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The Library => Broun Hall => Topic started by: Mr. Sensible on January 14, 2010, 01:51:17 PM
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Things That Go Bump is a column that reviews films from the horror and suspense genres. I recommend films on the following scale: Skip It, Rent It, or Buy It.
Be warned, this review is full of spoilers. So skip to the recommendation section on the last page if you want to stay spoiler-free.
I wrote last week that Rob Zombie's remake/re-imagining/reinvention of the Halloween mythos was a brutal, violent, effective film. It knows what it wants to be; it has a goal and a basic thesis for operation. Zombie believed that due to confusing plot lines and too many sequels, Michael Myers was no longer scary. He also realized that modern horror audiences wouldn't find his story scary without a back story that was truly messed up beyond anything imaginable. It worked because instead of being scary, the story was shocking and violent.
I've watched H2 twice. The first was in theaters and I will say that to watch that will only leave you more confused. I saw this again on DVD in the Unrated Director's Cut released on January 12, 2010. I have read countless interviews and even listened to a bit of the commentary from the director and I still don't get it and further, I don't want to. In an attempt to be both shocking and abstract, Zombie and H2 fall well short of anything worth watching. I defy anyone to tell me what is the central purpose or goal of Halloween 2 other than grand larceny of the viewers.
Plot Summary and Commentary - As If It's Going To Help
We open with a title card about the symbolic nature of the "white horse" in dreams. This is the first sign of trouble. When a director or movie studio assumes the audience is too stupid to get it, they give us one of these to set it up for us. It's kind of like an open-book test. You have the answers in front of you, so you pass it, but you probably won't learn anything from it.
Then, we get the big retcon. Debra Myers, played even more incoherently (if that's possible) by Sheri Moon-Zombie, walks into the sanitarium to visit little Michael presumably at some point in his treatment with Dr. Loomis. She presents him with a gift. You guessed it — a white horse statue. He proceeds to tell her he saw her and the horse in a dream the night before. Then, we flash to the title screen, hear the gun click, the shot fire, and Laurie's scream from the end of the first film.
What happens over the next 20 minutes is the best part of the film. Too bad half of it isn't real. Laurie walks down a street holding the gun and is finally picked up by Sheriff Brackett (played quite well by Brad Dourif). We flash to the scene of the "crime" — the old Myers house where the first film ended — and we see the CSI and coroner's department hard at work picking up the bodies and photographing Michael Myers with what appears to be a gunshot wound to the face. We aren't sure that's what it is, but half of the mask is red and burnt consistent with a close gunshot wound to the face. (I learned that watching Forensic Files.) We cut to Laurie being wheeled into the hospital ER and we are treated to nearly every bone-setting and stitch.
We flash back to coroner's attendants loading Michael into a van to be taken to the morgue. After a rather unsettling and completely pointless conversation, the van crashes and Michael escapes. He is seen walking down a dark road toward his mother, dressed in white, next to a white horse. The entire escape sequence is unnecessary. When we see Laurie in the opening, she is alone. So, is it too much to ask that he just gets up and walks away? I guess so, because we have this instead.
We cut back to the hospital and see Laurie sleeping all bandaged up and wearing multiple casts for her injuries. She stumbles to Annie's room (who survived the first film) where she is distraught over her friend's condition. Laurie is escorted from her room but turns around to see the nurse now being stalked and attacked by Michael. Michael proceeds to not only kill the nurse, but rip her to pieces, all the while grunting loudly for the audience. (Hold on to that detail as it is one of the big differences between the theatrical and director's cuts). Michael stalks Laurie around the hospital where she discovers scenes of carnage everywhere. In a scene unique to the director's cut, she falls in a dumpster full of dead bodies — presumably the entire hospital staff. It's frightening and yet is a clue that this is a dream because all of the faces looks the same. That's probably why it was cut. Laurie escapes to the guard shack only to have Michael pursue her there and basically rip a wall down to get to her. He raises the fire axe above his head and just as it comes down — she wakes up screaming in another bed. That's right. The most terrifying 10 minutes of this movie are a dream sequence.
