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Title: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 22, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/south-park-censorship-.html (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/south-park-censorship-.html)

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April 22, 2010
'Muhammad' now a dirty word on 'South Park'

C1main_southparkstudios Now "South Park" can't even say the words "Prophet Muhammad."

After last week's episode of the Comedy Central series sparked a threat (and yes, it was certainly a threat) from a radical Islamic website, the network has cracked-down-for-their-own-good on creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone during last night's continuation of the show's storyline.

For those who missed the drama, the show's 200th episode last week mocked the one "celebrity" that the series has been largely unable to depict, the Prophet Muhammad, who was hidden from view in a bear costume. A U.S.-based website RevolutionMuslim.com then warned Parker and Stone they could end up like Theo Van Gogh (the Dutch filmmaker who was murdered by Muslim extremists after depicting Muhammad on his show) and even posted the address of the show's production office. The site has since been shut down.

Last night, "South Park" continued the controversial Muhammad storyline, but with a key difference: every instance of the words "Prophet Muhammad" was bleeped out, making the episode practically incomprehensible, especially to anybody who missed the previous week.

The character of Muhammad was once again also hidden from view, covered by a large block labeled "censored."

A Comedy Central spokesperson confirmed it was the network's decision to bleep the words.

The Muhammad content is also not available on the South Park Studios website.

A message on the site states: "We do not have network approval to stream our original version of the show. We will bring you a version of [episode] 201 as soon as we can."

Ironically, "South Park" apparently shows an image of the Prophet Muhammad briefly in its opening credits that has gone largely unnoticed.

UPDATE: Parker and Stone comment on "South Park" censorship:

    In the 14 years we've been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn't stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn't some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyle's customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didn't mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. We'll be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and we'll see what happens to it.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 22, 2010, 07:01:31 PM
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/showbiz/2010/04/21/ac.griffin.south.park.threat.cnn (http://cnn.com/video/?/video/showbiz/2010/04/21/ac.griffin.south.park.threat.cnn)

Watch this video.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 22, 2010, 07:05:28 PM
The thing about it was, the whole point of the episode was to incorporate tons of old episodes into one single plot line.

They did the Super Best Friends thing back in 2001 (link (http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/504/)) where they showed Mohammad, and have a short clip from that episode in the opening credits every week, and no one has said a word about that.

(http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/religion.png)
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Wishbone on April 22, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
Typical.... The guys make fun of Christians and other easy target but when the shit hits the fan they curl up in the fetal.  And I'm agnostic BTW.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 22, 2010, 07:16:10 PM
Typical.... The guys make fun of Christians and other easy target but when the shit hits the fan they curl up in the fetal.  And I'm agnostic BTW.
Perhaps you missed the point.

Trey & Matt didn't curl up shit.

Comedy Central did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/25/matt-stone-trey-parker-ar_n_475744.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/25/matt-stone-trey-parker-ar_n_475744.html)
Quote from: Trey Parker
"I think Comedy Central totally fucking pussed out. Now, they weren't any different than anyone else, so it's not like you can single them out. But I think it would've been an important statement for one media outlet in America to stand up. That was one of my most disappointing moments as an American--the American press's reaction to the Muhammad cartoons. It was completely wimpy," Matt Stone said. "Cartoonists, people who do satire--we're not in the army, we're never going to be fucking drafted and this is our time to stand up and do the right thing. And to watch the New York Times, Comedy Central, everybody just go 'No, we're not going to do it because basically we're afraid of getting bombed' sucked. I was so disappointed"
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Wishbone on April 22, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
These guys only tip over acceptable sacred cows.  Why don't they ever tackle the obvious ones like Black culture? 
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 22, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
Oh noes.  Where will Chizad and his merry band get their hard news now that South Park is censored?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Token on April 22, 2010, 08:09:58 PM
These guys only tip over acceptable sacred cows.  Why don't they ever tackle the obvious ones like Black culture? 

