of hippy Michael Stipe wannabees.
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This is why i don't like Austin or Athens. Bunch of hippy Michael Stipe wannabees.
That is the downside to Austin. In an otherwise very cool city, there are quite a few of those types mixed in. If you can look past them, the city is very cool...great restaurants, music, 6th Street, etc.
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Kevin Scarbo says hello.
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2009/12/call_me_a_heisman_homer.html)
Although I disagree with him thinking that McClain is more dominate and better than Shu, I do agree that if anyone off the bammer team deserves it, McClain does more than any of his teammates.
So Alabama has THE TOP 2 football players in America? Bull fucking shit. What a fucking homer...
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I noticed on the stiffarmtrophy.com website that in their seven years of predicting it correct, five of those years the actual % of the winner was 2% or more lower than their prediction.
Currently Ingram is ahead by 1.6%. That means it's still essentially dead even. I wonder if this turns out to be the closest race ever?
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I noticed on the stiffarmtrophy.com website that in their seven years of predicting it correct, five of those years the actual % of the winner was 2% or more lower than their prediction.
Currently Ingram is ahead by 1.6%. That means it's still essentially dead even. I wonder if this turns out to be the closest race ever?
Ingram now at 43.8%.
Gerhart at 40.6.
If Stiffarmtrophy really is that accurate, this one is about over.
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So Alabama has THE TOP 2 football players in America? Bull fucking shit. What a fucking homer...
Please explain why Rolando McClain or Mark Ingram shouldn't be in this discussion. I would love to hear whatever bullshit reason you can come up with in regards to McClain. He's like having a coach on the field every snap, and is a top 10 draft pick.
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Please explain why Rolando McClain or Mark Ingram shouldn't be in this discussion. I would love to hear whatever bullpoop reason you can come up with in regards to McClain. He's like having a coach on the field every snap, and is a top 10 draft pick.
How about this? WHO GIVES A FUCK?
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How about this? WHO GIVES A FUCK?
Apparently War Eagle!!! does.
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Apparently War Eagle!!! does.
The Hiesman is about the best player in college football. Apparently, acording to Scarbinsky, Alabama has the best 2 players in college football on their team. The best fucking 2. That is what is bullshit. Fuck Tebow. Fuck McCoy. Fuck Gerhart. Fuck Suh. Fuck every other motherfucker in Division 1A, Alabama has THE BEST 2. If that ain't bullshit, I'm not sure what is...
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The Hiesman is about the best player in college football. Apparently, acording to Scarbinsky, Alabama has the best 2 players in college football on their team. The best fucking 2. That is what is bullshit. Fuck Tebow. Fuck McCoy. Fuck Gerhart. Fuck Suh. Fuck every other motherfucker in Division 1A, Alabama has THE BEST 2. If that ain't bullshit, I'm not sure what is...
Translation = because they are Alabama players. That is your only reasoning so far.
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Translation = because they are Alabama players. That is your only reasoning so far.
If common sense doesn't tell you that's ridiculous, nor do you follow War Eagle!!!'s sound reasoning on the matter, then there's a reason we made this smiley for you.
:bamahomer:
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Translation = because they are Alabama players. That is your only reasoning so far.
No dip shit. I don't give a fuck if it was Penn State. I am calling bullshit on the same team having the 2 best players in college football. Out of over 1000 or so Division 1 players, one team has the top 2? Bullshit. That is what I call bullshit on. Get your head out of your ass...
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Translation = because they are Alabama players. That is your only reasoning so far.
"Translation = Their Alabama players so I will defend whatever bullshit I have to to argue with Auburn people."
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"Translation = Their Alabama players so I will defend whatever bullshit I have to to argue with Auburn people."
Like I've already said, I'm not so sure Ingram is the very best candidate to win the Heisman. I can see where somebody else could win it. I'm not even saying that McClain is the VERY BEST player in college football. I'm simply saying he should certainly be in the discussion. He is the best LB in the country, so why couldn't he be at least considered as one of the top players in the country?
