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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: War Eagle!!! on January 16, 2010, 10:12:13 PM
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...is the best Qb to ever play in the NFL.
He is the team. He does more with as little as anyone I have ever seen. If I am a GM, of all time, he is BY FAR, my number 1 pick. There is no one better in the history of the NFL to build a team around.
If there is one, name him...
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Ryan Leaf.
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George Teague
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Easy.....Chris Todd. Second Choice, Daniel Cobb. Championship!!!
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I agree WE....
Its definitely not Tony Romo.... :sad: :rolleyes:
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...is the best Qb to ever play in the NFL.
I wouldn't go that far.
He might deserve a spot at the table, but he's not a lock to sit at the head of it. This is another of those "ignore history and deify for the moment" issues.
Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, John Elway and others, maybe even Marino, clearly belong in the conversation.
Manning is a serviceable, but not spectacular, quarterback. He really doesn't do anything all that well. Doesn't have a good arm, really, doesn't have good wheels. He just makes good decisions. Definitely doesn't like to get dirty and when pressured does get rattled.
If I'm picking, I'd probably take Elway and Bradshaw before Manning. But I also would have drafted Leaf over him, too.
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I wouldn't go that far.
He might deserve a spot at the table, but he's not a lock to sit at the head of it. This is another of those "ignore history and deify for the moment" issues.
Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, John Elway and others, maybe even Marino, clearly belong in the conversation.
Manning is a serviceable, but not spectacular, quarterback. He really doesn't do anything all that well. Doesn't have a good arm, really, doesn't have good wheels. He just makes good decisions. Definitely doesn't like to get dirty and when pressured does get rattled.
If I'm picking, I'd probably take Elway and Bradshaw before Manning. But I also would have drafted Leaf over him, too.
Bradshaw?
I mean. Yeah. The guy was a winner as was Montana. I don't think either of those guys would have done much on a team that wasn't laden with hall of fame talent.
But you did get one thing right about Manning - his decision making. I think his ability to read defenses and make the right decision is unmatched by anyone to ever play in this league.
He doesn't have the arm of Dan Marino or the gall of Brett Favre or the gunslinger mentality of John Elway, but if I need a quarterback to lead my franchise, I'm picking Peyton Manning in his prime.
Here's the five person table at The Gourmet Quarterback Club:
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Tom Brady
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Bradshaw?
You ever watch him play? He was crazy tough. Even with all the stars on the team, Bradshaw was what made it work. They were stars in some respect because of him, not in spite of him.
Yeah, I'd take Bradshaw. He was nuts.
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Bradshaw?
I mean. Yeah. The guy was a winner as was Montana. I don't think either of those guys would have done much on a team that wasn't laden with hall of fame talent.
But you did get one thing right about Manning - his decision making. I think his ability to read defenses and make the right decision is unmatched by anyone to ever play in this league.
He doesn't have the arm of Dan Marino or the gall of Brett Favre or the gunslinger mentality of John Elway, but if I need a quarterback to lead my franchise, I'm picking Peyton Manning in his prime.
Here's the five person table at The Gourmet Quarterback Club:
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Tom Brady
No Montana or Favre?
And I was drunk posting. I don't really remember posting that.
I agree WE....
Its definitely not Tony Romo.... :sad: :rolleyes:
Jeez..the Cowboys sucked yesterday.
As I say for every sport, for every team I follow, every year......
Wait till next year...
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You ever watch him play? He was crazy tough. Even with all the stars on the team, Bradshaw was what made it work. They were stars in some respect because of him, not in spite of him.
Yeah, I'd take Bradshaw. He was nuts.
I must admit - I was negative ten years old when Bradshaw started his run of championships. My opinion is based solely on commentary from NFL Films and what I've read about him.
Tidbit - Terry Bradshaw wanted to quit football before LA Tech because he wanted to marry my great aunt and live on a farm with her in Louisiana. She dumped him because she thought he was going to regret not pursuing football. At least, that's how my grandmother tells it.
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No Montana or Favre?
And I was drunk posting. I don't really remember posting that.
I used to like Favre a lot, but he's a bit reckless. I know that's his charm, but my five guys are less prone to lose a game by throwing interceptions.