We learn from a title card that it is October 29. (The director's cut reveals it is two years after the events of the first film.) To say Laurie isn't coping well is an understatement. She no longer looks remotely wholesome, furthering a character change Zombie only skated around in the last picture. She has funky tattoos, wears torn up "rocker" clothing, doesn't appear to have showered in a month, and is pretty much pissed off at the world and feels guilty for surviving the ordeal of two Halloweens prior. We see she lives with Sheriff Brackett and a physically (perhaps not emotionally) recovered Annie and is seeing a therapist. (Note: in the theatrical release, Laurie and Annie are portrayed as close. In the director's cut, they have bitter arguments. Not sure why that change was necessary, but it adds a new element to the director's cut worth mentioning.) We see her with her therapist (cameo by Margot Kidder) and with her trash-mouthed friends at her place of work (cameo by Howard Hesseman). Oh yeah, Laurie has learned the "F" word since the first movie and likes all its variations — a lot.
Then, as if he hasn't stepped on everything he was so brilliant with in the first installment, Zombie re-introduces us to Dr. Loomis who did survive Michael's attack. No longer is he the psychiatrist who felt guilt and a sense of duty to stop his dangerous patient. Now, he's just a jerk trying to sell books and it is a complete shame. Donald Pleasence's Loomis suffered from serious mischaracterization as well in previous iterations. Maybe that's what Zombie was going for - a tribute to just how little there is to do with Dr. Loomis once we leave the hospital. After a great performance in the 2007 film, Malcolm McDowell is completely unlikeable in this version.
We know very quickly from Loomis's book tour/speaking engagement thing that the press hounds him about his involvement with Michael Myers, his profiting from the story, and whether or not he believes Michael is really dead or not. It's the first time characters from Zombie's version of the series have acted like they know they are in a horror film and it leads to another big twist Zombie adds - Michael walking (without the mask) across an open field. He follows a vision (I think) of his mother who tells him (and a vision of his former boyhood self — in clown costume) to be ready to bring them home. Ooo. Ahh. Whatever.
After some completely random (and seemingly pointless) kills in a field, we get a couple of dream sequences (not sure if one is Laurie's or Michael's or both hers) complete with imagery straight out of a White Zombie video, some random killing, and some more of Michael walking in daylight, unmasked, with his mother/younger self visions in tow as they see billboards promoting the Loomis book tour. Annie gets killed quite violently by Michael and prompts one to wonder what purpose she served in the plot. (All kudos to Danielle Harris who did a good job, but working on this must have brought flashbacks to her work on the mess known as Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers.)
We get to see Laurie's breakdown after learning she is Michael's sister (a detail revealed in Loomis' latest book that she happens to pick up at a local store). She not only freaks out, but demonstrates signs of the kind of madness that drives her older brother. I, along with several others, believe Zombie intended for her to be revealed as the killer in this movie. (Check out the Now Playing Podcast's Halloween Retrospective Series to hear more people agree with me.) But we don't get that. Instead, we have this disjointed mess that, itself, plummets into madness over the final act.
Michael, for reasons never explained, has waited two years to come back, fetch his long-lost baby sister (again), to take her to the barn and watch her struggle against the same ghosts he sees. Loomis shows up (how convenient) and confronts Michael. He sees Laurie struggling (she thinks young Michael is holding her) and he tries to get her to see that it's all in her mind. Or is it? Yeah, I don't even want to get it anymore. I just want it to end. This is where the film differs the most. In the theatrical release, Michael stabs Loomis, is shot, falls, Laurie stabs him, and walks out of the barn wearing his mask. In the director's cut, Michael throws Loomis through a wall to the outside. In front of the cops, he takes off his mask (Tyler Mane looking a lot like Zakk Wylde), growls "die" at Loomis, and runs him through with a big knife. Loomis falls and Michael is pelted with multiple bullets before finally falling himself. Laurie emerges to the carnage, picks up Michael's knife, walks towards Loomis, raises it, and is shot down. An aerial shot cranes above the dead bodies on the ground as a remake of the song "Love Hurts" plays in the background. The final scene of Laurie sitting in a padded cell watching Debra Myers and the white horse walk towards her is still there but we can now interpret that as her vision of the afterlife. Or it's a another dream. Or maybe not.
Recommendation - As If It Is Still Not Obvious
According to IMDb's trivia entry for this film, Zombie only agreed to make this when he learned the studio was going to do it with or without him and he didn't want anyone to "ruin his vision" for the film. Thanks for taking care of that yourself, Rob.
Dourif's Sheriff Brackett says in the beginning of the film, "I'd say there's nothing obvious about anything that happened here tonight. Not a [blankety-blank] thing." I could not agree more.
If you are a fan of the first Zombie Halloween, SKIP THIS. If you are a fan of the original Halloween movies, SKIP THIS. And if you like both film series, SKIP THIS.
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Just now got around to reading the first post. Thought I would post it here instead of in the original thread. A few thoughts. Something has me wanting to see it. Of course it is Rob Zombie and I expect fully to be more shocked than scared. This is the guy that brought us The Devils Rejects, House of 1000 Corpses. Sometimes I would rather be shocked than scared. That is just me though. Sometimes I want to see something that makes me want to turn my head and put my stomach in knots. I will have to check this out and give it a look. I haven't seen it and chances are that I will go in with the mindset that it will not compare to the original. I always seem to do that, but I like the original versions of movies for some reason. Then again I may watch it and find that trying to compare it to the original will simply not work.
From the first review it seem like something that makes sense, but reading this makes it seem like it will be either a.) mindfuck & FUBAR or b.) something so stupid and ignorant that you will wish that you hadn't wasted your time watching. Now saying that, I will more than likely watch it too, just b/c it is Rob Zombie and for the "shock factor" that he will give viewers.
Thanks for posting, two good reads!
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Sometimes I would rather be shocked than scared. That is just me though. Sometimes I want to see something that makes me want to turn my head and put my stomach in knots.
Seen the remake of "The Hills Have Eyes"?
Ugh. In the very best way possible: ugh.
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Just now got around to reading the first post. Thought I would post it here instead of in the original thread. A few thoughts. Something has me wanting to see it. Of course it is Rob Zombie and I expect fully to be more shocked than scared. This is the guy that brought us The Devils Rejects, House of 1000 Corpses. Sometimes I would rather be shocked than scared. That is just me though. Sometimes I want to see something that makes me want to turn my head and put my stomach in knots. I will have to check this out and give it a look. I haven't seen it and chances are that I will go in with the mindset that it will not compare to the original. I always seem to do that, but I like the original versions of movies for some reason. Then again I may watch it and find that trying to compare it to the original will simply not work.
From the first review it seem like something that makes sense, but reading this makes it seem like it will be either a.) mindfuck & FUBAR or b.) something so stupid and ignorant that you will wish that you hadn't wasted your time watching. Now saying that, I will more than likely watch it too, just b/c it is Rob Zombie and for the "shock factor" that he will give viewers.
Thanks for posting, two good reads!
Thanks. If you see H2, see the Unrated Director's Cut. It makes some more sense. If you can stand to sit through it twice, watch it with the commentary on and you'll hear how disgusted Zombie was with what he had to work with and what the final product was. He loves his actors but showed little affection for the studio or technical folks on it.
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Seen the remake of "The Hills Have Eyes"?
Ugh. In the very best way possible: ugh.
Not yet. I am way behind on any movies that have to deal with shock and gore. The wife is not a big fan, so mostly comedies and action flicks.
Thanks. If you see H2, see the Unrated Director's Cut. It makes some more sense. If you can stand to sit through it twice, watch it with the commentary on and you'll hear how disgusted Zombie was with what he had to work with and what the final product was. He loves his actors but showed little affection for the studio or technical folks on it.
Will be calling "Movie Stop" this evening to see if they have them. Did you write those reviews btw?
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Did you write those reviews btw?
Yes, I write those reviews. Weekly feature on BC. You can follow it via RSS if you like. If you go on the site, please comment and DIGG it. My editors will be pleased.
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Yes, I write those reviews. Weekly feature on BC. You can follow it via RSS if you like. If you go on the site, please comment and DIGG it. My editors will be pleased.
Not a problem.
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Not to derail Sensi's thread....but when I read the title of this thread, I can't help but think of this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2tA-jI1kQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2tA-jI1kQ#)
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Not to derail Sensi's thread....but when I read the title of this thread, I can't help but think of this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2tA-jI1kQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2tA-jI1kQ#)
Are you a juggalo? Down with the clown?
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Are you a juggalo? Down with the clown?
Once, long ago. But I blame it on the pot.
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Once, long ago. But I blame it on the pot.
Excellent. Another reason to ridicule you.
Any other dark secrets you want to divulge?
Sell Mary Kay? Host lemon parties?
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Excellent. Another reason to ridicule you.
Any other dark secrets you want to divulge?
