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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on August 04, 2016, 04:55:54 PM
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Bear with me just a little, ok? I've been through this garbage for a long time. I'm seeing the second Death Star up and running after I thought it had been blown up for good. Having endured it twice, I'm going to have to make some controversial statements.
Back in the 70s when the Crimpson Cheating Machine was in full swing, those hillbilly bastards used to lecture us uppity Aubs about knowing our "place."
Remember Battlestar Galactica? All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again. It's true. In my lifetime I've watched this evil, vile empire of morons rise from the ashes, reassert itself and once again perpetuate a rampant cycle of cheating, graft and corruption the likes of which I honestly thought could never again happen.
Back in the 70s, we never tried to be anything other than what we were. We didn't follow them down the cheating path -- despite the fact that Bryant repeatedly threw us under the NCAA bus for minor infractions just to maintain his superiority.
It's always been known, and it's forever true that when the playing field is level, when we are playing by the same rules, we will whip their ass more often than not in every conceivable measure -- NOT just on the football field. But yes, that too.
In the 70s, though, we just accepted what was, endured the gloating, the crowing, the hillbilly hoedowns and media weiner rubs that were part and parcel of who and what THEY were. That was never us and never going to be us.
Then Pat Dye. God love the man. He helped us level the playing field and maybe, just maybe he started using some of their own tactics against them. The 80s were fun, but it changed who we thought we were a little bit. We competed for SEC titles, were in the NC conversation. All the things they'd been and had were now coming to us.
That begot Jay Jacobs. He was an AU fan. He was born in LaFayette but grew up in Florida where he mostly missed the awful 70s. Not living here, he didn't bear the brunt of what it meant in that day and time. Yes, I'm saying it is like being the veteran of a war. A different kind of war. He wanted to play at AU so bad he walked on. But he walked on to a different AU team. One that was on the upswing.
He came there and except for a very short stint as a football coach at a small AISA school, he's never left. Sometimes when you're in the forest too long, you can't see the trees.
Over the past 20 years or so, he's tried to create a very different Auburn -- one that plays in the same park as Alabama, but tries to do so without breaking the same rules. It's created a situation that isn't -- in my opinion -- sustainable. It will constantly implode on itself in trying to be something NOW as opposed to making the right decisions for the long term.
I've long advocated fighting them. I've always been one who wanted to bring that empire crashing down and leave nothing but smoldering rubble in Tuscaloosa. But I don't think it's possible. Their long game (whether on purpose or by accident) is a master work. The defenses are almost impenetrable. They have their people in virtually every major media market. They have a coach who got control of the boosters, set up an organized system to cheat at the highest levels and is bastard enough to maintain it. They got leverage on the NCAA (as Bryant had) because there are things that Emmert doesn't want to see the light of day from his time at Washington and LSU. He won't cross Saban.
Maybe it's better to pretend that UA is just Snots the dog and he's latched on to the leg. Just let him finish.
It won't last forever and the fall when Saban leaves will be spectacular. The problem in my mind, is what's going to be left of the Auburn I grew up loving when that happens?
There's already far too much of that Auburn that's little more than a faded memory now. It's been sanitized, corporatized, glossied up in a mad scramble for more and more dollars so we can keep up with the rest of the cheating fucks out there.
Maybe the hillbillies in the 70s were right. Maybe our "place" isn't trying to keep up with them. We're never going to be the sort of cheating machine that they are. So we make sacrifices and do other things to try to keep up. Maybe we shouldn't.
It makes me sad. And I'm not sure that if I had it to do all over again if I wouldn't go to David Housel's house in 2003 and physically stop him from getting on that jet to Louisville.
This is all Jay Jacobs' fault. Just saying.
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Jay Jacobs... I feel like you can just look at him and tell he does not have what it takes.
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There is much wisdom in your words, pale face. But I'm curious as to what you think the alternative is. Regardless of the fact that Alabama proposed selling their souls for world dominance and the devil accepted the offer, we still can't back off in the arms race. Like it or not, we're still in the toughest division in the baddest ass conference in the land. Back off at any point and we're not even Kentucky football.
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We can start by flipping that damn Jumbotron 180° and replacing it with our old scoreboard. Next, stop treating the players like fucking babies or entitled little children. Treat them like men.
We need hardnose football at AU, not a halftime show. Oh, and fire JJ.
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What we really need is more trivia questions during timeouts.
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What the Auburn world needs now is another folk singer like I need a(nother) hole in my head.
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What the Auburn world needs now is another folk singer like I need a(nother) hole in my head.
Nah...what the world needs now is a new Frank Sinatra, so I can get you in bed.
$1 for the Cracker reference.
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This is no longer the Auburn that you or I knew. The fact that it's not the family affair that it once was will tell you that. There is too much money in college football now for it to go any other direction than pro ball has.
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I wonder if it isn't the misguided attempts at trying to keep it a family affair that aren't fucking us up. They need approval and some say in coaching decisions...and will only take on coaches that agree to that. They don't allow anyone to take total control of the program so as to not corrupt the Auburn way.....and if we lose a few games along the way at least we haven't lost our integrity and we are still Auburn.
It's bullshit.
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First and foremost: A run/play action guru should never allow his stable of backs to get so thin in numbers. UGA might lose a couple of theirs but they can still run it.
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First and foremost: A run/play action guru should never allow his stable of backs to get so thin in numbers. UGA might lose a couple of theirs but they can still run it.
If UGA lost their top 3 returning rushers, they'd have a roster situation like we do: bodies with no experience.
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Nevermind, I was being specific. You guys are looking systemic.
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I wonder if it isn't the misguided attempts at trying to keep it a family affair that aren't fucking us up. They need approval and some say in coaching decisions...and will only take on coaches that agree to that. They don't allow anyone to take total control of the program so as to not corrupt the Auburn way.....and if we lose a few games along the way at least we haven't lost our integrity and we are still Auburn.
It's bullshit.
We can't be both. You said it so much better than me.
We can either be the Auburn of my youth, the one I remember and grew to love because it was Auburn -- not a football factory -- or we can stay in the war to be a super power.
Even still, I think we are going about the super power war in entirely the wrong way. My parents bought season tickets for as long as I can remember. They didn't always use them and they'd give them away to friends and family. About the time Jacobs came along the strings they had to pull to keep having the right to buy the tickets got longer and longer. Season ticket holders for 20+ years and then "well, you'll have to contribute $XXX to stay in that spot!" and next year it's more. And next year, "we're moving you from the seats you've always had" They weren't primo, but were in the lower level at about the 20 -- moving to the end zone. And then moving to the upper deck. And then "Hey, you've got to pay $XXXXXXXX to keep those upper deck seats!" They said fuck it and gave up. That's not right.
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We can't be both. You said it so much better than me.
We can either be the Auburn of my youth, the one I remember and grew to love because it was Auburn -- not a football factory -- or we can stay in the war to be a super power.
Even still, I think we are going about the super power war in entirely the wrong way. My parents bought season tickets for as long as I can remember. They didn't always use them and they'd give them away to friends and family. About the time Jacobs came along the strings they had to pull to keep having the right to buy the tickets got longer and longer. Season ticket holders for 20+ years and then "well, you'll have to contribute $XXX to stay in that spot!" and next year it's more. And next year, "we're moving you from the seats you've always had" They weren't primo, but were in the lower level at about the 20 -- moving to the end zone. And then moving to the upper deck. And then "Hey, you've got to pay $XXXXXXXX to keep those upper deck seats!" They said fuck it and gave up. That's not right.
Unfortunately, that happens everywhere. I've had the same seats in Ark for almost twenty years now, but the next donation increase will probably be the end for me. I'll let all the corporate wonks sit there on their hands and just watch from home.
Welcome to modern college football, which seems to be only about 3 or 4 years from just giving up and becoming an NFL minor league. I expect the band to be phased out any time, with a new club zone set up in that area that costs eleventy billion a year for seat licenses. The band takes too much time away from commercials on the mega jumbo tron anyway, and we can always play more rap music over the PA.
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You are discussing two different aspects IMO. There is Jacobs and then there is progress. Is it the Auburn you knew growing up...no, hell it's not even the Auburn I attended in the 90's. However, you can't be a good football program and not expect progress you can't even be a good program. You can't go into the past.
You have to have progress, the more expensive tickets, the big screen, stadium expansion, better facilities it all has to be done, or you will become irrelevant. None of that aspect of what Jacobs has done bothers me. I like to see that we are growing, at the same time yes it makes me sad, but things change. It's the way it is....cars don't cost $500 and houses don't cost $10000. It's progress...like it or not.
You are dead right about other aspects of Jacobs, my problem with Jacobs is his portrayal as an "Owner" it's his decisions regarding tailgating, it's his need to have CONTROL. As an AD you shouldn't be out front with your face smiling, let the coach do what he needs to do stay out of it. I also think the problem runs deeper than that. It's our BOT as well, they are the ones that put Jacobs in power because they wanted a yes man. Well he is the ultimate suck-up, the used car salesman with the cheesy grin and the slicked hair.
I have no faith in any football hires Jacobs makes, and I don't know if I have faith that if we fired Jacobs our BOT would put anyone else better in the position.
I love my Auburn family, but it's BS to me that we go after coaches that have "Auburn" ties and that also seems to be a Jacob's mentality. Fuck that... get the best person for the job. If I am hiring someone sure if they are an Auburn Grad they are going to get top billing, but if they aren't right for the job or dumb as a box of rocks I wouldn't hire them because of "Auburn ties". Football seems to be the only sport we consistently try to do that.
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Unfortunately, that happens everywhere. I've had the same seats in Ark for almost twenty years now, but the next donation increase will probably be the end for me. I'll let all the corporate wonks sit there on their hands and just watch from home.
Welcome to modern college football, which seems to be only about 3 or 4 years from just giving up and becoming an NFL minor league. I expect the band to be phased out any time, with a new club zone set up in that area that costs eleventy billion a year for seat licenses. The band takes too much time away from commercials on the mega jumbo tron anyway, and we can always play more rap music over the PA.
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The band has already been squeezed out of the pre-kickoff music anyway in favor of Young Joc and trance music.
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The band has already been squeezed out of the pre-kickoff music anyway in favor of Young Joc and trance music.
Nailed a major pet peeve for Snags. Hell, they play that crap OVER the band.
More expensive to attend games? Yeah, that's been covered above. Not gonna' change. Other than that, it's still the same Auburn it's always been. Same Auburn family. Same Auburn traditions.
I'll be at Joe's come September 3rd eating barbecue and getting lubed up for Clemson.
Y'all can join me or stay your ass at home. Either way...
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Nailed a major pet peeve for Snags. Hell, they play that crap OVER the band.
More expensive to attend games? Yeah, that's been covered above. Not gonna' change. Other than that, it's still the same Auburn it's always been. Same Auburn family. Same Auburn traditions.
I'll be at Joe's come September 3rd eating barbecue and getting lubed up for Clemson.
Y'all can join me or stay your ass at home. Either way...
At a different location...by the humming dishes that give you the brain pains.
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At a different location...by the humming dishes that give you the brain pains.
But a healthy glow.
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I'll be there, I always am (not with you, Snags. I haven't kissed enough ass to get your seats) And I don't have a problem with paying more for tickets, fuck I pay more for everything every year. But I get disheartened about our future...with the hoops that are in place for our present and future coaches...we will never be anything but middle of the pack. I wouldn't necessarily mind that if we were a shitty program with no history of greatness...but we aren't that. And it's the hope that is killing me. the hope that rises every year only to be crushed by mid season(if not earlier) more often than not. And why? Because we won't let a coach do what he needs to do to win. I don't know what that is, I don't pretend to know because I'm not a fucking coach. But I know when I hire someone to do something...I get someone that knows how to do said job, I tell him what I want done, and i leave him to HIS business. Then I can pat myself on the back for the end result and for hiring such a competent bastard. End of Story.
How is this so hard for Auburn?
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I'll be there, I always am (not with you, Snags. I haven't kissed enough ass to get your seats) And I don't have a problem with paying more for tickets, fuck I pay more for everything every year. But I get disheartened about our future...with the hoops that are in place for our present and future coaches...we will never be anything but middle of the pack. I wouldn't necessarily mind that if we were a shitty program with no history of greatness...but we aren't that. And it's the hope that is killing me. the hope that rises every year only to be crushed by mid season(if not earlier) more often than not. And why? Because we won't let a coach do what he needs to do to win. I don't know what that is, I don't pretend to know because I'm not a fucking coach. But I know when I hire someone to do something...I get someone that knows how to do said job, I tell him what I want done, and i leave him to HIS business. Then I can pat myself on the back for the end result and for hiring such a competent bastard. End of Story.
How is this so hard for Auburn?
Oh, I can definitely kiss some ass. Not above it at all.
As far as hopes and expectations go, I think you just gotta' settle in and enjoy the rollercoaster that is Auburn football. Always has been and probably always will be. But there's another obvious factor that we take for granted and that's just where we are...the SEC West. Unless you take the cheating to the level of the unwashed, the best you can realistically hope for is random 2010 and 2013. Ole Miss is trying to play the game and they're about to get bitch slapped for daring to compete. As K said earlier, it's just not a level playing field and that's not going to change until Emmert's boy retires.
I'm curious about the last few statements. I'm in no way defending Jacobs' schmarmy, egotistical ass. But is he interfering in some way with Malzahn doing his job? Axing because I don't know. I'll hang up and lissen'.
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I wonder if it isn't the misguided attempts at trying to keep it a family affair that aren't fucking us up. They need approval and some say in coaching decisions...and will only take on coaches that agree to that. They don't allow anyone to take total control of the program so as to not corrupt the Auburn way.....and if we lose a few games along the way at least we haven't lost our integrity and we are still Auburn.
It's bullshit.
You just can't just disappear for song long and no have an explanation young lady. Well....I mean, I guess you can but let my just say its playing on my emotions.
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I don't know that Jacob's himself is putting his finger in the pie...but we have been poised to hire MUCH bigger talent that Gus...and lost out because the BOD wants a final say so in coaching decisions. Who would sign up for that if they didnt have to? No one who is in possession of the coaching talent and credentials needed to be a serious contender in the SEC West. But it seems to be more important to them to have a yes man than to have a winner.
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I'll be there, I always am (not with you, Snags. I haven't kissed enough ass to get your seats) And I don't have a problem with paying more for tickets, fuck I pay more for everything every year. But I get disheartened about our future...with the hoops that are in place for our present and future coaches...we will never be anything but middle of the pack. I wouldn't necessarily mind that if we were a shitty program with no history of greatness...but we aren't that. And it's the hope that is killing me. the hope that rises every year only to be crushed by mid season(if not earlier) more often than not. And why? Because we won't let a coach do what he needs to do to win. I don't know what that is, I don't pretend to know because I'm not a fucking coach. But I know when I hire someone to do something...I get someone that knows how to do said job, I tell him what I want done, and i leave him to HIS business. Then I can pat myself on the back for the end result and for hiring such a competent bastard. End of Story.
How is this so hard for Auburn?
I knew you missed me!
“If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it is yours forever, assuming there isn't a restraining order."
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That restraining order is good for two years. It hasn't been that long.
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If Pat Dye will quit his meddling, we could be somebody.
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If Pat Dye will quit his meddling, we could be somebody.
This.
Our coaching candidates when we hired Gus, according to the media, were Bobby Petrino, Kirby Smart, Gary Patterson and Malzahn. Gus was hired after he was interviewed and recommended by a search committee consisting of Mac Crawford, Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan and Jay Jacobs. Gus was my 3rd choice on that list with Gary Patterson being at the top. I don't know if he was ever a serious candidate or not. He's been a hot commodity for quite a while but seems entrenched at TCU.
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So, we've already started the coaching search?
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I'll be there, I always am (not with you, Snags. I haven't kissed enough ass to get your seats) And I don't have a problem with paying more for tickets, fudge I pay more for everything every year. But I get disheartened about our future...with the hoops that are in place for our present and future coaches...we will never be anything but middle of the pack. I wouldn't necessarily mind that if we were a shootty program with no history of greatness...but we aren't that. And it's the hope that is killing me. the hope that rises every year only to be crushed by mid season(if not earlier) more often than not. And why? Because we won't let a coach do what he needs to do to win. I don't know what that is, I don't pretend to know because I'm not a fudgeing coach. But I know when I hire someone to do something...I get someone that knows how to do said job, I tell him what I want done, and i leave him to HIS business. Then I can pat myself on the back for the end result and for hiring such a competent bastard. End of Story.
How is this so hard for Auburn?
I'm glad you came back. :cheers: It's been a bit of a sausage fest around here.
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So, we've already started the coaching search?
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Jacobs has already created a committee to start the search consisting of Pell City Tiger, Jumbo and the 'ol Buzzer. We should have the new coach named by halftime of the Clemson game.
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I'm glad you came back. :cheers: It's been a bit of a sausage fest around here.
Thanks, doll. I've missed y'all too.
And Buzz if y'all could have a quarterback named by halftime of the Clemson game I would appreciate it. 😘
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And Buzz if y'all could have a quarterback named by halftime of the Clemson game I would appreciate it. 😘
For you, no problem. Look for Killington on the back of the jersey.
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.
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I'll be there, I always am (not with you, Snags. I haven't kissed enough ass to get your seats) And I don't have a problem with paying more for tickets, fuck I pay more for everything every year. But I get disheartened about our future...with the hoops that are in place for our present and future coaches...we will never be anything but middle of the pack. I wouldn't necessarily mind that if we were a shitty program with no history of greatness...but we aren't that. And it's the hope that is killing me. the hope that rises every year only to be crushed by mid season(if not earlier) more often than not. And why? Because we won't let a coach do what he needs to do to win. I don't know what that is, I don't pretend to know because I'm not a fucking coach. But I know when I hire someone to do something...I get someone that knows how to do said job, I tell him what I want done, and i leave him to HIS business. Then I can pat myself on the back for the end result and for hiring such a competent bastard. End of Story.
How is this so hard for Auburn?
Look around you, Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell.
We are Alabama of the 90s right now. Think about that.
Jacobs keeps looking for "Auburn Men" and we get DuBose. And Shula.
DuBose and Shula both won the SEC (I think) because they were at a school that's going to do that on occasion. So are we since Dye came back and bulldozed some things.
When Dye came to Auburn he took charge of the whole thing. He got the boosters in line, he put our brand first, he built the program the way he wanted it and he was in control of it all. Sound familiar? Saban just cheats better. So they've won three or four NCs. If the rules were the same then as they are now? Playoffs and BCS and that stuff? Dye would have three or four himself.
Gus isn't the kind of guy to grab the program by the throat and make it in his image. Neither was Chizik. Tuberville (the younger version) would have been but 2003 de-nutted him and then Jacobs' perpetual fuckery drove him out. I like Gus and think he makes a great OC. But he doesn't have the experience or the gravitas to be the only kind of coach who can succeed on the big scale at Auburn.
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Look around you, Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell.
We are Alabama of the 90s right now. Think about that.
Jacobs keeps looking for "Auburn Men" and we get DuBose. And Shula.
DuBose and Shula both won the SEC (I think) because they were at a school that's going to do that on occasion. So are we since Dye came back and bulldozed some things.
When Dye came to Auburn he took charge of the whole thing. He got the boosters in line, he put our brand first, he built the program the way he wanted it and he was in control of it all. Sound familiar? Saban just cheats better. So they've won three or four NCs. If the rules were the same then as they are now? Playoffs and BCS and that stuff? Dye would have three or four himself.
Gus isn't the kind of guy to grab the program by the throat and make it in his image. Neither was Chizik. Tuberville (the younger version) would have been but 2003 de-nutted him and then Jacobs' perpetual fuckery drove him out. I like Gus and think he makes a great OC. But he doesn't have the experience or the gravitas to be the only kind of coach who can succeed on the big scale at Auburn.
Yes. This is what I'm screaming.
But ain't nobody listenin.
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Once again, Auburn is its own worst enemy.
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Fuck sake, people. We don't play our first game for a month and already our program is headed straight in the shitter. Where is all this gloom and doom coming from?
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Fuck sake, people. We don't play our first game for a month and already our program is headed straight in the shitter. Where is all this gloom and doom coming from?
The douche bag in charge of the Athletic Dept.
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The douche bag in charge of the Athletic Dept.
What did he do?
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Fuck sake, people. We don't play our first game for a month and already our program is headed straight in the shitter. Where is all this gloom and doom coming from?
This.
Our coaching candidates when we hired Gus, according to the media, were Bobby Petrino, Kirby Smart, Gary Patterson and Malzahn. Gus was hired after he was interviewed and recommended by a search committee consisting of Mac Crawford, Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan and Jay Jacobs. Gus was my 3rd choice on that list with Gary Patterson being at the top. I don't know if he was ever a serious candidate or not. He's been a hot commodity for quite a while but seems entrenched at TCU.
Can't we at least wait until halftime of Clemson before we start wanting to go after Patterson? And you are asking where all of the doom and gloom is coming from?
And Kaos has apparently written the season off.
Geez Louise people. All we are missing is evidence of a QB. We don't know much about that but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
Gus kicks a shittay attituder off the team and this place thinks this one guy was going to get us to the playoffs? We win the Clemson game (which is possible, btw) and who knows what could happen. We will know we are for real. We even keep it close, then we'll know that we are for real. That's the good thing about this season. We should find out early about the possibilities.
What happened to the x that I used to know?
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So, we've already started the coaching search?
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That's right...and given time we gonna land a damn good'un.
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Can't we at least wait until halftime of Clemson before we start wanting to go after Patterson? And you are asking where all of the doom and gloom is coming from?
And Kaos has apparently written the season off.
Geez Louise people. All we are missing is evidence of a QB. We don't know much about that but I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
Gus kicks a shittay attituder off the team and this place thinks this one guy was going to get us to the playoffs? We win the Clemson game (which is possible, btw) and who knows what could happen. We will know we are for real. We even keep it close, then we'll know that we are for real. That's the good thing about this season. We should find out early about the possibilities.
What happened to the x that I used to know?
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I trust this was sarcasm. Otherwise you ain't too bright, son.
Nice..I say, nice boy. But about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.
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Look here we've been over this time and again.
Coach Dye leveled the playing field as HC/AD doing everything he knew from his time with the old man (and then some) to make it happen. The AD part was key because Shug never had that advantage and it was the key component for most successful HC's in that day and time re: money and resources.
The hiring of Malzahn was perfect. His style was ideal as an alternative to that of the Gumps and our other main competition, which provided a recruiting niche in the way of speciality. This system was key to our most recent NC and the other near miss.
What burns me is that he isn't or seems to have abandoned the driven/attention to detail cred he immediately brought with him.
And to make things worse Jughead keeps giving raises. Granted that's what AD's do when they go lock, stock and barrel with a guy but where then is the incentive when you just reward for the sake of rewarding?
So IMO what I see is a HC that started slipping after attaining success and then shit the bed when it came time to consistently reload and delegate responsibilities (namely play calling).
And he's lost his touch and has become predictable.
Doesn't mean he can't find his way again but I don't think he has it in him to make the hard choices when it comes to staff. We always needed more defense which he plugged short term but we never made a "committed" hire, just chose an able experienced coach and recruiter which is what Gus has become since he started sharing the O.C./play calling role.
He gets a pass as a Head Coach having to learn on the fly but NOT as a struggling coordinator.
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Jacobs has already created a committee to start the search consisting of Pell City Tiger, Jumbo and the 'ol Buzzer. We should have the new coach named by halftime of the Clemson game.
Will Jumbo show up for the interviews? I've got 3 people so far waiting to hear back.
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Furthermore we are in a climate that tells somebody how "great" they are without having proven it on a consistent basis. We start believing it after hearing it ad nauseam and respond by heaping praise on them ourselves. Jughead probably thinks he is the straw that stirs the drink but he is out of options with the buyout, especially since he keeps upping the ante.
My guess is that the PTB would retain J.J. regardless of the fortunes of our football program which IMO is a mistake and a discussion for another day.
So being an Auburn fan doesn't mean I have to buy-in to bad decision making. Success should be noticed and rewarded accordingly. Failure should be criticized as well.
We have what we have.
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Fuck sake, people. We don't play our first game for a month and already our program is headed straight in the shitter. Where is all this gloom and doom coming from?
Agreed. Fuck that noise. Outside the gumps across the state, who was the last team to win a SECC? Who was the last SEC team to play for the NC? Hell, who was the last SEC team to win a NC? All which happened while riding mother fucking Gus Bus. That War Eagle is like a phoenix. We may crash and burn and even smolder in the ashes for a couple years. Yet we also rise up and set the cfb world on fire like no other. Bout time for that old bird to rise up again.
All clichés aside, I really believe we are gonna field the best Auburn D since the Tuberville era. If Gus puts points on the board like he can, then I really believe we are gonna shock the hell out of some folks. Given the fact he owns the Auburn record book and has had offenses that were almost unstoppable in his brief tenure as OC and HC, I believe he's gonna get it done
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Fuck sake, people. We don't play our first game for a month and already our program is headed straight in the shitter. Where is all this gloom and doom coming from?
2015. 2008. 2012.
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Sitting. Waiting. Watching.
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No gloom and doom here. We have the makings for a very good defense. We have Legatron. The offensive line looks to be stronger than ever. Just waiting to see if we can convert when it's our turn.
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Some of you need to make up your mind. Are we going to suck or not? Is the Miss Robinson's boy departure the end of AU foosball as we know it?
Is Gus going to be calling plays for Sprindale HS next year?
Some of you bitches want to have your cake and eat it too. I won't let this happen. You act like a bunch of Bernie Sanders supporters.
Make the call and stick with it. Either get on the Gus bus or hobo your own way.
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I'm on the bus til it either reaches its destination or breaks down. Come on September 3rd.
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damn folks. i'm not worried until the softball team starts to tank.
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Why must loyalty be blind?
I love Auburn. Not a man, but the totality of what we are. I'm loyal to the ideal. Well I love bo Jackson. And cam. But I digress
Why must that mean I have to willingly accept whatever decisions are made by the AD or the coaches or the players? I don't want to be a mindless drone worshiping at the altar like those inbred clowns across the state.
I see no need to get on the bus. Or off it.
I enjoyed the hell out of 2010. I saw faults but chose to ignore them because it was fun. I was not sold on Chizik still. After I read his book I had grave misgivings about his ability to sustain long term. And I was right.
I think Jacobs hamstrung Tuberville and crashed his career by being a meddling ass until Tuberville basically just said fuck it. He made a really bad hire in Cbizik and ran screaming from it when the wheels fell off. Jacobs should have been gone then too. His hire of Malzahn is mediocre at best. He would have been a much better choice after five years or so learning the job at a smaller school. He just isn't ready. He might learn and become a great coach one dsy but he's struggling right now. If you don't understand that after watching his press conferences last year and this? You're not looking hard enough. Yes 2013 was good because all he had to do was run the offense. No time to do anything else. Once he had to start running the program? It changed. Something happened in Starkville in 2014 that fractured the team. Failing to convert against A&M destroyed it. I honestly think it was and remained a different standard of treatment for certain players. It's hard not to. And now he probably overreacted trying to change the narrative.
Seeing and thinking these things doesn't make me like auburn less or wish failure on anyone or even want to be right.
I will defend AU against gunps, hogs, dogs, Bengals, gators, cats, racist bears, chickens or any other foe. But I'm also allowed to wonder about things.
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Why must loyalty be blind?
I love Auburn. Not a man, but the totality of what we are. I'm loyal to the ideal. Well I love bo Jackson. And cam. But I digress
Why must that mean I have to willingly accept whatever decisions are made by the AD or the coaches or the players? I don't want to be a mindless drone worshiping at the altar like those inbred clowns across the state.
I see no need to get on the bus. Or off it.
I enjoyed the hell out of 2010. I saw faults but chose to ignore them because it was fun. I was not sold on Chizik still. After I read his book I had grave misgivings about his ability to sustain long term. And I was right.
I think Jacobs hamstrung Tuberville and crashed his career by being a meddling ass until Tuberville basically just said fuck it. He made a really bad hire in Cbizik and ran screaming from it when the wheels fell off. Jacobs should have been gone then too. His hire of Malzahn is mediocre at best. He would have been a much better choice after five years or so learning the job at a smaller school. He just isn't ready. He might learn and become a great coach one dsy but he's struggling right now. If you don't understand that after watching his press conferences last year and this? You're not looking hard enough. Yes 2013 was good because all he had to do was run the offense. No time to do anything else. Once he had to start running the program? It changed. Something happened in Starkville in 2014 that fractured the team. Failing to convert against A&M destroyed it. I honestly think it was and remained a different standard of treatment for certain players. It's hard not to. And now he probably overreacted trying to change the narrative.
Seeing and thinking these things doesn't make me like auburn less or wish failure on anyone or even want to be right.
I will defend AU against gunps, hogs, dogs, Bengals, gators, cats, racist bears, chickens or any other foe. But I'm also allowed to wonder about things.
^^^^heretic.
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A couple of counter points. Jacobs didn't have anything to do with Tuberville's demise. Family and health issues along with him shutting it down with recruiting efforts his last 2-3 years brought his tenure at AU to an end.
Second, I've heard more times than I can count that Jacobs shoved Malzahn down our throat. It was his choice. His hire. No, it was Jacobs, Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan and Mac Crawford that made the recommendation to hire Gus Malzahn. Whether it turns out they were right or wrong, it was a team of Auburn men, two of which are Auburn legends, that made the decision to name Malzahn as our head coach.
Look, I understand the questioning of Malzahn as our future, given what's happened the last season and a half. There's not an Auburn soul that thinks it's a good thing to end 2014 the way we did and follow that with a 7-6 campaign. But all this analysis is not exactly breaking new ground or providing any new insight. Gus Malzahn has been on the proverbial "hot seat" according to every expert, analyst and preseason mag in the country since midway through last season. Why? Because you're judged by one thing in this business, wins and losses.
Malzahn tried to step back and give boy wonder a shot last year. That and personnel issues resulted in epic fail. He's on the hot seat because of it. Rightfully so. He's the man at the top. He's taking over the offense again 100%. Like I said above, if it works and we win 9, 10 or 11 games...great. If not, he'll most likely be looking for work elsewhere.
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https://youtu.be/HG9_v4U4eLc
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A couple of counter points. Jacobs didn't have anything to do with Tuberville's demise. Family and health issues along with him shutting it down with recruiting efforts his last 2-3 years brought his tenure at AU to an end.
Second, I've heard more times than I can count that Jacobs shoved Malzahn down our throat. It was his choice. His hire. No, it was Jacobs, Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan and Mac Crawford that made the recommendation to hire Gus Malzahn. Whether it turns out they were right or wrong, it was a team of Auburn men, two of which are Auburn legends, that made the decision to name Malzahn as our head coach.
Look, I understand the questioning of Malzahn as our future, given what's happened the last season and a half. There's not an Auburn soul that thinks it's a good thing to end 2014 the way we did and follow that with a 7-6 campaign. But all this analysis is not exactly breaking new ground or providing any new insight. Gus Malzahn has been on the proverbial "hot seat" according to every expert, analyst and preseason mag in the country since midway through last season. Why? Because you're judged by one thing in this business, wins and losses.
Malzahn tried to step back and give boy wonder a shot last year. That and personnel issues resulted in epic fail. He's on the hot seat because of it. Rightfully so. He's the man at the top. He's taking over the offense again 100%. Like I said above, if it works and we win 9, 10 or 11 games...great. If not, he'll most likely be looking for work elsewhere.
I hear ya. But giving boy wonder his shot doesn't mean that it's over just because it's mentioned. Play calling will be at the forefront because we no longer have the comfort of handing it off safely for three or four yards to set up the next play. So IMO we will need to become even more creative, something which has waned in the recent past or since the advent of said b.w.
No panic, just an observation. Interested in the after-contact burst from Pettway as well as the utilization of other positions that could help strike fear into our opponents.
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A couple of counter points. Jacobs didn't have anything to do with Tuberville's demise. Family and health issues along with him shutting it down with recruiting efforts his last 2-3 years brought his tenure at AU to an end.
Could not disagree more. Jacobs -- whether of his own accord or at the behest of the people pulling his strings -- sabotaged the whole thing. Think about how he throws raises at coaches who don't deserve them. Didn't he just toss more a year at Malzahn as a raise than most of you make in a year? Then try to remember how he treated Tuberville from about 2005 on. Wouldn't back him, brawled with assistant coaches, on and on. Just waiting for Tuberville to have an off year so he could bring out the knives.
For a long time, Tuberville felt like he was on his own, operating without any support from the administration and looking over his shoulder the entire time. Nobody can function like that.
Was he the best coach? Maybe, maybe not. But his job was made exponentially more difficult by Pontius Jacobs.
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https://youtu.be/HG9_v4U4eLc
Allow me to be the curmudgeon. I didn't like that at all.
Too much Alabama. Too much "miracle"
Just didn't like it.
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^^^^heretic.
I'm too tired to dig up the number of shit pies K has thrown at me for "questioning things" in the past.
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I'm too tired to dig up the number of shit pies K has thrown at me for "questioning things" in the past.
To be fair, when you've had your heart ripped out as many times as Auburn fans have in the post Shug Jordan era, you tend to get nervous and see what you think are trends. Especially crusty and decrepit , old spice wearing farts like Kaos, jmar and snags. When they walked to school, it was uphill both ways.
I'm not saying any for sures re: this year or Gus' future. It's waaaaaay too soon to tell. And we desperately need a qb.
But I am saying there is no need to yell fire, yet. We have recruited at the highest level in AU football history despite all of the bad stuff.
I do think this is a put up or shut up year. Meaning, we need to be more competitive than last and have more wins.
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I'm too tired to dig up the number of shit pies K has thrown at me for "questioning things" in the past.
You live in an alternate reality. I've never been one who blindly accepted whatever came out.
I'll throw shit when all you're doing is being a negative bitch. But that's different.
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To be fair, when you've had your heart ripped out as many times as Auburn fans have in the post Shug Jordan era, you tend to get nervous and see what you think are trends. Especially crusty and decrepit , old spice wearing farts like Kaos, jmar and snags. When they walked to school, it was uphill both ways.
I'm not saying any for sures re: this year or Gus' future. It's waaaaaay too soon to tell. And we desperately need a qb.
But I am saying there is no need to yell fire, yet. We have recruited at the highest level in AU football history despite all of the bad stuff.
I do think this is a put up or shut up year. Meaning, we need to be more competitive than last and have more wins.
For your information I wear Clubman products and my Daddy used to send me back outside to do battle with the kid three years older that was making my playtime a living hell. Didn't win many of those but eventually the bully would get themselves in a tight where they couldn't move (which was what I was waiting for) where I might take a 2x to 'em. That's how it's done!
I'm not nervous because it's always time to put up or shut up in this league. No excuses for this team or staff. We just might have to stop being so headstrong and get imaginative again. Now where's that tackle that can run and catch a little bit?
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Allow me to be the curmudgeon. I didn't like that at all.
Too much Alabama. Too much "miracle"
Just didn't like it.
^^I agree with the curmudgeon.
It almost conveys the idea that if we beat Clemson, it will be a miracle. Not so. We just have to not beat ourselves and play defense like we did against Bama for most of the game last year.
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^^I agree with the curmudgeon.
It almost conveys the idea that if we beat Clemson, it will be a miracle. Not so. We just have to not beat ourselves and play defense like we did against Bama for most of the game last year.
Play to win!
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^^I agree with the curmudgeon.
It almost conveys the idea that if we beat Clemson, it will be a miracle. Not so. We just have to not beat ourselves and play defense like we did against Bama for most of the game last year.
Bite me. That's not what the video was about. Still...we're 127 point underdogs to the team that played for the MNC with the baddest man on the planet at the helm. We were 7-6 last season and currently picked last or next to last in our division and an after thought in the minds of the college football world.
That's all we have to do? Not beat ourselves and play the same defense where we gave up 5,000 yards to one RB?
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Bite me. That's not what the video was about. Still...we're 127 point underdogs to the team that played for the MNC with the baddest man on the planet at the helm. We were 7-6 last season and currently picked last or next to last in our division and an after thought in the minds of the college football world.
That's all we have to do? Not beat ourselves and play the same defense where we gave up 5,000 yards to one RB?
Bitch, sometimes you act like you forget that I know karate.
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Bitch, sometimes you act like you forget that I know karate.
What other Japanese words do you know?
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Bite me. That's not what the video was about. Still...we're 127 point underdogs to the team that played for the MNC with the baddest man on the planet at the helm. We were 7-6 last season and currently picked last or next to last in our division and an after thought in the minds of the college football world.
That's all we have to do? Not beat ourselves and play the same defense where we gave up 5,000 yards to one RB?
If we can cut that down to 4,925 yards, we win going away.
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Bitch, sometimes you act like you forget that I know karate.
4 pages and no stupid movie quote hijack? I'll help out, He's a karate man! and a karate man bruises on the inside! But you don't know that cause you're a big Barry White looking mother fucker!!
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For a long time, Tuberville felt like he was on his own, operating without any support from the administration and looking over his shoulder the entire time. Nobody can function like that.
But his job was made exponentially more difficult by Pontius Jacobs.
Don't completely disagree but he has David Housel to help thank for that shit.
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4 pages and no stupid movie quote hijack? I'll help out, He's a karate man! and a karate man bruises on the inside! But you don't know that cause you're a big Barry White looking mother fucker!!
I considered throwing in a Roll Tide after the 2nd page with no derailment.
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I considered throwing in a Roll Tide after the 2nd page with no derailment.
Blue lives don't matter anymore.
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Gambling is illegal at Bushwood.
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old spice wearing farts like Kaos, jmar and snags. When they walked to school, it was uphill both ways.
Whew. Thank God!
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Whew. Thank God!
We all know you wore old spice too, but nobody could smell it through the hood.
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We all know you wore old spice too, but nobody could smell it through the hood.
You know, you probably going to hell for that!
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Hell I still wear it....The Old Spice....not the hood.
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Second, I've heard more times than I can count that Jacobs shoved Malzahn down our throat. It was his choice. His hire. No, it was Jacobs, Bo Jackson, Pat Sullivan and Mac Crawford that made the recommendation to hire Gus Malzahn. Whether it turns out they were right or wrong, it was a team of Auburn men, two of which are Auburn legends, that made the decision to name Malzahn as our head coach.
You actually believe this? I don't. In fact Bo's daughter went to twitter during the whole thing and said her dad had no decision in who the next coach was going to be.
Look I don't want Gus to fail. One of the worst things a program can do is continue to go through head coaches. It creates severe instability within the program. Ask UT.
I just hope he figures it out sooner rather than later.
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You actually believe this? I don't. In fact Bo's daughter went to twitter during the whole thing and said her dad had no decision in who the next coach was going to be.
Look I don't want Gus to fail. One of the worst things a program can do is continue to go through head coaches. It creates severe instability within the program. Ask UT.
I just hope he figures it out sooner rather than later.
Yeah I do. It may not be the case, but until Bo Jackson or Pat Sullivan or Mac Crawford come out and say the whole thing was a sham, I believe they at least had some input or gave their blessing to Malzahn's hire. It may come out later that Jacobs went rogue and totally against any recommendations they made, but I doubt that's the case, or one of those guys would have spoken up.
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Yeah I do. It may not be the case, but until Bo Jackson or Pat Sullivan or Mac Crawford come out and say the whole thing was a sham, I believe they at least had some input or gave their blessing to Malzahn's hire. It may come out later that Jacobs went rogue and totally against any recommendations they made, but I doubt that's the case, or one of those guys would have spoken up.
I don't think he went rogue at all. I think he knows his ass is on the line with this hire, and he wanted it "blessed" by two of the three holy trinity of Auburn football, so if it does go south, he can say, "well, Sully and Bo said it was ok, and it didnt turn out ok, please don't fire my ass."
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I don't think he went rogue at all. I think he knows his ass is on the line with this hire, and he wanted it "blessed" by two of the three holy trinity of Auburn football, so if it does go south, he can say, "well, Sully and Bo said it was ok, and it didnt turn out ok, please don't fire my ass."
^^^^ Fuckin this. ^^^^^^^
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^^^^ Fuckin this. ^^^^^^^
Maybe that was his motivation, but that still means 3 other Auburn men were involved in giving that blessing.
Is it not also possible that the search committee was mandated by those higher than Jacobs, thereby making the statement that we're not giving him the chance to fuck it up again all by himself?
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Maybe that was his motivation, but that still means 3 other Auburn men were involved in giving that blessing.
Is it not also possible that the search committee was mandated by those higher than Jacobs, thereby making the statement that we're not giving him the chance to fuck it up again all by himself?
I don't buy it at all.
And I know that Housel wasn't the reason Tuberville felt like he was hung out to dry in the years after Housel was out. Jacobs had a chance to unify the family, instead he went Frosty the Snowman in regard to Tuberville.
I loathe Jay Jacobs. He makes me physically ill. I'd probably vote for Hillary over him.
I don't buy that he got any input from Bo or Sullivan or Cam. He may have said "this is who we are hiring" and asked them not to react negatively. I've not once seen anyone but Jacobs say in public that they were either involved in or gave their approval to this hire.
Like GF, I would prefer that he not fail. I hope he gets his shit together. But I'm truly afraid that the learning curve is going to wash him out before we get to find out. He's making some predictable (and yet pretty damaging) mistakes in management.
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I don't buy it at all.
And I know that Housel wasn't the reason Tuberville felt like he was hung out to dry in the years after Housel was out. Jacobs had a chance to unify the family, instead he went Frosty the Snowman in regard to Tuberville.
I loathe Jay Jacobs. He makes me physically ill. I'd probably vote for Hillary over him.
I don't buy that he got any input from Bo or Sullivan or Cam. He may have said "this is who we are hiring" and asked them not to react negatively. I've not once seen anyone but Jacobs say in public that they were either involved in or gave their approval to this hire.
Like GF, I would prefer that he not fail. I hope he gets his shit together. But I'm truly afraid that the learning curve is going to wash him out before we get to find out. He's making some predictable (and yet pretty damaging) mistakes in management.
I don't know who you are anymore. :sad:
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Jacobs got us that big, shiny new scoreboard. Think of the wall he'd build.
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Jacobs got us that big, shiny new scoreboard. Think of the wall he'd build.
I'll build a wall around Tuscaloosa and make Saban pay for it.
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I'll build a wall around Tuscaloosa and make Saban pay for it.
You had me at build
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Gus got this.
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Jacobs had a chance to unify the family, instead he went Frosty the Snowman in regard to Tuberville.
Agree whole heartedly with this.