As for Montana, he's a lot like Tom Brady in terms of winning, but I think Brady has more talent.
No question both of those guys could show up and get a meal at the table, but I can't knock any of my five guys off. Elway and Marino are way too talented. Manning is a safe pick. Brady gets the championship vote, and Unitas invented the NFL passing game.
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I'd have to go with Brett Farve. I have liked this guy as QB for some years. The dude is a senior citizen in terms of the NFL and is still lighting that arse up. Anybody see what he did to the Cowboys? Good grief, he made them look stupid.
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Also, who else could provide quality vocals like Manning?
"God dammit, Donald!" (Turn your speakers up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB52kUiHLeU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB52kUiHLeU#)
And who could forget...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPDNHCrPfM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPDNHCrPfM#)
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Manning is a serviceable, but not spectacular, quarterback. He really doesn't do anything all that well. Doesn't have a good arm, really, doesn't have good wheels. He just makes good decisions. Definitely doesn't like to get dirty and when pressured does get rattled.
If I'm picking, I'd probably take Elway and Bradshaw before Manning. But I also would have drafted Leaf over him, too.
You are wrong about the above assumption. He has a laser arm. Notice I said laser, not rocket. His accuracy and precision is unreal. And between the ears, he is probably the best that has ever played the game. He is smart - football smart. This guy can read defenses like a mofo. Which leads to him probably being the best in the game at adjustments and calling the right audibles. I think his brother probably runs the play action a little better because he is a better salesman at it, but Peyton is just a better body of work as a whole.
Never have I seen a QB play head games, chess if you want to call it, with DB's as much as he does. He will lock onto a receiver, and stay locked, and at this point will have the secondary eating out of his hand THINKING they know where he is going. BUT - the whole time HE knows where he is really going. And just like that, a change of direction to receiver Y or a Flanker while the double coverage went to the X options. Freaking brilliant.
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Manning is a serviceable, but not spectacular, quarterback. He really doesn't do anything all that well. Doesn't have a good arm, really, doesn't have good wheels. He just makes good decisions. Definitely doesn't like to get dirty and when pressured does get rattled.
Serviceable? Come on...Greg McElroy is serviceable. Trent Dilfer was serviceable. Some of the all-time greats like Montana and Bradshaw were far more "serviceable" than Manning.
He may not appear to do any one thing well on the field, meaning, he doesn't have a rocket arm, and he can't run, but look at his stats and winning....he does everything as well as anyone has ever done anything.
Other greats may have a great passer rating, but don't have the overall personal stats. Or some may have half the record book individually, but didn't win all that much.
Manning has it all. Rating, TDs, completion %, yards, winning, etc.
Compare him to John Elway (16 seasons), Brett Favre (18), Dan Marino (17), Joe Montana (15), and Terry Bradshaw (14).
Seasons of 90+ QB rating:
Manning - 9
Favre - 9
Montana - 6
Marino - 5
Elway - 2
Bradshaw - 0
Seasons of 99+ QB rating:
Manning - 5
Montana - 4
Favre - 2
Marino - 1
Elway - 0
Bradshaw - 0
4,000 yard seasons:
Manning - 10
Favre - 6
Marino - 6
Elway - 1
Bradshaw - 0
Montana - 0
25+ TD seasons:
Manning - 12
Favre - 11
Marino - 7
Montana - 6
Elway - 4
Bradshaw - 2
Career completion %:
Manning - 64.8
Montana - 63
Favre - 62
Marino - 59
Elway - 56.9
Bradshaw - 51.9
Career winning %
Montana - 71
Bradshaw - 68
Manning - 66
Elway - 64
Favre - 63
Marino - 61
Career passer rating:
Manning - 95.2
Montana - 92.3
Favre - 86.6
Marino - 86.4
Elway - 79.9
Bradshaw - 70.9
Career TD to INT ratio:
Manning - 2.04 to 1
Montana - 1.96 to 1
Marino - 1.67 to 1
Favre - 1.57 to 1
Elway - 1.30 to 1
Bradshaw - 1.05 to 1
Not only does he throw for more yards and more TDs, he throws fewer picks and with the highest completion %. Without looking at it, I would have guessed Montana was the most accurate, that Favre, Marino, and Elway had the most 25+ TD season, etc. But the thing is, Manning does everything better than all of these guys....yards, accuracy, TDs, overall rating, etc.