That's about it. Well, I did hit the drummer for Sister Hazel with a beer bottle once at Jacksonville State. But that was also, long, long ago.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_bIg3nQR-s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_bIg3nQR-s#)
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MovieStop didn't have a copy of "Halloween 2", but I did manage to get "The Hills Have Eyes" 1 & 2 (unrated), "Halloween" (unrated directors cut), and Super Troopers. Go them for less than $20. Hopefully tomorrow at work, since we are not busy right now, I hope to watch "Halloween" and "The Hills Have Eyes". Once I watch I will go back to the other thread to give my thoughts.
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MovieStop didn't have a copy of "Halloween 2", but I did manage to get "The Hills Have Eyes" 1 & 2 (unrated), "Halloween" (unrated directors cut), and Super Troopers. Go them for less than $20. Hopefully tomorrow at work, since we are not busy right now, I hope to watch "Halloween" and "The Hills Have Eyes". Once I watch I will go back to the other thread to give my thoughts.
Good deal. H2 came out on Tuesday but it may be a few days before you can rent it. I know Blockbuster always has them if there's one near your area.
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I have Halloween 2 sitting on my counter, review upcoming.
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I have Halloween 2 sitting on my counter, review upcoming.
Read your signature. This will be one of those times.
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Read your signature. This will be one of those times.
It's that bad? Btw Crank 2 was the worst movie ever.
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It's that bad? Btw Crank 2 was the worst movie ever.
Did you read my review? I even watched it again with the commentary and Zombie talks about how much he loves the actors but hated the technical aspects, time constraints, shooting schedule, and the basic story. Don't watch the theatrical version. It's a grade A charlie foxtrot. The director's cut is a little better, but not much. Let me know what you think.
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Seen the remake of "The Hills Have Eyes"?
Ugh. In the very best way possible: ugh.
I haven't seen any of these remakes.
I'm like AUTiger1. It pisses me off that Hollywood is ruining these classics.
I've seen the original Hills Have Eyes and can see where it could be improved upon, and I've heard good things.
I've also seen the original My Bloody Valentine, but not the new one.
Last House On The Left? The same.
Seen all the original Halloweens, but not the new ones.
Own all the original Friday the 13ths, but haven't seen the new one.
Own Amityville Horror, but haven't seen the new one.
I guess I should give at least a few of those a chance...
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I liked the new Bloody Valentine 3d enough to buy the old one this week on Blu-Ray for $9.99.
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I haven't seen any of these remakes.
I'm like AUTiger1. It pisses me off that Hollywood is ruining these classics.
Seen all the original Halloweens, but not the new ones.
I am one that does not like remakes much at all. To me it's Hollywood saying "we have run out of ideas to entertain you, so here is a remake" and yes it kinda pisses me off. Now saying that..........
Chizad, I would recommend the new Halloween without a doubt. Will give opinions in the other thread.
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I liked the new Bloody Valentine 3d enough to buy the old one this week on Blu-Ray for $9.99.
Agree here.
As for the rest FUCK OFF.
I hate these remakes of movies that were close to perfect the first time around. The original Halloween didn't need SHIT. It was damn near perfect. The original Friday the 13th, Friday II and Friday III were all classics. Why remake them? What point does it serve?
They shit on The Omen already -- the original was one of the five scariest movies I've ever seen. That damn little kid spooked the total bejesus out of me.
What's next a Zombie remake of the Exorcist? This time Reagan can drag a giant sybian crucifix in the bedroom and have a gushing pea soup orgasm while riding the thing. Please. It's just unnecessary.
Here's the thing. If Zombie wants to make a shitty, fucked up, worthless horror movie (or even a good one) then do it. But don't glom on to something that was successful, take basically the names only and then tell a completely different story. That's just stupid and fucked up. I hate it. The reason it's called Halloween is because they knew there was name recognition there and it really didn't matter how much they fucked it up, people would still go on openining night. It's all about money.
So fuck that. Fuck the Freddy Krueger remake, nobody can play Freddy but Englund. It's disgusting.
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Fuck the Freddy Krueger remake, nobody can play Freddy but Englund. It's disgusting.
Jackie Earle Haley is a creepy motherfucker. Ever see Little Children? In addition to his creepiness, you get Kate Winslet naked - a lot - which is never a bad thing.
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Agree here.
As for the rest FUCK OFF.