You know back before the war broke out I was a saucier in San Antone. I bet I could collar up some of them greens, yeah, some crawfish out the paddy, yo'! Ha! I'm makin' some crabapples for dessert now, yo! Hell yeah, ha!
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Wishbone on April 22, 2010, 08:15:27 PM
Token,
African-American please!
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: BZ770 on April 22, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
(http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Memorabilia/images/Uncle_Tom_Says.jpg)
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Wishbone on April 22, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
Nicely played jewboy! (bz770 is my fraternity brother so don't get your panties in a wad)
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: CCTAU on April 22, 2010, 09:18:02 PM
Oh noes.  Where will Chizad and his merry band get their hard news now that South Park is censored?

LOL. Nice carry-over...
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Tiger Wench on April 22, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
The thing about it was, the whole point of the episode was to incorporate tons of old episodes into one single plot line.

They did the Super Best Friends thing back in 2001 (link (http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/504/)) where they showed Mohammad, and have a short clip from that episode in the opening credits every week, and no one has said a word about that.

(http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/religion.png)
Ummm... the "highlighted" character is actually Krishna.  The one in the orange turban standing to Jesus's left is Muhammad.

Yeah, I watch South Park religiously...

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 22, 2010, 11:35:52 PM
Ok.
These guys only tip over acceptable sacred cows.  Why don't they ever tackle the obvious ones like Black culture? 
Clearly you don't watch the show very regularly.

You obviously missed this episode. (With Appologies to Jesse Jackson)
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/102800 (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/102800)

And probably missed this one. (Here Comes the Neighborhood)
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103583 (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103583)

And this one...
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103559 (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103559) (Cartman's Silly Hate Crime)

Those are just a couple that stand out off the top of my head.

Oh noes.  Where will Chizad and his merry band get their hard news now that South Park is censored?
You're an idiot that doesn't deserve a response...
Ummm... the "highlighted" character is actually Krishna.  The one in the orange turban standing to Jesus's left is Muhammad.

Yeah, I watch South Park religiously...

 :rimshot:
He's not highlighted. Krishna's head is glowing, as he is usually depicted.
(http://devotionalonly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/shri-krishna-bhajan.jpg)
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 12:01:17 AM
Oh noes.  Where will Chizad and his merry band get their hard news now that South Park is censored?
Ok. I lied. You get a response.

Obviously, this came from this statement you made in another thread:
And you for proving that the sum total of your political knowledge is gleaned from South Park and Jon Stewart. 

God help us.

And this:
PPPS:  Your silly SouthPark clip is typical of the left agenda.  It takes a valid argument and spins it into something else entirely. Rather than addressing the legitimate issues, it resorts to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon.   

I know you're not that fucking stupid. So because I, or someone else, occasionally posts a clip from South Park when it is completely relatable to the discussion at hand, that is the "sum total of our political knowledge?" For a professional writer, you sure don't have a firm grip on the meaning and purpose of satire.

The only reason this irked me enough to respond is because you clearly know not of which you speak. Again.

Of all the television programs (not on Fox News) on national televison to call out for pushing a "typical left agenda", South Park would be the last on your list if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican)

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The phrase was coined by commentator Andrew Sullivan[1] in 2001. Sullivan identified himself as a South Park Republican after hearing that the program's creators had "outed" themselves as Republicans at an awards ceremony.

South Park co-creator Trey Parker is actually a registered member of the Libertarian Party.[2] Fellow co-creator Matt Stone sums up their views with the comment "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals."[3]
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2010, 08:57:32 AM
Ok. I lied. You get a response.

Obviously, this came from this statement you made in another thread:
And this:
I know you're not that fucking stupid. So because I, or someone else, occasionally posts a clip from South Park when it is completely relatable to the discussion at hand, that is the "sum total of our political knowledge?" For a professional writer, you sure don't have a firm grip on the meaning and purpose of satire.

The only reason this irked me enough to respond is because you clearly know not of which you speak. Again.

Of all the television programs (not on Fox News) on national televison to call out for pushing a "typical left agenda", South Park would be the last on your list if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican)


BAAA HAAAA HAAAAA...

Can't take a joke.  Typical. 
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 09:25:04 AM
BAAA HAAAA HAAAAA...