By the way, I know Bradshaw played in a different era. But still, even being a warrior, winner, and leader...his stats are mediocre at best. He was known for being the leader of a team stocked full of hall-of-famers and winning Super Bowls. He is kind of football's version of Reggie Jackson. Jackson was known for hitting big-time home runs and winning World Series, but he's a career .262 hitter.
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Before Brady hurt his knee many would have ranked Manning behind him and I too would have drafted Leaf ahead of him because he moved his feet so much in the pocket but of all the others, I think Manning has developed himself more with less. He is very smart with defenses and I like his hungry attitude and reactions to failure.
Bradshaw would come off the field writhing in pain only to come back in on the next set of downs and throw a 60 yard TD. The dumb portrayal is just for kicks and plays well. I actually think the Pittsburgh-Oakland rivalry in the '70's saved the NFL as it was declining. Stabler does deserve the HOF induction if only for that alone.
Well there are brainy types, physical types and just plain winners. I would take Montana for the one game followed by Elway. Farve and Marino are top ten but numbers don't cut it with me here. I would take Namath over many others with bad knees (also my Andre Dawson argument). But that's for another time.
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Jackson may have been a career .262 hitter, but he was not called Mr. October for nothing:
WS avg (5 WS).
Batting: .357
On Base Percentage: .457
Slugging: .755
HR = 10, RBI = 24
Like all the great ones, he showed up when it mattered most. As for the QB debate.......I take Montana first then Bradshaw.
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Jackson may have been a career .262 hitter, but he was not called Mr. October for nothing:
WS avg (5 WS).
Batting: .357
On Base Percentage: .457
Slugging: .755
HR = 10, RBI = 24
Like all the great ones, he showed up when it mattered most. As for the QB debate.......I take Montana first then Bradshaw.
I should have known you'd chime in when I brought a Yankee into it....but that was just my point, most people would never guess he was a career .262 hitter because he erased that "number" with the way he won and performed when it mattered most....which is why I used him to downplay Bradshaw's lack of "numbers".
Interesting you'd take Montana. I can see why....he was an amazing QB, but as others have mentioned, he did play on some of the best teams every put together. To me, if you put Montana on these Colts teams, they wouldn't win as much, and if you put Manning on those 9'ers teams, they may have not lost a game for 4- or 5 years in a row.
I know, the swap game doesn't work....different teams, different eras, etc. But as good as Montana was, I really do think you could have plugged in a lot of less heralded guys (like Warren Moon) and gotten the same (or better?) results.
Yankees suck. ;)
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Also, who else could provide quality vocals like Manning?
"God dammit, Donald!" (Turn your speakers up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB52kUiHLeU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB52kUiHLeU#)
And who could forget...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPDNHCrPfM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPDNHCrPfM#)
Not sure what you're trying to evoke with those two videos, but neither really show any true leadership. The pissy bitch fest with the OL is just ridiculous.
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I don't recall many of the others aside of Montana, Elway and Bradshaw that had memorable runs in the biggest games. That's why I would choose them, it is the intangibles that make them better than the rest, not their QB rating.
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Not only does he throw for more yards and more TDs, he throws fewer picks and with the highest completion %. Without looking at it, I would have guessed Montana was the most accurate, that Favre, Marino, and Elway had the most 25+ TD season, etc. But the thing is, Manning does everything better than all of these guys....yards, accuracy, TDs, overall rating, etc.
By the way, I know Bradshaw played in a different era. But still, even being a warrior, winner, and leader...his stats are mediocre at best. He was known for being the leader of a team stocked full of hall-of-famers and winning Super Bowls. He is kind of football's version of Reggie Jackson. Jackson was known for hitting big-time home runs and winning World Series, but he's a career .262 hitter.
You can't just sluff off it being a different era. It was a different GAME, too. Who knows what Bradshaw or Unitas would do if they throw 50 times a game and used all the underneath stuff that's evolved over the years.
I'd still take Bradshaw. If nothing else, he could whip Peyton's ass and take his lunch money.
