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Title: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 11:36:39 AM
Her new album, Hell-On, is fantastic.  You can stream it here for free:

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/613635236/first-listen-neko-case-hell-on
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Godfather on May 30, 2018, 11:40:20 AM
Her new album, Hell-On, is fantastic.  You can stream it here for free:

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/613635236/first-listen-neko-case-hell-on
Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 30, 2018, 12:07:34 PM
I expected this to be about a Law & Order episode featuring a former, never-turned-his-head Auburn defensive back.  


I am disappoint.  
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 12:13:22 PM
Who Is neko case? Dead serious. Give us the 411 weskie. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: chinook on May 30, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
Nevermind.  NPR.

Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
Nevermind.  NPR.
Move it to sga now 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 30, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
I'm always willing to give things a chance.  

I've got to say, however, that sometimes I think people live on completely different planets than I do.  

I gave every song at least one minute before I went here.  I'd like to find something new and interesting. Still looking. 

She has a decent voice but not anything outstanding. It's derivative of a hundred other folksy singers.  

The songs were essentially indistinguishable from each other.  All had the same basic structure and uneven flow. They often lacked melodic hooks.

Even her tonal bends were repetitive.  It's also very reliant on what I consider to be other people's sound.  It's like Stevie Nicks and Taylor Swift had a baby and it was raised by Edie Brickell and the Indigo Girls.

Bad Luck wasn't the worst song I've ever heard. But it wasn't what I'd call memorable.  I've already forgotten it, actually.

The absolute worst part of it all was that almost every single song on that list started out with some weird distortion, scratching, screeching, plinking or plunking.  None of those sounds had anything to do with the song that came after, they were just bars of odd noise.  No purpose to that.  

So.  Since we can't/shouldn't talk about politics I'd like you to sell me on this.  What about this makes it fantastic?

EDIT:
Or you know what?  Don't sell me.  You like it.  Your choice.  I am curious as to what part of it you consider fantastic, but that's not my parade.  
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Godfather on May 30, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
I'm always willing to give things a chance.  

I've got to say, however, that sometimes I think people live on completely different planets than I do.  

I gave every song at least one minute before I went here.  I'd like to find something new and interesting. Still looking.

She has a decent voice but not anything outstanding. It's derivative of a hundred other folksy singers.  

The songs were essentially indistinguishable from each other.  All had the same basic structure and uneven flow. They often lacked melodic hooks.

Even her tonal bends were repetitive.  It's also very reliant on what I consider to be other people's sound.  It's like Stevie Nicks and Taylor Swift had a baby and it was raised by Edie Brickell and the Indigo Girls.

Bad Luck wasn't the worst song I've ever heard. But it wasn't what I'd call memorable.  I've already forgotten it, actually.

The absolute worst part of it all was that almost every single song on that list started out with some weird distortion, scratching, screeching, plinking or plunking.  None of those sounds had anything to do with the song that came after, they were just bars of odd noise.  No purpose to that.  

So.  Since we can't/shouldn't talk about politics I'd like you to sell me on this.  What about this makes it fantastic?

EDIT:
Or you know what?  Don't sell me.  You like it.  Your choice.  I am curious as to what part of it you consider fantastic, but that's not my parade.  
You aren't alone, I listened, I didn't care for it.  Everybody has their own tastes.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 04:13:51 PM
Who Is neko case? Dead serious. Give us the 411 weskie.
Vocalist for the New Pornographers, primarily, but this is her 5th solo album, I think.
For K's benefit: I enjoy her lyrics and vocal tone.  I like that she's an actual musician.  As a fan of her group, I like to find her "sound" woven into the band dynamic and finding the areas where she soars when allowed to write by herself.  Specific to this album, I like:
1) The quirky melody of Hell-On
2) The fluid chorus of Last Lion of Albion
3) The story of Sarah and her various facets
4) The girl-group homage of Bad Luck
5) The autobiography of Curse of the I-5 Corridor
6) The oddball imagery in Gumball
7) The intimate duet vocals/lyrics of Sleep all Summer