I hate these remakes of movies that were close to perfect the first time around. The original Halloween didn't need SHIT. It was damn near perfect. The original Friday the 13th, Friday II and Friday III were all classics. Why remake them? What point does it serve?
They shit on The Omen already -- the original was one of the five scariest movies I've ever seen. That damn little kid spooked the total bejesus out of me.
What's next a Zombie remake of the Exorcist? This time Reagan can drag a giant sybian crucifix in the bedroom and have a gushing pea soup orgasm while riding the thing. Please. It's just unnecessary.
Here's the thing. If Zombie wants to make a shitty, fucked up, worthless horror movie (or even a good one) then do it. But don't glom on to something that was successful, take basically the names only and then tell a completely different story. That's just stupid and fucked up. I hate it. The reason it's called Halloween is because they knew there was name recognition there and it really didn't matter how much they fucked it up, people would still go on openining night. It's all about money.
So fuck that. Fuck the Freddy Krueger remake, nobody can play Freddy but Englund. It's disgusting.
See, I trust Zombie a thousand times over to pay a decent tribute to a classic horror flick before Michael fucking Bay.
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See, I trust Zombie a thousand times over to pay a decent tribute to a classic horror flick before Michael Bay.
I agree on the Michael Bay part. The first Zombie take (2007) was very good. The sequel was just about $$$ and the only reason he was on it was to try and keep it inside the world he created, but even he admits it wasn't the film he wanted to make.
I'd say this about originality, sometimes that gets out of hand. Check out Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers sometime. There's a lot of originality in there but it's so far out there and so poorly executed, it makes the film (yes, even the Producer's Cut) virtually unwatchable.
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I liked the new Bloody Valentine 3d enough to buy the old one this week on Blu-Ray for $9.99.
I loved the original My Bloody Vanentine, great kills and beautiful remastered on Blu-Ray with Dts-Hd sound. I enjoyed how much time they spent developing the characters. I liked how they stayed away from the classic slasher films checklist, A monster is killing everyone and the virgin of the town is the only person that can stop him.
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I loved the original My Bloody Vanentine, great kills and beautiful remastered on Blu-Ray with Dts-Hd sound. I enjoyed how much time they spent developing the characters. I liked how they stayed away from the classic slasher films checklist, A monster is killing everyone and the virgin of the town is the only person that can stop him.
The remake wasn't horrible. Did have that naked woman on screen for like 5 minutes solid and in 3D. However, the heart of the story was missing - the first one had all that.
How about Night of the Creeps?
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I just finished watching both Zombie versions.
I really liked the first one. An excellent tribute to the original. It's the same story, but expands on his motivation in a realistic way to make it more believable.
But I liked how some scenes were word-for-word identical. I liked how the cheerleader chick still overuses the word "totally". I liked that her "See anything you like" scene was one-upped to full frontal. Speaking of nudity, I liked that I got to see the other chick's tits and hear her say "You wanna fuck me? Yeah? I wanna hear you say it." That was hot. Speaking of her, I didn't notice that it was the same girl from Halloween 4 & 5. I guess that's why I thought she was hot to begin with. I couldn't put my finger on it, but she seemed familiar. Like someone I grew up with or something. I guess that's because I watched those original versions when I was about her age and probably thought she was hot in them.
Anyway, this second one blows. It flies in the face of everything that was good about the first one. Where the first one stuck to the script, but fleshed it out, this one holds nothing sacred and the story doesn't even resemble any aspect of the original series. At the same time, it also doesn't "keep it real" with all the white horse, ghost, and "the curse continues through his sister" bullshit. And what was with Myers speaking and not wearing his mask? They explained why he had both of those characteristics pretty well in the first one, why backtrack? And how the fuck did he survive a gunshot to the face to even appear in the sequel? To allow that, again, goes against what was cool about this one. Take out all the magical bullshit and make it believable.
Apparently even the kid that played young Michael in the original even looked at this and said "No thanks, this is stupid." They could have gotten someone at least that resembled the first kid a little more. A kid that was at least the same basic body type.
I was prepared to like it, but it was pretty flat out bad. Shame he had to ruin his "vision" that was the first movie.
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Apparently even the kid that played young Michael in the original even looked at this and said "No thanks, this is stupid." They could have gotten someone at least that resembled the first kid a little more. A kid that was at least the same basic body type.
Actually, he had a growth spurt was no longer believable as a 10 year old. I wouldn't have blamed him for bailing on this pile of shit though. It's bad.