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But as good as Montana was, I really do think you could have plugged in a lot of less heralded guys (like Warren Moon) and gotten the same (or better?) results.
Absolutely not. No. I don't think that at all. Not a chance. Not a chance in hell.
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I know, the swap game doesn't work....different teams, different eras, etc. But as good as Montana was, I really do think you could have plugged in a lot of less heralded guys (like Warren Moon) and gotten the same (or better?) results.
Yankees suck. ;)
warren moon couldn't grip montana's schick razor.
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Agree with Kaos about "replacing" Joe with Schmoe, it can't be done:
Montana Post Season:
460-734 5772 yds 62.7% 45 TD 21 INT 95.3 rating Post season record= 16-7 (70%)
(Montana won over 70% of all the games he started...reg & post season)
Bradshaw Post Season:
262-456 3835 yds 57.2% 30 TD 26 INT Record= 14-5 (74%)
Manning Post Season:
323-529 3960 yds 61% 21 TD 16 INT 84.7 rating Post Season Record = 6-8 (43%)
Montana's 45/21 TD/INT is IMPRESSIVE. Manning can in no way be considered with in the top 5 all time QB's with a losing play-off record (imho). 6-8 will not cut it when compared to Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman & Brady.
Peyton still has time.....I enjoy watching him play........and my hunch is between now and when they both retire, Peyton's career will be more impressive than Brady's.....ie Peyton has some good (maybe great) years left in him. I think Brady's best days are over.
(http://photos.upi.com/slideshow/lbox/9e6553d15bdcbea232b0847a975a1589/MLB-2009-World-Series.jpg)
:bar:
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Not sure what you're trying to evoke with those two videos, but neither really show any true leadership. The pissy bitch fest with the OL is just ridiculous.
I never thought humor would elude you so easily.
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I never thought humor would elude you so easily.
I thought we were trying to have a discussion.
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I thought we were trying to have a discussion.
Only ten percent of the time.
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Only ten percent of the time.
Touche.
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Ever so often a player gets hot and just lives in the zone. This year that player is Drew Brees. The guy hits a groove in every game where he just is a step ahead of everyone. I want Favre to win one more, but out of the last four teams remaining, I think some of the best QB talent in the history of the NFL is being viewed. I hated seeing Warner go down. I would have loved to have seen the last four QBs standing to be Brees, Manning, Favre and Warner. Collectively I think those guys are seeing the game a step ahead of everyone else.
Peyton will go down as one of the greatest just for his football mind alone. He really does have a great grasp of the game. It has been nice having more than one or two servicable QBs.
And Brady, he had a lot to work with over the years. The Pats wre loaded on D also. That definitely makes the O look better.
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:pics:
(http://leibrockk.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/peytonmanning.jpg)
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images/peyton-manning.jpg)
Much better.
I cannot even tell you the name of the Colts head coach right now. The HC is interchangeable as long as Peyton is the QB, and they will continue to win as long as Peyton is the QB. The HC is not a factor.
One woman's opinion, but Peyton is by far the SMARTEST QB to ever play the game, both intellectually smart and "football" smart. Whichever of you it was that talked about being able to shred a Defense with adjustments on the line was spot on.
How many of you have ever seen him play in the NFL in person? I have, twice, and it is amazing. Just awe inspiring... such attention to detail.
And then when he takes his helmet off, there is one guy on the sidelines whose ONLY JOB is to hold Peyton's baseball cap. HIS ONLY JOB. I watched that guy for an entire series because I could not believe that was all he was there to do. But it was.
I want that job.
Oh, and GEAUX SAINTS!!!! I would not kick Drew Brees out of bed either.
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Absolutely not. No. I don't think that at all. Not a chance. Not a chance in hell.
Even when they plugged that Young kid in and he had a better QB rating for his career and a SB?
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Ever so often a player gets hot and just lives in the zone. This year that player is Drew Brees. The guy hits a groove in every game where he just is a step ahead of everyone. I want Favre to win one more, but out of the last four teams remaining, I think some of the best QB talent in the history of the NFL is being viewed. I hated seeing Warner go down. I would have loved to have seen the last four QBs standing to be Brees, Manning, Favre and Warner. Collectively I think those guys are seeing the game a step ahead of everyone else.