Diff'rent strokes.  I'm just leading horses to water, drink or not.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
Vocalist for the New Pornographers, primarily, but this is her 5th solo album, I think.
For K's benefit: I enjoy her lyrics and vocal tone.  I like that she's an actual musician.  As a fan of her group, I like to find her "sound" woven into the band dynamic and finding the areas where she soars when allowed to write by herself.  Specific to this album, I like:
1) The quirky melody of Hell-On
2) The fluid chorus of Last Lion of Albion
3) The story of Sarah and her various facets
4) The girl-group homage of Bad Luck
5) The autobiography of Curse of the I-5 Corridor
6) The oddball imagery in Gumball
7) The intimate duet vocals/lyrics of Sleep all Summer

Diff'rent strokes.  I'm just leading horses to water, drink or not.
Music is very personal. Why there are so many genres and artists.

I hate opera.

I hate jazz.

I hate most rap and rhythm and blues.

But I love blues. Love classic rock.

I like some folk artists so I don't hate this above. Also prob don't like it like you either.

One of my favorite bands is Lord Huron. Most prob think "who?"  So I get it.

Like K said you do you. I ain't gonna knock it.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Godfather on May 30, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
Diff'rent strokes.  I'm just leading horses to water, drink or not.
and I for one say continue with it.  For I would not know Shad without your good heralds, kind sir.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
and I for one say continue with it.  For I would not know Shad without your good heralds, kind sir.
Likewise Dirty Heads from your lips to my ears.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Snaggletiger on May 30, 2018, 04:52:05 PM
Why do Men Without Hats not get their just due? 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 30, 2018, 04:53:16 PM

Diff'rent strokes.  I'm just leading horses to water, drink or not.
Is this the point where I mention my appreciation for KISS: Carnival of Souls (which even they semi-disavow?) and encourage you to drink from that toilet?
 
I'm like GF and others.  Certain music just works for me.  Other doesn't.  But I love music.   

I abhor everything about the "country" music of today.  Documented.  Flip side, I enjoy zydeco and some bluegrass. 

I don't mind jazz if I'm in a spa getting a happy ending.  Even if it's a home spa. 

Like most disco but there's a limit to that.  Techno?  Nope.  

Like rock, but there are limits there too.  Gwar is at the outer rim of what I can tolerate.  Speed/thrash?  Nope.  

Big band and that era has a place.  I'll sometimes chill on the 40s channel just to recalibrate.  I even listen to Louis Prima sometimes because I like his flow. 

Rap?  There was a sweet spot where there was just enough rawness mixed with rhyme and beats to work for me.  Most of the new stuff stinks. They've confused vulgarity with creativity.  "Imma blow my load in yo Oreo, blast some skeeze in yo weaves, bitch, open them gums and taste the .... "  That's just not lyrically solvent.  

What doesn't work for me?  Skiffledy bee doo riffing by Dave Matthews.  Noodling.  Ugh.  Folk music that's essentially just playing music and singing a story.  A song -- to me -- needs to have basic parts.  Intro, bridge, harmony, hook, etc.  It's why I have a hard time with stuff like Le Mis but not as much with Grease or a Disney movie.  Just because you sing something doesn't make it a song.  

I'm not sure there is any good music any longer.  We're in an musical desert now, IMO.  When people like Garth Brooks, Taylor Swift, Chance, and pretty much any random band from the last Hangout Fest are the stars?  We've lost the ability to write good music.  Unless we haven't.  

Anyway, I'd rather talk about and listen to music anyway.  
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
Is this the point where I mention my appreciation for KISS: Carnival of Souls (which even they semi-disavow?) and encourage you to drink from that toilet?
 
I'm like GF and others.  Certain music just works for me.  Other doesn't.  But I love music.  

I abhor everything about the "country" music of today.  Documented.  Flip side, I enjoy zydeco and some bluegrass.

I don't mind jazz if I'm in a spa getting a happy ending.  Even if it's a home spa.

Like most disco but there's a limit to that.  Techno?  Nope.  

Like rock, but there are limits there too.  Gwar is at the outer rim of what I can tolerate.  Speed/thrash?  Nope.  

Big band and that era has a place.  I'll sometimes chill on the 40s channel just to recalibrate.  I even listen to Louis Prima sometimes because I like his flow.

Rap?  There was a sweet spot where there was just enough rawness mixed with rhyme and beats to work for me.  Most of the new stuff stinks. They've confused vulgarity with creativity.  "Imma blow my load in yo Oreo, blast some skeeze in yo weaves, bitch, open them gums and taste the .... "  That's just not lyrically solvent.  

What doesn't work for me?  Skiffledy bee doo riffing by Dave Matthews.  Noodling.  Ugh.  Folk music that's essentially just playing music and singing a story.  A song -- to me -- needs to have basic parts.  Intro, bridge, harmony, hook, etc.  It's why I have a hard time with stuff like Le Mis but not as much with Grease or a Disney movie.  Just because you sing something doesn't make it a song.  

I'm not sure there is any good music any longer.  We're in an musical desert now, IMO.  When people like Garth Brooks, Taylor Swift, Chance, and pretty much any random band from the last Hangout Fest are the stars?  We've lost the ability to write good music.  Unless we haven't.  

Anyway, I'd rather talk about and listen to music anyway.  
Screw music. Tell us all where this happy ending spa is in Baldwin county. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: The Prowler on May 30, 2018, 05:10:53 PM
I like it. It's good, easy listening music.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 30, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Screw music. Tell us all where this happy ending spa is in Baldwin county.
I'm not sure that was their intent, but it's really about me isn't it?  
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Snaggletiger on May 30, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
I'm not sure that was their intent, but it's really about me isn't it?  
The customer is always right.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 05:18:00 PM
I'm not sure that was their intent, but it's really about me isn't it?  
Does It have anything to do with snags men with hats comment?
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 05:21:13 PM


I'm not sure there is any good music any longer.  We're in an musical desert now, IMO.  When people like Garth Brooks, Taylor Swift, Chance, and pretty much any random band from the last Hangout Fest are the stars?  We've lost the ability to write good music.  Unless we haven't.  

Anyway, I'd rather talk about and listen to music anyway.  
I have to disagree...bigly....here.  There is a metric fuckton of great new music being made these days.  It takes some effort to find and even more to sift through, so if you're looking on terrestrial radio or any "music" television channel you're not going to find anything worth a shit.

Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 05:23:22 PM
I have to disagree...bigly....here.  There is a metric fuckton of great new music being made these days.  It takes some effort to find and even more to sift through, so if you're looking on terrestrial radio or any "music" television channel you're not going to find anything worth a shit.
I'm actually inclined to agree to an extent. I've found some. But not much on normal radio. Even then it's far and few compared to the 60s where creativity was so good. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
I'm actually inclined to agree to an extent. I've found some. But not much on normal radio. Even then it's far and few compared to the 60s where creativity was so good.
The difference is, of course, that the music industry itself changed.  The talent or number of artists isn't any greater or worse than at any other time (other than those technique driven virtuosos) in musical history.  The aperture through which we can view the available products has narrowed in one sense while exploding entirely in another.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
The difference is, of course, that the music industry itself changed.  The talent or number of artists isn't any greater or worse than at any other time (other than those technique driven virtuosos) in musical history.  The aperture through which we can view the available products has narrowed in one sense while exploding entirely in another.
Sales mista mcgill, sales.
Or it being the main driver anyway. 
That's what changed it. It ruined Elvis. It ruined michael. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: The Prowler on May 30, 2018, 05:32:11 PM
I'm actually inclined to agree to an extent. I've found some. But not much on normal radio. Even then it's far and few compared to the 60s where creativity was so good.
Yup, the music is out there, but not like it was back in the 60s-70s.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 30, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
Sales mista mcgill, sales.
Or it being the main driver anyway.
That's what changed it. It ruined Elvis. It ruined michael.
Right...the shift from artist growth over a period of albums to emphasis on the #1 single or GTFO!
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Godfather on May 30, 2018, 05:55:14 PM
I have to disagree...bigly....here.  There is a metric fuckton of great new music being made these days.  It takes some effort to find and even more to sift through, so if you're looking on terrestrial radio or any "music" television channel you're not going to find anything worth a shit.
He's clearly never listened to Shinyribs
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 30, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
I have to disagree...bigly....here.  There is a metric fuckton of great new music being made these days.  It takes some effort to find and even more to sift through, so if you're looking on terrestrial radio or any "music" television channel you're not going to find anything worth a shit.
I haven’t listened to FM in years.  Well, except for the occasional foray into the Nikki Sixx show.  Haven’t watched MTV or Vh1 since probably Yo MTV Raps or Remote Control days.

I will confess to one recent exception.  I ran across a Jeff Lynn/ELO concert on AXS (I think) and I recorded that.  That whole thing start to finish was fascinatingly brilliant.  I truly think that kind of talent doesn't exist any more.  Or if it does, it's completely obscured by the banal pop-friendly worthlessness of garbage like Taylor Swift, Cardi B, Drake, and so on.  Why that "sells" I do not know.  Just like climate change we go through cycles.  There was a time when brilliance like Beethoven, Bach, and those other composers were all out there. Then there was a lot of time where nothing much was generated. Maybe that's where we are now.  

What I listen to: Sirius.  I start at 1 and click my way through a station at a time looking for something that interests me.  Sometimes I get stuck in the 70s.  Or boneyard. Or motown.  Or Met.  Sometimes I get all the way through to the comedy or news channels and start over.

I just rarely hear anything “new” that isn’t either a pale imitation of something that came before or is just structurally deficient.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 30, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
I haven’t listened to FM in years.  Well, except for the occasional foray into the Nikki Sixx show.  Haven’t watched MTV or Vh1 since probably Yo MTV Raps or Remote Control days.

Sirius.  I start at 1 and click my way through a station at a time looking for something that interests me.  Sometimes I get stuck in the 70s.  Or boneyard. Or motown.  Or Met.  

But I just rarely hear anything “new” that isn’t either a pale imitation of something that came before or just strutctualy deficient.
Damn. Thought I was the only one who did that. I find myself stopping on the bridge, lithium and soultown a lot. Crazy variety right?
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: wesfau2 on May 31, 2018, 08:26:51 AM
I haven’t listened to FM in years.  Well, except for the occasional foray into the Nikki Sixx show.  Haven’t watched MTV or Vh1 since probably Yo MTV Raps or Remote Control days.

I will confess to one recent exception.  I ran across a Jeff Lynn/ELO concert on AXS (I think) and I recorded that.  That whole thing start to finish was fascinatingly brilliant.  I truly think that kind of talent doesn't exist any more.  Or if it does, it's completely obscured by the banal pop-friendly worthlessness of garbage like Taylor Swift, Cardi B, Drake, and so on.  Why that "sells" I do not know.  Just like climate change we go through cycles.  There was a time when brilliance like Beethoven, Bach, and those other composers were all out there. Then there was a lot of time where nothing much was generated. Maybe that's where we are now.  

What I listen to: Sirius.  I start at 1 and click my way through a station at a time looking for something that interests me.  Sometimes I get stuck in the 70s.  Or boneyard. Or motown.  Or Met.  Sometimes I get all the way through to the comedy or news channels and start over.

I just rarely hear anything “new” that isn’t either a pale imitation of something that came before or is just structurally deficient.
You're going to have to put in more work.  Satellite radio, for all its promise, generally relies on an oddly abbreviated playlist regardless of station.  Lithium, for example, has literally tens of thousands of songs that fit their demo...and still they play the same 45 songs over and over.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Godfather on May 31, 2018, 09:49:17 AM
You're going to have to put in more work.  Satellite radio, for all its promise, generally relies on an oddly abbreviated playlist regardless of station.  Lithium, for example, has literally tens of thousands of songs that fit their demo...and still they play the same 45 songs over and over.
I love Sirius, but this is troof.

I have an Apple Music Subscription and find myself constantly going through new artists, by clicking on what's new and hitting play.  What the fuck is FM?
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Kaos on May 31, 2018, 10:03:06 AM
  What the fuck is FM?
No static at all. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: WiregrassTiger on May 31, 2018, 10:11:39 AM
Where can I find an eight track radio for my old Buick?
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: GH2001 on May 31, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
Where can I find an eight track radio for my old Buick?
To the right of the steering wheel. 
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: WiregrassTiger on May 31, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
To the right of the steering wheel.
That one is broken. Smarty pants.
Title: Re: Neko Case
Post by: Snaggletiger on May 31, 2018, 01:31:30 PM
To the right of the steering wheel.
:rimshot: