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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Talon on August 13, 2009, 11:10:15 PM
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AUBURN -- Chris Todd will start the season as Auburn's quarterback, head coach Gene Chizik announced late Thursday night. Kodi was with the receivers at practice.
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/08/quarterback_story.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/08/quarterback_story.html)
WDE Bitch's !!
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FUCK!!!!
I'll support the damn team but what will we be asking next year at this same time? Who is going to quarterback the Auburn Tigers? Sorry, this is a stupid ass move. We are supposedley rebuilding. Why waste a year when the most important single player on the team will be gone next year? Let a QB grow with the team and get chemistry with this young receiving corps. FUCK!!!!
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I really really approve of this decision. I think Gene Chizik is doing a wonderful job at his role in the process.
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I really really approve of this decision. I think Gene Chizik is doing a wonderful job at his role in the process.
Wait, you're being sarcastic...aren't you?
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Wait, you're being sarcastic...aren't you?
wait...what?
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Wait, you're being sarcastic...aren't you?
He was.
I'm not.
From everything I've been reading Todd's been the most impressive. Post-op he's a completely different animal.
If Burns has impressed you any at QB since the Chick-Fil-A Bowl in '07, then puff puff pass.
Rollison is going to be a badass, but he's not ready just yet. Redshirt him this year, and let him loose for 3 or 4 years.
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He was.
I'm not.
From everything I've been reading Todd's been the most impressive. Post-op he's a completely different animal.
If Burns has impressed you any at QB since the Chick-Fil-A Bowl in '07, then puff puff pass.
Rollison is going to be a badass, but he's not ready just yet. Redshirt him this year, and let him loose for 3 or 4 years.
If Todd gives us the best chance to win fuckin' play him! He made all the reads last year he just couldn't throw the ball. I say redshirt Tyrik and get him ready for 4 great years. I told yall Kodi was a receiver!
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If Todd gives us the best chance to win fuckin' play him! He made all the reads last year he just couldn't throw the ball. I say redshirt Tyrik and get him ready for 4 great years. I told yall Kodi was a receiver!
Your memory is very hazy. He made no fucking reads. Unless deer in the headlights is a read. He hesistated. Nine out of ten decisions he made were bad. He's as slow as Wilford Brimley.
Whatever. Flush.
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Your memory is very hazy. He made no fucking reads. Unless deer in the headlights is a read. He hesistated. Nine out of ten decisions he made were bad. He's as slow as Wilford Brimley.
Whatever. Flush.
Maybe you should get back into coaching and save us all from Chizik and Malzhan because its in there best intrest to play the worst Qb and Lose football games?
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Maybe you should get back into coaching and save us all from Chizik and Malzhan because its in there best intrest to play the worst Qb and Lose football games?
Missing the point, Jumbo.
He may be the best we have. If he is? Fuck me. We're in a world of shit.
I hope to God he has improved. I hope he can throw the ball better. He certainly couldn't throw worth a fuck last year. Obama had a better arm. Maybe working with a different coach improved his footwork -- because it was atrocious last year. Quarterbacking requires precision. A five-step drop needs to be five steps, not two stumbles, three staggers, a hop a skip and a flop. That could be potentially coached and cured. Maybe working with new coaches improved his hesitancy and inability to pull the trigger. He made reads, yeah. he looked here, looked there, looked up, down, sideways, at his dick and then threw the ball at a lineman's ass. He read too much. He read War and Fucking Peace while he wobbled around in the pocket.
I don't think they can coach him to be any faster. He's guy on crutches slow.
Theoretically all those things but the speed could have been "fixed." But that's a lot to fix in a few weeks of practice. If he's come in and taken the starting job after missing the entire spring then that tells me that neither Kodi Burns or Neil Caudle are worth a fiddly fuck. And that's bad.
Not Chizik or Malzhan's fault, but bad nonetheless.
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I hope he can throw the ball better. He certainly couldn't throw worth a fuck last year.
He was injured last year. You mean you didn't know this?
Maybe working with a different coach improved his footwork -- because it was atrocious last year.
With WHAT coach last year? Your beloved Franklin? WHOOO??? There wasn't a quarterback last season that after a mistake that didn't walk over to the sidelines, hang their head, and then wait till next series. There WAS NO COACHING... Everyone knew this.
Quarterbacking requires precision. A five-step drop needs to be five steps, not two stumbles, three staggers, a hop a skip and a flop. That could be potentially coached and cured. Maybe working with new coaches improved his hesitancy and inability to pull the trigger.
This is a deep breakdown. However, again, between being injured, not being able make the throws he knew he needed to make, plus being behind a line that couldn't block you from getting to the cookie jar, I'm willing to dismiss a lot of what I saw last year (not all, but a lot).
He made reads, yeah. he looked here, looked there, looked up, down, sideways, at his dick and then threw the ball at a lineman's ass. He read too much. He read War and Fucking Peace while he wobbled around in the pocket.
Just a bunch of comedic drivel, but really only needs to be answered with what's above. He couldn't make the throws he needed to make, and we had a coaching staff that was either too stupid to get him out of the game, or feared the alternative. That's how bad it was last year.
I don't think they can coach him to be any faster. He's guy on crutches slow.
Besides the occassional role out, I don't believe it will be Todd's function to run anywhere. If our offensive line does the job they're supposed to, I don't care if he's Elway slow. Just get the ball out quick and let the talent with speed do the job.
Theoretically all those things but the speed could have been "fixed." But that's a lot to fix in a few weeks of practice. If he's come in and taken the starting job after missing the entire spring then that tells me that neither Kodi Burns or Neil Caudle are worth a fiddly fuck. And that's bad.
I know this could just be impossible to believe, but maybe he was just better. Maybe it doesn't necessarily mean that Caudle is worth a "fiddly fuck". By all accounts, Caudle has a good arm and is a capable QB in this system, but Todd just understood it better and is now strong enough to perform as expected, unlike last year. Kodi seems happy enough to take a WR position (a whole other debate) after what he's seen. Last year, he wouldn't have and we had parents yapping and players divided. Think what you want, lord knows you're going to anyway.
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Who is this AuburnChopper and why is he thinking reasonably. I haven't seen a melt down from him in a while and his posts are gaining insight. This must stop.
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Birmingham said you were making sense. I took a chance and unignored you.
Sadly? He was wrong. I'll reply to this but you're going back in the safe where you belong after that.
He was injured last year. You mean you didn't know this?
Funny, but that wasn't an excuse until AFTER the season. If he were that badly injured he shouldn't have played. If he couldn't do the job, HE had a responsibilty to step aside.
With WHAT coach last year? Your beloved Franklin? WHOOO??? There wasn't a quarterback last season that after a mistake that didn't walk over to the sidelines and, hang their head, and then wait till next series. There WAS NO COACHING... Everyone knew this.
YOU didn't fucking know it. Want me to dig up some of your eloquent rants and defenses of Franlklinstein? Funny how smart you think you get in retrospect.
This is a deep breakdown. However, again, between being injured, not being able make the throws he knew he needed to make, plus being behind a line that couldn't block you from getting to the cookie jar, I'm willing to dismiss a lot of what I saw last year (not all, but a lot).
Given your established analytical skills I really don't give too much of a farting fuck what you're willing to dismiss.
Just a bunch of comedic drivel, but really only needs to be answered with what's above. He couldn't make the throws he needed to make, and we had a coaching staff that was too stupid to get him out of the game, or feared the option. That's how bad it was last year.
Besides the occassional role out, I don't believe it will be Todd's function to run anywhere. If our offensive line does the job they're supposed to, I don't care if he's Elway slow. Just get the ball out quick and let the talent with speed do the job.
And it's that bad this year. Kodi and Neil had all spring to establish themselves. They failed to do so. We're left with Todd by default because we really have no other options. And that's BAAAAAAAAAAD.
Talent with speed? Where the fuck did you see any of that?
Role out? Is he being cast in some Broadway show? What the fuck is that?
I know this could just be impossible to believe, but maybe he was just better. Maybe it doesn't necessarily mean that Caudle is worth a "fiddly fuck". By all accounts, Caudle has a good arm and is a capable QB in this system, but Todd just understood it better and is now strong enough to perform as expected, unlike last year. Kodi seems happy enough to take a WR position (a whole other debate) after what he's seen. Last year, he wouldn't have and we had parents yapping and players divided. Think what you want, lord knows you're going to anyway.
Blah, blah, blah, nonsense. If your reading skills had improved you'd see where I already said maybe he's the best we have. But if that's the case, we are likely butt fucked.
Burns said positive shit last year. Only NOW do they come out and claim there were fractures in the locker room.
If Todd "understands" a system he didn't work in all spring or offseason better than two guys who did, then there is a problem with those two guys.
Say whatever the hell you're going to. Lord knows you talk out your ass constantly as it is.
Back to ignore. I really don't have time for your trash.
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Funny, but that wasn't an excuse until AFTER the season. If he were that badly injured he shouldn't have played. If he couldn't do the job, HE had a responsibilty to step aside.
Education is a bitch. We know it now. Hindsight is 20/20 and most learn from it when given the opportunity. You haven't. You're still acting and posting as if Todd was at 100% and he was just terrible last year. As far as responsibility, how many athletes step aside in that situation? Even injured he might have been the better option, and like I said, it was THAT bad.
YOU didn't fucking know it. Want me to dig up some of your eloquent rants and defenses of Franlklinstein? Funny how smart you think you get in retrospect.
Fine, but the point was, he didn't have anyone to make his footwork "non" atrocious last year. I'm not acting like I wasn't wrong about Franklin, but I am capable of learning from the past. You evidently...not so much.
Given your established analytical skills I really don't give too much of a farting fuck what you're willing to dismiss.
A good shot at me, which is where you go, just as much as you like to attack me for it. I'm keeping this civil...can you? Again...evidently not.
And it's that bad this year. Kodi and Neil had all spring to establish themselves. They failed to do so. We're left with Todd by default because we really have no other options. And that's BAAAAAAAAAAD.
I've already answered this. You either ignored it, or are hoping I'd say something different I guess. I'd only add, that obviously I said the "It was that bad last year", because I can look back at it and make an informed opinion on it. Unless you see the future, you can't make the SAME opinion about this year and slap a "fact" label on it.
Talent with speed? Where the fuck did you see any of that?
Now you're just being silly. Ridiculous even. This doesn't make me look stupid, it makes YOU look stupid.
Role out? Is he being cast in some Broadway show? What the fuck is that?
Excuse me, "roll". Way to slap me around with a typo. Congrats.
Blah, blah, blah, nonsense. If your reading skills had improved you'd see where I already said maybe he's the best we have. But if that's the case, we are likely butt fucked.
Dude, you're so in the "we're fucked" closet, it's not even funny. You're gloom and doom all the way, and all you've done is do exactly what others have said about you here recently and given yourself a sliver of room to get out of what you're doing. Sorry, but your clearly anti-everything until the hell freezes moment that causes you to cut it out.
Burns said positive shit last year. Only NOW do they come out and claim there were fractures in the locker room.
Yes, but we do know NOW. So what's your point? I'd also argue that most of us had more than just a "hunch" that there were locker room issues last year. Seriously.
If Todd "understands" a system he didn't work in all spring or offseason better than two guys who did, then there is a problem with those two guys.
Yeah, while they were out throwing footballs, Todd was in the filmroom and studying the playbook. What a ridiculous thought.
Say whatever the hell you're going to. Lord knows you talk out your ass constantly as it is.
If so, it would only be because I bought your video. I'm returning it though. It was bullshit.
Back to ignore. I really don't have time for your trash.