Peyton will go down as one of the greatest just for his football mind alone. He really does have a great grasp of the game. It has been nice having more than one or two servicable QBs.
And Brady, he had a lot to work with over the years. The Pats wre loaded on D also. That definitely makes the O look better.
Breeze and Warner played each other last week...so that couldn't have happened. The Jets fucked the whole "best 4 QB's in the league still in" when the beat Rivers.
And Brady hasn't had a whole bunch to work with really. Besides Randy Moss, you could interchange his WR's (which was often done) and Brady won.
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:pics:
Dude is an amazing QB.
His, however, one goofy-dick looking motherfucker.
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Keeping with a few of the other posts - GEAUX SAINTS!
I've been a Saints fan all my life, and I can remember sitting next to my dad in the superdome asking him why those two old guys were wearing bags over their heads while screaming at the players.
I can't wait for this Sunday night. I hope Will Smith eats Brett Favre's old ass arm for dinner.
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His, however, one goofy-dick looking motherfucker.
This is crazy talk.
Peyton doesn't know it yet, but he needs me.
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Peyton doesn't know it yet, but he needs me.
(http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm457/Argo144/affiche-Malicia-Malizia-1973-1.jpg)
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I'll start there if I have to. It wouldn't last long.
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I just dont see how any of you are looking over Brett Farve. Stats dont tell everything. You also have to look at the moments that are live and in living color.
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I just dont see how any of you are looking over Brett Farve. Stats dont tell everything. You also have to look at the moments that are live and in living color.
I would only look over Brett Farve if Jason Taylor was standing behind him... otherwise, I am looking at every single inch of Brett. Trust me.
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I would only look over Brett Farve if Jason Taylor was standing behind him... otherwise, I am looking at every single inch of Brett. Trust me.
You like his beard and his Wranglers dont you.
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Fuck da Saints in da mouf...
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phuk da Saints in da mouf...
Good game coming up this weekend. Brett Farve just might do that.
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phuk da Saints in da mouf...
After what Childress and Favre did on 4th and 3 with 1 min left in the game up 27-3 this past Sunday to our Boys, you should be rooting for da Saints to rip them a new one..... Favre = Classless Bastard
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After what Childress and Favre did on 4th and 3 with 1 min left in the game up 27-3 this past Sunday to our Boys, you should be rooting for da Saints to rip them a new one..... Favre = Classless Bastard
You cant be serious GH. Those guys get paid millions of dollars to play D. Thats their job to stop 'em and if they cant, I sure as hell aint crying with them. There is no way that that one play can make Farve a classless bastard and discount all the great things he has done in football. First thing I thought of when I heard Brookings say this crap was "bammers, sounds just like 'em".....just sayin.
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You cant be serious GH. Those guys get paid millions of dollars to play D. Thats their job to stop 'em and if they cant, I sure as hell aint crying with them. There is no way that that one play can make Farve a classless bastard and discount all the great things he has done in football. First thing I thought of when I heard Brookings say this crap was "bammers, sounds just like 'em".....just sayin.
Funny - when Bama did it most Auburn folks were ripping Saban a new one. And that was a RUNNING PLAY which is what you try to do to run out the clocl...Favre and the Vikings did was twice as bad. You don't BOMB it on 4th down up 4 TD's with 1 min left. That is what Madden on XBOX is for. I hated Favre anyway. This just ices it. I lost all respect for him the last 3 years with all of his prima donna drama he has created.
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You like his beard and his Wranglers dont you.
Yes, and all parts in between.
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Fuck da Saints in da mouf...
And THIS is why brokeback cowbutt fans are the NFL eqivalent to bammers. Nasty losers and arrogant winners.
Here's a hint. Romo is not the man. He is a puss. Deal with it. And if the vaunted Dallas D can't stop the Vikes, well shame on them. Cowboys SUCK.
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!
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And THIS is why brokeback cowbutt fans are the NFL eqivalent to bammers. Nasty losers and arrogant winners.
Here's a hint. Romo is not the man. He is a puss. Deal with it. And if the vaunted Dallas D can't stop the Vikes, well shame on them. Cowboys SUCK.
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!