Can't take a joke.  Typical. 
Is the "can't take a joke" defense considered "addressing the legitimate issues" or "resorting to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon"?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Token on April 23, 2010, 11:11:07 AM
Is the "can't take a joke" defense considered "addressing the legitimate issues"

No, but deleting is.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 23, 2010, 11:12:07 AM
No, but deleting is.

ziiiiing
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:13:20 AM
No, but deleting is.
We have one rule.  Stop bleeding all over your panties and wrap it up.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:20:46 AM
Oh, and by the way Token, here is a present:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/14c8tvc.jpg)

Put it on...If you are going to act like a bitch you might as well dress like one.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Saniflush on April 23, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
Oh, and by the way Token, here is a present:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/14c8tvc.jpg)

Put it on...If you are going to act like a bitch you might as well dress like one.

snap.


and we have two rules.

bitch.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 23, 2010, 11:24:54 AM
We have one rule.  Stop bleeding all over your panties and wrap it up.

Honest quest...because I have no idea what was said. But how is whatever he said deleted, and then the "response" southpark video is left up?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:26:42 AM
snap.


and we have two rules.

bitch.
You impress me everyday.

Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
Honest quest...because I have no idea what was said. But how is whatever he said deleted, and then the "response" southpark video is left up?
Satire that is edited is different than blatant use of a word to offend...or to push the line.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Token on April 23, 2010, 11:29:31 AM
I speak for the black community and will decide what is racist and what isn't.

Consider it wrapped.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
Is the "can't take a joke" defense considered "addressing the legitimate issues" or "resorting to an attempt to make anyone who disagrees appear to be an uneducated loon"?

I made a wisecrack.  You shit yourself. 

It was funny in the usual way.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:35:53 AM

I speak for the gaping vagina community and will decide what to cry over and what not to.
Glad we are in agreement.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 11:37:22 AM
I made a wisecrack.  You shit yourself. 

It was funny in the usual way.
"Wisecrack." I'll take that as "I'm wrong again but don't have the stones to admit it."
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 23, 2010, 11:38:11 AM
Satire that is edited is different than blatant use of a word to offend...or to push the line.

You have no clue in what context that is "edited" in. It is simply saying the word "black" over and over again. If I were black, it would offend me. Just like you saying the commercial over there is for "rednecks". I am no redneck (or southern baptist, in which you also included in your dismissal for stupid Alabama folks) by any means, but I can see the guys point of the commercial.

I am in the middle of you/Chad and the rest of the far right on this board. But you can't have one racist comment and censor the other. I think labeling someone as rednecks is racist.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 11:39:27 AM
Consider it wrapped.

If you truly don't understand the difference, then quite frankly, you're a simpleton.

I'm fairly positive that you do, and are just being an asshole.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 11:42:01 AM
I think labeling someone as rednecks is racist too.
This is the point he tried to make in the post in question, but was much more blunt about it.

And that's a completely asinine comparison.

We'd better delete any post where Auburn fan called any bammer a "redneck" because that is completely equivalent to "the N word".

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
You have no clue in what context that is "edited" in. It is simply saying the word "black" over and over again. If I were black, it would offend me. Just like you saying the commercial over there is for "rednecks". I am no redneck (or southern baptist, in which you also included in your dismissal for stupid Alabama folks) by any means, but I can see the guys point of the commercial.

I am in the middle of you/Chad and the rest of the far right on this board. But you can't have one racist comment and censor the other. I think labeling someone as rednecks is racist too.
Calling someone a cracker or honkey is racist.  By definition, calling someone a redneck is not racist because anyone from any race could be called a redneck.  The N-Word is used specifically for African Americans, similar to cracker for Caucasians.  

I said the commercial was stupid.  I never said that Baptists were stupid, but even if I did that has nothing to do with race and isn't prohibited.  We don't have a rule against bashing religions/denominations...just saying.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2010, 11:47:09 AM
Calling someone a cracker or honkey is racist.  By definition, calling someone a redneck is not racist because anyone from any race could be called a redneck.  The N-Word is used specifically for African Americans, similar to cracker for Caucasians.  

I said the commercial was stupid.  I never said that Baptists were stupid, but even if I did that has nothing to do with race and isn't prohibited.  We don't have a rule against bashing religions/denominations...just saying.

I disagree.  I have heard many whites and some canines referred to as N******.   In fact, I saw it twice on Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 23, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Calling someone a cracker or honkey is racist.  By definition, calling someone a redneck is not racist because anyone from any race could be called a redneck.  The N-Word is used specifically for African Americans, similar to cracker for Caucasians.  

I said the commercial was stupid.  I never said that Baptists were stupid, but even if I did that has nothing to do with race and isn't prohibited.  We don't have a rule against bashing religions/denominations...just saying.

Fair enough. I still think the southpark thing should be erased.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
"Wisecrack." I'll take that as "I'm wrong again but don't have the stones to admit it."

No, you should take it as "Chiz is hysterical"  

Nice word thrashing, btw.  It went as I predicted after the first entry. 


Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: wesfau2 on April 23, 2010, 11:56:02 AM
Without commenting on this current dispute, I will say this:

There are TWO fucking rules here.  The moderators are charged with enforcing them as they see fit.

You can say just about anything under the sun.  You can call each other cum-belching, bull-raping, sons of motherless goats.

If you're pushing the envelope, it'll probably get deleted.  If you're too stupid to realize that it's offensive, then you should go somewhere that will hold your hand.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Token on April 23, 2010, 11:57:07 AM
Calling someone a cracker or honkey is racist.  By definition, calling someone a redneck is not racist because anyone from any race could be called a redneck.  The N-Word is used specifically for African Americans, similar to cracker for Caucasians.  

I said the commercial was stupid.  I never said that Baptists were stupid, but even if I did that has nothing to do with race and isn't prohibited.  We don't have a rule against bashing religions/denominations...just saying.

Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "redneck" to demean anyone who agreed with the position.  

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand.  

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off.  

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner.  
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 23, 2010, 11:59:12 AM
Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "term" redneck to demean anyone who agreed with the position.  

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand.  

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off.  

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner.  

Sure it does to the "enlightened" around here.   :taunt:
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 23, 2010, 12:01:14 PM
Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "term" redneck to demean anyone who agreed with the position.  

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand.  

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off.  

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner.  

Well said...
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 12:04:50 PM
Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "term" redneck to demean anyone who agreed with the position. 

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand. 

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off. 

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner. 
1. That post was in response to War Eagle!!

2. I'm pretty sure I expressed the redneck thing above.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck is just like calling someone an ignorant bitch.  Bitch is not racist, and neither is redneck. They are demeaning, but guess what, that is what this website is about.  No restrictions.  If you don't appreciate demeaning words like you are a bleeding set of joker lips then go somewhere else... or grow a pair.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Token on April 23, 2010, 12:21:43 PM
  If you don't appreciate demeaning words like you are a bleeding set of joker lips then go somewhere else... or grow a pair.

 :thumsup:
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Godfather on April 23, 2010, 02:46:07 PM
These guys only tip over acceptable sacred cows.  Why don't they ever tackle the obvious ones like Black culture? 
Hellloooo Operation Black Shield?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 23, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "redneck" to demean anyone who agreed with the position.  

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand.  

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off.  

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner.  


What does the H stand for?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AWK on April 23, 2010, 03:40:25 PM

What does the H stand for?
Hoobastank.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Hoobastank.
Hussein.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 04:20:14 PM
Back to the original topic, here's an article from the LA Times about it.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-south-park-20100423,0,5617877,full.story (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-south-park-20100423,0,5617877,full.story)

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Threat against ‘South Park’ creators highlights dilemma for media companies

Comedy Central bleeped out all references to the prophet Muhammad in the show after he was depicted dressed as a bear. The show’s creators disagreed strongly with the decision.

By Scott Collins and Matea Gold, Los Angeles Times

April 23, 2010

In its 200 shows, the irreverent animated program "South Park" has mercilessly satirized Christianity, Buddhism, Scientology, the blind and disabled, gay people, Hollywood celebrities and politicians of all persuasions, weathering the resulting protests and threats of boycotts.

FOR THE RECORD: Threat to "South Park" creators: An article in Friday's Section A about the Comedy Central network's response to an online threat by radical Muslims made against "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone said a clip of an interview with Parker and Stone was posted on the website boingboing.com. The website's correct address is boingboing.net.

But this week, after an ominous threat from a radical Muslim website, the network that airs the program bleeped out all references to the prophet Muhammad in the second of two episodes set to feature the holy figure dressed in a bear costume. The incident provides the latest example that media conglomerates are still struggling to balance free speech with safety concerns and religious sensitivities, six years after Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was slain for making a film critical of Islamic society.

Comedy Central declined to comment on the latest incident. But "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone clearly disagreed with their bosses' handling of the situation. A statement posted on their website said that executives "made a determination to alter the episode" without their approval and that the usual wrap-up speech from one character didn't mention Muhammad "but it got bleeped too."

The network may have thought it had no choice after revolutionmuslim.com, the website of a fringe group, delivered a grim warning about last week's episode, which depicted Muhammad dressed as a bear.

"We have to warn Matt and Trey that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show," the posting said. A photo of Van Gogh's body lying in the street was included with the original posting, which has been unavailable to some Web users since news of the item broke earlier this week. "This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them."

Experts say that in trying to forestall such threats, media companies may be setting dangerous precedents — a possibility underscored by the fact that "South Park" has strirred up a free-speech issue that, while dormant for years, has now exploded anew.

UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh said that although he sympathizes with the predicament faced by Comedy Central, the network has potentially empowered other extremists by how it has chosen to handle the situation.

"The consequence of this position is that the thugs win and people have more incentive to be thugs," said Volokh, who teaches free speech and religious freedom law. "There are lots of people out there who would very much like to get certain kind of material removed, whether religious or political. The more they see others winning, the more they will be likely to do the same. Behavior that gets rewarded gets repeated."

In 2005, an uproar over Muhammad cartoons in a Danish newspaper rocked Europe and the media industry worldwide, with many newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, declining to publish the materials that some found offensive. One of the cartoons showed the prophet wearing a bomb as a turban that was about to explode. Many Muslims believe that Islamic teachings forbid showing images of Muhammad.

Revolution Muslim, the extremist group that issued the graphic warning, is a relatively small fringe organization based out of New York, said Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

The organization, which formed in 2007 and includes about a dozen members, is mostly known for posting inflammatory and often threatening comments on its website, including a poem last October during the Jewish High Holy Days asking God to kill all the Jews. Its members also stage protests in front of New York mosques, advocating a more fundamentalist form of Islam.

The FBI was aware of the matter, but declined to comment.

The irony is that some of the group's postings could be construed as hate speech and therefore raise their own free-speech issues.

"This group definitely crosses the line, or is right on the line, in terms of what is acceptable speech," Segal said. "There is no direct link between this group and violence yet. But by posting this type of information, you never know who is going to take it seriously."

The ADL has identified Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, the blogger who posted the warning about "South Park," as Zachary A. Chesser, a former student at George Mason University who lives in Virginia and has become more active with Revolution Muslim in the last several months.

On April 15, he wrote on one of his Twitter accounts: "May Allah kill Matt Stone and Trey Parker and burn them in Hell for all eternity. They insult our prophets Muhammad, Jesus, and Moses."

Later, he posted a clip from an interview of Stone and Parker with the website boingboing.com, in which the host asked if they feared that they would be bombed for showing a depiction of the prophet Muhammad on their show.

Al-Amrikee noted: "Perhaps they are not, perhaps they should be, only time will tell."

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based civil rights and advocacy group, called Revolution Muslim "an extreme fringe group that has absolutely no credibility within the Muslim community.

"In fact, most Muslims suspect they were set up only to make Muslims look bad," Hooper said. "We just have very deep suspicions. They say such outrageous, irresponsible things that it almost seems like they're doing it to smear Islam."

He said he was aware of the recent depiction on "South Park" of Muhammad in a bear suit, but said CAIR has not issued any formal statement about the incident because the group doesn't want to give the show any more attention.

"People are pretty tired of this whole ‘Let's insult the prophet Muhammad thing,'" he said.

Segal said that although he does not expect the warning by Revolution Muslim to stir the kind of mass protests that followed the Danish cartoon controversy, he said the group's rhetoric must be taken seriously.

"You don't know what crazy person is going to respond," he said. "This is in context of a relatively silly, funny show, but a threat is a threat."

For fans of "South Park," the controversy has a familiar air. The show has taken great relish in attacking anyone the creators deem ridiculous or self-important, with celebrities and religion serving as favorite targets. In 2006, longtime cast member Isaac Hayes quit after the series lampooned Scientology.

A group of New Zealand bishops was so offended by the show's depiction of the Virgin Mary that it sought unsuccessfully to have the program banned. But "South Park" has run into more serious problems when making light of Islamic strictures against showing Muhammad.

In 2006, Comedy Central censored the producers' plans to depict the prophet in the episodes known as "Cartoon Wars."

Co-creator Stone, in an interview with boingboing.net, chided his employers in that case. "It's just sad," he said.

He also noted that paradoxically, the network continued to run an episode from an earlier season in which Muhammad is not only shown but speaks, along with Jesus of Nazareth, Buddha and other religious figures. "It was before the Danish cartoon controversy, so it somehow is fine," Stone said. "After that," he said, network self-censorship was "the new normal."
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 23, 2010, 04:38:50 PM
Hoobastank.

The man was way ahead of his time. :vn:
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: GarMan on April 23, 2010, 06:14:56 PM
Jesus H. Christ.  I said I wasn't going to comment on this any further, but I'm going to address this one post then I'll knock it off.

I didn't say redneck = slang term used against the African American race.  I said you guys USE the term redneck in the same manner.  Agreeing with Tim James' stance doesn't make someone a redneck.  You guys only used the term "redneck" to demean anyone who agreed with the position.  

Calling someone ignorant because they will vote for a person based on one opinion while disregarding all others is a legitimate claim.  Calling someone an ignorant redneck for the same reason is using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way.  It was used numerous times and had no relevance regarding the topic at hand.  

In essence, it was used in the same manner as the "other" word.  No purpose other than to demean people, their opinions and generally piss them off.  

I absolutely did NOT use the word in a demeaning manner.  

JACKPOT!  When the extent of their "morale compass" is defined by Oprah, The View, the lamestream media, John Stewart and The Colbert Report, that's the best they can do.  It's their modus operandi.  They know nothing else, and they respect nobody else's opinion unless it aligns with the beta-male way of thinking.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 23, 2010, 07:56:18 PM
JACKPOT!  When the extent of their "morale compass" is defined by Oprah, The View, the lamestream media, John Stewart and The Colbert Report, that's the best they can do.  It's their modus operandi.  They know nothing else, and they respect nobody else's opinion unless it aligns with the beta-male way of thinking.
You nailed it. I anxiously await each episode of Oprah and The View so I can know what my political opinion is. You're so intuitive.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: GarMan on April 23, 2010, 08:02:09 PM
You nailed it. I anxiously await each episode of Oprah and The View so I can know what my political opinion is. You're so intuitive.
Good news!  Rosie's coming back!!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/03/24/2010-03-24_latest_rosie_scenario_a_talk_show_next_year.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/03/24/2010-03-24_latest_rosie_scenario_a_talk_show_next_year.html)

Tell the truff...  That just made your weekend.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: bottomfeeder on April 24, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
FUCK Muhammad and all of the other religious icons. Religion is just another tool to control us.
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Aubie16 on April 24, 2010, 03:05:07 AM
FUCK Muhammad and all of the other religious icons. Religion is just another tool to control us.

Did I just agree with bottomfeeder? I'm not sure I feel about this...
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 24, 2010, 08:36:25 AM
FUCK Muhammad and all of the other religious icons. Religion is just another tool to control us.

"We must warn the person behind the username 'bottomfeeder' that his comments have put his life and his family's life in danger.  It's not a question of 'if' but rather 'when' the protectors of the Islam faith will seek retribution against this man for his comments."
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: Kaos on April 24, 2010, 10:31:39 AM
"We must warn the person behind the username 'bottomfeeder' that his comments have put his life and his family's life in danger.  It's not a question of 'if' but rather 'when' the protectors of the Islam faith will seek retribution against this man for his comments."

Good thing Chuzad doesn't know his address
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: AUChizad on April 24, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
Good thing Chuzad doesn't know his address
Explain this one. I'm Muslim now?
Title: Re: South Park Censored
Post by: wreckingball on April 24, 2010, 01:38:24 PM
Oh noes.  Where will Chizad and his merry band get their hard news now that South Park is censored?

Obviously you have gotten Chizad and AWK confused. Chizad gains all of his knowledge from Penn and Teller, not South Park. AWK uses South Park and the Daily Show.