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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on April 26, 2017, 10:00:03 AM
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Curious to know what the semi-honest opinions are about the possibility of alcohol being served at the foosball games. I think the last I saw from SEC Commish Sankey was a complete straddling of the fence. "The policy is no alcohol in general admission seating areas but we'll have conversations about it....". As I mentioned, they were selling in the scholarship sections at A-Day and I was told it kind of experimental at this point.
But, would you be in favor of it?
Admittedly, I was stoked to have a couple of beerz at A-Day. And yes, it's a rare occasion that my cargo shorts pockets aren't clinking on the way in to JHS, filled with various and sundry brands of bourbon in search of a stadium cup filled with Delicious Coke Product. But the other side of that was this past Saturday night.
Granted, Saturday was a much different event (Country concert + Lynyrd Skynyrd) and probably a little different crowd than would normally be at JHS, but not that different. A ton of young folks. GF's perspective may have been a little different than mine, being that he was on the stadium floor in the VIP section. But from where I sat, it was not a good look. There were some seriously fucked up, falling down drunk people. I'm not talking one or two that you pointed and laughed at. I mean all over that place. The cops even came down to the section next to us and pulled a young guy out. Apparently, his drunk ass knocked the hell out of a girl on the row in front of him.
However, the key might be in how they serve it if in fact alcohol sales do come to pass. They were in your face with it Saturday. I can't recall a time during that entire concert that there wasn't at least one beer salesman on our row. And they were still selling it during the last act.
Would you like to see it in Jordan-Hare? What say you?
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Yes, sell that shit.
Irresponsible drinkers are always going to be a problem at a big event...doubly so when the tradition is to binge heavily prior to the event.
So what? Cut 'em off, drag out the unruly and let the adults be adults.
This decision will, like almost every other SEC decision, be made by the $$. They can make a metric fuckton of money selling beer to college football fans.
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Yes, sell that shit.
Irresponsible drinkers are always going to be a problem at a big event...doubly so when the tradition is to binge heavily prior to the event.
So what? Cut 'em off, drag out the unruly and let the adults be adults.
This decision will, like almost every other SEC decision, be made by the $$. They can make a metric fuckton of money selling beer to college football fans.
This is my libertarianism speaking, but I would bet dollars to donuts that selling booze would not only raise money, but DECREASE the out-of-control drunkenness in the stadium. Right now, the standard is to sneak your own hard liquor into the stadium. Selling beers or even cocktails at a premium will eliminate that black market and will most likely result in more restraint.
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Absolutely NO.
No way this is a good idea. Chizzy and Wes are on the same side as usual, so that should be enough to prove it's a bad idea.
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This is my libertarianism speaking, but I would bet dollars to donuts that selling booze would not only raise money, but DECREASE the out-of-control drunkenness in the stadium. Right now, the standard is to sneak your own hard liquor into the stadium. Selling beers or even cocktails at a premium will eliminate that black market and will most likely result in more restraint.
Again, it's all about how they handle the sales in my opinion. At last year's concert, they had kiosks set up in the concourse and a couple out on the stadium floor. You normally waited in a long line for an $8.00 16oz'r. Not the case this year. Same kiosks set up, but a walking beer vendor also readily available from start to finish. Always one on the stairs by our section and as I said, there were some trashed individuals.
One thing Snagette and I kept cracking up at were 4 women, two of which were in the rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' mode early on. Every time they'd go to the bathroom or concessions, they'd all get up together and walk up and down the stairs like a kindergarten class on a field trip. Straight line with a hand on the shoulder of the person in front of you. It was the only way to keep a couple of them from face planting.
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Absolutely NO.
No way this is a good idea. Chizzy and Wes are on the same side as usual, so that should be enough to prove it's a bad idea.
We are on the same side. Validating the correctness of our shared opinion.
I echo your absolutely and inject an unequivocally and emphatically.
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This is my libertarianism speaking, but I would bet dollars to donuts that selling booze would not only raise money, but DECREASE the out-of-control drunkenness in the stadium. Right now, the standard is to sneak your own hard liquor into the stadium. Selling beers or even cocktails at a premium will eliminate that black market and will most likely result in more restraint.
I'm really sick of this bogus argument. It's a falsehood.
Make heroin legal and we will have fewer overdoses! Make abortion legal so people stop using coat hangers.
It's bullshit. Evidence does not bear this argument out. Never will.
If you two want beer poured on you and drunk fuckholes bellowing near you go to Tuscaloosa, Talladega or an NFL game. Not Auburn.
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I'm in the don't really care either way camp. I just hope they don't sell it in the regular concession stands. The lines are already close to unbearable. Imagine having to pour beer on top of all else.
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I'm in the don't really care either way camp. I just hope they don't sell it in the regular concession stands. The lines are already close to unbearable. Imagine having to pour beer on top of all else.
In the two concerts, they weren't selling it in the regular concessions. SodixaHo wasn't passing out any brewski's. They had numerous stations out in the concourse.
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I'm really sick of this bogus argument. It's a falsehood.
Make heroin legal and we will have fewer overdoses! Make abortion legal so people stop using coat hangers.
It's bullshit. Evidence does not bear this argument out. Never will.
Maybe too early to declare victory on the heroin front, but your abortion argument position is totally false.
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Maybe too early to declare victory on the heroin front, but your abortion argument position is totally false.
Evidence actually does bear out both cases. He's wrong, but at this point pointing it out is like pointing out the sun is rising.
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/15/12915200/canada-heroin-injection-site
https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin
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Interesting piece I found from this past September addressing some of the points made here. From insidehighered.com
Ohio State University football fans attending the first home game of the season earlier this month saw a new concession item on the menu at Ohio Stadium. Among the hot dogs, pretzels and tacos, the game’s attendees were also able to buy cans of Miller Lite.
This season, Ohio State became one of several universities to sell beer at football games. In the last decade, alcohol sales at college stadiums have gone from nearly nonexistent to an increasingly popular -- though largely unproven -- solution for programs hoping to improve sagging attendance at home games.
West Virginia University started offering beer at its stadium’s concession stands in 2011, and the idea has snowballed from there. Fans can now drink beer -- and in many cases, wine -- in the stands at the Universities of Cincinnati, Colorado at Boulder, Florida, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, Minnesota, Texas at Austin, and Toledo. Beer is also for sale at Syracuse University, Southern Methodist University and the University of Houston, among many others.
Pennsylvania State University is considering selling beer to general admission fans, and so are the University of Wyoming and Indiana University. Washington State University wants to sell beer at football games but is waiting on the state’s liquor board to approve the change. Unable to sell beer inside its stadium because of Southeastern Conference rules, Louisiana State University is exploring plans to create a beer garden just outside the stadium gates. The University of Pittsburgh started selling beer at its football games this season, as did the University of Tulsa.
“We studied the idea for a year,†said Don Tomkalski, associate athletics director for communications at Tulsa. “And we determined that it could be done responsibility and be a positive change. It gives us an additional revenue source and adds another element to our game-day fan experience.â€
Worried about the binge drinking, disorderly behavior and violence that can come with consuming alcohol, most colleges have long been opposed to selling beer at football games. A study published in January by the National Bureau of Economic Research found a 28 percent increase in rape reports by college-age women on days when Football Bowl Subdivision teams play. Earlier research has found that arrests for driving while intoxicated also increase on college game days.
Those concerns haven't been limited to football games. In 1964, the National Collegiate Athletic Association barred beer sales at the College World Series for baseball. The ban lasted until this summer, when NCAA officials decided to allow beer and wine to be sold once again in an attempt to draw in more fans.
The same logic is driving the changes in college football. A decade ago, most college sports fans looking to down a beer while watching their team had to stay at home or go to a bar. And many did just that. Last year, according to the NCAA, attendance at Football Bowl Subdivision home games averaged about 43,000 people. In the mid-2000s, FBS home games averaged about 46,000 people.
“One of the conversations we’ve been having the past few years is about how we can compete with other fan experiences,†said Jack Miner, director of operations at Ohio State’s registrar office and a member of the university’s athletic council. “Being in Columbus, Ohio, we’re not competing against professional sports teams, but locations where someone can go watch a game. Very frequently we were losing attendance to people staying at home or watching from a bar.â€
Improving the “fan experience†has been a common concern among athletic departments in recent years, leading to college stadiums offering in-stadium instant replay, over-the-top halftime shows and increasingly sophisticated concessions menus.
So far, it’s unclear if selling alcohol has actually helped boost attendance. Anecdotally, university officials say they see more fans attending games and staying in the stands longer. But a paper published in the Journal of Sports Economics last year, which studied attendance at 29 midmajor football programs from 2005 to 2012, found “no evidence†of such a correlation.
As an additional form of revenue, though, selling beer at games seems to be working. West Virginia University has received more than $3 million in revenue from alcohol sales since it began selling beer in 2011. Ohio State and Tulsa, which both began to offer alcohol in their stadiums this season, said it’s too early to offer concrete numbers, but that they expect to see high returns on the investment.
So many people lined up for beer at Ohio State’s first game of the season that one angry fan wrote to the local newspaper, bemoaning the concession stands’ sudden popularity. “I am sure the university made a lot of money on the sale of beer,†the fan wrote. “It had to, because the lines were horrendous.â€
The university said it plans on using $600,000 of the new revenue to hire and train four new campus police officers. Another $50,000 will go toward university research on alcohol consumption. Ohio State, West Virginia and other colleges that now offer beer during games all say that revenue and attendance are not the only reasons for the change, however. They said there’s a safety component, too.
“One of the things we saw consistently when talking to schools that tried beer sales, is that it began changing fan behavior,†Miner said. “We heard a lot of feedback that fans don’t feel the pressure to drink and preload before entering the stadium. There’s no longer that pressure to chug a few beers while tailgating because you know you can’t drink anymore once you’re inside the stadium.â€
It’s too early to say for certain that the experiment has led to less intoxicated fans at Ohio State, but the university suggested that it could be having an effect on fan behavior. In the 2015 season opener, 10 fans were ejected from the stadium, which was on par with the season average of 12 ejections. Only two fans were ejected by stadium security at this season's first game.
West Virginia officials, as well, have reported a “sharp decline†in security incidents during home games. Bob Roberts, the university’s chief of police, said that’s the result of not only selling beer in the stadium but also a series of other precautions the university adopted. Fans can no longer re-enter the stadium if they exit before a game is over, for example, and the university started a campaign called High Five Rules, which encourages students and other fans to “engage in proper behavior.†That includes no excessive drinking.
“We had a reputation as being a pretty bad place to come if you were a visiting team, and I think alcohol was a part of that,†Roberts said. “The beer sales have had an effect on binge drinking before games. As chief of police, if someone said, ‘Hey, we want to sell beer, but not do these extra things,’ I would have said ‘nope, I’m not supporting that.’ But for us, it was a part of an overall strategy for improving safety in our stadium.â€
Aaron White, the program director of college and underage drinking prevention at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, said he is skeptical of beer sales being able to reduce game-day drinking.
The University of Colorado at Boulder, citing drunken and violent behavior of fans, banned drinking in its football stadium from 1996 to 2014. A 2010 study about the university, published in the Journal of American College Health, found that “arrests, assaults, ejections and student referrals to the judicial affairs office all fell dramatically after the ban on beer sales†went into effect.
“Selling alcohol at sporting events is not a prevention strategy,†White said. “It’s a tricky issue, but the logic that allowing alcohol sales inside stadiums will decrease game-day drinking is dubious at best.â€
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Evidence actually does bear out both cases. He's wrong, but at this point pointing it out is like pointing out the sun is rising.
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/15/12915200/canada-heroin-injection-site
https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin
:taunt:
And I can show you any amount of "studies" shitting on your opinion.
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Interesting piece I found from this past September addressing some of the points made here. From insidehighered.com
Ohio State University football fans attending the first home game of the season earlier this month saw a new concession item on the menu at Ohio Stadium. Among the hot dogs, pretzels and tacos, the game’s attendees were also able to buy cans of Miller Lite.
This season, Ohio State became one of several universities to sell beer at football games. In the last decade, alcohol sales at college stadiums have gone from nearly nonexistent to an increasingly popular -- though largely unproven -- solution for programs hoping to improve sagging attendance at home games.
West Virginia University started offering beer at its stadium’s concession stands in 2011, and the idea has snowballed from there. Fans can now drink beer -- and in many cases, wine -- in the stands at the Universities of Cincinnati, Colorado at Boulder, Florida, Louisville, Maryland, Miami, Minnesota, Texas at Austin, and Toledo. Beer is also for sale at Syracuse University, Southern Methodist University and the University of Houston, among many others.
Pennsylvania State University is considering selling beer to general admission fans, and so are the University of Wyoming and Indiana University. Washington State University wants to sell beer at football games but is waiting on the state’s liquor board to approve the change. Unable to sell beer inside its stadium because of Southeastern Conference rules, Louisiana State University is exploring plans to create a beer garden just outside the stadium gates. The University of Pittsburgh started selling beer at its football games this season, as did the University of Tulsa.
“We studied the idea for a year,†said Don Tomkalski, associate athletics director for communications at Tulsa. “And we determined that it could be done responsibility and be a positive change. It gives us an additional revenue source and adds another element to our game-day fan experience.â€
Worried about the binge drinking, disorderly behavior and violence that can come with consuming alcohol, most colleges have long been opposed to selling beer at football games. A study published in January by the National Bureau of Economic Research found a 28 percent increase in rape reports by college-age women on days when Football Bowl Subdivision teams play. Earlier research has found that arrests for driving while intoxicated also increase on college game days.
Those concerns haven't been limited to football games. In 1964, the National Collegiate Athletic Association barred beer sales at the College World Series for baseball. The ban lasted until this summer, when NCAA officials decided to allow beer and wine to be sold once again in an attempt to draw in more fans.
The same logic is driving the changes in college football. A decade ago, most college sports fans looking to down a beer while watching their team had to stay at home or go to a bar. And many did just that. Last year, according to the NCAA, attendance at Football Bowl Subdivision home games averaged about 43,000 people. In the mid-2000s, FBS home games averaged about 46,000 people.
“One of the conversations we’ve been having the past few years is about how we can compete with other fan experiences,†said Jack Miner, director of operations at Ohio State’s registrar office and a member of the university’s athletic council. “Being in Columbus, Ohio, we’re not competing against professional sports teams, but locations where someone can go watch a game. Very frequently we were losing attendance to people staying at home or watching from a bar.â€
Improving the “fan experience†has been a common concern among athletic departments in recent years, leading to college stadiums offering in-stadium instant replay, over-the-top halftime shows and increasingly sophisticated concessions menus.
So far, it’s unclear if selling alcohol has actually helped boost attendance. Anecdotally, university officials say they see more fans attending games and staying in the stands longer. But a paper published in the Journal of Sports Economics last year, which studied attendance at 29 midmajor football programs from 2005 to 2012, found “no evidence†of such a correlation.
As an additional form of revenue, though, selling beer at games seems to be working. West Virginia University has received more than $3 million in revenue from alcohol sales since it began selling beer in 2011. Ohio State and Tulsa, which both began to offer alcohol in their stadiums this season, said it’s too early to offer concrete numbers, but that they expect to see high returns on the investment.
So many people lined up for beer at Ohio State’s first game of the season that one angry fan wrote to the local newspaper, bemoaning the concession stands’ sudden popularity. “I am sure the university made a lot of money on the sale of beer,†the fan wrote. “It had to, because the lines were horrendous.â€
The university said it plans on using $600,000 of the new revenue to hire and train four new campus police officers. Another $50,000 will go toward university research on alcohol consumption. Ohio State, West Virginia and other colleges that now offer beer during games all say that revenue and attendance are not the only reasons for the change, however. They said there’s a safety component, too.
“One of the things we saw consistently when talking to schools that tried beer sales, is that it began changing fan behavior,†Miner said. “We heard a lot of feedback that fans don’t feel the pressure to drink and preload before entering the stadium. There’s no longer that pressure to chug a few beers while tailgating because you know you can’t drink anymore once you’re inside the stadium.â€
It’s too early to say for certain that the experiment has led to less intoxicated fans at Ohio State, but the university suggested that it could be having an effect on fan behavior. In the 2015 season opener, 10 fans were ejected from the stadium, which was on par with the season average of 12 ejections. Only two fans were ejected by stadium security at this season's first game.
West Virginia officials, as well, have reported a “sharp decline†in security incidents during home games. Bob Roberts, the university’s chief of police, said that’s the result of not only selling beer in the stadium but also a series of other precautions the university adopted. Fans can no longer re-enter the stadium if they exit before a game is over, for example, and the university started a campaign called High Five Rules, which encourages students and other fans to “engage in proper behavior.†That includes no excessive drinking.
“We had a reputation as being a pretty bad place to come if you were a visiting team, and I think alcohol was a part of that,†Roberts said. “The beer sales have had an effect on binge drinking before games. As chief of police, if someone said, ‘Hey, we want to sell beer, but not do these extra things,’ I would have said ‘nope, I’m not supporting that.’ But for us, it was a part of an overall strategy for improving safety in our stadium.â€
Aaron White, the program director of college and underage drinking prevention at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, said he is skeptical of beer sales being able to reduce game-day drinking.
The University of Colorado at Boulder, citing drunken and violent behavior of fans, banned drinking in its football stadium from 1996 to 2014. A 2010 study about the university, published in the Journal of American College Health, found that “arrests, assaults, ejections and student referrals to the judicial affairs office all fell dramatically after the ban on beer sales†went into effect.
“Selling alcohol at sporting events is not a prevention strategy,†White said. “It’s a tricky issue, but the logic that allowing alcohol sales inside stadiums will decrease game-day drinking is dubious at best.â€
This is so much bullshit. If you can't get fans to come to your game because they can't last four fucking hours without soaking themselves in booze? Fuck your fans. Build a smaller stadium.
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There is enough issues with drunks and smokers as it is.
I'll admit, I've been drunk as a coot in JHS but only once. I've drank a number of times but I'm more interested in football than drink when I'm there.
I hate smoking in JHS. Used to smoke myself but can't tolerate it now. Literally makes me queasy to smell. Hate walking by smokers at the gates or on the ramp, etc. and sometimes I've seen drunks light up in the stadium. Selling beer will only make it worse.
I may as well face it. We are like a minor league team for the NFL. Losing traditions and identity faster than I can handle.
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There is enough issues with drunks and smokers as it is.
I'll admit, I've been drunk as a coot in JHS but only once. I've drank a number of times but I'm more interested in football than drink when I'm there.
I hate smoking in JHS. Used to smoke myself but can't tolerate it now. Literally makes me queasy to smell. Hate walking by smokers at the gates or on the ramp, etc. and sometimes I've seen drunks light up in the stadium. Selling beer will only make it worse.
I may as well face it. We are like a minor league team for the NFL. Losing traditions and identity faster than I can handle.
I think most of them hate you like Dallas.
To be fair, it sounds like the alcohol thing is still just a possibility and probably pretty far off, if it happens at all. But if Jay thinks it will bring in more JJ Bucks, it's more likely than not.
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I'll bare knuckle fight anyone in defense of my cigar and whiskey, Sonic parking lot or not. Come at me.
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I'll bare knuckle fight anyone in defense of my cigar and whiskey, Sonic parking lot or not. Come at me.
Marquess of Queensbury Rules in the Sonic Parking lot?
I would thrash you, simpleton.
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I'll bare knuckle fight anyone in defense of my cigar and whiskey, Sonic parking lot or not. Come at me.
I can withstand cigar smoke better than Winstons. But you're not smoking in the stands anyway.
Although I don't think the rules apply to Chief any way.
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I'm with tailgating on this, I'm neither for nor against. I would probably still sneak it in to avoid lining Jays pockets further.
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I'm with tailgating on this, I'm neither for nor against. I would probably still sneak it in to avoid lining Jays pockets further.
This is going to lessen our ability to recruit :starz:
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So I guess at Bryant Denney they will have meth stands alongside the Dippin' Dots.
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JJ Bucks. Now that's an idea we can all get behind.
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So I guess at Bryant Denney they will have meth stands alongside the Dippin' Dots.
I thought they already had them?
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I thought they already had them?
What he is saying is that they will be moving them from behind the dumpster to beside Dippin Dots.
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This is my libertarianism speaking, but I would bet dollars to donuts that selling booze would not only raise money, but DECREASE the out-of-control drunkenness in the stadium. Right now, the standard is to sneak your own hard liquor into the stadium. Selling beers or even cocktails at a premium will eliminate that black market and will most likely result in more restraint.
You don't say?
People forget about the failure of prohibition and the consequence of it. Same applies here. Allowing it also allows them to regulate and control it thus cutting down on the bootleg folks getting out of hand.
I'm with you and weskie. All for it.
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I'm really sick of this bogus argument. It's a falsehood.
Make heroin legal and we will have fewer overdoses! Make abortion legal so people stop using coat hangers.
It's bullshit. Evidence does not bear this argument out. Never will.
If you two want beer poured on you and drunk fuckholes bellowing near you go to Tuscaloosa, Talladega or an NFL game. Not Auburn.
Difference is heroin is illegal. Alcohol is not.
You can either control it at the beer stand somewhat. Or you can let the bootleggers bring it in. Either way people who wanna are gonna inside jhs. Like I said above its more akin to prohibition than anything. If you've been to jhs and haven't came across one of those fuckholes with 3 too many airplane bottles of Jd in him then I will show you around some this fall.
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Difference is heroin is illegal. Alcohol is not.
You can either control it at the beer stand somewhat. Or you can let the bootleggers bring it in. Either way people who wanna are gonna inside jhs. Like I said above its more akin to prohibition than anything. If you've been to jhs and haven't came across one of those fuckholes with 3 too many airplane bottles of Jd in him then I will show you around some this fall.
If you are not selling it, it really is not bootlegging!
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You don't say?
People forget about the failure of prohibition and the consequence of it. Same applies here. Allowing it also allows them to regulate and control it thus cutting down on the bootleg folks getting out of hand.
I'm with you and weskie. All for it.
I believe you are also agreeing with Chizad.
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I believe you are also agreeing with Chizad.
Weskie, Chizzy, Prowler....they all look the same.
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I believe you are also agreeing with Chizad.
On this one I am.
I thought wes illustrated it perfectly with the pros and cons.
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If you are not selling it, it really is not bootlegging!
Loose use of the word my man. You get the drift. It's a rule not to bring it in. People do anyway.
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Loose use of the word my man. You get the drift. It's a rule not to bring it in. People do anyway.
Whaaaaaat? I am shocked. Shocked I tell ya'.
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The only time I've ever been even remotely "wasted" in JHS was all the way back when I was a student. And that was only because I was still drinking from the night before. There wasn't a soul in the end zone seats so I just stretched out on the bleachers and sacked out for a couple of quarters. Now my first trip to the Super Dome for the Sugar Bowl? I don't want to talk about it.
Like I said, I'm normally going to come in the stadium toting a bottle or two with some dude's name on it. Jim, Jack, Mark, Evan etc. I bring the same amount every time. Enough for one good stiffy each half. Not enough to get toasted but just the right amount to either make me smile or easily get pissed at the refs and/or Gus. Or Jay.
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Two words......Wild Turkey.
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The only time I've ever been even remotely "wasted" in JHS was all the way back when I was a student. And that was only because I was still drinking from the night before. There wasn't a soul in the end zone seats so I just stretched out on the bleachers and sacked out for a couple of quarters. Now my first trip to the Super Dome for the Sugar Bowl? I don't want to talk about it.
Like I said, I'm normally going to come in the stadium toting a bottle or two with some dude's name on it. Jim, Jack, Mark, Evan etc. I bring the same amount every time. Enough for one good stiffy each half. Not enough to get toasted but just the right amount to either make me smile or easily get pissed at the refs and/or Gus. Or Jay.
I'm pretty sure that it's not the brand name of the whiskey that makes you smile but the placement of the miniature bottles.
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I'm pretty sure that it's not the brand name of the whiskey that makes you smile but the placement of the miniature bottles.
You'd be surprised how many fit when you don't have a sack in there.
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You'd be surprised how many fit when you don't have a sack in there.
How many?
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I'm pretty sure that it's not the brand name of the whiskey that makes you smile but the placement of the miniature bottles.
I'll admit, sometimes I have to wash the bottle off first.
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You'd be surprised how many fit when you don't have a sack in there.
If the truth be told, I'll bet he has more than one or two "stiffies" on game day too.
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The only time I have been wasted inside JHS, I did not touch a drop inside the stadium. I had a boob dog and cussed out some old lady. Good times.
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The only time I have been wasted inside JHS, I did not touch a drop inside the stadium. I had a boob dog and cussed out some old lady. Good times.
She had it coming.
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The only time I have been wasted inside JHS, I did not touch a drop inside the stadium. I had a boob dog and cussed out some old lady. Good times.
Who did you give the boob dog to?
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I'm disappointed in the lot of you. This is Auburn Football sometimes you need to get wasted to make it through the game.
I think I was wasted through the entire 2012 season.
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I'm disappointed in the lot of you. This is Auburn Football sometimes you need to get wasted to make it through the game.
I think I was wasted through the entire 2012 season.
aTm '12 was my one and only experience.
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The only time I have been wasted inside JHS, I did not touch a drop inside the stadium. I had a boob dog and cussed out some old lady. Good times.
I can confirm that the cussing of the old lady did occur. A riot damn near broke out. Section 46 was angry that day, my friends - and this was before the game even started.
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aTm '12 was my one and only experience.
I was too pissed to drink at aTm '12. Frickin' quitters.
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I can confirm that the cussing of the old lady did occur. A riot damn near broke out. Section 46 was angry that day, my friends - and this was before the game even started.
Angry like an old man trying to take back his soup in a deli.
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Seems telling that after a decade of Auburn football under Jay Jacobs's leadership, we're feeling the need to sell alcohol in the stadium.
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I was too pissed to drink at aTm '12. Frickin' quitters.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. I doubt there will be another X-gate as epic as that one, nor more drunken shenanigans experienced in one afternoon than those that occurred that day.
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. I doubt there will be another X-gate as epic as that one, nor more drunken shenanigans experienced in one afternoon than those that occurred that day.
I can recall some times, but the statute of limitations isn't up yet.
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Seems telling that after a decade of Auburn football under Jay Jacobs's leadership, we're feeling the need to sell alcohol in the stadium.
It's only the SEC Commish saying there might be talks in the future about allowing it to be sold to general admission seating in SEC venues.
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. I doubt there will be another X-gate as epic as that one, nor more drunken shenanigans experienced in one afternoon than those that occurred that day.
I left about the time that Buzzer's buzzer went off.
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I can recall some times, but the statute of limitations isn't up yet.
Its a good thing I wasn't or you all would have ended up pregnant.
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Difference is heroin is illegal. Alcohol is not.
You can either control it at the beer stand somewhat. Or you can let the bootleggers bring it in. Either way people who wanna are gonna inside jhs. Like I said above its more akin to prohibition than anything. If you've been to jhs and haven't came across one of those fuckholes with 3 too many airplane bottles of Jd in him then I will show you around some this fall.
The difference between readily available and having to sneak it in is the difference between 100 drunk assholes who decided on the spur of the moment to have four more than they should and 10 guys who managed to bring in more than they could handle.
No sir. I don't like it.
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The difference between readily available and having to sneak it in is the difference between 100 drunk assholes who decided on the spur of the moment to have four more than they should and 10 guys who managed to bring in more than they could handle.
No sir. I don't like it.
That's the lesson from prohibition, amirite?
"EVIDENCE DOES NOT BARE IT OUT AND NEVER WILL WHEN I PLUG MY EARS AND COVER MY EYES!"
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That's the lesson from prohibition, amirite?
"EVIDENCE DOES NOT BARE IT OUT AND NEVER WILL WHEN I PLUG MY EARS AND COVER MY EYES!"
Wrong.
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That's the lesson from prohibition, amirite?
"EVIDENCE DOES NOT BARE IT OUT AND NEVER WILL WHEN I PLUG MY EARS AND COVER MY EYES!"
The most fucking moronic argument I've ever seen you make.
I'm on the verge of meme shaming your ass.
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The most fucking moronic argument I've ever seen you make.
I'm on the verge of meme shaming your ass.
He has no shame.
Regardless, shame him! I mean, shame him or her!
It's worth a try.
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The most fucking moronic argument I've ever seen you make.
I'm on the verge of meme shaming your ass.
Except he's correct.
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Except he's correct.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
See Wes, if he says I'm wrong, and that it's the dumbest argument he's seen from me, despite using that card every single time his argument is defeated, then I'm de facto wrong.
Truth is the world as Kaos sees it. Everything else is #FakeNews.
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See Wes, if he says I'm wrong, and that it's the dumbest argument he's seen from me, despite using that card every single time his argument is defeated, then I'm de facto wrong.
Truth is the world as Kaos sees it. Everything else is #FakeNews.
It's not the dumbest argument I've seen from you. I think he's wrong about that.
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See Wes, if he says I'm wrong, and that it's the dumbest argument he's seen from me, despite using that card every single time his argument is defeated, then I'm de facto wrong.
Truth is the world as Kaos sees it. Everything else is #FakeNews.
See also: NOT HILLARY!!!!
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See also: NOT HILLARY!!!!
No need for a rational fact-based argument when you can just blurt an insult instead. THEN YOU'RE NEVER WRONG!
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No need for a rational fact-based argument when you can just blurt an insult instead. THEN YOU'RE NEVER WRONG!
Your're wrong.
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Your're wrong.
A well thought out argument.
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See Wes, if he says I'm wrong, and that it's the dumbest argument he's seen from me, despite using that card every single time his argument is defeated, then I'm de facto wrong.
Truth is the world as Kaos sees it. Everything else is #FakeNews.
Your "argument" such as it were was flawed on multiple fronts.
First, the effort to correlate prohibition and not selling alcohol in JHS is laughable. It's like comparing monkeys to PVC pipe. Idiotic. Not the same thing.
Second, its simply a fallacy that legalizing something negative somehow makes it better. Has alcoholism declined since the end of prohibition? DUIs? Alcohol related deaths? Liver disease? Alcohol related violence? Divorces?
Did legalized abortion lead to fewer murders? Greater stigma?
That portion of your argument -- lame as it was -- is the excuse given by the weak to justify all manner of evils. Hey, pedos are going to fuck little kids anyway. Why make it illegal. And burglars are just gonna burg. Might as well let them.
Sometimes, Chizad? Wrong really does say it all. Little else was needed to shit on your pathetic effort
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No need for a rational fact-based argument when you can just blurt an insult instead. THEN YOU'RE NEVER WRONG!
Homo.
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Please to stop hijacking our drunk in JHS story time.
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Your "argument" such as it were was flawed on multiple fronts.
First, the effort to correlate prohibition and not selling alcohol in JHS is laughable. It's like comparing monkeys to PVC pipe. Idiotic. Not the same thing.
Second, its simply a fallacy that legalizing something negative somehow makes it better. Has alcoholism declined since the end of prohibition? DUIs? Alcohol related deaths? Liver disease? Alcohol related violence? Divorces?
Did legalized abortion lead to fewer murders? Greater stigma?
That portion of your argument -- lame as it was -- is the excuse given by the weak to justify all manner of evils. Hey, pedos are going to fuck little kids anyway. Why make it illegal. And burglars are just gonna burg. Might as well let them.
Sometimes, Chizad? Wrong really does say it all. Little else was needed to shit on your pathetic effort
No
Because alcohol is something that has already been deemed legal to do. And unless you are doing something illegal with it, you aren't hurting anyone but you. People bring it in because it's legal to own and drink in general. It's not criminal to take it in. Just a soft rule so people will do it anyway. To compare that to being a burglar(illegal in any fashion anywhere) is more the apples and oranges.
The comparison to prohibition is to illustrate that it's probably a safer environment overall when it's controlled legally versus the instability created by buffoons who can't handle large amounts going unchecked sneaking it in. I'm ok with people bringing in their own but you always have those that just can't control it. I've seen this personally. Selling it let's the "bartender" either cut them off or have their asses thrown out for getting too belligerent as Wes said. Prohibition of anything inherently legal creates a more volatile and uncontrollable environment. That's more the point.
Your argument to me sounds more like a "should alcohol even be legal" argument.
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No
Because alcohol is something that has already been deemed legal to do. And unless you are doing something illegal with it, you aren't hurting anyone but you. People bring it in because it's legal to own and drink in general. It's not criminal to take it in. Just a soft rule so people will do it anyway. To compare that to being a burglar(illegal in any fashion anywhere) is more the apples and oranges.
The comparison to prohibition is to illustrate that it's probably a safer environment overall when it's controlled legally versus the instability created by buffoons who can't handle large amounts going unchecked sneaking it in. I'm ok with people bringing in their own but you always have those that just can't control it. I've seen this personally. Selling it let's the "bartender" either cut them off or have their asses thrown out for getting too belligerent as Wes said. Prohibition of anything inherently legal creates a more volatile and uncontrollable environment. That's more the point.
Your argument to me sounds more like a "should alcohol even be legal" argument.
Completely wrong.
Has the end of prohibition in any way, shape or form resulted in fewer drunks? Has it helped curb any alcohol-related illnesses or addictions? That was chad's stupid ass argument. It was "better" because it was legal and it would be.better at JHS were it allowed there.
Utter horseshit. The people who sneak booze are going to sneak booze legal or not. It's absolute nonsense to posit that the availability of legal alcohol willl somehow cut down on the incidents of drunkenness. Poppyrot.
As for the portion of the argument you attempted? This isn't a matter of legal vs illegal. It's a matter of choosing the appropriate venue. Many cities have open container laws. Many have laws regulating when and where.
It's legal to take a shit but you can't do it on the sidewalk. Wrong venue. Not appropriate.
For a number of reasons the sale of alcohol is not appropriate for JHS. The argument that it would somehow be better if "controlled" is a farce.
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Your "argument" such as it were was flawed on multiple fronts.
First, the effort to correlate prohibition and not selling alcohol in JHS is laughable. It's like comparing monkeys to PVC pipe. Idiotic. Not the same thing.
Second, its simply a fallacy that legalizing something negative somehow makes it better. Has alcoholism declined since the end of prohibition? DUIs? Alcohol related deaths? Liver disease? Alcohol related violence? Divorces?
Did legalized abortion lead to fewer murders? Greater stigma?
That portion of your argument -- lame as it was -- is the excuse given by the weak to justify all manner of evils. Hey, pedos are going to fuck little kids anyway. Why make it illegal. And burglars are just gonna burg. Might as well let them.
Sometimes, Chizad? Wrong really does say it all. Little else was needed to shit on your pathetic effort
I see what you mean. You're just wrong. Pretty much all there is to say here. Not worth wasting time delving in to point by point how everything you said here was either factually and statistically incorrect (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/17/509734620/u-s-abortion-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade), wildly presumptive, a hyperbolic strawman, or an insane false equivalence.
But yeah, you're probably right, letting people enjoy a few pops at the football game is exactly like legalizing pedophilia...
:taunt:
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Completely wrong.
Has the end of prohibition in any way, shape or form resulted in fewer drunks? Has it helped curb any alcohol-related illnesses or addictions? That was chad's stupid ass argument. It was "better" because it was legal and it would be.better at JHS were it allowed there.
Utter horseshit. The people who sneak booze are going to sneak booze legal or not. It's absolute nonsense to posit that the availability of legal alcohol willl somehow cut down on the incidents of drunkenness. Poppyrot.
As for the portion of the argument you attempted? This isn't a matter of legal vs illegal. It's a matter of choosing the appropriate venue. Many cities have open container laws. Many have laws regulating when and where.
It's legal to take a shit but you can't do it on the sidewalk. Wrong venue. Not appropriate.
For a number of reasons the sale of alcohol is not appropriate for JHS. The argument that it would somehow be better if "controlled" is a farce.
The bed of an opposing fan's truck could be considered an appropriate venue.
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Completely wrong.
Has the end of prohibition in any way, shape or form resulted in fewer drunks? Has it helped curb any alcohol-related illnesses or addictions? That was chad's stupid ass argument. It was "better" because it was legal and it would be.better at JHS were it allowed there.
Utter horseshit. The people who sneak booze are going to sneak booze legal or not. It's absolute nonsense to posit that the availability of legal alcohol willl somehow cut down on the incidents of drunkenness. Poppyrot.
As for the portion of the argument you attempted? This isn't a matter of legal vs illegal. It's a matter of choosing the appropriate venue. Many cities have open container laws. Many have laws regulating when and where.
It's legal to take a shit but you can't do it on the sidewalk. Wrong venue. Not appropriate.
For a number of reasons the sale of alcohol is not appropriate for JHS. The argument that it would somehow be better if "controlled" is a farce.
Why is it the wrong venue? Who decides that? We're getting into arbitrary blue law territory now. And again - not selling it there doesn't mean it ain't there. Nothing you can do about that.
Not sure the argument on prohibition causing fewer or more drunks since is relevant.
But it did create a much more hostile environment. You know organized crime and bootlegging and all. Which is the point. And that's fact not opinion. It happened.
Making it legal and in a controlled environment is a better option. Especially for something already legal.
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End of the day, I'm not sure anyone is changing anyone else's opinion on this topic. Everyone has their reasons. I respect that. On this one I'm just more on the libertarian side of the fence.
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End of the day, I'm not sure anyone is changing anyone else's opinion on this topic. Everyone has their reasons. I respect that. On this one I'm just more on the libertarian side of the fence.
Yep. Chizzy is a homo.
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Completely wrong.
Has the end of prohibition in any way, shape or form resulted in fewer drunks? Has it helped curb any alcohol-related illnesses or addictions? That was chad's stupid ass argument.
This guy agreed with him:
Yes. I know prohibition failed.
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Why is it the wrong venue? Who decides that? We're getting into arbitrary blue law territory now. And again - not selling it there doesn't mean it ain't there. Nothing you can do about that.
Not sure the argument on prohibition causing fewer or more drunks since is relevant.
But it did create a much more hostile environment. You know organized crime and bootlegging and all. Which is the point. And that's fact not opinion. It happened.
Making it legal and in a controlled environment is a better option. Especially for something already legal.
So it's okay because the government makes money, not the bootleggers?
Pfffftttt. Invalid point.
Why is it not an appropriate venue? Because it's a COLLEGE football game sponsored by Auburn University. Many of the players aren't even old enough to even drink.
There's a vast difference between knowing something exists that you'd prefer to prevent and the complicit endorsement of an activity by providing easy access to it.
Roughly 72% of the student body at Auburn is under the age of 21. I'd have a hard time supporting a university that embraced providing alcohol at sponsored events, including football.
What's next? Kegs at high school football games? Open bars at pee wee soccer?
Why is it we can legislate and shame smoking into virtual non-existence but the same social taboo isn't applied to drinking? When was the last time anybody had a few too many Winstons and roughed up the wife and kids? When was the last time anybody smoked a whole pack of Kools and killed somebody on the highway? Smoking isn't 1/10th the hazard to others that drinking is. And yet we've disgraced it into submission.
I have no problem with selling booze at pro games. Or NASCAR events. Or the WWE. Or the opera. Or concerts (that are not held on college campuses). The sale of alcohol has no place at a University sponsored public event. That's common sense.
Sure, prohibition failed. It failed in execution, not concept. You'll never convince me that the end of prohibition "solved" anything or made this a better country. There is no evidence to support that, it's just the lie people tell you to justify doing whatever it is they want to do. It's a lie no matter who says it.
You have no legs on which to stand and no arms with which to support this farcical position. This has nothing to do with libertarianism or any other political position.
Yeah, chad. You're gonna control it because people will drink LESS when they have MORE access to it. God DAMM that's stupid. You've surpassed Prowler in dumbassery with this one.
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I see what you mean. You're just wrong. Pretty much all there is to say here. Not worth wasting time delving in to point by point how everything you said here was either factly and statistically incorrect (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/17/509734620/u-s-abortion-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade), wildly presumptive, a hyperbolic strawman, or an insane false equivalence.
But yeah, you're probably right, letting people enjoy a few pops at the football game is exactly like legalizing pedophilia...
:taunt:
Wrong.