It has nothing to do with the Cowboys. I have never liked the saints. I think it is the whole dumb ass "who dat" bullshit they do. I just don't like them at all. Never have. Them or Atlanta. It may be their dumb ass fucking owner, I hate that guy. He wanted to fuck NO and take them out of their when the people of NO had been really faithful to his dumb ass. He doesn't deserve a good team. He is a joke.
Anyway, I would rather see Peyton Manning and Favre in the Super Bowl. SO, I stand by my saying, fuck da saints in da mouf...
Of course, with the way the last 32 years of my life has gone, it will be the saints vs. the jets with the Saints winning by 42...
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And THIS is why brokeback cowbutt fans are the NFL eqivalent to bammers. Nasty losers and arrogant winners.
Here's a hint. Romo is not the man. He is a puss. Deal with it. And if the vaunted Dallas D can't stop the Vikes, well shame on them. Cowboys SUCK.
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!
Seriously? Is that the best you got?
Bring more ammo to the argument than the Saints. What a piss poor franchise. I mean, they make the Falcons look good. What the phuk have the Saints ever done but lose and have their fanbase on welfare saying "who dat" every other sentence.
I know Romo isnt the man. I never said he was. But Sunday wasn't his fault. Dallas' OL couldnt block a HS team Sunday. Btw - Dallas gave up a grand total of 190 yards through 3.5 quarters to the Vikes. So I'd say the D held them in check pretty well.
For the record wench - if the Vikes had done that to any other team, I would have the same beef. I am just not a fan of running up the score. If Bama or Florida had done that to Auburn you would feel the same way. Whether you want to admit it or not. 4th down...up 24....1 min left....starters still in......bombing it down the field....please don't tell me this sounds ok to you.
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For the record wench - if the Vikes had done that to any other team, I would have the same beef. I am just not a fan of running up the score. If Bama or Florida had done that to Auburn you would feel the same way. Whether you want to admit it or not. 4th down...up 24....1 min left....starters still in......bombing it down the field....please don't tell me this sounds ok to you.
Well, I wouldnt like it Im sure of it.
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Seriously? Is that the best you got?
Bring more ammo to the argument that the Saints. What piss poor franchise. I mean, they make the Falcons look good. What the fuck have the Saints ever done but lose and have their fanbase on welfare saying "who dat" every other sentence.
I know Romo isnt the man. I never said he was. But Sunday wasn't his fault. Dallas' OL couldnt block a HS team Sunday. Btw - Dallas gave up a grand total of 190 yards through 3.5 quarters to the Vikes. So I'd say the D held them in check pretty well.
For the record wench - if the Vikes had done that to any other team, I would have the same beef. I am just not a fan of running up the score. If Bama or Florida had done that to Auburn you would feel the same way. Whether you want to admit it or not. 4th down...up 24....1 min left....starters still in......bombing it down the field....please don't tell me this sounds ok to you.
Who dat.
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It has nothing to do with the Cowboys. I have never liked the saints. I think it is the whole dumb ass "who dat" bullshit they do. I just don't like them at all. Never have. Them or Atlanta. It may be their dumb ass fucking owner, I hate that guy. He wanted to fuck NO and take them out of their when the people of NO had been really faithful to his dumb ass. He doesn't deserve a good team. He is a joke.
Anyway, I would rather see Peyton Manning and Favre in the Super Bowl. SO, I stand by my saying, fuck da saints in da mouf...
Of course, with the way the last 32 years of my life has gone, it will be the saints vs. the jets with the Saints winning by 42...
As a proud member of the Who Dat nation, kiss my mufaletta.
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As a proud member of the Who Dat nation, kiss my mufaletta.
You and every other....
nevermind...
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Many people, myself included, dislike the Cowboys organization because it actively advertised itself as a sports franchise calling itself " America's Team". I am older and although I could appreciate the Cowboy Cheerleaders, that overated homer of a half assed QB, Don Meredith of MNF, the series "Dallas" and even the NFL itself helped build that image. It wasn't enough to be one of the better teams in the NFL, usually 3rd or 4th best, that franchise always had an unfair advantage over all others.
Don't care for running the score up on any team. No Auburn team I have seen going back to Jordan ever pulled that poop on another team, especially an SEC rival.