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Like I've already said, I'm not so sure Ingram is the very best candidate to win the Heisman. I can see where somebody else could win it. I'm not even saying that McClain is the VERY BEST player in college football. I'm simply saying he should certainly be in the discussion. He is the best LB in the country, so why couldn't he be at least considered as one of the top players in the country?
That's the thing. You argue just to fucking argue. Scarbinsky has a vote and has voted that Alabama has the best 2 players in the nation on their team. That is bullshit. Sure, you can make the arguement that McClain and Ingram are this or that, but Scarbinsky has a vote, and he voted McClain is the best player in the nation, and Ingram is the second best player in the nation. THAT is bullshit. THAT is all I have said. You are argueing just to argue...
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That's the thing. You argue just to phuking argue. Scarbinsky has a vote and has voted that Alabama has the best 2 players in the nation on their team. That is bullpoop. Sure, you can make the arguement that McClain and Ingram are this or that, but Scarbinsky has a vote, and he voted McClain is the best player in the nation, and Ingram is the second best player in the nation. THAT is bullpoop. THAT is all I have said. You are argueing just to argue...
And to help you out with your point War Eagle....there are over 10,000 division I players (85 x 120 programs = 10,200 players).
It's just a sign of Skarbinski's ignorance or at least local bias. Most writers stuck in a particular bubble (and aren't all Alabama media memebers?) are guilty of it. He's in Alabama, he watches them every game, so of course he thinks they're the best.
There is probably some moron that covers Texas for the local paper in Nacogdoches, TX and will vote McCoy and Shipley #1 and #2 because out of the 13 college football games he's watched this year (all Texas games), those were the two best players he saw.
RWS and other Alabama fans who have never been to a game will tend to see no flaw in Skarbinski's theory.
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Blasphemer!
Saban recruited them.
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And to help you out with your point War Eagle....there are over 10,000 division I players (85 x 120 programs = 10,200 players).
It's just a sign of Skarbinski's ignorance or at least local bias. Most writers stuck in a particular bubble (and aren't all Alabama media memebers?) are guilty of it. He's in Alabama, he watches them every game, so of course he thinks they're the best.
There is probably some moron that covers Texas for the local paper in Nacogdoches, TX and will vote McCoy and Shipley #1 and #2 because out of the 13 college football games he's watched this year (all Texas games), those were the two best players he saw.
RWS and other Alabama fans who have never been to a game will tend to see no flaw in Skarbinski's theory.
Yeah, I left off a zero earlier...but the point is well taken. The fact that ANY team has the best 2 players, unequivocally, is pure crap. And to vote them that way just proves you are a homer and don't have a clue about what you are supposed to be covering...
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And to help you out with your point War Eagle....there are over 10,000 division I players (85 x 120 programs = 10,200 players).
It's just a sign of Skarbinski's ignorance or at least local bias. Most writers stuck in a particular bubble (and aren't all Alabama media memebers?) are guilty of it. He's in Alabama, he watches them every game, so of course he thinks they're the best.
There is probably some moron that covers Texas for the local paper in Nacogdoches, TX and will vote McCoy and Shipley #1 and #2 because out of the 13 college football games he's watched this year (all Texas games), those were the two best players he saw.
RWS and other Alabama fans who have never been to a game will tend to see no flaw in Skarbinski's theory.
This^^^ and War Eagle's this^^^..or something.
Scarbinski is doing the same thing as Finebaum or any other local media member would do...catering to his audience. Who is going to read or listen if the conversation and praise concerns Oregon's QB or some Penn State linebacker named after a pimple cream?
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This^^^ and War Eagle's this^^^..or something.
Scarbinski is doing the same thing as Finebaum or any other local media member would do...catering to his audience. Who is going to read or listen if the conversation and praise concerns Oregon's QB or some Penn State linebacker named after a pimple cream?
I thought Joe Clearasil had a great season.
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I thought Joe Clearasil had a great season.
On PSU's roster this year...just a sampling:
Zug
Zordich
Sukay
Venuto
Faqnano
Soldner
Yanich
Stupar
Kuntz (My personal favorite)
Zerbe
Golarz
Stankiewitch
Wisniewski
Urschel
Klopacz
Szczerba (Buy a fucking vowel)
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All are sons of coal miners.