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I hope to God he has improved. I hope he can throw the ball better. He certainly couldn't throw worth a fuck last year. Obama had a better arm. Maybe working with a different coach improved his footwork -- because it was atrocious last year. Quarterbacking requires precision. A five-step drop needs to be five steps, not two stumbles, three staggers, a hop a skip and a flop. That could be potentially coached and cured. Maybe working with new coaches improved his hesitancy and inability to pull the trigger. He made reads, yeah. he looked here, looked there, looked up, down, sideways, at his dick and then threw the ball at a lineman's ass. He read too much. He read War and Fucking Peace while he wobbled around in the pocket.
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I LMAO this whole paragraph!!! :rofl:
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Education is a bitch. We know it now. Hindsight is 20/20 and most learn from it when given the opportunity. You haven't. You're still acting and posting as if Todd was at 100% and he was just terrible last year. As far as responsibility, how many athletes step aside in that situation? Even injured he might have been the better option, and like I said, it was THAT bad.
Fine, but the point was, he didn't have anyone to make his footwork "non" atrocious last year. I'm not acting like I wasn't wrong about Franklin, but I am capable of learning from the past. You evidently...not so much.
A good shot at me, which is where you go, just as much as you like to attack me for it. I'm keeping this civil...can you? Again...evidently not.
I've already answered this. You either ignored it, or are hoping I'd say something different I guess. I'd only add, that obviously I said the "It was that bad last year", because I can look back at it and make an informed opinion on it. Unless you see the future, you can't make the SAME opinion about this year and slap a "fact" label on it.
Now you're just being silly. Ridiculous even. This doesn't make me look stupid, it makes YOU look stupid.
Excuse me, "roll". Way to slap me around with a typo. Congrats.
Dude, you're so in the "we're fucked" closet, it's not even funny. You're gloom and doom all the way, and all you've done is do exactly what others have said about you here recently and given yourself a sliver of room to get out of what you're doing. Sorry, but your clearly anti-everything until the hell freezes moment that causes you to cut it out.
Yes, but we do know NOW. So what's your point? I'd also argue that most of us had more than just a "hunch" that there were locker room issues last year. Seriously.
Yeah, while they were out throwing footballs, Todd was in the filmroom and studying the playbook. What a ridiculous thought.
If so, it would only be because I bought your video. I'm returning it though. It was bullshit.
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Chris Todd is the starter because he lives, breathes, and shits football. He knows damn good and well that he is up against the wall and instead of just sitting around whining and writing drivel about it, he stepped up and EARNED the job. Or maybe Franklin called and forced them to name him starter. Hmmm.
If Tyrik can learn from him in one year how to mentally prepare for the role of QB, the next 4 years will be phenomenal at QB.
Todd is the starter. If that doesn't suit you, then quit donating to the university, but please quit bashing him until he screws the pooch again. And if he doesn't, at least we have a break from the whiny asses.
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You don't know the meaning of the term. Christ.
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Chris Todd is the starter because he lives, breathes, and shits football.
I believe you. I saw him shit all over the field last year.
If Tyrik can learn from him in one year how to mentally prepare for the role of QB, the next 4 years will be phenomenal at QB.
I'm hoping that Tyrik learns from the coaches.
Todd is the starter. If that doesn't suit you, then quit donating to the university, but please quit bashing him until he screws the pooch again. And if he doesn't, at least we have a break from the whiny asses.
While we're handing out unsolicited directives: Fuck yourself raw with a corn cob. Thanks.
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I believe you. I saw him shit all over the field last year.
I'm hoping that Tyrik learns from the coaches.
While we're handing out unsolicited directives: Fuck yourself raw with a corn cob. Thanks.
Bam!
Succinctly covered all the bases. Respect.
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Chris Todd is the starter because he lives, breathes, and shits football. He knows damn good and well that he is up against the wall and instead of just sitting around whining and writing drivel about it, he stepped up and EARNED the job. Or maybe Franklin called and forced them to name him starter. Hmmm.
If Tyrik can learn from him in one year how to mentally prepare for the role of QB, the next 4 years will be phenomenal at QB.
Todd is the starter. If that doesn't suit you, then quit donating to the university, but please quit bashing him until he screws the pooch again. And if he doesn't, at least we have a break from the whiny asses.
Amen, brotha.
I'm not wasting any more time trying to cheer up the Debbie Downers.
I will divert my efforts to why I think this is an awesome move.
Just think of the trickeration possibilities with Todd, Burns, and Fannin lined up in some form of the Wildcat with Malzahn at the helm.
If we can pull something crazy off with success the first couple of times we try it, that would in the very least give the defense something to think about.
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I'm not wasting any more time trying to cheer up the Debbie Downers.
I will divert my efforts to why I think this is an awesome move.
We appreciate this effort on your part.
The next time I have a big pile of shit and think there might be a gold coin buried somewhere in it, I know just who to call to search through it.
You can return to your regularly scheduled Prowler and Chopper cheerleading now. And think about that for a while. Look to your left. Look to your right. See where you are. If you're okay with it, so am I!
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We appreciate this effort on your part.
The next time I have a big pile of shit and think there might be a gold coin buried somewhere in it, I know just who to call to search through it.
You can return to your regularly scheduled Prowler and Chopper cheerleading now. And think about that for a while. Look to your left. Look to your right. See where you are. If you're okay with it, so am I!
I love how you act like you're somehow suddenly in the majority, and it's just us three supporting the move. I read enough sites to know that the move has equal if not more support than the people that already predict this as an ultimate failure. It's okay to have a different opinion, but nobody beats the "shit on everything" approach you take.
More power to Wes, Chad, me, Prowler and even you Kaos... ..at least we're saying something.
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Bam!
Succinctly covered all the bases. Respect.
It was an homage.
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How many of you that are declaring the sky to be falling were behind Campbell coming into the 04 season after he stunk it up in 03?
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Here's the thing about the decision to start Todd.
I don't care what kind of shiny spin the dullard Choppers of the world try to put on it, unless you believe Chris Todd had some kind of holy hallelujah spiritual intervention and was reborn as a new man with a new brain and new wheels then you can't help but have questions and doubts.
The things that were wrong with Todd -- speed, bad reads, hesitancy, mechanics -- went far beyond any issue he may have had with his shoulder. Could those things be coached out? Maybe so. But could they have been coached out in the few weeks he's been able to practice? Again you'd have to have some kind of divine miracle to think it possible. Great if it happened.
If the kid can come back and be competitive and overcome all the clusterfuck things he did last season that were unrelated to his alleged shoulder problems then you've got the feel good story in the SEC and some seriously positive press.
For Chizik and Malzhan to make this move knowing that the fan (and likely media) reaction would be negative -- not as negative as the day Chiz was hired, of course so anything is better than that -- they had to believe one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt. NOT that Chris Todd was the guy, but that Kodi Burns or Neil Caudle were not capable of handling the job on any level.
Chizik is dumb. Of that I have no doubt. But he's not dumb enough to miss the point that he desperately needs something positive to happen this season in order to bolster recruiting and ease some of the nagging fears that exist everywhere but in the minds of Chizad, Chopper Beta and Prowler. So if he's making this move, knowing that it will no doubt bring even more skepticism, he (and Malzhan) must believe this is their best option.
And I say again, based on everything we've seen to this point and everything we know, that if Chris Todd is our BEST option, our remaining options are pretty bleak.
Damn straight I learn from the past. I've got a degree in history for cripe's sake. Learning from the past doesn't mean that you ignore everything that happened and apply some dumbass fantasy to it so it fits the concept you're fixated on.
You can make all the excuses for Todd you want: Bad shoulder, couldn't make throws he wanted to make, didn't have a coach, had jock itch, had a blister on his ass, had a toothache, ate a bad cheeseburger, whatever. Fact remains that he wasn't able to do the job. You can't use all those excuses as evidence that he's going to be capable now.
Maybe he will be. But that does not eliminate the fact that if he IS the best we have, given the head start Caudle and Burns had in the spring, then it CANNOT be considered a positive until proven otherwise.
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How many of you that are declaring the sky to be falling were behind Campbell coming into the 04 season after he stunk it up in 03?
You can go look it up. I was 200% behind Campbell.
I thought Campbell should have been handed the job in 2003. I fucking BRAWLED with some of you who pissed and moaned about it.
And he didn't "stink it up" in 2003 at all. That's total bullshit and more revisionist history.
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
So, you think Todd is the best QB we have.
So what the fuck are you bitching incessantly about?
I get your point that "If that's the best we can do, we're fucked", but it is stupid and baseless.
So if Kodi was the best we could do, everything would be ok? Caudle?
Forgive me for assuming that no matter who got the job, you'd find a way to bitch seven ways to Sunday. And anyone that gets excited by the decision is digging for gold in turds.
Quit crying wolf and pull the trigger of the gun you have had against your head for 8 months.
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So, you think Todd is the best QB we have.
So what the fuck are you bitching incessantly about?
I get your point that "If that's the best we can do, we're fucked", but it is stupid and baseless.
So if Kodi was the best we could do, everything would be ok? Caudle?
Forgive me for assuming that no matter who got the job, you'd find a way to bitch seven ways to Sunday. And anyone that gets excited by the decision is digging for gold in turds.
Quit crying wolf and pull the trigger of the gun you have had against your head for 8 months.
I dont' know if he's the best QB we have or not. I don't get paid to make that decision. If that's that Malzhan decided based on what he's seen, then I trust that it's so.
So what the fuck is your point?
I get your point that if Todd is the chosen one, roses and sunshine should explode from my ass.
The fact that Todd is the best we can do, in my opinion, exposes an even greater weakness than I imagined we had. I held out hope that the yips that plagued Kodi could have been exorcised. I retained a shred of belief that Caudle would step up and earn the spot. Yeah, I would have been more encouraged if one of them had won the spot because it would have signaled (at least to me) progress.
Forgive me for forgetting that no matter who got the job you'd be rolling Toomer's Corner and declaring victory. And that anyone who has questions or reservations lives in a world of shit or only has half-empty glasses.
Go ahead and mount that unicorn you've been dragging around for eight months now. It's ready and willing.
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I dont' know if he's the best QB we have or not. I don't get paid to make that decision. If that's that Malzhan decided based on what he's seen, then I trust that it's so.
So what the fuck is your point?
I get your point that if Todd is the chosen one, roses and sunshine should explode from my ass.
The fact that Todd is the best we can do, in my opinion, exposes an even greater weakness than I imagined we had. I held out hope that the yips that plagued Kodi could have been exorcised. I retained a shred of belief that Caudle would step up and earn the spot. Yeah, I would have been more encouraged if one of them had won the spot because it would have signaled (at least to me) progress.
Forgive me for forgetting that no matter who got the job you'd be rolling Toomer's Corner and declaring victory. And that anyone who has questions or reservations lives in a world of shit or only has half-empty glasses.
Go ahead and mount that unicorn you've been dragging around for eight months now. It's ready and willing.
I would surmise that if we really do just have a perfume laden turd at QB in lieu of just a stinky one then this must be laid at the previous administrations feet.
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I hope I'm wrong.
I want to be wrong.
Todd has simply left a horrible taste in my mouth.
That said, I trust Gus. He made Paul Fucking Smith a QB that led the top offense in the nation.
Fuck it, I'm going to get a beer.
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Todd has simply left a horrible taste in my mouth.
Swallow next time. Quit snowballing.
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Swallow next time. Quit snowballing.
37??
Try not to suck any dick on the way to the parking lot!
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I dont' know if he's the best QB we have or not. I don't get paid to make that decision. If that's that Malzhan decided based on what he's seen, then I trust that it's so.
