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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on August 24, 2012, 08:06:26 AM
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I always scoffed at those who marveled at Lance "I Can Ride A Bike" Armstrong and tried to claim he was the best athlete in the history of the universe.
We've seen the best ever in Jordan Hare Stadium and they didn't get there by pedaling like a ten-year old (although one did ride a scooter).
Now that Armstrong has essentially admitted that his entire history is a chemical fantasy, can we take that "best athlete ever" flag away forever? Can we not ever have to hear that again?
Because really? Cam would stomp him into a mudhole and has more athletic ability in his left fingernail than dope boy has in his entire yellow body. Bo would break him like an offending baseball bat. Just snap his chemically enhanced frame over a thigh.
Fuck Lance Armstrong. I win.
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I always scoffed at those who marveled at Lance "I Can Ride A Bike" Armstrong and tried to claim he was the best athlete in the history of the universe.
We've seen the best ever in Jordan Hare Stadium and they didn't get there by pedaling like a ten-year old (although one did ride a scooter).
Now that Armstrong has essentially admitted that his entire history is a chemical fantasy, can we take that "best athlete ever" flag away forever? Can we not ever have to hear that again?
Because really? Cam would stomp him into a mudhole and has more athletic ability in his left fingernail than dope boy has in his entire yellow body. Bo would break him like an offending baseball bat. Just snap his chemically enhanced frame over a thigh.
Fuck Lance Armstrong. I win.
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I thought this was a thread about Paul Bryant.
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I thought this was a thread about Paul Bryant.
Paul Bryant doped to get all those wins? That bastard.
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Was there any proof that Armstrong cheated? Honest question because I don't really know and I didn't
really follow the situation. I did however follow the Cam Newton/Auburn investigation and both have been
labeled as guilty without any proof.
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Was there any proof that Armstrong cheated? Honest question because I don't really know and I didn't
really follow the situation. I did however follow the Cam Newton/Auburn investigation and both have been
labeled as guilty without any proof.
No, he "essentially admitted guilt" by announcing that he "is finished fighting a barrage of drug charges from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency".
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120823/sports/708239536/
Armstrong clearly knew his legacy would be blemished by his decision. He said he has grown tired of defending himself in a seemingly never-ending fight against charges that he doped while piling up more Tour victories than anyone ever. He has consistently pointed to the hundreds of drug tests that he passed as proof of his innocence during his extraordinary run of Tour titles from 1999 to 2005.
"There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, 'Enough is enough.' For me, that time is now," Armstrong said Thursday night, hours before the deadline to enter arbitration. He called the USADA investigation an "unconstitutional witch hunt."
"I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999," he said. "The toll this has taken on my family and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today — finished with this nonsense."
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I see nothing in there that says he admitted to doping.
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I see nothing in there that says he admitted to doping.
OJ didn't do it either. Barry Bond's head grew three sizes that day because he heard the Whos sing in Whoville. Mark McGwire had Popeye arms because he ate his spinach.
Pfft. Pffffft. Pfffffft.
They're not going to yank all his titles and ban him for life if there was doubt. He's not fighting because he knows he can't win.
He's taking the pussy way out. He gets to pretend like it never happened by accepting the punishment and waving the "I'm tired of this game" flag. That way he doesn't have to deal with the reality and have everybody know for sure that he's a fucking fake ass fraud cheater.
No lo contendre. "You got me, but I didn't do it."
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All I am saying is that after the whole Cam Newton deal, I take a slightly different approach to this kind of shit. Especially when someone has done everything that sports governing body has asked him to do but yet they still pursue him like relentless rabid dogs. What I see is a bunch of French butt buddies that are extremely pissed that some American dominated them for so long. They took it to a point of no return in pushing this issue holding the credibility of that sport as a banner. They obviously felt that they could eventually wear him down to make him give up. So essentially Armstrong said fuck it, this ugly ass neon yellow Speedo shirt isn't worth it anymore. That doesn't mean he doped, that just means he tired of the bullshit.
Does it mean Auburn or Cam Newton were/are guilty because they were silent for the most part during the investigation and still to this day? Not for me or other Auburn fans but by god is does for everybody else.
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All I am saying is that after the whole Cam Newton deal, I take a slightly different approach to this kind of shit. Especially when someone has done everything that sports governing body has asked him to do but yet they still pursue him like relentless rabid dogs. What I see is a bunch of French butt buddies that are extremely pissed that some American dominated them for so long. They took it to a point of no return in pushing this issue holding the credibility of that sport as a banner. They obviously felt that they could eventually wear him down to make him give up. So essentially Armstrong said fuck it, this ugly ass neon yellow Speedo shirt isn't worth it anymore. That doesn't mean he doped, that just means he tired of the bullshit.
