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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on November 26, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
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Let's talk.
Let's talk some reality.
If we're going to have any chance of winning, we need two of these to happen:
- Pick 6 for Auburn
- Kickoff return for a touchdown
- Trent Richardson injury in the first half
- Two sack fumbles recovered for Auburn
- One punt block in Alabama territory
- One Alabama muffed punt recovered by Auburn
I halfway jokingly made this list. I listed those "keys" because I thought they were surely enough to swing momentum our way and stifle Alabama. Surely enough to put our offense in motion and cause more mistakes by McCarron.
We got a sack fumble for a touchdown and a kickoff return for a touchdown.
And still got blown out 42-14. Blown the fuck out at home after scoring on defense and special teams.
- "It's like a tornado ran through y'all today." - Random old man Alabama fan at Full Moon BBQ a few minutes ago.
And you wonder why we have to beat these assholes.
From my Facebook: "Barners live to play on the same field as Alabama. Alabama plays only to win championships! Roll Tide!"
It's because when we do lose, it's a constant barrage of elephant shit smashed in our faces when we least expect it. It's because they're willing to use a horrific tragedy that struck Tuscaloosa to swing it back towards us.
A tornado tore up Tuscaloosa. But not anymore. Now the tornado hit Auburn.
- The butthurt is strong with me right now, but I have some legitimate reasons.
YahooForde Pat Forde
Trooper Taylor, Auburn's mascot/WR coach, was just yapping at Bama CB Dre Kirkpatrick. Kirckpatrick motioned Taylor to come onto the field.
- When we're winning? I'm a homer and am going to defend Auburn to the max. When we're losing? This shit has to be addressed.
- I didn't see it, but apparently, a few media guys did. I'm sure someone caught it on video. If Trooper was really talking shit to an opposing player, he needs to be dealt with. Not fired. But I hope Chizik takes care of it because no college football coach who is making hundreds of thousands of dollars should be yapping at a college kid who is supposed to be playing for free.
Same Ole Story...
- Want to know the truth? If Zeke Pike doesn't come in and light the world on fire? We suck again next year.
- Maybe Frazier can grow as a player or maybe we can develop a run-only package for the offense. But Moseley/Trotter are so bad, they can't even be managers. They can't play in this league. They shouldn't play another down.
- We have a month until the bowl game. Frazier should get every rep at QB just to see if he can do it. Let's do an all out scrimmage and see if Frazier can handle an SEC defense at full speed.
- Whoa, THS. He won't face an SEC defense until next September. Because it's complete blasphemy to call this defense that we have right now an SEC defense.
Gus Malzahn...
- He can go now. I saw enough of the Mickey Mouse bullshit. We power it forward to convert a 4th down against one of the stoutest defenses in the last decade and then we lose 15 yards after whatever the fuck you want to call it.
- Don't get me wrong. Malzahn is really interesting and can do some amazing things on offense. But how many times over the last three years have we seen him outthink himself or get too cute and lose big yards? How many times has that happened at crucial points in the game? How many times has Gus hampered our ability to win after calling a reverse pass or triple read option or whatever you want to call some of his plays?
- I'm sure once we get a quarterback and a better offensive line, he'll be back to dominating the statistics. But Jesus I can't handle the Wiley Coyote ideas anymore.
What It All Boils Down To...
- Moseley is a division II quarterback. As is Trotter. They aren't SEC athletes. They don't know what they're doing. They can't handle it at all. One of them should lose his scholarship and transfer and the other should be the scout team quarterback.
- The offensive line was bad too, but I thought they did okay considering what they were facing. They gave Moseley the chance to make a few plays in the 3rd quarter, but Moseley threw it straight to Dre Kirkpatrick and then straight to Demarcus Milliner.
Final Thought...
- We go 8-5 if we win the bowl game, and most people will say we did okay. Youth. Inexperience. Need a better quarterback. Injuries hurt us. We faced five really good football teams and four of them were away. There are plenty of viable excuses, but they fail.
- This is Chizik's third year into his contract, and getting blown out like this is unacceptable. And yes, the Utah State, Miss State, and Samford games should also be taken into account.
- I think Chizik can turn it around. I think he knows how to motivate, recruit, and hire. I just hope he has the guts to do what needs to be done concerning players and coaches.
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Oh and guess what?
Trent Richardson had 203 yards rushing. Dude is going to win the Heisman because of Auburn. At least in 2009, Mark Ingram won the Heisman in spite of how he performed against Auburn.
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Positive: we didn't quit.
My $.02 this loss is on Gus. I don't know what the fuck that gameplan was. I do not pretend to be an coach, but I think I could have come up with a better gameplan than that game. There is NO reason that you can give me that explains why our best player had 3 carries going into halftime. There were so many wasted series in that game. It was truly frustrating. I don't know if we would have won that game, however I do think we could have hung into the 4th and made it a game with a decent gameplan.
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Roof needs to go, but I applaud his efforts in this game. This one was on Gus.
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If Mosley takes one snap in the bowl game, this coaching staff is dead to me.
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Positive: we didn't quit.
My $.02 this loss is on Gus. I don't know what the fuck that gameplan was. I do not pretend to be an coach, but I think I could have come up with a better gameplan than that game. There is NO reason that you can give me that explains why our best player had 3 carries going into halftime. There were so many wasted series in that game. It was truly frustrating. I don't know if we would have won that game, however I do think we could have hung into the 4th and made it a game with a decent gameplan.
No.
Roof needs to go, but I applaud his efforts in this game. This one was on Gus.
100% agree. I was just hoping for a chance going in to the fourth quarter and we had it. The fourth down call with Dyer at Waldcat was HORRIBLE followed up with the 3 fucking stupid passes inside the 10 yard line to seal the W for Alabama. Auburn actually had a shot today...because of fucking miracles...and Gus blew it. Completely.
Fuck...
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Trent Richardson had 203 yards rushing.
I don't think he will, but to be honest, it was damn impressive what he did with how much AU was committing to stopping him.
I also really enjoyed watching Fowler on that last TD. He is a load!
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I don't think he will, but to be honest, it was damn impressive what he did with how much AU was committing to stopping him.
I also really enjoyed watching Fowler on that last TD. He is a load!
Why wouldn't he?
203 yards? Some of the highlights from the game were ridiculous. Gary and Verne made sure to point out that Trent was "dragging oh my gosh can you believe it 10 defenders down field."
I was just watching Luck vs. Notre Dame. Don't get me wrong. He's amazing. He's a hell of a quarterback. But the Heisman is always won by a highlight player from a national championship contender. Not many highlights by Luck. Just solid play.
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Let me start by saying that I spent the day in the woods hunting and listened to the game on the radio because I knew we didn't have a chance in this game. Now, I am sick of reading the bullshit on this board about our coaching staff and team. Yes we sucked, did you really expect anything different after losing your entire offensive line, the best offensive and defensive players in college football last year, and playing as many freshman and sophomore players as we have?
To be honest a lot of you are like fucking Bammers. We just won a National Fucking Championship. Yes it was a bad year. No we don't have a quarterback, we don't have an offensive line and we don't have a defense. Yes Roof must go. Our defense has been pathetic for 2 of the last 3 years. Are defense was only acceptable last year because of two or three players. Our defensive backs have not been taught how to tackle or look for a fucking ball in the air. Our linebackers are small. Our defensive line is small and can't get pressure on a six year old girl. Our front seven is also young, I'll accept that if they hit th off season and beef up.