So what the fuck is your point?
I get your point that if Todd is the chosen one, roses and sunshine should explode from my ass.
The fact that Todd is the best we can do, in my opinion, exposes an even greater weakness than I imagined we had. I held out hope that the yips that plagued Kodi could have been exorcised. I retained a shred of belief that Caudle would step up and earn the spot. Yeah, I would have been more encouraged if one of them had won the spot because it would have signaled (at least to me) progress.
Forgive me for forgetting that no matter who got the job you'd be rolling Toomer's Corner and declaring victory. And that anyone who has questions or reservations lives in a world of shit or only has half-empty glasses.
Go ahead and mount that unicorn you've been dragging around for eight months now. It's ready and willing.
What fucking unicorn? Because I'm not shitting my pants over who the coaches picked at QB?
The only segment of any substance in the drivel quoted above is the following.
I held out hope that the yips that plagued Kodi could have been exorcised. I retained a shred of belief that Caudle would step up and earn the spot. Yeah, I would have been more encouraged if one of them had won the spot because it would have signaled (at least to me) progress.
So how can you say this out of one side of your mouth, and then completely ignore the fact that Todd was severely injured last year and has since obtained a new shoulder that by all accounts is serving him well?
Why can it only be a good thing if anyone but the guy they actually picked at QB has shown progression? Because they picked Todd. So you must now bitch about Todd and declare him one of the four horsemen of the Auburn Apocalypse along with Chizik, Jacobs, and the water boy.
It has been reported that Auburn will be switching to blue Gatorade instead of the Lemon-Lime Gatorade that was supplied last season
Kaos: What the fuuuuuuuuuuck!!!! We're doooooooooomed!!! Chizik is tearing me apart!!!!!!!
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Sidenote:
Why no stories from Vegas?
What the hell, man?
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I would surmise that if we really do just have a perfume laden turd at QB in lieu of just a stinky one then this must be laid at the previous administrations feet.
Partially, yeah.
Caudle was a four-star coming out of high school. He was one of our in-state coups.
Burns was a four-star coming out of high school. We showed we were a national force by snatching him from Arkansas' back yard.
Todd was a project that nobody but Troy really wanted and then only because of Franklin. He wouldn't even BE at Auburn except for Franklin.
You can point fingers at the previous administration, yeah, but both Caudle and Burns were highlights of their respective recruiting classes. Most thought Burns was the next Mike Vick. The black Tim Tebow. The second coming of Dameyune Craig. Caudle was the next Brandon Cox, the new Jeff Burger or maybe at least Ben Leard.
Why they failed to meet that promise? Not my place to say, but either their high school rankings were total bullshit or somebody at Auburn failed them along the way.
I think it's safe to say Auburn failed Burns. Shredded a needed redshirt year in a panic because Brandon was gimpy. Fucked his confidence with the Franklin/Todd saga and then ass raped him with the changes last year. I can understand how he is where he is.
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I dont' know if he's the best QB we have or not. I don't get paid to make that decision. If that's that Malzhan decided based on what he's seen, then I trust that it's so.
So what the fuck is your point?
The point is, you bitch bitch bitch about shit you don't even know about. Wes, just disagrees, but doesn't write pages and pages of bullshit trying to justify and mock other posters.
Just my take.
I get your point that if Todd is the chosen one, roses and sunshine should explode from my ass.
NOBODY said this.
The fact that Todd is the best we can do, in my opinion, exposes an even greater weakness than I imagined we had. I held out hope that the yips that plagued Kodi could have been exorcised. I retained a shred of belief that Caudle would step up and earn the spot. Yeah, I would have been more encouraged if one of them had won the spot because it would have signaled (at least to me) progress.
This is what you feel because you've completely dismissed all reasoning that Todd just might be better, and that all the shit you made fun of in your last explanation (shoulder, coaching, etc...) might actually have been a variable in his horrible year last year.
Forgive me for forgetting that no matter who got the job you'd be rolling Toomer's Corner and declaring victory. And that anyone who has questions or reservations lives in a world of shit or only has half-empty glasses.
Go ahead and mount that unicorn you've been dragging around for eight months now. It's ready and willing.
The only one here taking extreme view or claiming anything is you. Nobody has called this a shoe in success, rather than had opinions on the reasonings behind it and support the decision as it is now.
Keep up with the mocking and colorful adjectives though.
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Why they failed to meet that promise? Not my place to say, but either their high school rankings were total bullshit or somebody at Auburn failed them along the way.
Come on. You can say it. "Somebody at Auburn" = Tuberville and staff. They are the ones directly responsible for the development of the players' athletic abilities.
It's not to shit on Tuberville's legacy, but you have to be honest in assessing the good and bad of that legacy.
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What fucking unicorn? Because I'm not shitting my pants over who the coaches picked at QB?
The only segment of any substance in the drivel quoted above is the following.
So how can you say this out of one side of your mouth, and then completely ignore the fact that Todd was severely injured last year and has since obtained a new shoulder that by all accounts is serving him well?
Why can it only be a good thing if anyone but the guy they actually picked at QB has shown progression? Because they picked Todd. So you must now bitch about Todd and declare him one of the four horsemen of the Auburn Apocalypse along with Chizik, Jacobs, and the water boy.
It has been reported that Auburn will be switching to blue Gatorade instead of the Lemon-Lime Gatorade that was supplied last season
Kaos: What the fuuuuuuuuuuck!!!! We're doooooooooomed!!! Chizik is tearing me apart!!!!!!!
Seriously? Get the fuck over yourself.
I've got an opinion. I'm going to express it. So fucking sorry it doesn't mesh with yours. I'm not shitting anything. I was hoping that we wouldn't be here with Todd emerging as the starter, but here we are. i think that is a negative. Guarantee you I'm not alone in that sentiment.
I've said it five fucking times now, but I'll repeat it again for you. Unless you believe in miracles, Todd did not show me anything last year that would lead me to believe he'd have the mental or physical skill to overcome somebody who had a full spring's head start on him. His shoulder issues did not make him slower, did not cause every bad decision he made, had no impact on his footwork, etc. So if he was able to come back in three weeks and knock off the other two guys who had substantially more prep time that HAS to say something about where we are. I contend that something isn't good. Blow that the fuck up any way you want to, Chawk.
On another note? Hyperbole doesn't become you. You've become as mulishly pedantic as Chopper, unable to read anything I say without filtering it through your own personal bias and overreacting. Because you enter every discussion with your preconceived bias, you've become unable to respond with rationality. Congratulations.
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Sidenote:
Why no stories from Vegas?
What the hell, man?
I wish there were some incredible stories, but there just wasn't. We went with a bunch of couples.
Went and saw Blue Man Group and Penn & Teller. Lost a lot of money at the casinos.
My lady friend is a down-assed bitch that was trying as hard as me to convince the other girls to go to a sleezy strip club. They weren't having it. We were inches away from going by ourselves, but finally just gave in to lose our money at the casino with the rest of them instead of into a g-string.
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Come on. You can say it. "Somebody at Auburn" = Tuberville and staff. They are the ones directly responsible for the development of the players' athletic abilities.
It's not to shit on Tuberville's legacy, but you have to be honest in assessing the good and bad of that legacy.
I did say it. Sorry I didn't spell it out specifically.
Yes, Tuberville and his staff failed Kodi Burns. I said how.
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Seriously? Get the fuck over yourself.
I've got an opinion. I'm going to express it. So fucking sorry it doesn't mesh with yours.
On another note? Hyperbole doesn't become you. You've become as mulishly pedantic as Chopper, unable to read anything I say without filtering it through your own personal bias and overreacting. Because you enter every discussion with your preconceived bias, you've become unable to respond with rationality. Congratulations.
Pot. Meet Kettle.
Notice that neither me or Chopper are nearly as irritated at Wes.
That's because Wes isn't calling us ignorant in 15 different ways.
I could give a fuck what your opinion is. You obviously have serious problems with mine.
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Partially, yeah.
Caudle was a four-star coming out of high school. He was one of our in-state coups.
Burns was a four-star coming out of high school. We showed we were a national force by snatching him from Arkansas' back yard.
Todd was a project that nobody but Troy really wanted and then only because of Franklin. He wouldn't even BE at Auburn except for Franklin.
You can point fingers at the previous administration, yeah, but both Caudle and Burns were highlights of their respective recruiting classes. Most thought Burns was the next Mike Vick. The black Tim Tebow. The second coming of Dameyune Craig. Caudle was the next Brandon Cox, the new Jeff Burger or maybe at least Ben Leard.
Why they failed to meet that promise? Not my place to say, but either their high school rankings were total bullshit or somebody at Auburn failed them along the way.
I think it's safe to say Auburn failed Burns. Shredded a needed redshirt year in a panic because Brandon was gimpy. Fucked his confidence with the Franklin/Todd saga and then ass raped him with the changes last year. I can understand how he is where he is.
...and none of this means SHIT as to Auburn's current situation at QB. It is what it is, but the current staff didn't cause any of it. Todd, Burns and Caudle were there when they all arrived on scene, and regardless of the cirmcumstances behind Todd's arrival, after a fair competition, he won the job.
Get the fuck over it.
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I did say it. Sorry I didn't spell it out specifically.
Yes, Tuberville and his staff failed Kodi Burns. I said how.
You mention the wasting of his frosh year, but you neglected the greater injustice.
They failed Caudle, too, under your analysis.
Neither player has apparently been coached since they hit campus.
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I did say it. Sorry I didn't spell it out specifically.
Yes, Tuberville and his staff failed Kodi Burns. I said how.
No you didn't. Whatever though.
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I wish there were some incredible stories, but there just wasn't. We went with a bunch of couples.
Went and saw Blue Man Group and Penn & Teller. Lost a lot of money at the casinos.
My lady friend is a down-assed bitch that was trying as hard as me to convince the other girls to go to a sleezy strip club. They weren't having it. We were inches away from going by ourselves, but finally just gave in to lose our money at the casino with the rest of them instead of into a g-string.
I gotta tell ya: I'm underwhelmed. You're young, relatively single, and you go see BMG and Penn & Teller in Vegas? No titty bars?
Chad, it's time we had "the talk".
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You mention the wasting of his frosh year, but you neglected the greater injustice.
They failed Caudle, too, under your analysis.
Neither player has apparently been coached since they hit campus.
Maybe. I never really thought Caudle would be anything but a serviceable backup. Burns was supposed to be the guy. There was failure there.
Last year was a debacle, too. Burns was clearly failed last year. Thought that went without saying.
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I gotta tell ya: I'm underwhelmed. You're young, relatively single, and you go see BMG and Penn & Teller in Vegas? No titty bars?
Chad, it's time we had "the talk".
Talk to wreckingball. Or more specifically his girlfriend and her friends.
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Maybe. I never really thought Caudle would be anything but a serviceable backup. Burns was supposed to be the guy. There was failure there.
Last year was a debacle, too. Burns was clearly failed last year. Thought that went without saying.
I'm going to bust your balls a little longer on this point, because you're mealy-mouthing it.
Your prior post said:
Caudle was a four-star coming out of high school. He was one of our in-state coups.
Burns was a four-star coming out of high school. We showed we were a national force by snatching him from Arkansas' back yard.
You can point fingers at the previous administration, yeah, but both Caudle and Burns were highlights of their respective recruiting classes.
Why they failed to meet that promise? Not my place to say, but either their high school rankings were total bullshit or somebody at Auburn failed them along the way.
So, you admit that the kids were highly ranked and big recruiting coups. Then you pissy-dance around the fact that Tuberville, et al, did diddly squat with them once they made it to campus.