Brett drops a notch with me for that though I didn't see the game. That team should be more interested in keeping Farve healthy than to allow him to show up the opposition and why isn't the 3nd guy in anyway?
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Don't care for running the score up on any team. No Auburn team I have seen going back to Jordan ever pulled that poop on another team, especially an SEC rival.
Au vs MSU 2002
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I am older and although I could appreciate the Cowboy Cheerleaders, that overated homer of a half assed QB, Don Meredith of MNF, the series "Dallas" and even the NFL itself helped build that image.
I'd say "Debbie Does Dallas" didn't hurt either.
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Please refresh my lack of recall.
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Please refresh my lack of recall.
Up big, late against Jackie O. Could have took a knee and not scored the last one. Probably would have been the most sporting thing to do. We did not. I didn't mind. Jackie O had it coming IMO but was just making the point that we are guilty of running it up as well from time to time.
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I guess college=NFL now?
do it in college=no class. In the NFL=no defense.
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It's classless in competition of any substance.
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It has nothing to do with the Cowboys. I have never liked the saints. I think it is the whole dumb ass "who dat" bullshit they do. I just don't like them at all. Never have.
Anyway, I would rather see Peyton Manning and Favre in the Super Bowl. SO, I stand by my saying, fuck da saints in da mouf...
Completely agree. Except I used to kind of like the Saints....until I moved to NO. It took me about 5 seconds to hate their fans...which makes sense since they also make up the fan base of LSU. Obnoxious fuckers.
I know Romo isnt the man. I never said he was. But Sunday wasn't his fault. Dallas' OL couldnt block a HS team Sunday. Btw - Dallas gave up a grand total of 190 yards through 3.5 quarters to the Vikes. So I'd say the D held them in check pretty well.
The D is the only reason it wasn't 400 to 3. They kept Dallas in the game as long as they could...they were fucking tired by the end...I think everyone on this board can identify with that. The NFL doesn't worry about class though, IMHO.
I agree the O line got beat the fuck up, but Tony Romo couldn't hold on to the ball to save his life. UNLESS of course he was about to GET sacked...then he couldn't let it go. FUCK him.
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It's classless in competition of any substance.
Says the guy with no defense.....
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I guess college=NFL now?
do it in college=no class. In the NFL=no defense.
Exactly.
People on here were bitching when Saban did it to Texas. Except Saban was actually running the ball, not trying to drop bombs on 4th down with the game in hand.
Its wrong on any level.
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Up big, late against Jackie O. Could have took a knee and not scored the last one. Probably would have been the most sporting thing to do. We did not. I didn't mind. Jackie O had it coming IMO but was just making the point that we are guilty of running it up as well from time to time.
I didn't like Jackie "learn how to cheat from the Bear" either, but come on Sani, you know Tuberville wasn't the type to run it up.
Auburn started the 4th quarter up 21-14. We ran 9 plays for 67 yards and a TD to make it 28-14. After scoring, we kicked off and they fumbled on their own 15 yard line. At that point, there was 10 minutes left, so of course, up two TDs with over 10 minutes to go, we tried our hardest to score....which took less than two minutes on three Cadillac Williams runs for another TD.
That made it 35-14....but still with over 9 minutes left in the game. So we kick off to them, and again, they run three plays and fumble at the 50 yard line.
At this point, we take over with 9:14 on the clock, at the 50 yard line.
What do we do? Ronnie Brown is in for Cadillac, and we here is our play calling:
Ronnie Brown rushed left side for 6 yards.
Ronnie Brown rushed up middle for 14 yards.
Ronnie Brown rushed up middle for 14 yards.
Penalty Auburn, 5 yards.
Ronnie Brown rushed up the middle for 2 yards.
Ronnie Brown rushed up middle for 5 yards.
Ronnie Brown rushed up middle for 4 yards.
Penalty Auburn, 5 yards.
Chris Butler rushed up the middle for 2 yards.
Chris Butler rushed up the middle for 2 yards.
Brandon Johnson rushed up the middle for 1 yard...TD...Auburn leads 41-14.
That was 9 straight rushes that took the clock from 9:14 down to 2:50.
We kicked off and they ran exactly three plays before turning it over to us again...in a pick this time.
So Auburn comes back in with the ball with 2:20 left.
We ran Trey Smith three times before Jason Campbell took a knee on the MSU 8 yard line.
So yeah, we piled on some points, but it wasn't remotely like the Vikings having their starter throw a down field TD pass with the game in hand. Auburn ran some plays on short fields, ran off some clock, and ultimately took a knee inside the opponents 10 yard line.
To me, that's how you end a game. We took over two minutes off the game in just four plays, including a kneel down on 4th down. You don't pull that Vikings poop. And I have always like Favre....not sure what vendetta he has for Dallas. (maybe it's because he lost to Dallas in the NFC championship game in 1996?).
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I'm feeling better about Tubs already.
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I never said Tuberville was the type to run it up. Do not put those words in my mouth but opinions are very subjective, based on who is having them. I bet there were a lot of people in maroon that day that did not feel the same way.
A number of people (myself included) are happy to see us go three and in. Put the ole foot on the neck and rip out the juggler. If you ask a lot of Auburn folks they will tell you that has always been part of our problem. When we have folks down we don't/won't put them away.
All I was getting at was that let's not act like we have never been above reproach in that regard. I bet La Monroe would have another view on it as well.
If you want to know what I thought was really shitty when we played MSU was in 2003 and Jacobs had been having the best game of his Auburn career between the 20's and Carnell was brought in to punch them on in and get the TD record. I thought that was cheap to the record and to Jacobs. Does it mean it was? No. Means it's my opinion of it and I would have not done it that way on either count.
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I never said Tuberville was the type to run it up. Do not put those words in my mouth but opinions are very subjective, based on who is having them. I bet there were a lot of people in maroon that day that did not feel the same way.
A number of people (myself included) are happy to see us go three and in. Put the ole foot on the neck and rip out the juggler. If you ask a lot of Auburn folks they will tell you that has always been part of our problem. When we have folks down we don't/won't put them away.
All I was getting at was that let's not act like we have never been above reproach in that regard. I bet La Monroe would have another view on it as well.
True, true, fans on the other side surely saw some of it different. And I don't think we're beyond reproach on the subject, especially against the lambs we bring in to slaughter on Homecoming weekends, but I do think the coaches we've had through the years were of the kind of character that you wouldn't see them throwing long TD passes, up 21 with less than 3 minutes to go.
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, but I do think the coaches we've had through the years were of the kind of character that you wouldn't see them throwing long TD passes, up 21 with less than 3 minutes to go.
Agree here.
There is a fine line in the whole deal. You don't very well send your 2nd or 3rd team in and tell them to do less than their best either.
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group hug guys.... :clap:
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group hug guys.... :clap:
Can't we just fuck it out?
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We've been shitstomped enough lately, I don't mind a little payback on some teams.
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Put the ole foot on the neck and rip out the juggler.
What'd he ever do to you?
(http://www.bradbyers.com/images/Juggler_new2.jpg)
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What'd he ever do to you?
(http://www.bradbyers.com/images/Juggler_new2.jpg)
Good point maybe we should rip out their balls instead.
(damn I hate when I spell the completely wrong word correctly)
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Good point maybe we should rip out their balls instead.(damn I hate when I spell the completely wrong word correctly)
I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one - figured you were going for the "humourous misspell" ploy instead of the "totally fucked up wrong word" gambit...
You disappoint me, H.
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Fuck Peyton Manning. I hate that somebitch.
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Fuck Peyton Manning. I hate that somebitch.
(http://www.altheabraithwaite.net/Feeling%20Jealous.JPG)
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(http://www.altheabraithwaite.net/Feeling%20Jealous.JPG)
That's what the Bammers say when I hate them. Not even close.
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That's what the Bammers say when I hate them. Not even close.
You're jealous....
and Peyton aint Bammers. Please dont compare the two.
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You're jealous....
and Peyton aint Bammers. Please dont compare the two.
He's a Vol. Same difference in my book.
I'm not a football player for a living so I have nothing to be jealous of. Enjoy your Peyton fest though. Woo hoo.
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He's a Vol. Same difference in my book.
I'm not a football player for a living so I have nothing to be jealous of. Enjoy your Peyton fest though. Woo hoo.
Asshole....but I stills gotz mad respect for ya sensi..... :bar: