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Title: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
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Auburn penalties from 'Big Cat Weekend' released
By Evan Woodbery
December 03, 2009, 6:25PM

Press-Register, John David MercerGene Chizik Auburn was forced to temporarily halt contact with six prospective football players and assistant head coach Trooper Taylor was barred from off-campus recruiting through Nov. 30 after Auburn self-reported several secondary NCAA violations from Big Cat Weekend in May.


Auburn released the penalties Thursday night in response to open-records requests from the Press-Register and other media. The Press-Register first reported the possible violations in May.


Big Cat Weekend was an activity-packed weekend for high-profile recruits that culminated in the traditional rolling of Toomer's Corner at a busy downtown intersection on May 30.


Although NCAA rules bar the introduction of visiting student-athletes during any function, videos of the event posted on two Web sites show the crowd cheering as the recruits are introduced by name, position and hometown. The man yelling the introductions does not appear on the videos, but Taylor is shown leading the crowd in cheers immediately after the introductions.


The rolling of Toomer's Corner was advertised on all three major Web sites that cover Auburn, with push-pinned message board posts urging fans to attend. The posts did not attribute the information to coaches or other Auburn staff members.


NCAA rules also media from being present "during any recruiting contact made by an institution's coaching staff member." All of the major Web sites that cover Auburn were on hand during the rolling of Toomer's, and some of the recruits were interviewed by reporters.


Auburn first reported the violations of five bylaws on June 30 in a letter to SEC commissioner Mike Slive.


"Represents of Auburn's athletic interests (boosters) were in attendance during this event and engaged in recruiting activity. Media was also present during this event along with Auburn's mascot. Lastly, the prospective student athletes' names were announced at the event. All of these are violations of NCAA recruiting violations," Auburn senior associate athletic director Rich McGlynn wrote in the letter to Slive.


Auburn offered self-imposed penalties, including a reduction of eight official visits and a letter of reprimand for Taylor.


Slive accepted that punishment, but added further restrictions. He barred Auburn from contacting six recruits who were present at Toomer's Corner for six weeks, through Sept. 15. Further, a member of Auburn's coaching staff was required to call each of the six recruits -- Jessel Curry, Khairi Fortt, Marcus Lattimore, Eric Mack, Trovon Reed and Lache Seastrunk -- and read a specific, six-sentence statement that said the prospects should "disregard the Toomer's Corner activities when deciding upon the University you will eventually attend."


Further, Slive said that Auburn should bar Taylor, one of the team's top recruiters, from any off-campus recruiting until Nov. 30, and that all six of the staff members present at Toomer's Corner should also receiver a reprimand. Those six coaches are Taylor, offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, running backs coach Curtis Luper, special teams coordinator/tight ends coach Jay Boulware, offensive line coach Jeff Grimes and safeties coach Tommy Thigpen.


Auburn accepted the additional punishments, and Chizik personally called the players involved to read the statement.


The penalties do not affect the eligibility of the six players. Auburn has ceased recruiting Fortt, Reed and Curry have committed to the Tigers, Mack has committed to South Carolina, and Auburn is still recruiting Lattimore and Seastrunk.


The university issued a statement from head coach Gene Chizik that read: "We unintentionally committed a secondary violation and have cooperated fully with the Southeastern Conference and NCAA, and are moving forward.  We're pleased about the foundation that we are setting for this program and are excited for our upcoming bowl game. We will continue to work hard on the recruiting trail to recruit top-notch student-athletes that best fit our needs at Auburn."
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Nothing major, really.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2009, 08:11:32 PM
And this douchebag is "our" beatwriter. 

Fuck him. 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 08:14:57 PM
And this douchebag is "our" beatwriter. 

Fuck him. 
This is what I was waiting for. I was going to make note that the story was from your favorite writer, but decided that would work itself out shortly.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 03, 2009, 08:55:25 PM
I sensed gleefullness in woodbammer's writings..."Big Cat Weekend", the rolling of Toomer's Corner with a lot of High Profile prospects, and making the statement "Wait 'till we get here" > Secondary Violations
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
Free laptop?  Just give it back.  Take a few plays off.  No biggie.

Party at Toomer's?  BIG DEAL. Slive will make sure Auburn has the harshest punishment possible for a secondary violation.  Call those recruits and tell them not to consider these events when choosing their school.  Then, don't contact them at all.  For a while.  Then you can, but you better be on your toes!!
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
I sensed gleefullness in woodbammer's writings..."Big Cat Weekend", the rolling of Toomer's Corner with a lot of High Profile prospects, telling Coach Sheban that he's SOL (Shit Out of Luck) in regards to LaDarius Owens and making the statement "Wait 'till we get here" > Secondary Violations
Wait, is this the same Prowler that accuses Saban of violations left and right and how he has to cheat to get recruits, should be punished, etc? But if AU has to cheat to get a recruit or two, pfffftt, violation shmiloation. Gotcha.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: ibelonginprison on December 03, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
It just means we need to send the recruits to Toomers with 15 hot auburn women. No biggie.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:02:11 PM
Free laptop?  Just give it back.  Take a few plays off.  No biggie.