Not "Auburn", not "somebody at Auburn", but Tommy T. and the gang. I love the guy as much as anyone, but the final few years of his tenure were for crap.
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Talk to wreckingball. Or more specifically his girlfriend and her friends.
You've got to know when to cut the dead-weight out of your crew and strike off on your own.
Taylor did fill us in, however, on your need to schedule your vacation.
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Pot. Meet Kettle.
Notice that neither me or Chopper are nearly as irritated at Wes.
That's because Wes isn't calling us ignorant in 15 different ways.
I could give a fuck what your opinion is. You obviously have serious problems with mine.
A. You're aligning yourself with Chopper. That speaks volumes.
B. Don't GIVE a fuck at whom you're irritated.
C. If you think you're being called ignorant, then your own insecurities are showing. I'm just saying what I think.
D. I have no problem with you or your opinion, only your bleeding ass 'half empty glass' bullshit that's applied to any opinion I express.
E. I do have a problem with Chopper and don't expect that to change because he has never understood that you can disagree with someone's opinion without making it a personal issue. You say "what a stupid thing to say" and Chopper (insecurity roaring) reads "You are a dumbass." It's sad to see you slipping into that level of retardation.
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So, how does this reflect poorly on Chizik, because we all know everything does (to you).
The point is, Malzahn and Chizik know that it is in their best interest to have the best guy on the field. They think it's Todd. Despite your holy knowledge you've obtained from years of pee-wee football coaching, I'm trusting their analysis before yours. Forgive me while I fuck this unicorn.
Flowery adjectives aside, what exactly, are you bitching about?
You think that if Burns or Caudle had improved from dismal, it would be a sign of progress, but if Todd (who was the better of the 2 starters last year, and who has been the standout by all accounts during practices) does the same, we're "butt-fucked". Why the distinction. Todd had an actual physical hindrance last year that he has overcome, unlike the others.
Burns is ok with this. Why can't you be?
Here's some unicorns and rainbows for you, as I haven't given you a reason before now to use that analogy.
How about for once, you believe in Auburn and love it.
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How about for once, you believe in Auburn and love it.
CREED PHACE!!!!
Edit note: On the 4th of July, I saw a guido with a tattoo across his back. Four-inch, gothic lettering: CREED.
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Taylor did fill us in, however, on your need to schedule your vacation.
I don't know what this means.
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I don't know what this means.
He said that you're anal about your vacation itinerary.
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I'm going to bust your balls a little longer on this point, because you're mealy-mouthing it.
Your prior post said:
So, you admit that the kids were highly ranked and big recruiting coups. Then you pissy-dance around the fact that Tuberville, et al, did diddly squat with them once they made it to campus.
Not "Auburn", not "somebody at Auburn", but Tommy T. and the gang. I love the guy as much as anyone, but the final few years of his tenure were for crap.
DAMN.
Tommy Tuberville and staff failed to develop Kodi Burns. Whether that was possible or not is not something I can address. Maybe he was not all that on a ritz cracker like they thought. But the fact remains that he was not developed and the moves that were made over the course of his first two years could have been potentially disastrous to his ability to progress.
Caudle's situation was different. Maybe they failed him. Maybe they didn't. No way to know.
I said that. Again. I can have it notarized if you'd like.
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A. You're aligning yourself with Chopper. That speaks volumes.
This DOES speak volumes. All he has is a different opinion than you. Just like I do, so therefore we're "aligned"? You're fucking falling apart in front of everyone.
B. Don't GIVE a fuck at whom you're irritated.
Nobody doubts this.
C. If you think you're being called ignorant, then your own insecurities are showing. I'm just saying what I think.
You completely whiff on the what he was saying...as usual, because it doesn't fit your thinking.
D. I have no problem with you or your opinion, only your bleeding ass 'half empty glass' bullshit that's applied to any opinion I express.
So, this is better than your "unicorn" and "chizdick sucking Loon" comments? Please nigga'!
E. I do have a problem with Chopper and don't expect that to change because he has never understood that you can disagree with someone's opinion without making it a personal issue. You say "what a stupid thing to say" and Chopper (insecurity roaring) reads "You are a dumbass." It's sad to see you slipping into that level of retardation.
What can I say, I was memorized by Billy Mays selling your shit. It was late and I had a few bucks to burn.
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DAMN.
Tommy Tuberville and staff failed to develop Kodi Burns. Whether that was possible or not is not something I can address. Maybe he was not all that on a ritz cracker like they thought. But the fact remains that he was not developed and the moves that were made over the course of his first two years could have been potentially disastrous to his ability to progress.
Caudle's situation was different. Maybe they failed him. Maybe they didn't. No way to know.
I said that. Again. I can have it notarized if you'd like.
You're still hedging...
You either need to say "Recruiting rankings are for shit and these kids never had the talent" or "Tuberville and company fucked up."
How are the two situations different? You've lumped them together as high-profile recruiting coups.
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I don't know what this means.
Fuck you (Taylor).
That again, would fall to wreckingball's girlfriend. I may pile up on ideas of possible things to do, but I've never been a stickler about sticking to them.
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Fuck you (Taylor).
That again, would fall to wreckingball's girlfriend. I may pile up on ideas of possible things to do, but I've never been a stickler about sticking to them.
If it makes you feel better: he crapped out...again...
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If it makes you feel better: he crapped out...again...
Hurt foot and all.... :bowl:
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:bowl:
This never fails to make me smile.
BOWL!!!!!
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Oh weeping creeping Jesus, someone PLEASE hijack this thread!! This is like a really shitty movie that I want to walk out on but can't, because I keep thinking something is going to happen worth watching.
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Oh weeping creeping Jesus, someone PLEASE hijack this thread!! This is like a really shitty movie that I want to walk out on but can't, because I keep thinking something is going to happen worth watching.
Hey, I'm trying my best here with Vegas, bowl cut and Creed tattoo asides.
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So, how does this reflect poorly on Chizik, because we all know everything does (to you).
The point is, Malzahn and Chizik know that it is in their best interest to have the best guy on the field. They think it's Todd. Despite your holy knowledge you've obtained from years of pee-wee football coaching, I'm trusting their analysis before yours. Forgive me while I fuck this unicorn.
Flowery adjectives aside, what exactly, are you bitching about?
You think that if Burns or Caudle had improved from dismal, it would be a sign of progress, but if Todd (who was the better of the 2 starters last year, and who has been the standout by all accounts during practices).
Burns is ok with this. Why can't you be?
Here's some unicorns and rainbows for you, as I haven't given you a reason before now to use that analogy.
How about for once, you believe in Auburn and love it.
God DAMN, Chizad.
I said from the outset that this wasn't a negative toward Chizik or Malzhan. Fuck a raging duck.
I also never said whether I was "okay" with it or not -- and it really doesn't make a limp dick fuck at a diabetic ferret if me or you or anybody else is "okay" with it. My only point was (and remains) that if Todd can overtake those two other guys after they had the spring head start on him then I don't see that as a good thing overall. It means that our QB situation is (potentially) worse than most of us imagined.
I'm not "bitching" about anything. This is the "half empty glass" filter you apply to everything these days. I post something and because I'm pretty clear about not being on the Chizik wagon, your first assumption is that it's somehow bitching.
An opinion is not bitching. It's just what I think.
I'm not asking that they do anything different. I'm not saying that I necessarily disagree with the decision that was made. It's pretty simple. If Todd's the clear cut starter -- unless he's had some kind of miracle -- then our QB situation is pretty bleak.
I fucking SAID that although Chizik is dumb he's not dumb enough to trash a season, particularly given his situation. At least I hope that's the case. So if they've settled on Todd, they believe he gives us the best chance to win. I'm sorry that doesn't fill me with great confidence.
The Auburn Creed defense is so AUNation. And it's utter bullshit. I love my wife. I love my kids. That doesn't mean I sit back and accept whatever the fuck they want to do without expressing an opinion should I disagree with it. It does mean that they can do pretty much anything -- no matter how mad it makes me -- and I'll still love them. Just like now. I'm sitting here typing this reply wearing my Auburn shorts, an AU shirt, an AU hat, orange and blue shoes and looking at a painting of Bo going over the top on my study wall. I haven't stopped loving Auburn and I won't now or ever. But that does not require blind cheerleading or unicorn fucking.
BTW? Fuck you with the motherfucking pee-wee coaching line, you retching bitch. That's vintage Chopper and beneath you. Or at least I thought it was. You really disgraced yourself there. My coaching background -- which was at high school and a long time ago, cocksucker -- rarely plays into my opinions. I don't bring it up. You do. I'm sorry you don't have that experience to fall back on, but I don't need your continued insecurity popping up about it. I promise I don't think your opinions any less valid because you haven't been there. (Since your filters are CLEARLY off, allow me to note for the record that I was being sarcastic there).
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Oh weeping creeping Jesus, someone PLEASE hijack this thread!! This is like a really shitty movie that I want to walk out on but can't, because I keep thinking something is going to happen worth watching.
You're in Arkansas. Can't you just go fuck your cousin or your sister or a gerbil or something until we get done?
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My coaching background -- which was at high school and a long time ago, cocksucker -- rarely plays into my opinions. I don't bring it up.
I do believe you're talking out of your ass, Red.
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God DAMN, Chizad.
I said from the outset that this wasn't a negative toward Chizik or Malzhan. Fuck a raging duck.
I also never said whether I was "okay" with it or not -- and it really doesn't make a limp dick fuck at a diabetic ferret if me or you or anybody else is "okay" with it. My only point was (and remains) that if Todd can overtake those two other guys after they had the spring head start on him then I don't see that as a good thing overall. It means that our QB situation is (potentially) worse than most of us imagined.
I'm not "bitching" about anything. This is the "half empty glass" filter you apply to everything these days. I post something and because I'm pretty clear about not being on the Chizik wagon, your first assumption is that it's somehow bitching.
An opinion is not bitching. It's just what I think.
I'm not asking that they do anything different. I'm not saying that I necessarily disagree with the decision that was made. It's pretty simple. If Todd's the clear cut starter -- unless he's had some kind of miracle -- then our QB situation is pretty bleak.
I fucking SAID that although Chizik is dumb he's not dumb enough to trash a season, particularly given his situation. At least I hope that's the case. So if they've settled on Todd, they believe he gives us the best chance to win. I'm sorry that doesn't fill me with great confidence.
The Auburn Creed defense is so AUNation. And it's utter bullshit. I love my wife. I love my kids. That doesn't mean I sit back and accept whatever the fuck they want to do without expressing an opinion should I disagree with it. It does mean that they can do pretty much anything -- no matter how mad it makes me -- and I'll still love them. Just like now. I'm sitting here typing this reply wearing my Auburn shorts, an AU shirt, an AU hat, orange and blue shoes and looking at a painting of Bo going over the top on my study wall. I haven't stopped loving Auburn and I won't now or ever. But that does not require blind cheerleading or unicorn fucking.
BTW? Fuck you with the motherfucking pee-wee coaching line, you retching bitch. That's vintage Chopper and beneath you. Or at least I thought it was. You really disgraced yourself there. My coaching background -- which was at high school and a long time ago, cocksucker -- rarely plays into my opinions. I don't bring it up. You do. I'm sorry you don't have that experience to fall back on, but I don't need your continued insecurity popping up about it. I promise I don't think your opinions any less valid because you haven't been there. (Since your filters are CLEARLY off, allow me to note for the record that I was being sarcastic there).
There isn't ONE person on this board that probably read that, and at some point didn't go, "bullshit" at one point or another. JMO...
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You're still hedging...