Gus must go. NO. He probably will but, to blame him for our offensive play this year is fucking ridiculous. He has nothing to work with except Dyer. To think that Dyer is the second leading rusher in the SEC with our shitastic O line really tells you how good he is. How Trotter and Mosley got a scholarship to Auburn is beyond me. Gus knew the only fucking way we do anything against Bama's D is to get lucky and try to trick them. It didn't work. But let's think about it, Bama's D is scary good so is LSU's for different reasons. There was no way Dyer was going to power run behind our line against Bams front 7. We don't have a receiver that can catch, besides Blake. We don't have a line that would give a QB time to throw and even if we did we don't having a QB that can fucking throw. So how is that Gus's fault?
To be honest we could easily be 3-9 right now. So coming off of Thanksgiving weekend let's be thankful that we are not and have won seven games. Am I happy with that record, NO. But after watching this season and seeing the level of athletes we have right now I am content. After all I thought that we like to say we are not like the Fucktard Bams, I sure do see a lot of similarities on this board. Maybe I'm just being realistic, oh wait that is one thing Bammers are not.
Final thought, we had damn sure better recruit some key players on defensive line, linebackers, o line and a QB. The "young players" of this team better hit the weight room and some leaders need to emerge. The team is not all negative, I have seen glimmers of hope from some players, but the inexperience did show throughout the season. After key plays on offense stupid mistakes set them back in every game we played this year.
Now continue bitching but it won't change the facts.
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I think while most of you know I may be a homer, but I'm not a dick about shit. So that's not my purpose with my post. With that said.....
That just wasn't AU football.
Like THS and GF said, no idea what that was. I've seen Gus' offense the past few years, and watching it today, I was just like "I don't get it. What is this?" It's like there was no direction. No identity. It's like somebody was just throwing a dart at a board, and whatever play it landed on, that's what was going to be run. When you play AU, you know it's going to be a fight. You might get up on them a little, but you know the other shoe is going to drop. There will be a spark, and it's going to be on. There were a few sparks tonight, but it just fizzled. I really didn't understand. It just didn't look like Gus' offense. There was no HUNH. There was no smashmouth running game. Dyer had to be injured or something. It just looked.....different. Maybe you guys can better explain it, but I can't.
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Let me start by saying that I spent the day in the woods hunting and listened to the game on the radio because I knew we didn't have a chance in this game. Now, I am sick of reading the bullshit on this board about our coaching staff and team. Yes we sucked, did you really expect anything different after losing your entire offensive line, the best offensive and defensive players in college football last year, and playing as many freshman and sophomore players as we have?
To be honest a lot of you are like fucking Bammers. We just won a National Fucking Championship. Yes it was a bad year. No we don't have a quarterback, we don't have an offensive line and we don't have a defense. Yes Roof must go. Our defense has been pathetic for 2 of the last 3 years. Are defense was only acceptable last year because of two or three players. Our defensive backs have not been taught how to tackle or look for a fucking ball in the air. Our linebackers are small. Our defensive line is small and can't get pressure on a six year old girl. Our front seven is also young, I'll accept that if they hit th off season and beef up.
Gus must go. NO. He probably will but, to blame him for our offensive play this year is fucking ridiculous. He has nothing to work with except Dyer. To think that Dyer is the second leading rusher in the SEC with our shitastic O line really tells you how good he is. How Trotter and Mosley got a scholarship to Auburn is beyond me. Gus knew the only fucking way we do anything against Bama's D is to get lucky and try to trick them. It didn't work. But let's think about it, Bama's D is scary good so is LSU's for different reasons. There was no way Dyer was going to power run behind our line against Bams front 7. We don't have a receiver that can catch, besides Blake. We don't have a line that would give a QB time to throw and even if we did we don't having a QB that can fucking throw. So how is that Gus's fault?
To be honest we could easily be 3-9 right now. So coming off of Thanksgiving weekend let's be thankful that we are not and have won seven games. Am I happy with that record, NO. But after watching this season and seeing the level of athletes we have right now I am content. After all I thought that we like to say we are not like the Fucktard Bams, I sure do see a lot of similarities on this board. Maybe I'm just being realistic, oh wait that is one thing Bammers are not.
Final thought, we had damn sure better recruit some key players on defensive line, linebackers, o line and a QB. The "young players" of this team better hit the weight room and some leaders need to emerge. The team is not all negative, I have seen glimmers of hope from some players, but the inexperience did show throughout the season. After key plays on offense stupid mistakes set them back in every game we played this year.
Now continue bitching but it won't change the facts.
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Why wouldn't he?
203 yards? Some of the highlights from the game were ridiculous. Gary and Verne made sure to point out that Trent was "dragging oh my gosh can you believe it 10 defenders down field."
I was just watching Luck vs. Notre Dame. Don't get me wrong. He's amazing. He's a hell of a quarterback. But the Heisman is always won by a highlight player from a national championship contender. Not many highlights by Luck. Just solid play.
Because everyone was told Luck should win it before the year started... And as most of us know, most voters are idiots.
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Wouldn't expect you to be able through the tears in your eyes. You've been crying for 13 weeks now. You're a typical arm chair quarterback that has never played the game in your life, but you know everything that's why your a coach, or that's why you can develop a better game plan from your living room.
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Positive: we didn't quit.
My $.02 this loss is on Gus. I don't know what the fuck that gameplan was. I do not pretend to be an coach, but I think I could have come up with a better gameplan than that game. There is NO reason that you can give me that explains why our best player had 3 carries going into halftime. There were so many wasted series in that game. It was truly frustrating. I don't know if we would have won that game, however I do think we could have hung into the 4th and made it a game with a decent gameplan.
No.
Roof needs to go, but I applaud his efforts in this game. This one was on Gus.
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All of it. Fucking Mickey mouse offense today and the qb was the court jester.
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This isn't the same offensive coordinator Chizik hired.
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Wouldn't expect you to be able through the tears in your eyes. You've been crying for 13 weeks now. You're a typical arm chair quarterback that has never played the game in your life, but you know everything that's why your a coach, or that's why you can develop a better game plan from your living room.
Oooor he can tell that by year three, being young and lacking depth become less and less of a good excuse. Sure, Tubs left a bit of a mess, but the way AU has been recruiting, where's the player development?
How can Alabama, LSU, USCw, and other programs play young guys and they not run around like retards that can't cover a receiver?
I don't think talent or depth is AU's problem. It's fans like you, that don't have to ability to see that perhaps it's the coaching that can't get these kids in the proper place or teach them better.
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Oooor he can tell that by year three, being young and lacking depth become less and less of a good excuse. Sure, Tubs left a bit of a mess, but the way AU has been recruiting, where's the player development?
How can Alabama, LSU, USCw, and other programs play young guys and they not run around like retards that can't cover a receiver?
I don't think talent or depth is AU's problem. It's fans like you, that don't have to ability to see that perhaps it's the coaching that can't get these kids in the proper place or teach them better.
Damnit....I agree.
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Wouldn't expect you to be able through the tears in your eyes. You've been crying for 13 weeks now. You're a typical arm chair quarterback that has never played the game in your life, but you know everything that's why your a coach, or that's why you can develop a better game plan from your living room.
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Gus has stated before that he doesn't game plan. He just goes with whatever he feels will work at the time.
And Yoda, if Dyer is our best weapon (and I agree) then why did Gus not give him an opportunity to do something in the first half?
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Wouldn't expect you to be able through the tears in your eyes. You've been crying for 13 weeks now. You're a typical arm chair quarterback that has never played the game in your life, but you know everything that's why your a coach, or that's why you can develop a better game plan from your living room.
I hope you're drunk. Really really drunk. That, or you need to watch your DVR. Probably both. That performance went beyond "Well, we have a little youth". AU has recruited lights out the past few years. 1 of the 2 true freshmen playing on the OL was Reese Dismukes, the #1 center in the country coming out of high school last year. There should be some talent there. Good talent with inexperience will net you some close losses. 30 point blowouts? That's a fucking problem. I think that's part of what alot of people are trying to say. An extra year of experience doesn't bridge 30 point blowouts. Especially since as the year progresses, those blowouts don't get any better.
Everybody knows AU has some youth problems. More so than maybe any other team in the country. But as talented as these guys were coming out of high school, there should be something to show for it. Somewhere, something is wrong.
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I saw the reason for the 4 blowout losses last week. Senior day, and they announce all 12 of them...all but 5, I said "who?". No upperclass leadership to take charge in either huddle. When things start going downhill, the youngsters until they learn the team concept usually just say aww fuck mane, let's get this shit over so I can get laid. That, and the fact that a retarded monkey could play the QB spot better than either Trotter or Moseley.
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Oooor he can tell that by year three, being young and lacking depth become less and less of a good excuse. Sure, Tubs left a bit of a mess, but the way AU has been recruiting, where's the player development?
How can Alabama, LSU, USCw, and other programs play young guys and they not run around like retards that can't cover a receiver?
I don't think talent or depth is AU's problem. It's fans like you, that don't have to ability to see that perhaps it's the coaching that can't get these kids in the proper place or teach them better.
I dont think that our youth is an excuse, we suck that's the fucking point. If you want to blame coaching the only finger to be pointed s at Roof.
And it's fan like you who easily lose sight of the coaching that was done a year ago, oh wait it was a one man show. Cam picked up the team, put them on his back and carried them to Arizona.
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No not angry, that past about 6 weeks ago when I accepted the fact that this year was going to suck.
Point was that we lost the best offensive line in the country with the most experience last year and we did not have a QB. I knew our offense was going to struggle, hell all of the experts knew it. At the beginning of the season I only hoped our defense would have improved enough to keep us competitive, after week one I saw that wasn't the case.
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Let me start by saying that I spent the day in the woods hunting and listened to the game on the radio because I knew we didn't have a chance in this game. Now, I am sick of reading the bullshit on this board about our coaching staff and team. Yes we sucked, did you really expect anything different after losing your entire offensive line, the best offensive and defensive players in college football last year, and playing as many freshman and sophomore players as we have?
To be honest a lot of you are like fucking Bammers. We just won a National Fucking Championship. Yes it was a bad year. No we don't have a quarterback, we don't have an offensive line and we don't have a defense. Yes Roof must go. Our defense has been pathetic for 2 of the last 3 years. Are defense was only acceptable last year because of two or three players. Our defensive backs have not been taught how to tackle or look for a fucking ball in the air. Our linebackers are small. Our defensive line is small and can't get pressure on a six year old girl. Our front seven is also young, I'll accept that if they hit th off season and beef up.
Gus must go. NO. He probably will but, to blame him for our offensive play this year is fucking ridiculous. He has nothing to work with except Dyer. To think that Dyer is the second leading rusher in the SEC with our shitastic O line really tells you how good he is. How Trotter and Mosley got a scholarship to Auburn is beyond me. Gus knew the only fucking way we do anything against Bama's D is to get lucky and try to trick them. It didn't work. But let's think about it, Bama's D is scary good so is LSU's for different reasons. There was no way Dyer was going to power run behind our line against Bams front 7. We don't have a receiver that can catch, besides Blake. We don't have a line that would give a QB time to throw and even if we did we don't having a QB that can fucking throw. So how is that Gus's fault?
To be honest we could easily be 3-9 right now. So coming off of Thanksgiving weekend let's be thankful that we are not and have won seven games. Am I happy with that record, NO. But after watching this season and seeing the level of athletes we have right now I am content. After all I thought that we like to say we are not like the Fucktard Bams, I sure do see a lot of similarities on this board. Maybe I'm just being realistic, oh wait that is one thing Bammers are not.
Final thought, we had damn sure better recruit some key players on defensive line, linebackers, o line and a QB. The "young players" of this team better hit the weight room and some leaders need to emerge. The team is not all negative, I have seen glimmers of hope from some players, but the inexperience did show throughout the season. After key plays on offense stupid mistakes set them back in every game we played this year.
Now continue bitching but it won't change the facts.
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Gus has stated before that he doesn't game plan. He just goes with whatever he feels will work at the time.
And Yoda, if Dyer is our best weapon (and I agree) then why did Gus not give him an opportunity to do something in the first half?
Have you seen our offensive line block all year? What chance did they have against Bama's front that is bigger and stronger? I think we saw that when Dyer ran it out of the wildcat and couldn't get a half yard on 4th down. That would be an attempt at power running. Dyer has big yards on mis direction plays all year, was not going to work against speed and power on D, see LSU Auburn game for proof.
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Really good response. Outstanding, and that's the best you can come up with to the only sane post about our situation.
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Really good response. Outstanding, and that's the best you can come up with to the only sane post about our situation.
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Sane? Did he have a point or was he attacking me?
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Gus has stated before that he doesn't game plan. He just goes with whatever he feels will work at the time.
And Yoda, if Dyer is our best weapon (and I agree) then why did Gus not give him an opportunity to do something in the first half?
Gus is a series play caller. He has an overall plan. He doesn't script a plan. Nothing wrong with that.
Dyer? I assure you, if Dyer had been given the ball 30 times for 70 yards up the middle, you'd still be bitching about "the fucked up plan".
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Sane? Did he have a point or was he attacking me?
Yes to both. Your point was stupid.
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I dont think that our youth is an excuse, we suck that's the fucking point. If you want to blame coaching the only finger to be pointed s at Roof.
And it's fan like you who easily lose sight of the coaching that was done a year ago, oh wait it was a one man show. Cam picked up the team, put them on his back and carried them to Arizona.
If you're talking entire season, the whole staff gets a finger pointed at them.
If you're talking about last night, while the defense didn't play picture perfect by any means, it is the only thing that kept you guys even close to being in that game. That offense......man, I don't know what the fuck that was. It didn't make any sense I guess is the best way I could describe it. It was like somebody just started throwing shit out there to see if something stuck. Like there was no clear decisive plan of attack. As an Alabama fan, that shit was frustrating to watch. You keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, because you know it's only a matter of time until it gets firing on all cylinders, and it never happens. Where the fuck was Dyer? Where was the HUNH, which Alabama's style of defense particularly has problems with? What was the plan of attack on the defense? They're not perfect. There has to be something AU saw when planning and said, "This is what we need to do".
The defense will only take you so far when your offense can't move the ball, and keeps you on the field all game. For that matter, the defense scored more points than the offense last night. Roof probably does need to go at the end of this season, but as far as the Iron Bowl goes, that shit was on Malzahn.
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I hope you're drunk. Really really drunk. That, or you need to watch your DVR. Probably both. That performance went beyond "Well, we have a little youth". AU has recruited lights out the past few years. 1 of the 2 true freshmen playing on the OL was Reese Dismukes, the #1 center in the country coming out of high school last year. There should be some talent there. Good talent with inexperience will net you some close losses. 30 point blowouts? That's a fucking problem. I think that's part of what alot of people are trying to say. An extra year of experience doesn't bridge 30 point blowouts. Especially since as the year progresses, those blowouts don't get any better.
Everybody knows AU has some youth problems. More so than maybe any other team in the country. But as talented as these guys were coming out of high school, there should be something to show for it. Somewhere, something is wrong.
Expected from you, you are a typical Bam like I hear on the radio. Yes we have had great recruiting, in fact if you want to blame coaching on this team then the real problem comes in recruiting the wrong position. Who is the last big name defensive player that we recruited on defense that is not a DB? We have zero size on D line and at linebacker. I do not recall a Clowney on this team.
Dismukes came in yes great pick up one freshman under sized inexperienced playing with 4 other guys while older still inexperienced. We lost the BEST offensive line in the country last year with the most experience in the country. We lost (or were robbed) of the other lineman we desperately needed last year. As great as Cam is, everyone fails to mention that he was behind a great group of players last year. To think that we would have won a National Title without that offensive line is fucking dumb.
I will agree with you, that was not Auburn football. But we do not have a defense that will allow us to play Auburn football, that is the fault of coaching.
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If you're talking entire season, the whole staff gets a finger pointed at them.
If you're talking about last night, while the defense didn't play picture perfect by any means, it is the only thing that kept you guys even close to being in that game. That offense......man, I don't know what the fuck that was. It didn't make any sense I guess is the best way I could describe it. It was like somebody just started throwing shit out there to see if something stuck. Like there was no clear decisive plan of attack. As an Alabama fan, that shit was frustrating to watch. You keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, because you know it's only a matter of time until it gets firing on all cylinders, and it never happens. Where the fuck was Dyer? Where was the HUNH, which Alabama's style of defense particularly has problems with? What was the plan of attack on the defense? They're not perfect. There has to be something AU saw when planning and said, "This is what we need to do".
The defense will only take you so far when your offense can't move the ball, and keeps you on the field all game. For that matter, the defense scored more points than the offense last night. Roof probably does need to go at the end of this season, but as far as the Iron Bowl goes, that shit was on Malzahn.
No the defense did not keep us in the game, special teams and a poor Alabama play call left us in the game. If our defense could stop anybody on third down then I would agree.
Our defense made your offense look like a top notch offensive unit, which is not the case. Our Defense made a freshman D2 running back look like Bo Jackson. Our defense sucks period. Our offensive play calling has been suspect but when nothing will work what do you do? Even when we have had momentum lack of execution has killed us. If you want to say that is coaching, well fine but coaches aren't playing in the game.
The youth thing is not an excuse, but for our fan base to be all over a guy that coached us to an undefeated season, national title, and Gris an winner is just crazy. Yes changes need to be made. If they are not made nextyear then yes look for another coach.
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Hey, if you'd have preferred Gus to beat his head against a brick wall, then fine, own up to it. If you think "playcalling" or "scheme" is at fault here, then you're stupid.
Why not Dyer all day long? http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamrushdef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
We KNOW we have no QB, but still it's all about the "play calling," right? Gus has to go! Fuck a National Championship! He fucking sux! Give him Cam Newton, and all he does is produce! The response? "It was all Cam". I got news for you, you can fuck up coaching talent, and the 2003 Auburn Tigers are living proof.
Give Roof Nick Fairley, and Zach Claytton and he has a mediocre defense on his best day.
Recognize it for what it is, and quit trying to fire everybody. Roof has a solid body of fucked up work. Malzahn, the reason he'll still get a good job with load of cash? Football people know he can coach, and they know why he's not producing this year...nothing to work with.
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Gus is a series play caller. He has an overall plan. He doesn't script a plan. Nothing wrong with that.
Dyer? I assure you, if Dyer had been given the ball 30 times for 70 yards up the middle, you'd still be bitching about "the fucked up plan".
Agree 100%
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Hey, if you'd have preferred Gus to beat his head against a brick wall, then fine, own up to it. If you think "playcalling" or "scheme" is at fault here, then you're stupid.
Why not Dyer all day long? http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamrushdef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
We KNOW we have no QB, but still it's all about the "play calling," right? Gus has to go! Fuck a National Championship! He fucking sux! Give him Cam Newton, and all he does is produce! The response? "It was all Cam". I got news for you, you can fuck up coaching talent, and the 2003 Auburn Tigers are living proof.
Give Roof Nick Fairley, and Zach Claytton and he has a mediocre defense on his best day.
Recognize it for what it is, and quit trying to fire everybody. Roof has a solid body of fucked up work. Malzahn, the reason he'll still get a good job with load of cash? Football people know he can coach, and they know why he's not producing this year...nothing to work with.
There are people with football IQ on this board.
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There are people with football IQ on this board.
Yes, there are. They're not calling for Malzahn's head.
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Yes, there are. They're not calling for Malzahn's head.
We will lose him anyway.
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We will lose him anyway.
Yep
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Guys Malzahn had an undefeated championship season and players that won awards!!! Has Roof done that?! Off with his head!!!!111!
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The fact that you are willing to sit back and accept what's happened this season makes you look like a pussy.
"Well we won the title last year. I'm good for another 50 years, so long as we compete every few years!"
Fuck that bull shit! I thought you were the mighty AU?
Make excuses when you lose about inexperience? There are a lot of teams out there that win with that, or hell, keep it fucking close!
Alabama fans get a bad rap, some deserved, about excepting too much... But in that, if shit isn't going the way the fans and higher ups think it should, what happens? GET THE FUCK OUT!
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Gus has stated before that he doesn't game plan. He just goes with whatever he feels will work at the time.
And Yoda, if Dyer is our best weapon (and I agree) then why did Gus not give him an opportunity to do something in the first half?
Auburn has recruited the type of talent it wanted on both sides of the ball for three seasons.
Defending the pass stands out as our achilles because it has been evident against even the weakest teams.
An unopposed TD pass has the same effect on a team as a KO return.
We have plenty of fight overall but we are small (v. other SEC West teams) and lack in fundamentals.
The offense has many of the same flaws however Malzahn has been granted an advantage on the offensive side of the ball (incl. a gaggle of ill-used scatbacks) while it appears to me at least that Roof is doing it on a shoestring especially at LB and DT.
The current list of verbal recruits show little change in the true areas of need.
note: a team that is no threat to throw the ball might consider recruiting a fullback or two instead of risking one of the best pair of hands on the team as a battering ram.
Phillip Lolley has an army (db's) as does Trooper Taylor (wr's).
But I am as disappointed in Jeff Grimes' group as any because this is a guy who picks out five and sticks with them throughout. That's all fine and dandy if you have an aggressive bunch of ironmen in a pro-style offense.
note: our best blocker was a h.s. TE who would have rarely seen the field except in short yardage and based on the choice of plays called at various junctures Saturday he might never see the field at all. I haven't paid close enough attention to our center but I've seen enough of the others.
I can't speak enough to the value of Michael Dyer to this team. And OMac is generally the fastest guy on the field. When your best receiver (Blake) is marginalized by superior talent and your H-back is busy imitating a guard and you have no other direction to turn you have to give your best player the ball. (Dyer can gain three yards w/o much assistance and OMac can still beat a prepared defense to the sidelines for at least five yards much of the time)
Gus has stated that he doesn't gameplan.
This goes back to Cam Newton who by definition as a dual-threat QB was HIS OWN FUCKING GAMEPLAN!
So I stand by my statements that our three QBs need help to at least manage the game but how is one to manage without a plan? When the camera panned to Malzahn on the sidelines at critical points of the game I immediately thought this is why we have such indecision at the QB position. And we should all expect better play from marginal talent when the OC is considered one of the most sought after offensive minds in the college game.
And as much as it pains me as a lifelong Auburn fan, it all points to the man in charge, Gene Chizik. I have grown to appreciate almost everything about the man, at least as much as I can perceive. I have never been lost to the fact that we had a veteran team last season, and arguably the two best players in college football. But we grew as a team with each win last season willed by the individual efforts of these two men and from that confidence Auburn became the best team in the country. That said, I have no reason to believe that the development and instruction of the talent level on this team can move us beyond fourth place in the west not only for one, but the next two seasons. And short of finding a couple of absolute game changers, Gene Chizik has to make some tough decisions in order to keep Auburn in the SEC Title hunt.
Call it bitching if you will but you need to come with something besides namecalling and facepalming icons to dispute the truth.
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The fact that you are willing to sit back and accept what's happened this season makes you look like a pussy.
"Well we won the title last year. I'm good for another 50 years, so long as we compete every few years!"
Fuck that bull shit! I thought you were the mighty AU?
Make excuses when you lose about inexperience? There are a lot of teams out there that win with that, or hell, keep it fucking close!
Alabama fans get a bad rap, some deserved, about excepting too much... But in that, if shit isn't going the way the fans and higher ups think it should, what happens? GET THE FUCK OUT!
What can we do to change it you fucking moron? Go choke on a cock.
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Let me start by saying that I spent the day in the woods hunting and listened to the game on the radio because I knew we didn't have a chance in this game. Now, I am sick of reading the bullshit on this board about our coaching staff and team. Yes we sucked, did you really expect anything different after losing your entire offensive line, the best offensive and defensive players in college football last year, and playing as many freshman and sophomore players as we have?
To be honest a lot of you are like fucking Bammers. We just won a National Fucking Championship. Yes it was a bad year. No we don't have a quarterback, we don't have an offensive line and we don't have a defense. Yes Roof must go. Our defense has been pathetic for 2 of the last 3 years. Are defense was only acceptable last year because of two or three players. Our defensive backs have not been taught how to tackle or look for a fucking ball in the air. Our linebackers are small. Our defensive line is small and can't get pressure on a six year old girl. Our front seven is also young, I'll accept that if they hit th off season and beef up.
Gus must go. NO. He probably will but, to blame him for our offensive play this year is fucking ridiculous. He has nothing to work with except Dyer. To think that Dyer is the second leading rusher in the SEC with our shitastic O line really tells you how good he is. How Trotter and Mosley got a scholarship to Auburn is beyond me. Gus knew the only fucking way we do anything against Bama's D is to get lucky and try to trick them. It didn't work. But let's think about it, Bama's D is scary good so is LSU's for different reasons. There was no way Dyer was going to power run behind our line against Bams front 7. We don't have a receiver that can catch, besides Blake. We don't have a line that would give a QB time to throw and even if we did we don't having a QB that can fucking throw. So how is that Gus's fault?
To be honest we could easily be 3-9 right now. So coming off of Thanksgiving weekend let's be thankful that we are not and have won seven games. Am I happy with that record, NO. But after watching this season and seeing the level of athletes we have right now I am content. After all I thought that we like to say we are not like the Fucktard Bams, I sure do see a lot of similarities on this board. Maybe I'm just being realistic, oh wait that is one thing Bammers are not.
Final thought, we had damn sure better recruit some key players on defensive line, linebackers, o line and a QB. The "young players" of this team better hit the weight room and some leaders need to emerge. The team is not all negative, I have seen glimmers of hope from some players, but the inexperience did show throughout the season. After key plays on offense stupid mistakes set them back in every game we played this year.
Now continue bitching but it won't change the facts.
I don't think Gus needs to go. I also think Roof needs to go. The blowout in this game doesn't bother me, I expected it. The only loss that bothers me this year was the one to UGA. Record wise we are about where I expected us. We lost a ton and we played really good teams.
Things that do bother me are...no offensive gameplan RWS is right it did look like he was throwing darts at a board to call plays. Lack of improvement, I wanted to see our team progress this year, instead it looked like we regressed.
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The fact that you are willing to sit back and accept what's happened this season makes you look like a pussy.
"Well we won the title last year. I'm good for another 50 years, so long as we compete every few years!"
Fuck that bull shit! I thought you were the mighty AU?
Make excuses when you lose about inexperience? There are a lot of teams out there that win with that, or hell, keep it fucking close!
Alabama fans get a bad rap, some deserved, about excepting too much... But in that, if shit isn't going the way the fans and higher ups think it should, what happens? GET THE FUCK OUT!
Are that fucking ignorant, or a Bam in orange and blue. Last I checked none of us Jay Jacobs. No one is saying that this is the best coaching staff in the country or that Chizik is he best head coach it is what it is. You can't fire a head coach one year after a national championship, that will send a program down faster than NCAA Violations . What fucking coach comes into a program after firing a three year coach that won a BCS title?
What other teams in the SEC are winning with young players (by the way that is by no means an excuse), oh USCe wait e beat them and they did not play any other team in the SEC worth a shit besides UGA in week two.
Should we be losing by 30, no but the decisions this coaching staff made in recruiting an offensive and defensive style of play worked for one year and blew up this year for a number of reasons. It is now time to regroup, change strategy and come out fighting with bigger, stronger, and more experienced players. Now if Chizik s out hunting or playing golf this coming month in stead of looking for a new D coordinator and probably a new O coordinator as well, then let next year be his last.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
It's like I think it and you write it.
Oh and I think it was 44 yards after 3 quarters as well.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
We looked liked a monkey fucking a football on offense last night and somebody needs to pay.
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We looked liked a monkey fucking a football on offense last night and somebody needs to pay.
I'm not gonna call for Gus to be gone, but I also won't be shedding any tears if he departs for chapel hill either.
That is all.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
IMO without a superb QB this offense is rendered dysfunctional. An offensive coordinator with no gameplan and showing indecision on the sidelines does nothing for the confidence of young players and it manifests itself on the field, most evident in the play of the QBs. I can accept youth and inexperience as our overall downfall this season but I do not expect drastic fundamental improvement for this team with a couple of firings. We have a shortfall of offensive line talent, an inordinate number of non-factors at wr, an overall undersized interior defensive line and LB's with little depth, and a stable of DB's that forgot how to effectively defend the pass. Teams have proven that you can survive on defense with three stellar players at the three levels and an offense can be transformed into a force with the right guy behind the center. It might only be a stop-gap measure but it is the quickest way to compete as a force in the SEC West until we achieve some size and maturity. And still, none of this addresses basic blocking and tackling.
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IMO without a superb QB this offense is rendered dysfunctional.
Paul Smith.
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I'm not gonna call for Gus to be gone, but I also won't be shedding any tears if he departs for chapel hill either.
That is all.
The biggest problem we have is Alabama. Bama has a down season they win 10 games....lose to a division team at home, Alabama finishes second in the West... they will play for and win the BCS championship. When we loss we get the absolute shit kick out of us and end up in Nashville.
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IMO without a superb QB this offense is rendered dysfunctional. An offensive coordinator with no gameplan and showing indecision on the sidelines does nothing for the confidence of young players and it manifests itself on the field, most evident in the play of the QBs. I can accept youth and inexperience as our overall downfall this season but I do not expect drastic fundamental improvement for this team with a couple of firings. We have a shortfall of offensive line talent, an inordinate number of non-factors at wr, an overall undersized interior defensive line and LB's with little depth, and a stable of DB's that forgot how to effectively defend the pass. Teams have proven that you can survive on defense with three stellar players at the three levels and an offense can be transformed into a force with the right guy behind the center. It might only be a stop-gap measure but it is the quickest way to compete as a force in the SEC West until we achieve some size and maturity. And still, none of this addresses basic blocking and tackling.
Moseley and trotter suck. But ga southern totally throws the qb excuse out the window. They aren't even div 1. And were more effective than us. 3-4 times as effective.
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Paul Smith.
Uh yeah that was Gus with something to prove. Same for Todd.
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Moseley and trotter suck. But ga southern totally throws the qb excuse out the window. They aren't even div 1. And were more effective than us. 3-4 times as effective.
I wouldn't want us to go triple option with very little chance to come back when we did get behind.
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Paul Smith.
Paul Smith was athletic. Trotsley is not.
Paul Smith could make reads and hit wide open receivers. Mosler can not.
Paul Smith was a threat to run. Trotsley is not.
Neither Mosler nor Trotsley would start at North Alabama. I'm not sure either would be guaranteed a starting position at Leroy.
Been watching AU football for a long, long time. I've seen some shitty QBs. I watched Tony Franklin turn Chris Todd into a pineapple. Chris Todd is a shitload better than a hybrid of these two guys.
These guys are worse than the Gabe Gross experiment of 1998.
Gross became Auburn's starting quarterback during last year's 3-8 season. Then-coach Terry Bowden grabbed the freshman midway through a game against Tennessee and sent him in for an injured Ben Leard.
Bowden said he didn't think Gross even knew any plays, but had no choice but to use him. Gross surprised everyone by giving Auburn a chance to upset the Volunteers, until his desperation pass at the end of the game fell short in a 17-9 loss.
He took the job away from Leard that day and started six of Auburn's games. He threw for 1,222 yards and seven touchdowns on an offensively challenged team.
I'd take Gabe Gross today.
The Malzahn offense doesn't need a "superb" quarterback. It does, however, need one that is at the very minimum capable.
Name one single fucking thing that Mosler/Trotsley does well?
Pass? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Run? BAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAAA
Avoid Pressure? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
Make the right read? HAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA
The failure of this offense begins there. It ends there. And it's everything inbetween.
Young OL? We could overcome that if any of our QBs could hit a slant route or hitch. You know, keep the defense from stacking 11 in the box.
Young D? Could overcome that by grinding out a few first downs, putting some points on the board.
We don't have a quarterback. We have three that equal zero. Less than zero. That's the frightening prospect. Because that's not going to change.
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Uh yeah that was Gus with something to prove. Same for Todd.
So what you meant to say was:
without a superb QB this offense is rendered dysfunctional...unless Gus wants to prove something...or I need to modify this statement further at some other time.
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The biggest problem we have is Alabama. Bama has a down season they win 10 games....lose to a division team at home, Alabama finishes second in the West... they will play for and win the BCS championship. When we loss we get the absolute shitake kick out of us and end up in Nashville.
That's kind of the point I was trying to make. A down season with how you guys recruit and what you pay your coaches, should be at least 8 to 9 wins before a bowl.
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That's kind of the point I was trying to make. A down season with how you guys recruit and what you pay your coaches, should be at least 8 to 9 wins before a bowl.
And a down year with what you pay your players is 2011.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
I think this is a big point everybody is trying to make. Alabama is not perfect by any means. As much as I hate to admit it, Georgia Southern gave Bama's D a run for their money. Of course, when you run a triple option offense, you're going to get some rushing yards against any defense. But honestly? They put up more of a fight than Auburn. And that's total horseshit. Watching that game, no shit, I'm frustrated for you guys. If that was my team, I would be fucking infuriated.
AU has a pretty good coaching staff. Alot better than most teams in DI football, I think. Sure, there is youth. But there should be SOMETHING to show for it. That statement that Yoda made about not landing high profile recruits on the defense, outside of DBs? Seriously? Lemonier? Whitaker? That's 1/2 of the starting DL who are Sophomores, who were in the top 5 in their position coming out of HS. Outside of that, you have another 4* and a 3* as starters. Then you have two 4* guys in Gabe Wright (frosh) and Craig Sanders (sophomore). These guys were studs coming out of HS. Are they busts? What year should you start expecting some results from some highly talented guys? Their senior year?
As far as QB goes, obviously you guys don't have a QB. Why? Trotter is a JR. He has been in this system for 3 years now. Moseley is a Sophomore. He has been in the system 2. While McCarron isn't a worldbeater by any means, he's certainly serviceable. He's a true sophomore. I think that's moreso why people are pissed about the QB play. You have guys that have been in the system 2-3 years. You've had time to evaluate them. You should know whether they will work or not. You shouldn't just arrive at this season and say "Well, shit.....didn't see that coming." Which means you recruit. There may be hope for Frazier, since he gets a pass this season. But if he doesn't perk up? This shit is going to snowball for the next few years. THAT is where alot of anger comes from, I think.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
Ga. Southern runs an unconventional offense. And by the way, Saban fucking despises having to play defense against it. I know for a fact he's turned down games vs teams that run that offense. The only reason they played Ga Southern is because when they agreed to the game, Ga Southern was a spread Air Raid team. We got people on this board that believe that flexbone offense wouldn't work in the SEC. Oh by the way, Ga Southern lost.
Gus had 2 options vs bammer, who has no real defensive weakness. Go with the base plan, and pound his head against a brick wall, or try to do something they've not seen on film, and hope something broke loose. He chose the latter. He also chose not to run fast pace. Good call IMHO. Not that it mattered.
I know I'm wasting my time (not directing that specifically at you GF) saying this...AGAIN...Gus' roots are in the Wing T. His offense is pretty much the Gun Wing T. Where the under center Wing T uses ball fakes, hiding the ball with the QB's back turned to the line of scrimmage, and misdirection, Gus uses motion and ball fakes. Wing T guys philosophy is "I'll run this, until you make the adjustment to stop it, then I'll take advantage of the predictable adjustment." When Gus doesn't have a run threat at QB, he basically has 5 base runs. Power, Counter, Zone, Power Sweep, and Speed Sweep. The speed sweep is severely compromised with no run threat at QB because that's a play he'd prefer to read. (Remember OMac getting knocked the fuck out by a DE flying up field when faking the speed sweep...that's why...DCs are funneling everything back inside) It can be run, and we did last night. The power sweep is a countermeasure to the adjustment defenses make to stop Power and Counter. Trouble is, the only real threat we have is Dyer, and he's running behind a bad OL, so, DCs are not having to adjust to stop power, they can play base, and are willing to let him have 3-4 yards up the middle. With ZERO threat in the play action passing game because our QBs fucking suck, Gus is left trying to invent ways to get the ball on the edges. See all the screen and RB flair routes.
Early in the season, nobody knew our weaknesses. They had to play us straight up. By midseason, they knew we had no play action pass threat, and that if they simply kept our run game inside they'd make us one dimensional. It's why it appears we've regressed. In reality, we've simply not improved much, and DCs can load the box against us with no worries.
You can talk about scheme, play calling, "coaching 'em up" all you want. Gus has jack squat to work with. I firmly believe that OL will improve greatly with off season workout, and experience. It will make a huge difference.
QB? I think we need to be scouring the JUCOs for a QB. I just have a feeling that Frazier doesn't have it, or they'd have played him more in a conventional role since they burned his red shirt. I mean shit, if he can't win the job from Trotter and Mosley...what the fuck? Pike? Let's hope he's as advertise AND the coaches can keep him out of trouble, but I fear he's the next coming of Stephen Garcia.
Youth isn't an excuse? Bullshit! You can't coach 2 or 3 years experience in 1, and you can't cram 2 or 3 offseason workouts in to 1. It's not merely playing a few games that makes experience. You can't make an 18 year old as physically and mentally mature as a 21 year old, and it's why a Sr. laden team won the BCS title, and why a team that has 71 scolarship players that is 2/3s Fr. and Soph. looks like a bunch of Fr. and Soph. When you have people falsely claiming teams like LSU and Clemson are as young as we are, you have to know that youth matters for people to tell those lies. Those teams are not nearly as young as us. The top 2 teams in the land are arguably LSU and Bammer. Neither starts a Fr. on either side of the ball. LSU starts 8 Sr, and Bammer starts 9. Auburn? Starts 3 Sr, and 2 Fr. The 2010 BCS Championship Tigers? Started 13 Sr (Not counting the Punter), and 1 Fr (Dyer, taking over a Sr's. slot mid-season due to fumbleitis). Sit in your arm chair and spout off about "youth is no excuse" all you want.
We've recruited well the last 3 years? Yes, and they're just now hitting the field. 24 Srs and 2 early NFL high round draft picks were the core last year. They were getting the playing and practice time.
Roof, he's had talent, and failed. Gus made the most of it when he's had it. Their bodies of work tell me all I need to know about each.
Call it making excuses, call it whatever you want. Age, and experience matter and can't be coached.
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Gus had 2 options vs bammer, who has no real defensive weakness.
You missed the Ga Southern game, then. Those bastards beat us on the outside so many times, it wasn't even funny. And it wasn't like the defense didn't know it was coming when they had been beaten over the head with it all game long.
It's just hard to swallow the youth and inexperience thing. Alabama still got to 10 wins last season replacing 7 out of 11 guys on defense, and had a mediocre at best offense. And those losses were somewhat close. Played a true freshman, a walk-on, and a few sophomores quite heavily. That's what I think people expect when you're talking youth. Miss on technique here and there. Miss an assignment. Not have that mental toughness to last that extra 5 minutes in a game. Choke in the big game. Etc, etc. Not 30 point blowouts, numerous times in a season. Not running around utterly lost. Youth is an OK thing to have, as long as that talent is actually there, and you have coaches that refine that talent.
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IMO without a superb QB this offense is rendered dysfunctional. An offensive coordinator with no gameplan and showing indecision on the sidelines does nothing for the confidence of young players and it manifests itself on the field, most evident in the play of the QBs. I can accept youth and inexperience as our overall downfall this season but I do not expect drastic fundamental improvement for this team with a couple of firings. We have a shortfall of offensive line talent, an inordinate number of non-factors at wr, an overall undersized interior defensive line and LB's with little depth, and a stable of DB's that forgot how to effectively defend the pass. Teams have proven that you can survive on defense with three stellar players at the three levels and an offense can be transformed into a force with the right guy behind the center. It might only be a stop-gap measure but it is the quickest way to compete as a force in the SEC West until we achieve some size and maturity. And still, none of this addresses basic blocking and tackling.
EVERY offense is dysfunctional with shitty a QB. Nothing new under the sun.
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You missed the Ga Southern game, then. Those bastards beat us on the outside so many times, it wasn't even funny. And it wasn't like the defense didn't know it was coming when they had been beaten over the head with it all game long.
If Nick had devoted the time to actually stopping the option with preparation they'd have stopped it. Nick fucking HATES playing against it, and knew he'd win even if they got some yards.
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Age, and experience matter and can't be coached.
Shouldn't be an excuse or a reason three years into a coach's tenure. Sorry.
It doesn't matter how well any of the rest of that team ages or improves. Without a quarterback who can at least occasionally make a throw? We're fucked like one of RWS' goats.
We start next year with Trotsley under center? Fucked.
We start the year with a green-ass freshman under center? Fucked.
Agree that we better find a juco kid or somebody who desperately wants to transfer. Fuck, does Brent Schaeffer or Jeremiah Masoli have any eligibility left?
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So what you meant to say was:
What I am saying is that Gus with Paul Smith, Case Keenum or Kellen Moore would most likely beat us.
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Shouldn't be an excuse or a reason three years into a coach's tenure. Sorry.
It doesn't matter how well any of the rest of that team ages or improves. Without a quarterback who can at least occasionally make a throw? We're fucked like one of RWS' goats.
We start next year with Trotsley under center? Fucked.
We start the year with a green-ass freshman under center? Fucked.
Agree that we better find a juco kid or somebody who desperately wants to transfer. Fuck, does Brent Schaeffer or Jeremiah Masoli have any eligibility left?
Yep, we have to find a QB, or the rest won't matter.
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Shouldn't be an excuse or a reason three years into a coach's tenure. Sorry.
So, you think you give Nick a 50 Fr. and Soph he wins it all?
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If Nick had devoted the time to actually stopping the option with preparation they'd have stopped it. Nick fucking HATES playing against it, and knew he'd win even if they got some yards.
You think he particularly likes playing against Gus' style (not that bullshit we saw yesterday; Gus' REAL offense)? You think they put 0 effort whatsoever into stopping Ga Southern? Especially with how bad LSU killed Alabama with that same option just a few weeks ago? You think he wasn't preparing for that shit at AU? Saban is too much of a dickhole to let some piddly team show him up again.
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So, you think you give Nick a 50 Fr. and Soph he wins it all?
If they are 50 freshmen and sophomores of his choosing, I would imagine it would be a better showing than yesterday. Not saying Nick Saban is the BEST COACH OF THE BEST TEAM IN THE WOOOOORRRRLLLLLD, but all we have seen over the years is when one guy goes out the door, there is a serviceable at worst replacement right behind him. Might make a mistake here and there, blow a coverage now and then, but doesn't run around with his head up his ass.
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You think he particularly likes playing against Gus' style (not that bullshit we saw yesterday; Gus' REAL offense)? You think they put 0 effort whatsoever into stopping Ga Southern? Especially with how bad LSU killed Alabama with that same option just a few weeks ago? You think he wasn't preparing for that shit at AU? Saban is too much of a dickhole to let some piddly team show him up again.
Beat them 45-21. I don't think he put much effort in to it because he knew the outcome. And a major reason he didn't is because preparing for that makes you do things you don't normally do defensively. In reality, he was simply trying not to fuck up the work that had been put in. He does still have a game left to play, and yes, in the back of his mind, he was thinking "Gus/Auburn are going to hit us with all kinds of shit we haven't seen, and I don't want to be ill prepared". Was he "scared"? No, but it was a concern that Auburn might show up, play the game of their lives, and do it running reverses, and trick shit.
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This is a sheep that I find adorable:
(http://dwellingintheword.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/27-lamb.jpg)
The sheep in this thread really enjoyed the ass pounding RWS and his ilk gave you last night.
Also to Yoda and JR and any other total moron that didn't read my post: Go back and read my post. Did I not say Gus could easily get it back? Did I not say that Gus is inventive and valuable when he has the right players?
But you chose to ignore the criticism I gave him and instead sent shockwaves of ad hominem attacks. Pathetic display from a few people in this thread. Not surprising. Most did migrate to here from AUNation.
Sheep.
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JR I am a huge Gus supporter and don't want him to go, however last night was not a Gus offense. I don't know what the fuck that was. Don't give me this bamas defense bullshit when Georgia fucking Southern ran for 300 yards. IMO a coach that is the highest paid coordinator in the nation should be able to exploit weaknesses. For us to have 40 yards total offense at halftime is pathetic. We scored NO offensive points. This game could have easily been 42-0.
We don't even run fast paced anymore.
And don't get me started on wasted timeouts.
^^This times fifteen tens.^^
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This is a sheep that I find adorable:
(http://dwellingintheword.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/27-lamb.jpg)
The sheep in this thread really enjoyed the ass pounding RWS and his ilk gave you last night.
Also to Yoda and JR and any other total moron that didn't read my post: Go back and read my post. Did I not say Gus could easily get it back? Did I not say that Gus is inventive and valuable when he has the right players?
But you chose to ignore the criticism I gave him and instead sent shockwaves of ad hominem attacks. Pathetic display from a few people in this thread. Not surprising. Most did migrate to here from AUNation.
Sheep.
I'm the moron, yet I never once called out your name or quoted your original post. There are other people that have posted on this forum. But the world revolves around you my bad, I was not trying to hurt your feelings.
Bottom line we suck ass this year, but don't give up hope we did play a lot of young players and with a few of the right recruits and another D coordinator things can change. Most imortantly like everyone has stated a quarterback must be found.
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I'm the moron, yet I never once called out your name or quoted your original post. There are other people that have posted on this forum. But the world revolves around you my bad, I was not trying to hurt your feelings.
Bottom line we suck ass this year, but don't give up hope we did play a lot of young players and with a few of the right recruits and another D coordinator things can change. Most imortantly like everyone has stated a quarterback must be found.
You must have forgotten:
Wouldn't expect you to be able through the tears in your eyes. You've been crying for 13 weeks now. You're a typical arm chair quarterback that has never played the game in your life, but you know everything that's why your a coach, or that's why you can develop a better game plan from your living room.
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This is a sheep that I find adorable:
(http://dwellingintheword.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/27-lamb.jpg)
The sheep in this thread really enjoyed the ass pounding RWS and his ilk gave you last night.
Also to Yoda and JR and any other total moron that didn't read my post: Go back and read my post. Did I not say Gus could easily get it back? Did I not say that Gus is inventive and valuable when he has the right players?
But you chose to ignore the criticism I gave him and instead sent shockwaves of ad hominem attacks. Pathetic display from a few people in this thread. Not surprising. Most did migrate to here from AUNation.
Sheep.
Where did I attack you personally, or call you a moron?
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Where did I attack you personally, or call you a moron?
You know what you said, JR! And you cut me deep.
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You know what you said, JR! And you cut me deep.
So, you admit it, I didn't call you a moron or personally attack you?
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So, you admit it, I didn't call you a moron or personally attack you?
You seriously going to go that route?
I know it's not a personal attack in legal terms, but what the fuck else would you call it when a person writes off an argument (seemingly without reading it) by saying "Your point was stupid."
And my comment was more directed towards Yoda who for some reason went apeshit and committed the unforgivable sin of comparing an Auburn fan (me or anyone else) to a bammer.
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I want in person attacks only.
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You seriously going to go that route?
I know it's not a personal attack in legal terms, but what the fuck else would you call it when a person writes off an argument (seemingly without reading it) by saying "Your point was stupid."
And my comment was more directed towards Yoda who for some reason went apeshit and committed the unforgivable sin of comparing an Auburn fan (me or anyone else) to a bammer.
As long as you admit it. :poke:
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You seriously going to go that route?
I know it's not a personal attack in legal terms, but what the fuck else would you call it when a person writes off an argument (seemingly without reading it) by saying "Your point was stupid."
And my comment was more directed towards Yoda who for some reason went apeshit and committed the unforgivable sin of comparing an Auburn fan (me or anyone else) to a bammer.
I actually think he called El Guapo a Bammer, when in fact, El Guapo IS a bammer.
Carry on.
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So, you think you give Nick a 50 Fr. and Soph he wins it all?
Hell no but 5 blowout losses????
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Hell no but 5 blowout losses????
It's not 5 blowouts, but I get the sentiment. Fact is, we lost badly to Alabama, and LSU, who are head and shoulders above the rest of the country, Ark, who was in the NC hunt until yesterday, UGA who won the East, and may be, I say MAY be, better than thought, and Clemson who was in the NC hunt late. We exceeded everybody's expectations for W/L record, and NO, I'M NOT proud of the last few games. Fact is, we all knew this was coming, and yet some act like, after the fact, it's a compete shock.
Is Malzahn infallible? No. I sometimes catch myself saying "what the fuck" at some plays, but overall, and especially considering his body of work, he's NOT the problem.
I saw a Def. get beat badly on completely blown assignments on 2 TDs and one 2 point conversion yesterday. Completely blown assignments.
I saw an offense that is completely hapless, mostly, MOSTLY because of no QB. The OL sux, but if the QB was ANY threat to complete a pass beyind the line of scrimmage, the defenses would have to play us differently, and the OL would be a bit better, though they'd still not be good.
To GF: "bama's defense isn't THAT good". Yeah, they are. The ONLY team, IF i looked at stats correctly, to get over 300 yards of offense against them? Ga. Southern. An FCS team. A triple option team they played just before the iron bowl. They held LSU and Ark t under 250 yds, each, held Ark to 14 points and LSU to 6 in regulation. The most points given up? 21, to? Ga. Southern. LSU is the top scoring offense in the SEC, and Ark is the top total offense in the SEC. They're THAT good.
"They didn't develop a QB"...Ok whatever, they couldn't develop me as a QB either, and I'd give it my all, plus a testicle to be Auburn's QB. Shit happens. You practice, you work them out, you drill them over an over, you show them film, but they have to go out and execute. I saw Mosley literally fall down yesterday when a bammer DE came NEAR him. Didn't fucking touch him, hand just caused a breeze to blow him down. Truth be told, he probably shit his pants. I said 2 years ago that if Mosley ever took a meaningful snap as a QB at Auburn, it would be because we were in dire straights. I was right. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
That's my take. We'll get better. If we're no better than an 8 win team the next 2 years, then I will probably change my mind. I think things will get better, and if we win 8 this year, it will be about what I expected. The SECW was brutal this year. If you haven't noticed, we're better in the conference record department this year than we were in 2009. And we actually had a serviceable QB that year.
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It's not 5 blowouts, but I get the sentiment. Fact is, we lost badly to Alabama, and LSU, who are head and shoulders above the rest of the country, Ark, who was in the NC hunt until yesterday, UGA who won the East, and may be, I say MAY be, better than thought, and Clemson who was in the NC hunt late. We exceeded everybody's expectations for W/L record, and NO, I'M NOT proud of the last few games. Fact is, we all knew this was coming, and yet some act like, after the fact, it's a compete shock.
Is Malzahn infallible? No. I sometimes catch myself saying "what the fuck" at some plays, but overall, and especially considering his body of work, he's NOT the problem.
I saw a Def. get beat badly on completely blown assignments on 2 TDs and one 2 point conversion yesterday. Completely blown assignments.
I saw an offense that is completely hapless, mostly, MOSTLY because of no QB. The OL sux, but if the QB was ANY threat to complete a pass beyind the line of scrimmage, the defenses would have to play us differently, and the OL would be a bit better, though they'd still not be good.
To GF: "bama's defense isn't THAT good". Yeah, they are. The ONLY team, IF i looked at stats correctly, to get over 300 yards of offense against them? Ga. Southern. An FCS team. A triple option team they played just before the iron bowl. They held LSU and Ark t under 250 yds, each, held Ark to 14 points and LSU to 6 in regulation. The most points given up? 21, to? Ga. Southern. LSU is the top scoring offense in the SEC, and Ark is the top total offense in the SEC. They're THAT good.
"They didn't develop a QB"...Ok whatever, they couldn't develop me as a QB either, and I'd give it my all, plus a testicle to be Auburn's QB. Shit happens. You practice, you work them out, you drill them over an over, you show them film, but they have to go out and execute. I saw Mosley literally fall down yesterday when a bammer DE came NEAR him. Didn't fucking touch him, hand just caused a breeze to blow him down. Truth be told, he probably shit his pants. I said 2 years ago that if Mosley ever took a meaningful snap as a QB at Auburn, it would be because we were in dire straights. I was right. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
That's my take. We'll get better. If we're no better than an 8 win team the next 2 years, then I will probably change my mind. I think things will get better, and if we win 8 this year, it will be about what I expected. The SECW was brutal this year. If you haven't noticed, we're better in the conference record department this year than we were in 2009. And we actually had a serviceable QB that year.
I agree with you JR. We have some help returning that hasn't seen the field in transfers, redshirts and the injured. We do need a QB and a hard nosed offensive line. There are missed assignments on defense and the coverage is still awful but they do throw their bodies around fearlessly and the defensive line seems to show signs of coming around. I don't know that a year will make the difference, but I trust that Chizik will make the right moves to keep Auburn competing at a high level. After all, this is the SEC and there is little choice.
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I actually think he called El Guapo a Bammer, when in fact, El Guapo IS a bammer.
Carry on.
Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?
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Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?
What is a plethora?
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What is a plethora?
I have many pinatas in the storeroom, each filled with little surprises.
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I do not have your superior intellect and education, but could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
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What is a plethora?
A veritable cornucopia. Duh!!
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A veritable cornucopia. Duh!!
Do you know what "nada" means?
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Do you know what "nada" means?
Isn't that a light chicken gravy?