Party at Toomer's?  BIG DEAL. Slive will make sure Auburn has the harshest punishment possible for a secondary violation.  Call those recruits and tell them not to consider these events when choosing their school.  Then, don't contact them at all.  For a while.  Then you can, but you better be on your toes!!
Its a little different when the coaches willingly orchestrate the actual violation.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Pell City Tiger on December 03, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
Fuck Mike "Saban's dick sucker" Slive. He can take those 6 sentences and shove them straight up his ass.

Booster funded deep sea fishing trip for 2 = nothing

Announcing a recruits name during a visit = reprimand

Fuck Mike Slive. Fuck him in the ass until he bleeds.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:04:18 PM
Also, we're losing 8-9 official visits for the 2009-2010 school year.  Absolute horseshit.  

The boosters present?  Alumni and students.  Not "we donate a lot of money and hang out with Corky Frost."  

Announcing names of players committed by a STUDENT?  

Aubie WAS PRESENT?  OH NOES!  

The NCAA is a gaping vagina.  I can't believe we went along with this shit.  Added more sanctions on ourselves?  Seriously?  Maybe Auburn's AD is the gaping vagina.

Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:06:55 PM
Booster funded deep sea fishing trip for 2 = nothing
That whole booster thing is a tough sell when the guy has a kid enrolled at Auburn......just sayin....
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 03, 2009, 09:10:30 PM
That whole booster thing is a tough sell when the guy has a kid enrolled at Auburn......just sayin....
Yeah, especially when CA went to SPuat but dropped out before his Sophmore year....just sayin....
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:10:54 PM
Its a little different when the coaches willingly orchestrate the actual violation.

You're a blazing homer, RWS.  

"Willingly" indicates purpose.  Chizik (since you're just going to go with everything that's reported) has stated that the violations were unintentional.  

Were they violations?  Sure.  But it's just as bad for players to receive gifts for being football players.  Of course, Curtis Anderson was a set up job by Operation Red Dog, right?  He's also been friends with those guys forever.  He doesn't even like football.   :taunt:

Secondary violations get reported all the time, but rarely does anything come of it but a slap on the wrist.  8-9 (why not pick a number?) recruits will not receive an OV next recruiting season.  That hurts.  Might only hurt a little, but that hurts.  

And for what?  Aubie being around?  Give me a break.  The coaches orchestrated one of Auburn's traditions.  The party at Toomer's after a victory.  Whoopty fuck.  

Not allowed to contact those recruits?  Jesus, I've never heard of that before.  Perhaps the reprimand had to do with the caliber of recruits that were involved?

Fuck Slive.  Lattimore is 50-50 between us and South Carolina.  Dyer already committed.  Curry committed.  Reed committed.  Mack is leaning towards us.  Looks like the weekend worked out okay.  Must have been the presence of Aubie that did it.  
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 09:11:32 PM
Also, we're losing 8-9 official visits for the 2009-2010 school year.  Absolute horseshit.  

The boosters present?  Alumni and students.  Not "we donate a lot of money and hang out with Corky Frost."  

Announcing names of players committed by a STUDENT?  

Aubie WAS PRESENT?  OH NOES!  

The NCAA is a gaping vagina.  I can't believe we went along with this shit.  Added more sanctions on ourselves?  Seriously?  Maybe Auburn's AD is the gaping vagina.


This.

I am shocked. Bammers have the balls to bitch about the NCAA having it out for them. This is ridiculous.

The video showed that it was clearly a scrawny white kid calling the names out, not Taylor.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:13:40 PM
Also, we're losing 8-9 official visits for the 2009-2010 school year.  Absolute horseshit.  

The boosters present?  Alumni and students.  Not "we donate a lot of money and hang out with Corky Frost."  

Announcing names of players committed by a STUDENT?  

Aubie WAS PRESENT?  OH NOES!  

The NCAA is a gaping vagina.  I can't believe we went along with this shit.  Added more sanctions on ourselves?  Seriously?  Maybe Auburn's AD is the gaping vagina.


I think the issue here was the flagrance with which the staff did this. I mean, there were obvious multiple violations. The video that was up on AuburnSports was golden, until they realized that was going to cause problems, then got snatched down. Unintentional? My ass. It was straight up planned out. The reason why the NCAA doesn't really come down on secondary violations is because they are supposed to be unintentional in nature. An accident. A mistake. Something that you can objectively look at and say "Ok, I can see where you are coming from."

Please tell me how an event with the school mascot, AU coaches, top recruits, and media present is something unintentional, an accident, or a mistake?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:14:48 PM
Yeah, especially when CA went to SPuat but dropped out before his Sophmore year....just sayin....
I have a link to a statement from CA and his attorney saying he has a kid attending AU. You have a link to back up what you are saying? It probably needs to be better than a PM you sent somebody a few weeks ago saying he went to UA at one time.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 09:20:13 PM
I have a link to a statement from CA and his attorney saying he has a kid attending AU. You have a link to back up what you are saying? It probably needs to be better than a PM you sent somebody a few weeks ago saying he went to UA at one time.
Who gives a fuck? Taylor's dad is a bammer, for example.

You act like that's DNA evidence or something...
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:21:49 PM
I think the issue here was the flagrance with which the staff did this. I mean, there were obvious multiple violations. The video that was up on AuburnSports was golden, until they realized that was going to cause problems, then got snatched down. Unintentional? My ass. It was straight up planned out. The reason why the NCAA doesn't really come down on secondary violations is because they are supposed to be unintentional in nature. An accident. A mistake. Something that you can objectively look at and say "Ok, I can see where you are coming from."

Please tell me how an event with the school mascot, AU coaches, top recruits, and media present is something unintentional, an accident, or a mistake?

You're a blowhard.  You're just throwing out polemics because you're just eating this up.  

Saban, Mr. I Don't Give A Fuck About Minor Rules, has repeatedly broken the "bump" rule.  That was as intentional as the kindergarten kid drawing on the school walls.  He knows it's wrong.  He just doesn't give a shit.  

A writer for BamaOnline.com, another bias group of individuals acting as journalists, openly claims that he'll do whatever it takes to help Bama win and help them get recruits.  He admitted to not caring about rules and was subsequently relieved of his status as a "journalist  :rofl:" for BsOL.  

And another thing, it wasn't intentional by any means.  You know why media was there?  Because Trooper Taylor and Luper talked about how big of a weekend it was going to be.  Then, the visitors were announced the day before the weekend.  When media got wind, they showed up.  Relisten to the Tom Luginbill interview on JOX.  He was in Atlanta, heard about the visitors, and showed up.  

Intentional.  My ass.  

Not shit has come from either of those two from the myriad examples of how Bama violates rules.  
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:21:49 PM
Who gives a fuck? Taylor's dad is a bammer, for example.

You act like that's DNA evidence or something...
What field did Taylor graduate in from Auburn?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:23:02 PM
And another thing, it wasn't intentional by any means.  
:rofl:
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:24:47 PM
I have a link to a statement from CA and his attorney saying he has a kid attending AU. You have a link to back up what you are saying? It probably needs to be better than a PM you sent somebody a few weeks ago saying he went to UA at one time.

To receive gifts not affiliated with the athletic scholarship from anyone is considered improper and a major violation of NCAA rules.  Whether or not Anderson is a Bammer, Aubie, Gator, or Seminole is moot.  You want credentials?  I worked in the recruiting office for three years while attending Auburn University.  

The bigger issue (which I still think will show up next year) is that the compliance office approved the fishing trip.  The SEC office ok'd the compliance.  NCAA said hold a second.  
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:25:31 PM
:rofl:

The blatant sign of defeat.   :haha:
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2009, 09:26:30 PM
The biggest problem here is that "our" beat writer is the one that called the NCAA bitching about this.  He's the one who dragged it out and made an issue of it.  He's the one who demanded to know what the penalties were via the FIA.  

He's the one we need to turn our ire upon.  Those of you with clout?  Call the MPR.  Demand that this wormy fucking  bastard be relieved of his duties as Auburn beat reporter.  Media is bad enough without one of them ACTIVELY trying to drag us down.  

Fuck this bastard.  I will be lodging my complaint with the MPR tomorrow.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 09:28:54 PM
What field did Taylor graduate in from Auburn?
I'm talking about AWK, not Trooper.

Everything that went down that weekend that was planned by the staff had passed compliance before it ever happened.

They checked on whether or not they could introduce the kids. They couldn't. But a student could, which is why they got the scrawny white kid to do it.

They announced that all those kids' visit was going to be on that day. Nothing illegal there. Students on campus knew that prospects were in town. If Auburn police closed a street, it was in reaction to seeing a large crowd gather, and when they learned why, decided it was the safe thing to do. How is that evidence that that the athletic department orchestrated an "event"?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
The blatant sign of defeat.   :haha:
I'm just not going to get drawn into a Prowler-esqe argument. You are obiously entrenched with "Well, he said so. So THERE!" How exactly do you want me to argue against that stance? I mean, if you're looking at what happened and then still claim that it was aaaaaaaaaalllllll just coincidence and misunderstanding that all of that happened, and none if it was by design, then I don't think we're even arguing on the same level.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 03, 2009, 09:31:15 PM
I have a link to a statement from CA and his attorney saying he has a kid attending AU. You have a link to back up what you are saying?
I know that he has a son attending Auburn, but he also has a couple of close kin attending SPuat.  A link to his freshman days at SPuat?  LMAO!!!  What you bammers should do is just keep hounding him, call him, email and text him....just harrass the shit outta him, get your buddy Mike "I've got Sheban's cock 3" deep into my throat" Slime to call him too.  Y'all won't like what you hear, is all I've got to say about the matter.

Back to the Original Topic:
Auburn couldn't contact the six prospects, they get a commitment from two of them (Jessel Curry and Trovon Reed), Auburn is also still in the running for Lache, Latt. and Mack.  Fortt would've been a nice pickup, but I'm Extremely happy with our LBer class as it stands, so no loss there.

Also, I guess that means Aubie got a letter of reprimand...LMAO!!!  (Better watch out Nova and Tiger, you could get the letter too).

Another thing, the punishment is already over with.  Auburn was getting Big Time commiments during the probation period that is now over with....Hit the skreets runnin' Coach Troop make sure to stop by and see Mr. Morgan Moses while you're out.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 03, 2009, 09:32:02 PM
To receive gifts not affiliated with the athletic scholarship from anyone is considered improper and a major violation of NCAA rules.  Whether or not Anderson is a Bammer, Aubie, Gator, or Seminole is moot.  You want credentials?  I worked in the recruiting office for three years while attending Auburn University.  

The bigger issue (which I still think will show up next year) is that the compliance office approved the fishing trip.  The SEC office ok'd the compliance.  NCAA said hold a second.  
And the Secretary was fired after it was brought to light....just sayin'
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:32:26 PM
They announced that all those kids' visit was going to be on that day. Nothing illegal there.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
I know that he has a son attending Auburn, but he also has a couple of close kin attending SPuat.  A link to his freshman days at SPuat?  LMAO!!!  
Well then, since he has some close kin currently attending UA, lets see the proof of that. Perhaps that would be easier to prove than proving he went to UA when he was younger? I mean, its easy enough just telling their names, right? We can all do a directory search on UA's site.

And also, on the announcing thing, if the event is deemed as an organized recruiting event (which it was), then players cannot be introduced by anybody. Scrawny white guy. Fat black guy. Awkward Asian guy. You.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:38:38 PM
I'm just not going to get drawn into a Prowler-esqe argument. You are obiously entrenched with "Well, he said so. So THERE!" How exactly do you want me to argue against that stance? I mean, if you're looking at what happened and then still claim that it was aaaaaaaaaalllllll just coincidence and misunderstanding that all of that happened, and none if it was by design, then I don't think we're even arguing on the same level.

You mad.  Typos tell the story.  

AAALLLLLL just coincidence?  No.  Not in the slightest.  The issue here is that we committed secondary violations but are receiving unjust punishments.  

The violations?  Unintentional.  On record is a member of the media who was there claiming that he went to Auburn.  On record (the infamous video) is a student announcing the names - not the coaches.  Not an NCAA violation for a frat kid to shout names out.  

The punishments were handed down with the prima facie evidence.  It's like Slive and his cronies didn't even look at the rebuttals.  

Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
They announced that all those kids' visit was going to be on that day. Nothing illegal there.
Wrong.
Wrong? What? That their visits weren't announced or that it wasn't illegal?

There's a solid case against every single Rivals & Scout article ever then.

And also, on the announcing thing, if the event is deemed as an organized recruiting event (which it was), then players cannot be introduced by anybody. Scrawny white guy. Fat black guy. Awkward Asian guy. You.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 09:47:20 PM
The biggest problem here is that "our" beat writer is the one that called the NCAA bitching about this.  He's the one who dragged it out and made an issue of it.  He's the one who demanded to know what the penalties were via the FIA.  

He's the one we need to turn our ire upon.  Those of you with clout?  Call the MPR.  Demand that this wormy fucking  bastard be relieved of his duties as Auburn beat reporter.  Media is bad enough without one of them ACTIVELY trying to drag us down.  

Fuck this bastard.  I will be lodging my complaint with the MPR tomorrow.
Email address?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Pell City Tiger on December 03, 2009, 09:48:50 PM
At least we haven't been referred to as "serial repeat violators".

What it all boils down to is the bammer nation is scared. They know what's coming and they are trying their best to do anything to derail it.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
At least we haven't been referred to as "serial repeat violators".

What it all boils down to is the bammer nation is scared. They know what's coming and they are trying their best to do anything to derail it.

Who is leading the charge?  AU beat writers.  Mike Slive.  AU athletic department. 

Two of those are supposed to be helping Bama be scared not alleviate their stress.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
You mad.  TyposThis shitty wireless keyboard with almost dead batteries tell the story.  
You should know from the bullshit I take here that I don't get mad over message board bullshit.

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AAALLLLLL just coincidence?  No.  Not in the slightest.  The issue here is that we committed secondary violations but are receiving unjust punishments.  
Good. We can agree on something. Now, go back and see my post about how secondary violations are supposed to be purely incidental in nature.

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The violations?  Unintentional.  On record is a member of the media who was there claiming that he went to Auburn.  On record (the infamous video) is a student announcing the names - not the coaches.  Not an NCAA violation for a frat kid to shout names out.  
If an event is deemed an organized recruiting event, nobody can announce names.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Wrong? What? That their visits weren't announced or that it wasn't illegal?

There's a solid case against every single Rivals & Scout article ever then.
Wrong.
A school is not allowed to announce a list of visitors. The media is not supposed to get this info from AU, and AU sure as hell knows they are not supposed to give the info out. Rivals or Scout is supposed to get the info from the recruit himself, be it in the form of them calling random recruits randomly asking when they are going to visit, or be it in the form of the recruit texting/calling a contact with a service to tell them they are going to visit.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 10:11:36 PM
What it all boils down to is the bammer nation is scared.
No matter how many times you and Prowler repeat it, it doesn't make it any more true. You can put the following quote in your hard drive, signature, spank bank, wherever: I am not afraid of Gene Chizik or his recruiting at Auburn.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2009, 10:17:42 PM
Email address?

I'm going in person.  Somebody is going to talk to me. 

If you can't see them face to face...

Randy Kennedy (rkennedy@press-register.com) is the sports editor. 

Publisher Ricky R. Mathews can be reached by phone at (251) 219-5673

Editor Mike Marshall can be reached by phone at (251) 219-5634

Managing Editor Dewey English can be reached at (251) 219-5612
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 10:22:15 PM
If an event is deemed an organized recruiting event, nobody can announce names.
Wrong. Still.

This has been discussed. A coach or member of the Auburn athletic department can't announce their names. There is no rule against some random frat kid yelling out their names into the crowd. A rational person can plainly see this. In other words not this guy ---> :bamahomer:
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 03, 2009, 10:25:43 PM
A school is not allowed to announce a list of visitors. The media is not supposed to get this info from AU, and AU sure as hell knows they are not supposed to give the info out. Rivals or Scout is supposed to get the info from the recruit himself, be it in the form of them calling random recruits randomly asking when they are going to visit, or be it in the form of the recruit texting/calling a contact with a service to tell them they are going to visit.
Show me the verbage that says this is a violation. To say "We're going to have a huge weekend in recruiting visits" and giving it a cute name like the "Big Cat Weekend".

Either way, it was common knowledge by anyone with a message board, be it through Rivals, Scout, or whatever.

There were only like 100 or so people there. If it were an athletic department-sanctioned event, I can assure you it would have been much more crowded.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 10:33:40 PM
Show me the verbage that says this is a violation. To say "We're going to have a huge weekend in recruiting visits" and giving it a cute name like the "Big Cat Weekend".
Absolutely nothing wrong with the above stated. Perfectly legal. The school just isn't allowed to say what recruits are visiting. You are the one that seemed to suggest coaches released the names.

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Everything that went down that weekend that was planned by the staff had passed compliance before it ever happened.

They checked on whether or not they could introduce the kids. They couldn't. But a student could, which is why they got the scrawny white kid to do it.

They announced that all those kids' visit was going to be on that day. Nothing illegal there.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with the above stated. Perfectly legal. The school just isn't allowed to say what recruits are visiting.

That's BULLSHIT. 

You need to tell that cocksucking fuckknob Andrew Bone who announces who is on campus at UA every single week.  Where does he get that information, the recruiting fairy?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Pell City Tiger on December 03, 2009, 10:41:06 PM
No matter how many times you and Prowler repeat it, it doesn't make it any more true. You can put the following quote in your hard drive, signature, spank bank, wherever: I am not afraid of Gene Chizik or his recruiting at Auburn.
Nobody here gives a shit what you think. I was referring to the spike in smear "hit" pieces against Auburn by the media. This "incident" happened over 5 months ago. Why dig it up now? Oh yeah, because we didn't roll over and die. Highly rated recruits are coming in and there's a high level of energy surrounding the program. We're a threat.

Fuck them for publishing the horseshit and fuck you, well, just for being you.

Put that in your signature.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 03, 2009, 10:44:01 PM
Nobody here gives a shit what you think. I was referring to the spike in smear "hit" pieces against Auburn by the media. This "incident" happened over 5 months ago. Why dig it up now? Oh yeah, because we didn't roll over and die. Highly rated recruits are coming in and there's a high level of energy surrounding the program. We're a threat.

Fuck them for publishing the horseshit and fuck you, well, just for being you.

Put that in your signature.
Why didn't AU release the penalties 5 months ago all on their own? I thought Alabama was a horrible institution for not releasing an LOI when they got it?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Pell City Tiger on December 03, 2009, 10:48:38 PM
Probably the same reason bama didn't disclose the PLOI they received for the textbooks.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: GH2001 on December 04, 2009, 12:31:42 AM
Woodberry is a mole - always has been. And is also a first class douche by night.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: DnATL on December 04, 2009, 12:47:04 AM
Probably the same reason bama didn't disclose the PLOI they received for the textbooks.
Actually, the sanctions weren't complete until Tuesday morning when Taylor was able to go back on the road - until all that was done and acknowledged by the SEC, it was still open.

http://media.al.com/goldmine/other/Big%20Cat%20Weekend%20Documentation%20%281%29.pdf (http://media.al.com/goldmine/other/Big%20Cat%20Weekend%20Documentation%20%281%29.pdf)

Check out who shows up on the bottom of pages 8 and 9 - If this were bammer, then Prowler would need to be careful carrying salads up stairs........
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 04, 2009, 01:09:25 AM
Actually, the sanctions weren't complete until Tuesday morning when Taylor was able to go back on the road - until all that was done and acknowledged by the SEC, it was still open.

http://media.al.com/goldmine/other/Big%20Cat%20Weekend%20Documentation%20%281%29.pdf (http://media.al.com/goldmine/other/Big%20Cat%20Weekend%20Documentation%20%281%29.pdf)

Check out who shows up on the bottom of pages 8 and 9 - If this were bammer, then Prowler would need to be careful carrying salads up stairs........
Wow.

First of all, motherfuck Evan Doucheberry. I can't believe this is our supposed beat writer funneling in his alleged "evidence" against us to the NCAA. Labeling them Exhibit A &B.

Secondly, he submits Prowler's posting on AuburnUndercover's message board as proof that Auburn officials organized this? Well damn, I guess Prowler truly is a major insider. Fear the skreets.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: No Huddle on December 04, 2009, 07:48:07 AM
Wow. Well damn, I guess Prowler truly is a major insider. Fear the skreets.

You are catching on to the POWER that is the Prowler.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Saniflush on December 04, 2009, 07:53:06 AM
Seemed a bit harsh but fuck it.  It's over.

Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 08:04:55 AM

Secondly, he submits Prowler's posting on AuburnUndercover's message board as proof that Auburn officials organized this? Well damn, I guess Prowler truly is a major insider. Fear the skreets.

I think the message this sends is don't run your fucking mouth when you don't know what you're talking about. 

Pathetic. 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Saniflush on December 04, 2009, 08:07:33 AM
I think the message this sends is don't run your fucking mouth when you don't know what you're talking about. 

Pathetic. 

I thought the message it sent was that he was a hack journalist who used unsubstantiated sources.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 08:22:56 AM
I thought the message it sent was that he was a hack journalist who used unsubstantiated sources.

That's a given.  

But from those documents, it's pretty clear that this entire thing was instigated by our own dumbasses who so desperately crave the designation of "insider" that they run off at the mouth about poop they don't know.  

Without Woodberry, however, this is never an issue -- because it wasn't planned or organized.  But Woodberry used our own dumbasses who so desperately want to appear "connected" that they talk about poop they know nothing about.  

There's a definite message to watch what you say because some phukstick is laying in the weeds waiting to use it against us.  

If I remember right, you'll see some of our resident Bammers (maybe RWS) yakking about NCAA violations the day after some of our dumbasses were shooting off at the face about the event.  Woodberry is just following their lead. 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Saniflush on December 04, 2009, 08:50:06 AM
 There's a definite message to watch what you say because some phukstick is laying in the weeds waiting to use it against us.  
Sound practice in general.  Most people in the world cannot follow it. 



If I remember right, you'll see some of our resident Bammers (maybe RWS) yakking about NCAA violations the day after some of our dumbasses were shooting off at the face about the event.  Woodberry is just following their lead. 

Agree
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2009, 08:57:19 AM
While I agree about Doucheberry...the thread in question was started by Mark Murphy, who is one of the site owners, I believe.  I think this was more about sites and "journalists" trying to be the first to break a story.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 09:01:52 AM
While I agree about Doucheberry...the thread in question was started by Mark Murphy, who is one of the site owners, I believe.  I think this was more about sites and "journalists" trying to be the first to break a story.

Mark Murphy also whips out his "insider" cock at every opportunity.  He's not that connected to the program (or he wasn't). 

Murphy may have struck the spark, but it was people like... well... no need to point out the obvious... who ran around with THEIR "insider" info who turned a flickering candle into a bonfire. 

I'm going to bust into the MPR about 1:30 today. 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2009, 09:21:37 AM
That's a given.  

But from those documents, it's pretty clear that this entire thing was instigated by our own dumbasses who so desperately crave the designation of "insider" that they run off at the mouth about poop they don't know.  

Without Woodberry, however, this is never an issue -- because it wasn't planned or organized.  But Woodberry used our own dumbasses who so desperately want to appear "connected" that they talk about poop they know nothing about.  

There's a definite message to watch what you say because some phukstick is laying in the weeds waiting to use it against us.  

If I remember right, you'll see some of our resident Bammers (maybe RWS) yakking about NCAA violations the day after some of our dumbasses were shooting off at the face about the event.  Woodberry is just following their lead. 
About an hour after the Toomer's Corner deal, I was saying that there are probably going to be some secondary violations reported. Hell, I think there was a story up somewhere as well with a quote from somebody in AU's compliance that said there were probably some secondary violations.

I read through the document, and for them to say that the Toomer's Corner thing wasn't organized by AU coaches is flat out bullshit. If it wasn't organized by them, then how the fuck did everybody know that the recruits were going to be there beforehand? Then low and behold, the recruits magically appeared? Prowler was even on here running his mouth about it that morning, apparently from reading Luper's Twitter. And, he even said:

Quote
my "inside source" on the weekend festivities is Coach Luper.

Coaches didn't organize it my ass. Even if somehow they didn't, they should have known when they got there that fans and boosters + prospects on unofficial/official visits + on the AU campus = trouble, and nipped that shit in the bud.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: AUChizad on December 04, 2009, 09:25:21 AM
While I agree about Doucheberry...the thread in question was started by Mark Murphy, who is one of the site owners, I believe.  I think this was more about sites and "journalists" trying to be the first to break a story.
^This.

It's proof that the hype surrounding "Big Cat Weekend" was grassroots, but he's using it to prove that the athletic department orchestrated it all.

Nothing wrong with random message board members finding out about the visits and trying to make it a special experience by doing this. Had the Auburn administration been posting this, it would be a different story. And by different story, I mean minor secondary violations that still shouldn't have induced the punishment we got.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2009, 09:28:07 AM
There is no rule against some random frat kid yelling out their names into the crowd.
Are students considered boosters? 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2009, 10:29:16 AM
Anyone else notice that Prowler was listed in the supporting documents (page 9)....It is his fault ...lets get him.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Pell City Tiger on December 04, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
Anyone else notice that Prowler was listed in the supporting documents (page 9)....It is his fault ...lets get him.
First 2 posts, top of page 4 of this thread. A garden salad and flight of stairs are being obtained as I type.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: No Huddle on December 04, 2009, 10:34:33 AM
Anyone else notice that Prowler was listed in the supporting documents (page 9)....It is his fault ...lets get him.

The Power of the Prowler will get you. Kinda like the rythm is going to get you.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
Anyone else notice that Prowler was listed in the supporting documents (page 9)....It is his fault ...lets get him.

YEAH!  LET'S GO!
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Godfather on December 04, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
First 2 posts, top of this page. A garden salad and flight of stairs are being obtained as I type.
My fast reading skills are teh sux
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
Prowler was even on here running his mouth about it that morning, apparently from reading Luper's Twitter. And, he even said:

Coaches didn't organize it my ass. Even if somehow they didn't, they should have known when they got there that fans and boosters + prospects on unofficial/official visits + on the AU campus = trouble, and nipped that poop in the bud.

Now wait a kittyhumping minute...

You can't say he's full of shit and then say he's not.  You (and I) ridiculed him because he doesn't fucking HAVE any sources.  And now you say he does? 

I think Prowler will admit at this point that he had absolutely nothing and was shooting rockets out of his ass. 

Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 10:48:03 AM
I can't speak for Prowler, but I would be mortified to the point of going into witness protection if I saw my name attached to something that had harmed Auburn in any way. 

I hope we all learn a valuable lesson here.  They intend to hurt us by whatever means possible.  We don't need to hand them the gun because we want to show off how cool and connected we are(n't). 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: jadennis on December 04, 2009, 12:16:15 PM

Coaches didn't organize it my ass. Even if somehow they didn't, they should have known when they got there that fans and boosters + prospects on unofficial/official visits + on the AU campus = trouble, and nipped that poop in the bud.

It's funny how different we read things in regards to each others programs.  When I read that, I was more convinced than ever that the coaches didn't organize it.  An organized event in which 8 out of 23 prospects attended?  Some coaches went, some didn't?  Parents not there?  Doesn't seem very organized to me. 

Also, they were right in thinking it isn't a game day activity.  Rolling Toomers Corner is no more a game day activity of an athlete than is the fun of cooking BBQ and drinking beer before the game.  It's something fans do, not something the athletes do.

As for someone introducing the 8 guys that were there....why do you think that must have been "organized"?  There are probably 15 people on this board alone that could have introduced those 8 guys had we been there...the "Prowlers" of the world would not have needed a cheat sheet from a coach to know who was who and call them out.

Why is it so far fetched to think that once they heard about it they walked up there to check it out?  Was that still a bad move?  Sure, a coach should have known better than to even be there at all, just to be safe.  But the level of intent is what's at question, and I don't think the actions, by any means, demonstrate a clear intent and represent obvious "planning" as you imply by continuing to say "not planned by the coaches....bullshit".

I wonder if Cockberry has ever been to a Bama game?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 04, 2009, 01:28:56 PM
Now wait a kittyhumping minute...

You can't say he's full of shit and then say he's not.  You (and I) ridiculed him because he doesn't fucking HAVE any sources.  And now you say he does?  

I think Prowler will admit at this point that he had absolutely nothing and was shooting rockets out of his ass.  


I wouldn't call being on a coach's Twitter feed being an "inside source". If that is considered an inside source, then every fucking retard on Les Miles' feed is an inside source. Hell, I'm an inside source because I'm on UA's Twitter feed where coaches put up things. I'm on NASA's Twitter feed; guess I'm a rocket scientist. No, being on somebody's Twitter feed is what it is. If you have to read it on the internet, you're not an inside source.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 04, 2009, 01:54:51 PM
I wouldn't call being on a coach's Twitter feed being an "inside source". If that is considered an inside source, then every phuking retard on Les Miles' feed is an inside source. Hell, I'm an inside source because I'm on UA's Twitter feed where coaches put up things. I'm on NASA's Twitter feed; guess I'm a rocket scientist. No, being on somebody's Twitter feed is what it is. If you have to read it on the internet, you're not an inside source.

Since that so-called Twitter feed has been reference by nobody -- including the king of douchiness Evan Woodberry -- it's possible it does not exist and was claimed to pretend more connection than really existed. 
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 04, 2009, 07:49:31 PM
BTW, CBS...you are the one that is saying "Tweet" this "Twat" that.  What I was refering too in saying that my inside source on the "Big Cat Weekend" was Coach Loop was that I had known about the weekend around 3 months before it took place.  I knew about the day's events (Not the Rolling of Toomer's...which actually surprised me and I still think it was a GREAT idea).  I knew that there would be some big time players on campus for the special weekend, which at that time there wasn't a set date, no names nor even a name for the weekend....lets just say that I knew that it was going to be a very special weekend and I wasn't disappointed.

But yeah, I'm with yall that wanna get that "The Prowler" guy...let's go beat the SHIT outta him.  He even went so far as to post a link to the webcam at Toomer's Corner.  How fuckin' dare HE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, CBS, if you still think that the coaches knew and orchestrated the "Rolling of Toomer's" then go to page 27/29 and read the FACTS.  The coaches didn't orchestrate it.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 04, 2009, 10:57:46 PM
But yeah, I'm with yall that wanna get that "The Prowler" guy...let's go beat the SHIT outta him.  He even went so far as to post a link to the webcam at Toomer's Corner.  How fuckin' dare HE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn Straight!  Let's lick his ass.

Anybody know where he went anyway?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 05, 2009, 01:10:15 AM
BTW, CBS...you are the one that is saying "Tweet" this "Twat" that.  What I was refering too in saying that my inside source on the "Big Cat Weekend" was Coach Loop was that I had known about the weekend around 3 months before it took place.  I knew about the day's events (Not the Rolling of Toomer's...which actually surprised me and I still think it was a GREAT idea).  I knew that there would be some big time players on campus for the special weekend, which at that time there wasn't a set date, no names nor even a name for the weekend....lets just say that I knew that it was going to be a very special weekend and I wasn't disappointed.

But yeah, I'm with yall that wanna get that "The Prowler" guy...let's go beat the poop outta him.  He even went so far as to post a link to the webcam at Toomer's Corner.  How phukin' dare HE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, CBS, if you still think that the coaches knew and orchestrated the "Rolling of Toomer's" then go to page 27/29 and read the FACTS.  The coaches didn't orchestrate it.


Apparently the shutting up lesson wasn't learned.  Godamighty.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: RWS on December 05, 2009, 09:16:58 AM
Also, CBS, if you still think that the coaches knew and orchestrated the "Rolling of Toomer's" then go to page 27/29 and read the FACTS.  The coaches didn't orchestrate it.
Oh! Because they say so! Geez, why didn't you just say so?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 05, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
Oh! Because they say so! Geez, why didn't you just say so?
Oh! Maybe I should've done this....FACTS
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 05, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

Apparently the shutting up lesson wasn't learned.  Godamighty.
Remind me....what fuckin' "lesson" are you speaking of?  Is it the fact that someone might have "inside sources", the fact that you don't have "inside sources", the fact that you don't know jack shit about recruiting...or is it ALL of the above?
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: Kaos on December 06, 2009, 01:33:44 AM
Remind me....what phukin' "lesson" are you speaking of?  Is it the fact that someone might have "inside sources", the fact that you don't have "inside sources", the fact that you don't know jack poop about recruiting...or is it ALL of the above?

Lesson is that you're a know-nothing dumbass who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Penalties From Big Cat Weekend Violations Released
Post by: The Prowler on December 06, 2009, 02:20:02 PM
Lesson is that you're a know-nothing dumbass who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.  Congrats.
"doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut"??? Again, what the FUCK are you talking about.  Answer the fucking direct question.  Also, I'm a "know-nothing dumbass"?  LMAO, how many times have I been correct on upcoming commitments?  I knew that this year's Auburn Tigers weren't going to start out looking like shit nor were they going to go down in flames like you and your retarded lover (greaseybammer) thought.  I knew that the "Big Cat Weekend" was going to be a wonderful idea...regardless of secondary violations.  I knew that the "Tiger Prowl" would be a huge success...building relationships with HS coaches is the key and that's what the Auburn coaches did. Am I right all of the time?  Nope, no one is.....especially YOU.  But to just come out and say that I'm a "know-nothing dumbass"....you need to step back and re-think that statement, before you hit "Post" and make yourself look dumber.