You either need to say "Recruiting rankings are for shit and these kids never had the talent" or "Tuberville and company fucked up."
How are the two situations different? You've lumped them together as high-profile recruiting coups.
No hedging at all.
Recruiting rankings are for shit. Some highly ranked kids don't live up to the hype. Some lower ranked kids exceed expectations. They're a nice way to give a relative evaluation to a class, but what they mean or don't mean comes from whether they actually get in and whether they were properly utilized.
Both were four star recruits, but Burns had more "flash" than Caudle. More was expected. Tuberville and his staff did a piss poor job of developing Kodi Burns. I've said that four times now. It will be delivered to you via certified mail, notarized and witnessed.
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And three more pages of whiny ass has ensued.
People see what they want to see. Some see everything Chizik does as bad. Others just want to be able to cheer the team on the best they can and enjoy life.
May the enema of life clean out your anger.
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I do believe you're talking out of your ass, Red.
There are instances where it's germane, but I've never said my opinion should have more gravitas because I coached high school football. Obviously if I hadn't told you I did, you wouldn't know. So that, in itself, means it's been mentioned. So what?
The weak never fail to downgrade it out of their own insecurities, however.
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Both were four star recruits, but Burns had more "flash" than Caudle.
How do you figure? Caudle was Elite 11. Are you laying your own bias over the situation?
Objectively, there is no difference in their situations: highly rated qbs, big recruiting coups, NO on-campus development.
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And three more pages of whiny ass has ensued.
People see what they want to see. Some see everything Chizik does as bad. Others just want to be able to cheer the team on the best they can and enjoy life.
May the enema of life clean out your anger.
Congratulations to adding to the thread.
I'd like to suggest that you go back and read it before commenting.
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The weak never fail to downgrade it out of their own insecurities, however.
The falsely secure and oblivious use it as a security blanket.
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How do you figure? Caudle was Elite 11. Are you laying your own bias over the situation?
Objectively, there is no difference in their situations: highly rated qbs, big recruiting coups, NO on-campus development.
Possibly adding my own bias, yes.
Burns' recruitment got much more press/attention than did Caudle's.
Caudle also spent most of the first two years with various injuries that kept him out of practice and out of the rotation.
For that reason, I'm less willing to cast blame on the Tuberville staff for his development.
Burns' flameout was very public and much discussed. Caudle was always pretty much an afterthought. Third guy on the totem pole.
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Possibly adding my own bias, yes.
Burns' recruitment got much more press/attention than did Caudle's.
Caudle also spent most of the first two years with various injuries that kept him out of practice and out of the rotation.
For that reason, I'm less willing to cast blame on the Tuberville staff for his development.
Burns' flameout was very public and much discussed. Caudle was always pretty much an afterthought. Third guy on the totem pole.
So if you can dismiss injury to Caudle and give less blame to Tuberville, how is that you completely dismiss giving Todd the same latitude?
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I'm not "bitching" about anything. This is the "half empty glass" filter you apply to everything these days. I post something and because I'm pretty clear about not being on the Chizik wagon, your first assumption is that it's somehow bitching.
I'm not alone. What do you expect when that's all you fucking do here? To pull a move from your playbook, you had an ally in wes with the basic premise of your argument ("I dislike Todd as the choice for QB), but lost all support when you went on your trademark insult-laden tirades devoid of any discernible logic. It's way past its expiration date. Furthermore, the entire premise of your argument in this thread is that Tuberville has fucked up our talent for this year. If this season is a bust, then by your argument in this thread, you should surrender the fact that the previous administration left us with no talent. You should recognize the fact that this puts Chizik in a difficult position to win from. But you won't. You'll talk out of both sides or your mouth, so that 100% of every single aspect of every single thing is doom & gloom, even when logic dictates that otherwise.
An opinion is not bitching. It's just what I think.
Fine. I'm ok with that. You're the one that has a problem with opposing opinion. You're the one bringing out the "unicorn fucking", attacking "established analytical skills". Do you think because you polish it up with pretty wording that, you're not calling people ignorant?
The Auburn Creed defense is so AUNation. And it's utter bullshit. I love my wife. I love my kids. That doesn't mean I sit back and accept whatever the fuck they want to do without expressing an opinion should I disagree with it. It does mean that they can do pretty much anything -- no matter how mad it makes me -- and I'll still love them. Just like now. I'm sitting here typing this reply wearing my Auburn shorts, an AU shirt, an AU hat, orange and blue shoes and looking at a painting of Bo going over the top on my study wall. I haven't stopped loving Auburn and I won't now or ever. But that does not require blind cheerleading or unicorn fucking.
I said that mostly to trip a wire in you. No, it doesn't mean you have to blindly accept everything handed to you, but it does mean that once in a blue bleeding moon you have confidence in the team.
BTW? Fuck you with the motherfucking pee-wee coaching line, you retching bitch. That's vintage Chopper and beneath you. Or at least I thought it was. You really disgraced yourself there. My coaching background -- which was at high school and a long time ago, cocksucker -- rarely plays into my opinions. I don't bring it up. You do. I'm sorry you don't have that experience to fall back on, but I don't need your continued insecurity popping up about it. I promise I don't think your opinions any less valid because you haven't been there. (Since your filters are CLEARLY off, allow me to note for the record that I was being sarcastic there).
:bs: How would I even know of your past coaching experience if you didn't bring it up as evidence that you "know coaching" more than Chizik does on multiple occasions?
I got it though. My filters are just fine. They didn't blip once when you were calling me a "retching bitch" and a "cocksucker", yet they were going crazy on that last sentence, where the literal translation is "I'm better than you, and more knowledgeable than you because of my amateur coaching experience."
My irony filter is off-the-charts. Everyone else is making this personal. You've never used your "ol' coaching days" as a pulpit to talk down on us ignorant to the ways of coaching.
Got it.
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Congratulations to adding to the thread.
I'd like to suggest that you go back and read it before commenting.
Same ole. Same ole except for some Vegas side notes. Besides, it's to the point where your posts end up with the same tone each time. You really must be very unhappy with the situation at AU right now. I hate that for you. Life is too short. Football will be played with or without your support at AU this season. Seems that now all there is to do is sit back and see if your predictions come true, or if things just go relatively well this season. Either way you will probably be upset.
As for the rest of us, Todd is now the starter until he breaks something or screws the pooch. I wish him and the team well.
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Caudle was always pretty much an afterthought. Third guy on the totem pole.
Bingo.
So now you want him as a starter, since it has already been decided that he's not.
They say the QB that never sees the field is the most popular, but damn.
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I'm not alone. What do you expect when that's all you fucking do here? To pull a move from your playbook, you had an ally in wes with the basic premise of your argument ("I dislike Todd as the choice for QB), but lost all support when you went on your trademark insult-laden tirades devoid of any discernible logic. It's way past its expiration date. Furthermore, the entire premise of your argument in this thread is that Tuberville has fucked up our talent for this year. If this season is a bust, then by your argument in this thread, you should surrender the fact that the previous administration left us with no talent. You should recognize the fact that this puts Chizik in a difficult position to win from. But you won't. You'll talk out of both sides or your mouth, so that 100% of every single aspect of every single thing is doom & gloom, even when logic dictates that otherwise.
Fine. I'm ok with that. You're the one that has a problem with opposing opinion. You're the one bringing out the "unicorn fucking", attacking "established analytical skills". Do you think because you polish it up with pretty wording that, you're not calling people ignorant?
I said that mostly to trip a wire in you. No, it doesn't mean you have to blindly accept everything handed to you, but it does mean that once in a blue bleeding moon you have confidence in the team.
:bs: How would I even know of your past coaching experience if you didn't bring it up as evidence that you "know coaching" more than Chizik does on multiple occasions?
I got it though. My filters are just fine. They didn't blip once when you were calling me a "retching bitch" and a "cocksucker", yet they were going crazy on that last sentence, where the literal translation is "I'm better than you, and more knowledgeable than you because of my amateur coaching experience."
My irony filter is off-the-charts. Everyone else is making this personal. You've never used your "ol' coaching days" as a pulpit to talk down on us ignorant to the ways of coaching.
Got it.
Insult laden tirades? Please. Put a tampon in it.
You're not alone? Guess what? Neither am I. Maybe we should get our armies together and have a dumbass war. *sigh* Tonight we dine in hell. Or Fairhope. Do they serve sushi in hell? Because I'm feeling sushi. Fairhope's probably closer. Maybe my army will just go there.
At no point did I say that this was Chizik's fault. You tried to jam those words into my mouth because it's your forte these days. If you want to see the ascension of Chris Todd as some kind of magical, wonderful seminal moment, that's your choice. I'm not going to agree with it. But it's not Chizik's fault. It's what we have. I'm disappointed that neither Burns nor Caudle stepped up, but again, it exposes a significant weakness that has to be addressed.
The unicorn fucking line is standard MO, just like your half-empty glass comment. You apply it to everything. Didn't realize it was going to send you into some kind of rabid orbit.
The analytical skills comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at Chopper. I have no respect for his opinion or his manner of delivery and on the rare occasions when I take his monkey ass off ignore, that's the mildest insult you're likely to see. If you want to make it your crusade to defend his honor, I can't help you there.
Never said I know more about coaching than Chizik. I don't know shit, really. I coached for four years at a medium-sized high school and have several friends who are still coaches. Doesn't give me any special insight. Anybody who says that their past experience doesn't affect their current perception is a liar. But if you think you're being "talked down to" because I used to coach then that's really your problem and not mine. It's certainly not in my head. It's not anything I think. Yeah, sometimes there might be things that I learned from coaching or from anything else I've done in business or whatever else that makes me think I'm right about something. But that's not talking down. Unless YOU read it that way.
You'll have to go back and show me where I took any personal shots at anybody but Chopper. It's why I don't bother to read his horse shit. I don't need to see it. Don't care to see it. Don't want to see it. I've got no use for the guy because he doesn't understand boundaries.
This is utterly ridiculous.
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How do you figure? Caudle was Elite 11. Are you laying your own bias over the situation?
Objectively, there is no difference in their situations: highly rated qbs, big recruiting coups, NO on-campus development.
Sometime recruits just don't pan out, even when they are highly rated. Star Jackson was Elite 11. More than likely, he has turned out to be a bust. If McCarron is higher on the depth chart than Jackson when the season starts, we'll know. Its not always the coaches fault, its not always the kids' fault either.
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Bingo.
So now you want him as a starter, since it has already been decided that he's not.
They say the QB that never sees the field is the most popular, but damn.
No bingo. Bingo would mean you had a point.
I didn't want to see Brandon Cox or Jason Campbell or any of them start as freshmen either. But Caudle is a junior now. He's had time to put on muscle, to learn the system, get over his injuries or whatever.
I also never said I WANTED anybody to be the starter. For the fiftieth fucking time, only that if Todd can come in after missing the entire spring and he beats out Kodi AND Caudle then one of two things happened. He had some kind of miracle recovery that not only fixed his shoulder but gave him bionic eyes, ears, feet and knees OR the situation at quarterback is more bleak than we hoped.
And that's all. The rest of this shit is extraneous.
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The analytical skills comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed at Chopper. I have no respect for his opinion or his manner of delivery and on the rare occasions when I take his monkey ass off ignore, that's the mildest insult you're likely to see. If you want to make it your crusade to defend his honor, I can't help you there.
You mention this over and over as if it makes you look above it all. Fucking ridiculous and exactly why I find it funny as hell. You just can't handle BS being thrown directly back in your face. Period.
You'll have to go back and show me where I took any personal shots at anybody but Chopper. It's why I don't bother to read his horse shit. I don't need to see it. Don't care to see it. Don't want to see it. I've got no use for the guy because he doesn't understand boundaries.
You'll forgive me if my compassion meter is on empty here.
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Same ole. Same ole except for some Vegas side notes. Besides, it's to the point where your posts end up with the same tone each time. You really must be very unhappy with the situation at AU right now. I hate that for you. Life is too short. Football will be played with or without your support at AU this season. Seems that now all there is to do is sit back and see if your predictions come true, or if things just go relatively well this season. Either way you will probably be upset.
As for the rest of us, Todd is now the starter until he breaks something or screws the pooch. I wish him and the team well.
Congratulations again. You discovered my secret. I don't like what's going on with the Auburn athletic department now.
The rest of this post is babble.
Still love Auburn, still support Auburn. Always have always will. Still hope Auburn wins.
Since we're all going to just sit back and see how things play out and there's no need to discuss it or have any sort of opinion on it at all, may I suggest that we just close this bitch down?
Turn off access. There's no need to even have this board since that's the case.
Who's with me?
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I didn't want to see Brandon Cox or Jason Campbell or any of them start as freshmen either. But Caudle is a junior now. He's had time to put on muscle, to learn the system, get over his injuries or whatever.
..But Todd doing the same thing would just be a "miracle recovery" and "bionic eyes, ears, feet and knees". Ridiculous.
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As an aside?
Will somebody go back and explain to Chopper the meaning of the word "ignore?"
I can only assume that since his name tends to pop up after every post I make, he's out there flailing at windmills and trying to score baby points on me somehow.
Please let him know that I really don't give a fuck what he has to say. I'm not going to read it. He's wasting his time.
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Sometime recruits just don't pan out, even when they are highly rated. Star Jackson was Elite 11. More than likely, he has turned out to be a bust. If McCarron is higher on the depth chart than Jackson when the season starts, we'll know. Its not always the coaches fault, its not always the kids' fault either.
Impossible rws.
Either the coaches failed or star ratings are bullshit. It's black and white. Impossible that star ratings for one player were inflated, while the coaches failed another highly-rated prospect. That's just illogical and unrealistic.
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As an aside?
Will somebody go back and explain to Chopper the meaning of the word "ignore?"
I can only assume that since his name tends to pop up after every post I make, he's out there flailing at windmills and trying to score baby points on me somehow.
Please let him know that I really don't give a fuck what he has to say. I'm not going to read it. He's wasting his time.
As evidenced by your CONSTANT references. I can't help that you can't handle what I have to say. I've never put you on ignore. I can stomach it.
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You're in Arkansas. Can't you just go fuck your cousin or your sister or a gerbil or something until we get done?
Well he ain't in Arkansas and he has no sister. If he did I would have already hit it.
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Well he ain't in Arkansas and he has no sister. If he did I would have already hit it.
So five pages ago.
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As an aside?
Will somebody go back and explain to Chopper the meaning of the word "ignore?"
I can only assume that since his name tends to pop up after every post I make, he's out there flailing at windmills and trying to score baby points on me somehow.
Please let him know that I really don't give a fuck what he has to say. I'm not going to read it. He's wasting his time.
..But Todd doing the same thing would just be a "miracle recovery" and "bionic eyes, ears, feet and knees". Ridiculous.
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What? I don't know what you're saying. He reads my stuff. So what? I'm not going to read his.
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So five pages ago.
I was drinking my lunch.
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What? I don't know what you're saying. He reads my stuff. So what? I'm not going to read his.
:doh:
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I made it to the end of this thread :puke: Waste of fucking time.
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Here's a thought to ponder...
Besides the occassional role out, I don't believe it will be Todd's function to run anywhere. If our offensive line does the job they're supposed to, I don't care if he's Elway slow. Just get the ball out quick and let the talent with speed do the job.
WHAT offensive line? We have like three and a half guys ready to start, right?
Seems to me that rhat thar is a damned big "IF" ...
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wow...i'm way late to the party. i knew this would be posted on here, and i just wanted to say
:puke: :suicide:
that is all.
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Whew, another hard hour put in catching up on this travesty. Sorry I was out for a while, I had to actually work a little. Sani is correct, I am in S. Florida, not god's country, and I don't have any sisters. I do have a cute cousin back home who just got out of her 4th marriage, but we're just friends.
I was going to start a "while you fags..." post, but I'll put it here instead in another attempt to run this fucking manefesto off the rails: I have one more errand to run and then I am going to pack 6 or 9 cold ones in a small cooler and hit the beach. If you get a chance to live somewhere with an ocean just outside your door I highly recommend it. Later tonight I will come back and catch up with this epic...
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Later tonight I will come back and catch up with this epic...
Here, let me save you the trouble...
Kaos: You fucking suck, Chopper/Prowler/Chizad. You suck Chiz's balls, and he sucks too, and we are all fucked. (Except that his post takes 5000 words to say the same thing...)
Chopper/Prowler/Chizad: No Kaos, you suck. Chiz is the man and all is right with the world and you are too fucking stupid to see it. (Except their posts each takes 5000 words to say the same thing... }
{Jen's head explodes and at least three other members stick pencils in their eyes...}
*Fin*
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Here, let me save you the trouble...
Kaos: You fucking suck, Chopper/Prowler/Chizad. You suck Chiz's balls, and he sucks too, and we are all fucked. (Except that his post takes 5000 words to say the same thing...)
Chopper/Prowler/Chizad: No Kaos, you suck. Chiz is the man and all is right with the world and you are too fucking stupid to see it. (Except their posts each takes 5000 words to say the same thing... }
{Jen's head explodes and at least three other members stick pencils in their eyes...}
*Fin*
I didn't see any of that mentioned in the thread. There was a brief derailment about Chizik, but never was anything along the lines of "Chiz is the man and all is right with the world" was said. "Our" side of the debate is mostly bitching about Kaos's incessant bitching.
Hell, Prowler hadn't even stepped foot in this thread yet, as far as I can remember...
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I didn't see any of that mentioned in the thread. There was a brief derailment about Chizik, but never was anything along the lines of "Chiz is the man and all is right with the world" was said. "Our" side of the debate is mostly bitching about Kaos's incessant bitching.
Hell, Prowler hadn't even stepped foot in this thread yet, as far as I can remember...
It's cool. It's always easier to sit out the debate and then mock what you don't understand.
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I didn't see any of that mentioned in the thread. There was a brief derailment about Chizik, but never was anything along the lines of "Chiz is the man and all is right with the world" was said. "Our" side of the debate is mostly bitching about Kaos's incessant bitching.
Hell, Prowler hadn't even stepped foot in this thread yet, as far as I can remember...
And I must remind you again, that my opinion isn't "bitching" just because you say so. There was no "bitching" just an observation.
You and Chopper. Again. Look beside you. Think about that for a moment. You and Chopper running a tag team. Is that really who you are?
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Here's a thought to ponder...
WHAT offensive line? We have like three and a half guys ready to start, right?
Seems to me that rhat thar is a damned big "IF" ...
Yeah, but we're loaded with talent with speed, remember? :taunt:
We've got problems on offense. That's a given. Maybe slow, non-athletic, freezer-pop Chris Todd is the answer. If he is, I'm no longer sure I understand the question.
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Impossible rws.
Either the coaches failed or star ratings are bullshit. It's black and white. Impossible that star ratings for one player were inflated, while the coaches failed another highly-rated prospect. That's just illogical and unrealistic.
I know what you're saying, and some of our fans are the same way too. I am guilty from time to time. I will stand up for a guy that someone says isn't all that great if I really believe he will pan out. Not so much for a kid that I think will flop. For the record, I stood up in Star Jackson's defense when we signed him. On the other board, metafour told me that Burns' career would amount to way more than Star Jackson's ever would. I'm not really sure exactly what thats supposed to mean now, but whatever. Nonetheless, I told him I thought he was wrong. Looks like its going to be a push at this point.
Point being, as you and I both know, sometimes a kid just doesn't work out. Recruiting isn't an exact science, and unless you have a crystal ball, you just never really 100% know. Sometimes a kid doesn't pan out because he doesn't have decent coaching to help him along at the next level. Sometimes a kid doesn't have it upstairs to be able to pick up the complexity of the game at the next level. I mean, the coaches don't recruit a kid because they know he will suck and want him to do horribly. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Its nobody's fault, its just something that happens. Its a risk on both sides. I know its human nature to want to point the finger at somebody, but damn. You just want to make sure your coaches know how to properly evaluate talent.
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And I must remind you again, that my opinion isn't "bitching" just because you say so. There was no "bitching" just an observation.
STFU with the lies already. You are a bitchy fucker. End of story.
You and Chopper. Again. Look beside you. Think about that for a moment. You and Chopper running a tag team. Is that really who you are?
This is a tactic that is only making you look weaker and weaker. Okay, so, you and Greasy.. Look beside you... You and greasy. Congrats.
...and just because Chizad has a similar opinion doesn't make us the same.
Completely and totally weak response from you.
Yeah, but we're loaded with talent with speed, remember?
Again, you look stupid saying this. Yes, we're thin at OL, as far as depth is concerned. We've got plenty of speed and talent at many positions. You saying we don't, again is just you being the anti-factual rebel you try so hard to be.
We've got problems on offense. That's a given. Maybe slow, non-athletic, freezer-pop Chris Todd is the answer. If he is, I'm no longer sure I understand the question.
Again, your opinion. It's NOT a given. You never understood shit about the question as far as QB. You've done nothing but contradict yourself and prove how ignorant you are time and time again in this thread as it relates to our talent and the QB situation.
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I know what you're saying, and some of our fans are the same way too. I am guilty from time to time. I will stand up for a guy that someone says isn't all that great if I really believe he will pan out. Not so much for a kid that I think will flop. For the record, I stood up in Star Jackson's defense when we signed him. On the other board, metafour told me that Burns' career would amount to way more than Star Jackson's ever would. I'm not really sure exactly what thats supposed to mean now, but whatever. Nonetheless, I told him I thought he was wrong. Looks like its going to be a push at this point.
Point being, as you and I both know, sometimes a kid just doesn't work out. Recruiting isn't an exact science, and unless you have a crystal ball, you just never really 100% know. Sometimes a kid doesn't pan out because he doesn't have decent coaching to help him along at the next level. Sometimes a kid doesn't have it upstairs to be able to pick up the complexity of the game at the next level. I mean, the coaches don't recruit a kid because they know he will suck and want him to do horribly. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Its nobody's fault, its just something that happens. Its a risk on both sides. I know its human nature to want to point the finger at somebody, but damn.
Which is more likely:
1) BOTH Caudle and Burns were poorly evaluated as recruits and neither is capable of leading an SEC team;
or
2) The previous administration did shit for preparing them to play.
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I know what you're saying, and some of our fans are the same way too. I am guilty from time to time. I will stand up for a guy that someone says isn't all that great if I really believe he will pan out. Not so much for a kid that I think will flop. For the record, I stood up in Star Jackson's defense when we signed him. On the other board, metafour told me that Burns' career would amount to way more than Star Jackson's ever would. I'm not really sure exactly what thats supposed to mean now, but whatever. Nonetheless, I told him I thought he was wrong. Looks like its going to be a push at this point.
Point being, as you and I both know, sometimes a kid just doesn't work out. Recruiting isn't an exact science, and unless you have a crystal ball, you just never really 100% know. Sometimes a kid doesn't pan out because he doesn't have decent coaching to help him along at the next level. Sometimes a kid doesn't have it upstairs to be able to pick up the complexity of the game at the next level. I mean, the coaches don't recruit a kid because they know he will suck and want him to do horribly. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Its nobody's fault, its just something that happens. Its a risk on both sides. I know its human nature to want to point the finger at somebody, but damn.
Agree with all of this. Let me ask you this though.
If Star Jackson was injured all of last year, and due to the fact there was no capable alternative, he played, and looked terrible, would you definitively count him out? At the same time, if you KNEW that the previous coaching staff did nothing to help him, got fired in the end, and he had surgery that by all accounts fixed the injury, would you still consider him the same lame duck if he WINS the pre-season QB competition to retain his starter's role?
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Which is more likely:
1) BOTH Caudle and Burns were poorly evaluated as recruits and neither is capable of leading an SEC team;
or
2) The previous administration did shit for preparing them to play.
It's statistically most likely that one was overrated star-wise and one was poorly coached. The chance that both are equal in talent and potential is slim.
On another note, why is Chopper still talking? I'm tired having to scroll past his "User is ignored" box.
Can you get the administration to change it to read "Doobie doobie penguins" so it will make as much sense as his normal replies and I can laugh about it?
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It's statistically most likely that one was overrated star-wise and one was poorly coached. The chance that both are equal in talent and potential is slim.
I think both were poorly coached. That's not statistically out of it, and I think that's where Wes was going with it.
How you come up with what you said, "statistically" is something that probably would have sent Statiger into a tailspin.
On another note, why is Chopper still talking? I'm tired having to scroll past his "User is ignored" box.
Can you get the administration to change it to read "Doobie doobie penguins" so it will make as much sense as his normal replies and I can laugh about it?
God, I wish you could only see how stupid that sounds and looks at this point.
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Which is more likely:
1) BOTH Caudle and Burns were poorly evaluated as recruits and neither is capable of leading an SEC team;
or
2) The previous administration did shit for preparing them to play.
Honestly, I have no fucking idea. I really know absolutely nothing about Caudle. As for Burns, he seems to be an athletic guy. He put up some ridiculous numbers in HS, on the ground and in the air. Of course, doesn't automatically translate to the field in college. Perhaps he simply couldn't adapt to the game at the college level. Maybe he had no development. I don't think we will ever know what exactly happened with him. Hell, Burns started 3 games I think last season. I can't believe they would just throw him out there with NO coaching whatsoever.
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Agree with all of this. Let me ask you this though.
If Star Jackson was injured all of last year, and due to the fact there was no capable alternative, he played, and looked terrible, would you definitively count him out? At the same time, if you KNEW that the previous coaching staff did nothing to help him, got fired in the end, and he had surgery that by all accounts fixed the injury, would you still consider him the same lame duck if he WINS the pre-season QB competition to retain his starter's role?
I would excuse some lame duck passes, and things associated with his shoulder. Making throws to the wrong receiver has nothing to do with a shoulder. Making throws to non-existant receivers has nothing to do with a shoulder. Underthrowing a WR does. Being off on your accuracy by a few yards does. But there are lots of things such as mechanics, decision making, etc that has nothing to do with a hurt shoulder. If his fundamentals are bad, it wouldn't matter hurt shoulder or not. Unless he gets that fixed with some coaching or something, he can have the strongest arm in the world. Doesn't matter if he can't use it correctly.
As far as your second question, I would say he's going to have to show me something on the field before I got excited. If he never got any coaching from the previous coaches, then he's basically a freshman this year in that sense. Its going to take him half the season to get with it, probably. I look at yall's situation the same way I look at Alabama's. We're OK with McElroy, no real worries there. But behind him, if McCarron can come in as a true frosh and win the backup job, that doesn't necessarily tell me that he is a world beater. It tells me we have some severe talent issues behind our starter. I think thats what Kaos is trying to say as well.
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I would excuse some lame duck passes, and things associated with his shoulder. Making throws to the wrong receiver has nothing to do with a shoulder. Making throws to non-existant receivers has nothing to do with a shoulder. Underthrowing a WR does. Being off on your accuracy by a few yards does. But there are lots of things such as mechanics, decision making, etc that has nothing to do with a hurt shoulder. If his fundamentals are bad, it wouldn't matter hurt shoulder or not. Unless he gets that fixed with some coaching or something, he can have the strongest arm in the world. Doesn't matter if he can't use it correctly.
As far as your second question, I would say he's going to have to show me something on the field before I got excited. If he never got any coaching from the previous coaches, then he's basically a freshman this year in that sense. Its going to take him half the season to get with it, probably. I look at yall's situation the same way I look at Alabama's. We're OK with McElroy, no real worries there. But behind him, if McCarron can come in as a true frosh and win the backup job, that doesn't necessarily tell me that he is a world beater. It tells me we have some severe talent issues behind our starter. I think thats what Kaos is trying to say as well.
Agreed. ..and Kaos is entitled to his opinion. It's his delivery to the masses that gets him into it with most of us. Hell, he can't even keep me off ignore for three seconds.
As far as what I was trying to point out in my question. Things can change. There is no doubt that Todd was a miserable scene last year. However, I HAVE to think (it's just common sense) that he got worse over the course of the season due to injury, no coaching to fix mistakes he was making and frustration took over. Hell, he didn't know if he was going to play quarter to quarter last year, let alone game to game. The only things that we were saying is that it IS possible for him to have a renewed chance with a fixed arm and an attentive staff that works with him. He obviously won the competition over other QB's that were doing well by all accounts in the spring AND summer.
To call this a failure or miserable is premature. That's the point.
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We're OK with McElroy, no real worries there.
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You have no idea whether you'll be okay or not. You guys have Prowler Choppered your dicks bloody raw because he threw one pass against a disinterested Auburn team and finished second at some random ass quarterback camp.
He's never been the guy. You have no idea how or if he will perform in that role (note the proper usage).
A year ago, Auburn was the chic pick to win the West because everybody thought Kodi Burns was going to step in and have a smooth transition to the starting role. How'd that work out for us?
Granted we screwed the pooch from day one when Franklin stuck his dick up Chris Todd's ass and wouldn't pull out. Blew Kodi's confidence and essentially trashed the season. You guys won't do that, but the fact remains that you still have no idea at all how McElroy will be able to handle the position.
Do this for me. Look back at the SEC over the last 20 years. List for me the QBs that came in to replace an established starter with virtually no experience of their own and lit the league up.
Your list will look much like this:
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Chris Todd is Domino's pizza when your recipe from Emeril's cookbook doesn't work.
He's the movie you purchase from Charter On Demand when you realize your favorite show is a rerun.
He's the 150 pound 6 after the 110 8 decides to go home with another guy.
Chris Todd is not John Elway or Dan Marino. He didn't come back from surgery as a future NFL QB.
The fact that Kodi Burns is working with the receivers should tell you a lot. We're not implementing a two QB system for a reason. Kodi Burns flat out sucks at QB, and he puts us at a disadvantage in ball games. This is why he's not even competing for the 2nd string job.
Neil Caudle has done nothing of merit since he arrived. Wait...I'm sorry, he completed a long pass while running to his right in the A-Day game. He's obviously not the "answer".
So what do we have left? Chris Todd and a freshman. The Chizik-Malzahn QB meeting probably ended with "well, I guess it could be worse."
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Chris Todd is Domino's pizza when your recipe from Emeril's cookbook doesn't work.
He's the movie you purchase from Charter On Demand when you realize your favorite show is a rerun.
He's the 150 pound 6 after the 110 8 decides to go home with another guy.
Chris Todd is not John Elway or Dan Marino. He didn't come back from surgery as a future NFL QB.
The fact that Kodi Burns is working with the receivers should tell you a lot. We're not implementing a two QB system for a reason. Kodi Burns flat out sucks at QB, and he puts us at a disadvantage in ball games. This is why he's not even competing for the 2nd string job.
Neil Caudle has done nothing of merit since he arrived. Wait...I'm sorry, he completed a long pass while running to his right in the A-Day game. He's obviously not the "answer".
So what do we have left? Chris Todd and a freshman. The Chizik-Malzahn QB meeting probably ended with "well, I guess it could be worse."
You fucking doom and gloomer.
Nice analogies, BTW. I approve.
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You have no idea whether you'll be okay or not.
He's never been the guy. You have no idea how or if he will perform in that role (note the proper usage).
Do this for me. Look back at the SEC over the last 20 years. List for me the QBs that came in to replace an established starter with virtually no experience of their own and lit the league up.
Tim Tebow? Worked out pretty good for the Gators.
Matt Stafford? Worked out pretty good for the Dawgs.
Oh, and I love the fact Kaos is telling someone else they couldn't possibly know something in advance... Brilliant.
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Chris Todd is Domino's pizza when your recipe from Emeril's cookbook doesn't work.
He's the movie you purchase from Charter On Demand when you realize your favorite show is a rerun.
He's the 150 pound 6 after the 110 8 decides to go home with another guy.
Chris Todd is not John Elway or Dan Marino. He didn't come back from surgery as a future NFL QB.
The fact that Kodi Burns is working with the receivers should tell you a lot. We're not implementing a two QB system for a reason. Kodi Burns flat out sucks at QB, and he puts us at a disadvantage in ball games. This is why he's not even competing for the 2nd string job.
Neil Caudle has done nothing of merit since he arrived. Wait...I'm sorry, he completed a long pass while running to his right in the A-Day game. He's obviously not the "answer".
So what do we have left? Chris Todd and a freshman. The Chizik-Malzahn QB meeting probably ended with "well, I guess it could be worse."
Nice. Agreed. Too bad Caudle and Burns didn't do more with the coachi...oh wait. What coaching? ...
This is good news for Tyrik and Trotter though. Could be a great battle to watch during and after the season going into next year.
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Chris Todd is Domino's pizza when your recipe from Emeril's cookbook doesn't work.
He's the movie you purchase from Charter On Demand when you realize your favorite show is a rerun.
He's the 150 pound 6 after the 110 8 decides to go home with another guy.
Chris Todd is not John Elway or Dan Marino. He didn't come back from surgery as a future NFL QB.
The fact that Kodi Burns is working with the receivers should tell you a lot. We're not implementing a two QB system for a reason. Kodi Burns flat out sucks at QB, and he puts us at a disadvantage in ball games. This is why he's not even competing for the 2nd string job.
Neil Caudle has done nothing of merit since he arrived. Wait...I'm sorry, he completed a long pass while running to his right in the A-Day game. He's obviously not the "answer".
So what do we have left? Chris Todd and a freshman. The Chizik-Malzahn QB meeting probably ended with "well, I guess it could be worse."
A++ post...
And for the record...I have said for a LONG time on this very intrawebs that Burns is not a Div 1 QB. A great athlete...but not a QB...
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With Caudle, it was hard to coach him when he's sitting on the sidelines with an injury some of the times. I don't feel that Caudle was overrated, I think it was more due bad luck with injuries and due to the lack of coaching....with Kodi, I feel that he just doesn't have it upstairs to play QB at the college level, now in HS he was a Big Cat, but when the playbook is expanded by 1000 pages that's a different story. And Kaos, if you actually watched the games, last year, you would've been able to see Todd make the reads but that he just didn't pull the trigger to the open WR or TE...now you should know why he didn't pull the trigger, because he knew that he couldn't get the ball there before it was picked off. There was one play, of many, that come to mind...Tommy Trott was running a crossing pattern and was about 15-20 yards downfield going towards the sidelines, he was wideopen, and Todd looked right at him, but he never threw it, instead he took the sack. It seems to me that now he'll be able to make those crossing pattern throws. But, I guess everyone should be "We're going to Hell in a handbasket, because Todd is the starter" instead of "He's the best QB that we have, that isn't a true freshman, let's just hope he doesn't do as bad as last year."
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With Caudle, it was hard to coach him when he's sitting on the sidelines with an injury some of the times. I don't feel that Caudle was overrated, I think it was more due bad luck with injuries and due to the lack of coaching....with Kodi, I feel that he just doesn't have it upstairs to play QB at the college level, now in HS he was a Big Cat, but when the playbook is expanded by 1000 pages that's a different story. And Kaos, if you actually watched the games, last year, you would've been able to see Todd make the reads but that he just didn't pull the trigger to the open WR or TE...now you should know why he didn't pull the trigger, because he knew that he couldn't get the ball there before it was picked off. There was one play, of many, that come to mind...Tommy Trott was running a crossing pattern and was about 15-20 yards downfield going towards the sidelines, he was wideopen, and Todd looked right at him, but he never threw it, instead he took the sack. It seems to me that now he'll be able to make those crossing pattern throws. But, I guess everyone should be "We're going to Hell in a handbasket, because Todd is the starter" instead of "He's the best QB that we have, that isn't a true freshman, let's just hope he doesn't do as bad as last year."
Wrong. I get tired of people saying he didn't have it upstairs. The dude just wasn't a SEC QB. Plain and simple. He just wasn't good enough. Play him in the wildcat and let him run arouns and make people miss him...it's what athletes do. No more...no less...
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Tim Tebow? Worked out pretty good for the Gators.
Matt Stafford? Worked out pretty good for the Dawgs.
Oh, and I love the fact Kaos is telling someone else they couldn't possibly know something in advance... Brilliant.
Green - (UGA)
White - (AU)
Barker - (UA)
Jones - (UArk)
Wuerfel - (UF)
Grossman - (UF)
Manning - both (UT and UM)
Cutler - (VU)
Couch - (UK)
Lorenzen - (UK)
Wait....kaos, who's saying that McElroy is going to "Light Up" the league?
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Tim Tebow? Worked out pretty good for the Gators.
Matt Stafford? Worked out pretty good for the Dawgs.
Oh, and I love the fact Kaos is telling someone else they couldn't possibly know something in advance... Brilliant.
Greg McElroy is no Tim Tebow, or Matt Stafford. I say that because I can't imagine that we would have talent like that riding the pine behind JPW. It was understandable that Tebow sat behind Leak. Shit, six of one, half dozen of the other if you ask me. No need to play Tebow, really. Like I said in another thread, McElroy is serviceable at the very least, imo. He looked pretty sharp during A-Day, but I know that can't be used as an end-all-be-all barometer of his talent. I think he can get the job done. I doubt he will be nominated for the Heisman anytime soon or anything, but I don't think he's going to be horrible either. We will really have to see how things play out. I'm not basing my opinion on one play against AU. I'm basing it on what alot of writers, folks who have seen camps, and others are saying. Fuck, for all I know he'll throw 10 INTs against VT and -2 TDs, and we will score below 0 points. But he might throw 10 TDs. Nobody really knows. I have no reason to think we're in trouble, though.
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Greg McElroy is no Tim Tebow, or Matt Stafford. I say that because I can't imagine that we would have talent like that riding the pine behind JPW. It was understandable that Tebow sat behind Leak. Shit, six of one, half dozen of the other if you ask me. No need to play Tebow, really. Like I said in another thread, McElroy is serviceable at the very least, imo. He looked pretty sharp during A-Day, but I know that can't be used as an end-all-be-all barometer of his talent. I think he can get the job done. I doubt he will be nominated for the Heisman anytime soon or anything, but I don't think he's going to be horrible either. We will really have to see how things play out. I'm not basing my opinion on one play against AU. I'm basing it on what alot of writers, folks who have seen camps, and others are saying. Fuck, for all I know he'll throw 10 INTs against VT and -2 TDs, and we will score below 0 points. But he might throw 10 TDs. Nobody really knows. I have no reason to think we're in trouble, though.
That's fine. I was responding to the ignoring one. He posed the question earlier to you I think.
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A++ post...
I say essentially the same thing but use different words and it ignites a sheet shitting eight-page rampage.
Hmmm. Ok.
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Todd has a fucking cannon when he is healthy. Give him a chance I think you will be pleased. But I can't believe Burns is a WR now.
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Green - (UGA)
White - (AU)
Barker - (UA)
Jones - (UArk)
Wuerfel - (UF)
Grossman - (UF)
Manning - both (UT and UM)
Cutler - (VU)
Couch - (UK)
Lorenzen - (UK)
Wait....kaos, who's saying that McElroy is going to "Light Up" the league?
You're wrong on most of these in the context of the question at hand.
None of them walked in basically green and led their team to the division title did they?
RWS said Bama would be fine with McElroy. There's no evidence to support that. He might. But the SEC is littered with first year guys who took a while to get their game under control. Some did, but the first year guy who led his team to anything of consequence is rare.
As for Chopper's blubbering "yuh caint prahdick the future" comment? He needs to stop trying to score points on me. You can use relatively equivalent past experience to make rational judgments. He can't, obviously, but most people can. There's a big difference in saying that Bama fans have no idea how McElroy will perform when there is no valid evidence on which to base such assumption and saying you're concerned over Chris Todd's failures when you have nine games, at least five of which he started on which to make an evaluation. It's just another fail in a long line of failures by the Chopster.
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And Kaos, if you actually watched the games, last year, you would've been able to see Todd make the reads but that he just didn't pull the trigger to the open WR or TE...now you should know why he didn't pull the trigger, because he knew that he couldn't get the ball there before it was picked off.
Oh fuck you with the "if you actually watched the games" bullshit.
I watched the fucking games. You can make all the excuses you want. It's easy to say in retrospect why he did or didn't do whatever. Fact is he had receivers open -- short range and long range -- and hesitated. He held off on throws i could have made. You can't say for certain WHY he hesitated. Maybe it was his arm. Maybe he just couldn't pull the trigger. Maybe he couldn't make a decision. Maybe it was Franklin's fault. Maybe it was Greg Knox's fault. Maybe it was Robert Dunn's. Maybe it was Oprah Winfrey's. You can say he "made the reads" but you don't know if he made them or not unless he acted on them. Since he didn't you don't know what the fuck he "read." For all you know he was back there trying to remember the names of all four members of ABBA.
Was his arm/shoulder hurt the whole time he was at juco? Because he struggled there, too. Didn't exactly set the world on fire.
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I say essentially the same thing but use different words and it ignites a sheet shitting eight-page rampage.
Hmmm. Ok.
How is that shit my fault?
I am a well liked mother fucker...
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How is that shit my fault?
I am a well liked mother fucker...
It's not your fault.
It's that damn Chizik.
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As for Chopper's blubbering "yuh caint prahdick the future" comment? He needs to stop trying to score points on me. You can use relatively equivalent past experience to make rational judgments. He can't, obviously, but most people can. There's a big difference in saying that Bama fans have no idea how McElroy will perform when there is no valid evidence on which to base such assumption and saying you're concerned over Chris Todd's failures when you have nine games, at least five of which he started on which to make an evaluation. It's just another fail in a long line of failures by the Chopster.
I must be the single most unignored "ignored" user.
Sorry, but I'm not going to go back and REPOST every fucking thing I've said ten times over so that I can have the ultimate circle jerk that you enjoy so much. You've said everything you've said repetitively now for almost ten fucking pages, and it's clear that your only goal is to bash me, bury other people's opinion until yours is the ONLY one seen, or heard. It's okay though. It's what you do.
If anyone cares (and I don't think they do), they can go back a few pages and make their own judgements.
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It's not your fault.
It's that damn Chizik.
Naw. It's pretty much your own damn fault.
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Naw. It's pretty much your own damn fault.
Thats what Jimmy says.
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***Senior CB Walt McFadden on the first-team offense under Todd:
"You could see, it's a whole different attitude over there, especially on the defensive side as well. We're both happy that we've got a leader on that side of the ball. He's taking charge. He's leading the offense in the right direction."
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:bs:
You have no idea whether you'll be okay or not. You guys have Prowler Choppered your dicks bloody raw because he threw one pass against a disinterested Auburn team and finished second at some random ass quarterback camp.
He's never been the guy. You have no idea how or if he will perform in that role (note the proper usage).
A year ago, Auburn was the chic pick to win the West because everybody thought Kodi Burns was going to step in and have a smooth transition to the starting role. How'd that work out for us?
Granted we screwed the pooch from day one when Franklin stuck his dick up Chris Todd's ass and wouldn't pull out. Blew Kodi's confidence and essentially trashed the season. You guys won't do that, but the fact remains that you still have no idea at all how McElroy will be able to handle the position.
Do this for me. Look back at the SEC over the last 20 years. List for me the QBs that came in to replace an established starter with virtually no experience of their own and lit the league up.
Your list will look much like this:
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I always thought Tee Martin did a good job after Peyton left the Vols.
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I always thought Tee Martin did a good job after Peyton left the Vols.
Okay, so we have one. More than ten years ago.
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Tim Tebow? Worked out pretty good for the Gators.
Matt Stafford? Worked out pretty good for the Dawgs.
Oh, and I love the fact Kaos is telling someone else they couldn't possibly know something in advance... Brilliant.
Tim Tebow was not thrown into being the starter for Florida.
Stafford started on a team that had no running game and receivers comparable to our own. They could not catch a cold.
Now that being said they both developed into fine quarterbacks but to stay they stepped right in with no hitches would be wrong.
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Tim Tebow was not thrown into being the starter for Florida.
Stafford started on a team that had no running game and receivers comparable to our own. They could catch a cold.
Now that being said they both developed into fine quarterbacks but to stay they stepped right in with no hitches would be wrong.
Tebow is also the obvious exception. McElroy is no freaking Tebow.
Dude was too busy trying to score a point to get the point.
Kaos currently leads 737 - 2.
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Tebow is also the obvious exception. McElroy is no freaking Tebow.
Dude was too busy trying to score a point to get the point.
Kaos currently leads 737 - 2.
I'm Tim Tebow.
:batman:
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I'm Tim Tebow.
:batman:
I'm Spartacus.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3/NonStopPop/Spartacus1.jpg)
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I'm Spartacus.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
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I'm Spartacus.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3/NonStopPop/Spartacus1.jpg)
Spartacus had really cool hair.
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Spartacus had really cool hair.
Not on his chest, arms or legs he didn't.
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I'm Spartacus.
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3/NonStopPop/Spartacus1.jpg)
You are one old bastard.
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He held off on throws i could have made.
We all have delusions of grandeur.
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We all have delusions of grandeur.
Do not fuck with Spartacus. He COULD make those throws.
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Do not fuck with Spartacus. He COULD make those throws.
True, but the guy on the receiving end will be disappointed that it's not a football but a spear that he is receiving.
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We all have delusions of grandeur.
Yes. And some of you have realities of ignorance.
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I've been out of town since last Wednesday, and I just read through this thread...
You pickle fuckers need to to relax, football starts in a few weeks.
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You pickle fuckers
The dill makes my cock tingle.
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I was working at the pickle factory and got fired for sticking my dick in the pickle slicer.
Pissed me off cause' they let her off with a warning.
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I was working at the pickle factory and got fired for sticking my dick in the pickle slicer.
Pissed me off cause' they let her off with a warning.
They call him...... Tater Salad.
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Hey, I hear that Chris Todd won the starting QB job at AU.
Thoughts?
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Todd's gonna light it up this year. And when he does, none of you naysayers have a right to cheer. Just sit down and shut up and have another :bar:
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Post-op he's a completely different animal.
Sorry - just catching up here. Looks like congratulations are in order for you and Taylor?