Does it mean Auburn or Cam Newton were/are guilty because they were silent for the most part during the investigation and still to this day? Not for me or other Auburn fans but by god is does for everybody else.
There's no correlation whatsoever.
If the NCAA said "hey, we're going to ban AJ McTattoo for life for snorting coke and killing hookers and give Bama the death penalty for eternity and take away all 14 BS titles because they provided him lines" and AJ said "well that's cool" and Mal Moore said "Yeah, we're just tired of hearing about it so come clean out the trophy case, but we didn't do anything...."
You know what they did.
Not the same thing AT ALL. Not even close. They have evidence, Mr. Ten Speed knows they're going to nail him to the cross so he says "Well, you caught me. But I didn't do it."
I had a friend like that once. Video evidence of him with another woman. Sent to his wife by his mistress. His wife showed it to him. He says "that's not me." It was clearly him. But through the entire divorce, he said the same thing. Nope. Wasn't me.
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All I am saying is that after the whole Cam Newton deal, I take a slightly different approach to this kind of shit. Especially when someone has done everything that sports governing body has asked him to do but yet they still pursue him like relentless rabid dogs. What I see is a bunch of French butt buddies that are extremely pissed that some American dominated them for so long. They took it to a point of no return in pushing this issue holding the credibility of that sport as a banner. They obviously felt that they could eventually wear him down to make him give up. So essentially Armstrong said fuck it, this ugly ass neon yellow Speedo shirt isn't worth it anymore. That doesn't mean he doped, that just means he tired of the bullshit.
Does it mean Auburn or Cam Newton were/are guilty because they were silent for the most part during the investigation and still to this day? Not for me or other Auburn fans but by god is does for everybody else.
^ Gets it.
I'm not saying I know for 100% fact that he did nothing wrong, but it sure seems like he was bullied into this after relentless unreasonable pressure that, up until now, he had complied with, and passed screening asked of him for years and years and years. He's finally fed up with the bureaucracy.
It's really pretty amazing to me that Kaos is such a "lynch 'em now, facts be damned" kind of guy despite seeing nearly first-hand how the Cam shit went down.
Look, I don't have any Armstrong posters in my room. I could give a fuck. In fact, those Livestrong bracelets used to annoy the shit out of me.
But I'm sick of this society we've built where there's this rabid desire, nay need, to tear great people down. To destroy someone's legacy. To illegitimize them. Do you think there were people scrambling to out Babe Ruth's mistresses a'la Tiger Woods to taint his image? It makes us feel better that for that one moment, it's probably not that great to be Lance Armstrong. And we bask in it. We're a TMZ society.
If the Cam Newton's on the other foot, so to speak, everyone who can't claim them as their own hates them and wants to destroy them. It's the bammer mentality. You're not cheering for your guy in the NASCAR race, you're cheering for the guy you don't like to hit the wall and incinerate in a fiery crash.
Society, please, let's stop this.
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He says "that's not me." It was clearly him. But through the entire divorce, he said the same thing. Nope. Wasn't me.
The ol' Eddie Murphy Raw defense
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Not the same thing AT ALL. Not even close. They have evidence, Mr. Ten Speed knows they're going to nail him to the cross so he says "Well, you caught me. But I didn't do it."
What evidence, they have none. The only thing they have is Armstrong unwilling to fight this anymore. He has been passing every drug test they throw at him along with any other bullshit.
Anyway, I've already spent too much of my time defending a sport full of men who look malnourished and like to spend hours sitting on a dildo.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/24/us-cycling-armstrong-doping-idUSBRE87N03N20120824
He maintained that emphatic denial in the statement issued on Thursday, stressing that there was no physical evidence to support what he called Tygart's "outlandish and heinous claims".
Armstrong, who never failed a doping test, said he would "jump at the chance" to put the allegations to rest once and for all, but refused to participate in the USADA process, which he called "one-sided and unfair".
"Today I will turn the page," Armstrong said. "I will no longer address this issue regardless of the circumstances."
He disputed the agency's authority to take away his titles.
Johan Bruyneel, the former sporting director of the two teams Armstrong won his Tour titles with, is also accused of involvement in the case by USADA and criticized the process while defending the American.
"I'm disappointed for Lance and for cycling in general that things have reached a stage where Lance feels that he has had enough and is no longer willing to participate in USADA's campaign against him," the Belgian wrote on his blog www.johanbruyneel.com.
"Lance has never withdrawn from a fair fight in his life so his decision today underlines what an unjust process this has been."
World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) chief John Fahey said that Armstrong's decision not to contest the allegations should lead to the American being stripped of his Tour de France wins.
"He had the right to rip up those charges but he elected not, therefore the only interpretation in these circumstances is that there was substance in those charges," Fahey told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday.
He has emerged clean time after time, throughout investigations spanning over two years (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-armstrong-inquiry-concludes-with-no-charges-filed), and other incessant accusations going back to the 90's, and it's never enough. That's got to be hell. Is it worth it? If you know you're in the clear? You know you won those titles legitimately? Is it worth it to go through that, and put your family through that? Enough finally becomes enough at some point.
If you want to stick to the Cam Newton analogy, this is the equivalent of the NCAA coming up with nothing, then the FBI does their own investigation, and they come up with nothing. Then the SEC wants to do its own investigation and comes up with nothing. Yahoo Sports gets involved and comes up with nothing. Finally, when ESPN insists they do their own investigation, Newton says, "You know what? Fuck it. I cheated. I never won the Heisman. I never won a National Championship. If that'll make you leave me the fuck alone, then fine."
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He rode a bicycle in France really fast for a long way. Do not care one way or the other.
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No, he "essentially admitted guilt" by announcing that he "is finished fighting a barrage of drug charges from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency".
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120823/sports/708239536/
You and Kaos have no clue what you are talking about.
You of all people should see it from his eyes (seeing what has happened to Auburn and the Saints). He was going to be guilty regardless whether he fought it or not. He saw the writing on the wall. So why spend millions fighting it any longer?
He passed over 700 fucking tests! He did everything asked of him and played by their rules. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple. Tygart had a personal ax to grind with Lance.
I like how the "evidence" against him are some bullshit accounts from 2 KNOWN DOPERS and LIARS - Hamilton and Landis. Real credible. And still, no failed drug tests.
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You and Kaos have no clue what you are talking about.
You of all people should see it from his eyes (seeing what has happened to Auburn and the Saints). He was going to be guilty regardless whether he fought it or not. He saw the writing on the wall. So why spend millions fighting it any longer?
He passed over 700 fucking tests! He did everything asked of him and played by their rules. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple. Tygart had a personal ax to grind with Lance.
I like how the "evidence" against him are some bullshit accounts from 2 KNOWN DOPERS and LIARS - Hamilton and Landis. Real credible. And still, no failed drug tests.
How does this make me wrong?
Is this not exactly what I was saying? It pains you to agree with me so badly that you paint me into the opposite side of my actual argument so you can disagree with it...
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I always scoffed at those who marveled at Lance "I Can Ride A Bike" Armstrong and tried to claim he was the best athlete in the history of the universe.
We've seen the best ever in Jordan Hare Stadium and they didn't get there by pedaling like a ten-year old (although one did ride a scooter).
Now that Armstrong has essentially admitted that his entire history is a chemical fantasy, can we take that "best athlete ever" flag away forever? Can we not ever have to hear that again?
Because really? Cam would stomp him into a mudhole and has more athletic ability in his left fingernail than dope boy has in his entire yellow body. Bo would break him like an offending baseball bat. Just snap his chemically enhanced frame over a thigh.
Fuck Lance Armstrong. I win.
Lance's V02 Max is higher than you could dream of Softball boy. You wouldn't know athletic ability if it hit you in the face in the form of Gene Simmons' cock.
BTW - did you know Lance dominated trialthlons LONG before he was ever a pro cyclist? Going back to when he was a teenager. Yeah, I'm sure he was doping EPO at age 13 in the early 80's. :taunt:
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How does this make me wrong?
Is this not exactly what I was saying? It pains you to agree with me so badly that you paint me into the opposite side of my actual argument so you can disagree with it...
Sorry, I read your post wrong. Yes, agree with you then. I didn't quite pick up on the sarcasm. My B.
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You and Kaos have no clue what you are talking about.
You of all people should see it from his eyes (seeing what has happened to Auburn and the Saints). He was going to be guilty regardless whether he fought it or not. He saw the writing on the wall. So why spend millions fighting it any longer?
He passed over 700 fucking tests! He did everything asked of him and played by their rules. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple. Tygart had a personal ax to grind with Lance.
I like how the "evidence" against him are some bullshit accounts from 2 KNOWN DOPERS and LIARS - Hamilton and Landis. Real credible. And still, no failed drug tests.
Actually I think K was by himself on that one. Chizad was giving the 411.
nevermind
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Actually I think K was by himself on that one. Chizad was giving the 411.
nevermind
Yeah, I recanted my comment to Chad. That was my goof. I didn't read his previous responses before the one I quoted.
K also thinks KISS is good, Mattie McConaughey was hot in magic mike and Meryl Streep is a bad actress. Not sure what else to say.
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Yeah going with Chadskins here. He has passed every doping test they have given him, how can they claim he has cheated.
I'm not saying I know for 100% fact that he did nothing wrong, but it sure seems like he was bullied into this after relentless unreasonable pressure that, up until now, he had complied with, and passed screening asked of him for years and years and years. He's finally fed up with the bureaucracy.
It's really pretty amazing to me that Kaos is such a "lynch 'em now, facts be damned" kind of guy despite seeing nearly first-hand how the Cam shit went down.
Look, I don't have any Armstrong posters in my room. I could give a fuck. In fact, those Livestrong bracelets used to annoy the shit out of me.
But I'm sick of this society we've built where there's this rabid desire, nay need, to tear great people down. To destroy someone's legacy. To illegitimize them. Do you think there were people scrambling to out Babe Ruth's mistresses a'la Tiger Woods to taint his image? It makes us feel better that for that one moment, it's probably not that great to be Lance Armstrong. And we bask in it. We're a TMZ society.
If the Cam Newton's on the other foot, so to speak, everyone who can't claim them as their own hates them and wants to destroy them. It's the bammer mentality. You're not cheering for your guy in the NASCAR race, you're cheering for the guy you don't like to hit the wall and incinerate in a fiery crash.
Society, please, let's stop this.
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BTW this might be the best thing you have ever posted on this board. +6
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WHOAAAA! Everyone calm down.
The only thing we know for sure is that the Saints cheated.
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Yeah going with Chadskins here. He has passed every doping test they have given him, how can they claim he has cheated.
BTW this might be the best thing you have ever posted on this board. +6
And the same thing with Clemens. Do I think Clemens probably used? Sure, I do. But they can't prove it. He played the game the way it was structured at the time. He passed the needed tests. If they didn't do their due diligence and had a flawed system, then that's their fucking fault.
As for Lance, you can't go back and retroactively use sketchy fucking details from two liars/dopers (who sold him up the creek to get lighter punishment) and declare him GUILTY just because one guy thinks so, even though he passed almost 800 tests!
Tygart is playing accuser, judge and jury based off nothing but a personal vendetta and a "hunch". And if Lance gets tired of fighting, the system is gamed in such a way (World Anti Doping/USADA) that it "implies guilt". Fucking BS.
God, I'm glad the courts don't work this way with due process.
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WHOAAAA! Everyone calm down.
The only thing we know for sure is that the Saints cheated.
Eggzactly!
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The University of Alabama has claimed the 1999, 2000, and 2003-2005 Tour de France titles.
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WHOAAAA! Everyone calm down.
The only thing we know for sure is that the Saints cheated.
Well that and Joe Paterno applauds Chizad's rant. Can he have his legacy back please?
Saints. The Armstrongs of the NFL.
Dirty cheaters.
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The University of Alabama has claimed the 1999, 2000, and 2003-2005 Tour de France titles.
I be stealin this, like a mofo.
Nice hustle!
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Well that and Joe Paterno applauds Chizad's rant. Can he have his legacy back please?
Saints. The Armstrongs of the NFL.
Dirty cheaters.
Still waiting on proof.
You are right though. When he was 14, he tested out with a VO2 max of 80 (normal is 50). Those bananas and PBJ sandwiches were banned and he shoulda known it!
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I be stealin this, like a mofo.
Nice hustle!
+1
Got 19?
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The University of Alabama has claimed the 1999, 2000, and 2003-2005 Tour de France titles.
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I be stealin this, like a mofo.
Nice hustle!
Word
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I'm stealing this...
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All of Lance's sponsors are sticking by him, and donations to his foundation were up 25x today.
No way to win when the accusations are based on a "he said he said". Lance should save his money.
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He rode a bicycle in France really fast for a long way. Do not care one way or the other.
He did but I bet I can pop a better wheelie.
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As for Lance, you can't go back and retroactively use sketchy fucking details from two liars/dopers (who sold him up the creek to get lighter punishment) and declare him GUILTY just because one guy thinks so, even though he passed almost 800 tests!
This is the part that bothers me. How can they go back to 1996 and say he was doping when he never failed a test? This opens a whole new can of worms in every sport.
I think they should dig up every ball player in any hall of fame and retest them. Ask anyone who ever knew them if they were juicing. If anybody says yes or if their remains test positive, throw their asses out!
This is essentially what they are doing to Lance.
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This is the part that bothers me. How can they go back to 1996 and say he was doping when he never failed a test? This opens a whole new can of worms in every sport.
I think they should dig up every ball player in any hall of fame and retest them. Ask anyone who ever knew them if they were juicing. If anybody says yes or if their remains test positive, throw their asses out!
This is essentially what they are doing to Lance.
It ain't we, its K only.
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I sure do hope OJ finds that real killer. Maybe he can get Lance to come help him out.
How do we know he passed all these 700 drug tests? Because he says so? What about the ones that came back positive that he made up bullshit for?
Clemens
Bonds
Bicycle Boy
Dirty fucking cheaters. Period.
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I sure do hope OJ finds that real killer. Maybe he can get Lance to come help him out.
How do we know he passed all these 700 drug tests? Because he says so? What about the ones that came back positive that he made up bullshit for?
Clemens
Bonds
Bicycle Boy
Dirty fucking cheaters. Period.
And you still can show NO proof. All you are spewing is your hot air and personal rhetoric. All hat no cattle.
You do realize the TWO witnesses (he said he said) are Landis and Hamilton - 2 KNOWN LIARS and DOPERS! How credible they must be.
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I sure do hope OJ finds that real killer. Maybe he can get Lance to come help him out.
How do we know he passed all these 700 drug tests? Because he says so? What about the ones that came back positive that he made up bullshoot for?
Clemens
Bonds
Bicycle Boy
Dirty fudgeing cheaters. Period.
Because they were presumably taken during the race and if he had failed any then he would have not been allowed to compete?
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Because they were presumably taken during the race and if he had failed any then he would have not been allowed to compete?
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He's the most TESTED athlete of all time. And has never failed a test. It's common knowledge, not because "lance said so".
This is called "Kaos not having an even halfway decent defense". So he's just spewing out shit now with his editorial writer hat on.
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He's the most TESTED athlete of all time. And has never failed a test. It's common knowledge, not because "lance said so".
This is called "Kaos not having an even halfway decent defense". So he's just spewing out shit now with his editorial writer hat on.
That's not true.
There's no "common knowledge" that he passed all tests. Because he didn't pass them all. You're making that shit up.
There were failed tests in 1999 or 2001 or something, failed tests in other years too but had them "fixed" by pitching a shit fit.
But keep drinking that piss-yellow kool aid. He's a dirty fucking cheater.
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That's not true.
There's no "common knowledge" that he passed all tests. Because he didn't pass them all. You're making that shoot up.
There were failed tests in 1999 or 2001 or something, failed tests in other years too but had them "fixed" by pitching a shoot fit.
But keep drinking that piss-yellow kool aid. He's a dirty fudgeing cheater.
Yeah, it's like that time that we heard that phone call with Cam breathing through his fake smile in the background. Thug.
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Yeah, it's like that time that we heard that phone call with Cam breathing through his fake smile in the background. Thug.
So the 60 Minutes report on the failed test that he "fixed" is all just false.
Ok.
Bicycle boy cheated. Period.
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So the 60 Minutes report on the failed test that he "fixed" is all just false.
Ok.
Bicycle boy cheated. Period.
No one fucking cares anymore....
football!
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Yep. It's over.
Saints cheated.
Bear cheated.
Bammers cheat.
Bonds cheated.
McGwire and Sosa cheated.
Clemens probably cheated.
Bicycle Boy cheated.
And OJ did it.
The end.
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Bear cheated?
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Yep. It's over.
Saints cheated.
Bear cheated.
Bammers cheat.
Bonds cheated.
McGwire and Sosa cheated.
Clemens probably cheated.
Bicycle Boy cheated.
And OJ did it.
The end.
You forgot Cam.
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You forgot Cam.
Well, nobody ever disputed his cheatery
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Bear cheated?
LEAVE HIM THA HAYULLLL ALONE PAYPUL!!!
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Well, nobody ever disputed his cheatery thuggery
True.
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You and Kaos have no clue what you are talking about.
You of all people should see it from his eyes (seeing what has happened to Auburn and the Saints). He was going to be guilty regardless whether he fought it or not. He saw the writing on the wall. So why spend millions fighting it any longer?
He passed over 700 fudgeing tests! He did everything asked of him and played by their rules. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple. Tygart had a personal ax to grind with Lance.
I like how the "evidence" against him are some bullshoot accounts from 2 KNOWN DOPERS and LIARS - Hamilton and Landis. Real credible. And still, no failed drug tests.
I believe, once again, that I was right all along.
What do I win?
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I believe, once again, that I was right all along.
What do I win?
:bozo:
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Yeah, I recanted my comment to Chad. That was my goof. I didn't read his previous responses before the one I quoted.
K also thinks KISS is good, Mattie McConaughey was hot in magic mike and Meryl Streep is a bad actress. Not sure what else to say.
^^
Based on my continued validation, all those things are true.
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Matthew MaConaughey IS hot.
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We all chipped in and got you this.
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I believe, once again, that I was right all along.
What do I win?
You win a nice glass of go fuck yourself. That's what you get.
Seriously though, He got away with it because of flaws in their testing. He played their game and won at the time. For the record, every single cyclist that finished near the top in that decade has been found guilty. Lance didn't start the fire. He just didnt put it out either. And it still doesn't change the fact that Tygart was on a witchhunt for personal reasons and refused to use any due process playing judge and jury.
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You win a nice glass of go fuck yourself. That's what you get.
Seriously though, He got away with it because of flaws in their testing. He played their game and won at the time. For the record, every single cyclist that finished near the top in that decade has been found guilty. Lance didn't start the fire. He just didnt put it out either. And it still doesn't change the fact that Tygart was on a witchhunt for personal reasons and refused to use any due process playing judge and jury.
SO. Did he EVER get caught while competing?
If not, then how can they retroactively take away his wins.
Will they go after all of the super bowl winners in the 70's now?
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SO. Did he EVER get caught while competing?
If not, then how can they retroactively take away his wins.
Will they go after all of the super bowl winners in the 70's now?
Nope. And same thing with Bonds too. Epo wasn't even illegal in cycling when he started using it so that bewilders me too. Same thing with roids in baseball. That was my main emphasis in the quote kaos ridiculed. It was required that he passed the tests. He did. If he passed them but doped, sounds like the testing body is fucked up then to me. If anything he made everyone realize how much of a joke drug testing was. It probably pissed them off too (mainly Tygart).
People also fail to realize that PEDs don't make talent. Bonds was smashing 40-50 hrs a year at 170 lbs in a pitching era. Lance had a vo2 max of 80 before he was even 20 years old. He was a national triathlon champion as a teenager. These guys are genetic freaks regardless of this.
So if Lynn swan comes out and says mean joe Greene took dinabol, are we taking away a super bowl?
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SO. Did he EVER get caught while competing?
If not, then how can they retroactively take away his wins.
Will they go after all of the super bowl winners in the 70's now?
I've axed many times how Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire...now Lance Armstrong etc. should be treated any different than Lyle Alzado. (Other than the fact that he's dead) Alzado was an integral part of a Super Bowl Championship and admitted to juicing virtually his whole career. Don't you take away the Raiders SB win since a guy who was wreaking havoc on opposing QB's and runnings backs was jacked up on juice?
I look at the whole thing a little differently. I think you change the rules, which they have, to ban PED's and move on. A lot of these guys like McGuire and Sosa and Bonds in baseball...and Alzado and countless others in football..and pretty much throughout sports...were doing this at a time when not only was it not banned, it was almost encouraged. The MLB powers that be, had no problem looking the other way while their sport was reaching new heights in popularity with records being shattered and fans filling the stands to watch balls fly out of the park...and see Clemens bringing 96 m.p.h. heat.
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Okay fine GH....hit "post" first and steal my thunder. But I thought about it first. I just got busy at work.
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Okay fine GH....hit "post" first and steal my thunder. But I thought about it first. I just got busy at work.
No but you are 100% correct. How can they retroactively strip titles/records from people when the stuff wasn't illegal at the time and/or their testing was too flawed to catch it.
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No way he makes it to Cooperstown now.
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No way he makes it to Cooperstown now.
Being 2-499 isn't bad. You are starting to get the hang of this thing. :thumsup:
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No way he makes it to Cooperstown now.
I don't know I think he has the ball to make it.
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I don't know I think he has the ball to make it.
:sad:
Way to kick a guy in the nut when he's down.
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I've axed many times how Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire...now Lance Armstrong etc. should be treated any different than Lyle Alzado. (Other than the fact that he's dead) Alzado was an integral part of a Super Bowl Championship and admitted to juicing virtually his whole career. Don't you take away the Raiders SB win since a guy who was wreaking havoc on opposing QB's and runnings backs was jacked up on juice?
I look at the whole thing a little differently. I think you change the rules, which they have, to ban PED's and move on. A lot of these guys like McGuire and Sosa and Bonds in baseball...and Alzado and countless others in football..and pretty much throughout sports...were doing this at a time when not only was it not banned, it was almost encouraged. The MLB powers that be, had no problem looking the other way while their sport was reaching new heights in popularity with records being shattered and fans filling the stands to watch balls fly out of the park...and see Clemens bringing 96 m.p.h. heat.
Don't take away the team win, but Alzado's personal accomplishments? Shot at Hall of Fame?
Yeah, that should be gone.
No HOF for Clemens, McGwire, Sosa or Bonds. Remove the records they established. Give them back to people who did things the right way.
Remove what Lance won (since that was an individual competition, not a team one). Seems fair. He stole what others should have won by his nefarious actions. Those people have now been denied their place in history not to mention any monetary benefits they may have derived from being champions.
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No but you are 100% correct. How can they retroactively strip titles/records from people when the stuff wasn't illegal at the time and/or their testing was too flawed to catch it.
So, he should get an atta-boy for fooling a drug test that was testing for banned substances that he was using? That doesn't make much sense. If it wasn't illegal at the time, that's one thing. But you shouldn't be rewarded for cheating the system.
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So, he should get an atta-boy for fooling a drug test that was testing for banned substances that he was using? That doesn't make much sense. If it wasn't illegal at the time, that's one thing. But you shouldn't be rewarded for cheating the system.
Uhhh, you sure you should be saying that.
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So, he should get an atta-boy for fooling a drug test that was testing for banned substances that he was using? That doesn't make much sense. If it wasn't illegal at the time, that's one thing. But you shouldn't be rewarded for cheating the system.
Tell me where I said he should get praised and I'll argue with you about that. Otherwise shutup and go fuck a goat
For one those drugs weren't illegal when the doping started. Two, it was their dumbass fault for not catching him. They got embarrassed because they knew he was doping and their antiquated system failed them. Thus the witch hunt ensued. If they had done their jobs right he would have been caught. Period.
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Don't take away the team win, but Alzado's personal accomplishments? Shot at Hall of Fame?
Yeah, that should be gone.
No HOF for Clemens, McGwire, Sosa or Bonds. Remove the records they established. Give them back to people who did things the right way.
Remove what Lance won (since that was an individual competition, not a team one). Seems fair. He stole what others should have won by his nefarious actions. Those people have now been denied their place in history not to mention any monetary benefits they may have derived from being champions.
But the question remains. If it wasn't banned at the time and these guys were basically put up on a pedastol and used as the face of baseball, how do you go back and strip anything from them? Plus, guys like Bonds, Sosa and McGuire got "caught"...some have never admitted nor been proven guilty...because they were hitting bombs. They were doing what fans paid to see. They were under much more of a microscope later because of their, for lack of a better term, feats of strength. I'm 100% certain that these guys were a drop in the bucket with regard to how many were using. What about the pitchers? Petit admitted it...after he got called out. Clemens denied and his cases thrown out.
Anyone remember a guy named Brady Anderson? Leadoff hitter for the Orioles. 15 year career. In 14 of those, he averaged 11.5 home runs and 46 RBI's. Long about the time McGuire and company started launching rockets out of baseball stadiums around the country, pesky little Brady decided one year to "find his stroke" and hit 50 HR's and 110 RBI's. Ummm...yeah. Point is, there was no ban, no penalties for usage and no reason not to try and one-up the next guy. Steroids were a huge part of the sports culture. I just don't see how you single out those who either got caught later, admitted to it, or those who did neither but we're all are sure they did. Bonds hit bombs and had a big head. No HOF for you.
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But the question remains. If it wasn't banned at the time and these guys were basically put up on a pedastol and used as the face of baseball, how do you go back and strip anything from them? Plus, guys like Bonds, Sosa and McGuire got "caught"...some have never admitted nor been proven guilty...because they were hitting bombs. They were doing what fans paid to see. They were under much more of a microscope later because of their, for lack of a better term, feats of strength. I'm 100% certain that these guys were a drop in the bucket with regard to how many were using. What about the pitchers? Petit admitted it...after he got called out. Clemens denied and his cases thrown out.
Anyone remember a guy named Brady Anderson? Leadoff hitter for the Orioles. 15 year career. In 14 of those, he averaged 11.5 home runs and 46 RBI's. Long about the time McGuire and company started launching rockets out of baseball stadiums around the country, pesky little Brady decided one year to "find his stroke" and hit 50 HR's and 110 RBI's. Ummm...yeah. Point is, there was no ban, no penalties for usage and no reason not to try and one-up the next guy. Steroids were a huge part of the sports culture. I just don't see how you single out those who either got caught later, admitted to it, or those who did neither but we're all are sure they did. Bonds hit bombs and had a big head. No HOF for you.
And I don't care what anyone says: rocket and bonds were both phenoms. Drugs or not. They were both badass before them.
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But the question remains. If it wasn't banned at the time and these guys were basically put up on a pedastol and used as the face of baseball, how do you go back and strip anything from them? Plus, guys like Bonds, Sosa and McGuire got "caught"...some have never admitted nor been proven guilty...because they were hitting bombs. They were doing what fans paid to see. They were under much more of a microscope later because of their, for lack of a better term, feats of strength. I'm 100% certain that these guys were a drop in the bucket with regard to how many were using. What about the pitchers? Petit admitted it...after he got called out. Clemens denied and his cases thrown out.
Yeah but it was an illegal drug. Again just because these guys weren't caught doesn't make it right.
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And I don't care what anyone says: rocket and bonds were both phenoms. Drugs or not. They were both badass before them.
Heard a national sports talk guy on Yahoo say the same thing. He said virtually everyone of these guys were HOF candidates long before they decided to juice it up. But hell, think about it. It's all they've ever known. None of them has ever held a "real job". Playing your sport is all you've ever done and the better you are at it and the longer you play, the more money you make.
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Yeah but it was an illegal drug. Again just because these guys weren't caught doesn't make it right.
So is nose candy but that wouldn't keep anyone out of the HOF or cause their records to be stricken.
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So is nose candy but that wouldn't keep anyone out of the HOF or cause their records to be stricken.
Cocaine doesn't make someone better at their individual sport. And in some cases, it will cause people to vacate a win/title.
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Cocaine doesn't make someone better at their individual sport. And in some cases, it will cause people to vacate a win/title.
Debatable. How many professional athletes have taken pain killers they didn't obtain legally, in order to get themselves able to play? Wonder how many times Brett Fahvray took something he wasn't supposed to be taking?
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So all I'm getting from this is that Snaggle is an expert in blow.
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So all I'm getting from this is that Snaggle is an expert in blow.
and the Saints are a bunch of cheaters.
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Some of you no longer have a right to bitch about anything going on in Tuscaloosa. If Tom is providing benefits.....if Calloway took a beach vacation on someone's dime.....if Yeldon received any benefits.....if etc, etc......it's totally cool because they haven't been caught.
And years down the road, if it is found that any of those rumors are true, the NCAA shouldn't strip any scholarships, championships or hand out any bowl bans, because they should have caught the cheating when it was happening.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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Debatable. How many professional athletes have taken pain killers they didn't obtain legally, in order to get themselves able to play? Wonder how many times Brett Fahvray took something he wasn't supposed to be taking?
Brett Favre went to REHAB for painkiller addiction - he was abusing prescription drugs, which is illegal. Michael Irvin was CAUGHT with cocaine - got arrested for it.
No HOF for them either?
Remove what Lance won (since that was an individual competition, not a team one). Seems fair. He stole what others should have won by his nefarious actions. Those people have now been denied their place in history not to mention any monetary benefits they may have derived from being champions.
Just a :poke: because I could not care less, but if the only real winner denied his place in history was the guy who wasn't juicing in the TDF? The winner would be the guy who finished 45 out of 45 or whatever, and maybe not even him. They were ALL juicing. Lance was better than all the rest prior to the juicing, as someone pointed out.
But yeah, he sucks.
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Some of you no longer have a right to bitch about anything going on in Tuscaloosa. If Tom is providing benefits.....if Calloway took a beach vacation on someone's dime.....if Yeldon received any benefits.....if etc, etc......it's totally cool because they haven't been caught.
And years down the road, if it is found that any of those rumors are true, the NCAA shouldn't strip any scholarships, championships or hand out any bowl bans, because they should have caught the cheating when it was happening.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
I hope you're not expecting anyone to listen to you. You are now one step away from being a goat fucker just like RWS.
Speaking of Mr Scissors, where the hell as he been anyway?
3.2.1.....
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So is nose candy but that wouldn't keep anyone out of the HOF or cause their records to be stricken.
Leave Ron Washington out of this...
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I hope you're not expecting anyone to listen to you. You are now one step away from being a goat fucker just like RWS.
Speaking of Mr Scissors, where the hell as he been anyway?
3.2.1.....
His point is solid. Saying that somebodyshould be rewarded for figuring out how to fool the drug tests is stupid. He was fooling them to hide the fact that he was taking banned substances. You are basically saying that it is OK to cheat your ass off as long as you cover it up well enough.
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His point is solid. Saying that somebodyshould be rewarded for figuring out how to fool the drug tests is stupid. He was fooling them to hide the fact that he was taking banned substances. You are basically saying that it is OK to cheat your ass off as long as you cover it up well enough.
Agree with the goat fucker.
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Cocaine doesn't make someone better at their individual sport.
The hell you say!
Signed,
Chris Porter
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His point is solid. Saying that somebodyshould be rewarded for figuring out how to fool the drug tests is stupid. He was fooling them to hide the fact that he was taking banned substances. You are basically saying that it is OK to cheat your ass off as long as you cover it up well enough.
Semantics
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The hell you say!
Signed,
Chris Porter
You tell 'em, Chris!
Signed,
Otis Nixon