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Title: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 19, 2009, 03:57:55 PM
To say our QB play was less than stellar last season is...well...

Product of the system?  Injured arm?  No receivers?  Who knows?  But in my mind, I'm certainly not convinced we have anyone in Kodi or Todd that should be sitting solidly atop the depth chart.  Like everyone, I've read good things about Trotter but have only seen him play sparingly in a pre-season scrimmage.  In other words, I have no clue.  We have 2 guys coming in as true freshmen, one of which is one of the top rated QB's in the nation out of H.S.  The other played 2A ball but lit it up and appears to have the arm, size and speed to play in this league.

Do you look at Kodi or Todd and see some real potential in either to step up and take Auburn back to the top of the West?  Are you ready to move in another direction?  If one of the true freshmen comes in and opens everyone's eyes, do you go ahead and throw him in the mix and start building for the future?  Granted, it's a year where the expectations for this team are not going to be that high.

Kodi may be a much better QB than we think if given some real coaching and a solid system to run.  Then again, he may be in over his head.  It certainly wouldn't take much for someone to look at least as good as he did last year.  And was Todd's problem all physical or was he color blind and couldn't tell who was wearing the blue jerseys?

Discuss amongst yourselves.   
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Godfather on February 19, 2009, 04:03:44 PM
My opinion you open it up,

I do think Kodi has the ability to be a great player, between coaching, experience, another year in the weight room they all play a tremendous part as does scheme.  Look at Jason ....Borges's system fit him perfectly, he came in and looked like a totally different QB.

but you still open it up during the Spring and see who rises to the top.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 19, 2009, 04:09:49 PM
I am really excited about Tyrik. Now, I have never seen him play a full game, but from the tapes I have seen, this kid can play. He can run like Kodi, but has an amzing arm. He played in a spread system and from the tape I have seen, he is elusive and can throw on the run as well as be a good drop back passer. He is got a really quick release and strong arm! I am anxious to see if he can be a player in this league...because he damn sure lit up the score board in Texas High School ball. He has a 70 percent completion percentage so he is accurate as well...

In conclusion, this kid can ball yo...but I have no idea who I would play next year.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Godfather on February 19, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
I am really excited about Tyrik. Now, I have never seen him play a full game, but from the tapes I have seen, this kid can play. He can run like Kodi, but has an amzing arm. He played in a spread system and from the tape I have seen, he is elusive and can throw on the run as well as be a good drop back passer. He is got a really quick release and strong arm! I am anxious to see if he can be a player in this league...because he damn sure lit up the score board in Texas High School ball. He has a 70 percent completion percentage so he is accurate as well...

In conclusion, this kid can ball yo...but I have no idea who I would play next year.
Have you seen tapes of this kid play?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on February 19, 2009, 04:23:56 PM
My opinion you open it up,

I do think Kodi has the ability to be a great player, between coaching, experience, another year in the weight room they all play a tremendous part as does scheme.  Look at Jason ....Borges's system fit him perfectly, he came in and looked like a totally different QB.

but you still open it up during the Spring and see who rises to the top.

Unfair to Jason. He had the highest completion percentage of any QB in the SEC as a junior. Stinkfinger had no patience and kept trying to forcefeed Cobb to us.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on February 19, 2009, 04:32:05 PM
My opinion you open it up,

I do think Kodi has the ability to be a great player, between coaching, experience, another year in the weight room they all play a tremendous part as does scheme. 

Agree with this.  I do think that the wild card is Barret Trotter.  He had a lot of support from current team members according to reports last summer.  They were quoted as saying "he has all the throws now".   Along with Tyrik, Moseley and Caudle it should be a good battle.  Kodi has an advantage, but ONLY because he has game experience.... good or bad....
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 19, 2009, 04:35:19 PM
Unfair to Jason. He had the highest completion percentage of any QB in the SEC as a junior. Stinkfinger had no patience and kept trying to forcefeed Cobb to us.

I didn't know Reggie Cobb played QB.  

My biggest issue is the expectations for this program next year.  If we really don't have the playmakers to contend for the West (And my fear is that we don't) why waste another year trying to make Kodi a legit QB in this league?  If Trotter or one of the freshmen come in and kicks ass, I'm all for giving them some serious reps.  I'm not giving up on Kodi by any means, but he sure didn't do much to make me feel good about this year either.  He did some great things against Ole Miss on the road, then fell apart at the end.  He had a few killer series against UGA, but in the end couldn't get it done.  
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 19, 2009, 04:47:11 PM
Kodi will get an honest chance from Malzhan. Gus recruited him a few years back and wanted him.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 19, 2009, 04:55:15 PM
Kodi will get an honest chance from Malzhan. Gus recruited him a few years back and wanted him.

This is a good point.  I have no doubts that Kodi will get a fair shot and hell yes, he should.  He's earned it.  I guess the big question for me is if Trotter or one of the freshmen comes in and looks at least as good as Kodi (Who will be a Junior, by the way) do you go ahead and give the reps to a kid with 4 years to play?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on February 19, 2009, 05:24:11 PM
It's Kodi's team to lose. 

I know Kodi looked awfully bad last year, but what offensive player looked good ALL season long?  Fannin realistically had one good game.  The o-line sucked.  Ben Tate sucked.  The receivers sucked.  Chris Todd sucked. 

It all sucked, yet the only position we're seriously discussing a change is with QB? 

From what I saw last year, Kodi Burns had very little to work with.  He had a terrible running game that didn't once complement the passing game.  The receivers ran poor routes and had some terrible drops.  One bright spot from Kodi was the Ole Miss game.  Don't forget he put up over 300 yards passing. 

Kodi Burns still has the best attributes of any of the QBs (save Rollison if he gets in).  He has a very strong arm and the legs to burn.  If he gets proper coaching, I think he can be successful.  How successful he can be is unbeknownst to me.  But I think we'll see #18 getting the start next season. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 19, 2009, 06:19:23 PM
I fully believe that Kodi Burns is the best bet at QB for next season.  He has the talent, and with a little coaching could be great.  So soon do many people forget how well he played in the bowl game against Clemson.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 19, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
This is a good point.  I have no doubts that Kodi will get a fair shot and hell yes, he should.  He's earned it.  I guess the big question for me is if Trotter or one of the freshmen comes in and looks at least as good as Kodi (Who will be a Junior, by the way) do you go ahead and give the reps to a kid with 4 years to play?
Gus had a freshman groomed to play for us. He was 8-0 as a starter and Nutt benched him. He drug up and went to USC-west, where he may very well be their starting QB this year.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 19, 2009, 07:11:52 PM
I disagree Town. I think: new coaches, new compitition for everyone. I personally don't think Kodi can play QB in the SEC. He is a special athlete and needs to be on the field, but I personally don't think it is at QB. He missed some wide open recievers last year and at times looked completely incapable of playing QB. Maybe he proves me wrong with some coaching, but I didn't even see the raw talent that an SEC QB needs.

And I definitely don't think he should just be given the job. If the team had rallied around him last year it would be one thing, but no one stepped up, that I saw, that proved to be a leader on the field. That's why every position should be a competition and may the best player play!
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Catphish Tilly on February 19, 2009, 07:15:32 PM
So soon do many people forget how well he played in the bowl game against Clemson.

I don't doubt his ability and I hope like hell he's our guy if for no other reason then I like the kid and I think with the right coaching he has "it" but I just don't understand when people say this.  He completed one pass that game.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 19, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
I don't doubt his ability and I hope like hell he's our guy if for no other reason then I like the kid and I think with the right coaching he has "it" but I just don't understand when people say this.  He completed one pass that game.

Taylor was drunk that night.

Real drunk
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Thrilla on February 20, 2009, 11:12:58 AM
Taylor was drunk that night.

Real drunk

No shit.  He thought I was half-Asian.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 20, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
No shit.  He thought I was half-Asian.

You're not?

What do you have against half-Asian quarterbacks?  Tommy Chang was a true bad ass.  You gotcher Tommy, a perfect American name...and yer Chang, making him what you call yer half-Asian.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Saniflush on February 20, 2009, 11:27:34 AM
You're not?

Just the small half.

Wait that would make him 100%
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 20, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
You're not?

What do you have against half-Asian quarterbacks?  Tommy Chang was a true bad ass.  You gotcher Tommy, a perfect American name...and yer Chang, making him what you call yer half-Asian.
Timmy Chang.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 20, 2009, 11:38:42 AM
Timmy Chang.

I was talking about a guy named Tommy Chang that played QB in the YMCA league down here back in 97'.  Great QB.  But that Timmy guy was pretty good too.




Uummm....what?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Thrilla on February 20, 2009, 11:40:24 AM
I was talking about a guy named Tommy Chang that played QB in the YMCA league down here back in 97'.  Great QB.  But that Timmy guy was pretty good too.




Uummm....what?

I used to love Tommy Chong.  He was in some great movies.

Just the small half.

Wait that would make him 100%

Oh no no no...the only Asian about me is my ninja skillz.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 20, 2009, 11:49:42 AM
I used to love Tommy Chong.  He was in some great movies.

Oh no no no...the only Asian about me is my ninja skillz.

Didn't Wang Chung do some of the soundtracks for those movies?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 20, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
I was talking about a guy named Tommy Chang that played QB in the YMCA league down here back in 97'.  Great QB.  But that Timmy guy was pretty good too.




Uummm....what?
Tommy was my boy.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on February 20, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
Tommy was my boy.

So.  That's Where the Boys Are. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 20, 2009, 12:42:15 PM
ROGERS - Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn will never forget where and how he got his start as a football coach.

"I'm an Arkansas high school football coach," Malzahn said before a packed crowd Thursday at The Summit luncheon at the Church at Pinnacle Hills. "I just happen to be coaching in college."

Malzahn, the former Springdale head coach and offensive coordinator at Arkansas and Tulsa, was the featured speaker at the event and was greeted warmly by the crowd.

"It feels great to be back," Malzahn said as he and Church at Pinnacle Hills pastor Ronnie Floyd engaged in a Q&A session that discusses Malzahn's past, current and future career as a college coach.

Afterward, Malzahn was engulfed by fans seeking autographs and to offer handshakes and hugs, showing their appreciation to a former local high school coach that has risen through the ranks of his profession.

"First of all I'm very blessed," Malzahn said. "I've been fortunate to develop a lot of great relationships. A lot of these people are my personal friends. It's good to come back and see people you're familiar with. It's pretty special."

Malzahn's career has been a whirlwind ever since leading Springdale High to an undefeated and unchallenged 2005 state championship run. He was the offensive coordinator at Arkansas in 2006 but left the Razorbacks amid controversy regarding former head coach Houston Nutt. Malzahn landed at Tulsa for two seasons as cooffensive coordinator and helped the Golden Hurricane become the topranked offense in the nation behind his hurry-up no-huddle scheme.

Malzahn accepted the offensive coordinator position at Auburn after Gene Chizik was hired to replace head coach Tommy Tuberville.

At Auburn, he'll have a couple of northwest Arkansas' finest football players to work with in Fort Smith Northside quarterback Kodi Burns and Rogers offensive lineman Lee Ziemba.

Malzahn recruited both while at Arkansas but Ziemba and Burns signed with Auburn in February 2007. Malzahn is looking forward to getting the chance to coach them at Auburn.

"Recruited (Ziemba) when I was at Arkansas," Malzahn said. "Developed great relations. He's got a great family. That was a real highlight for me when I got the job at Auburn, to be able to coach him.

"Kodi's the same deal. We're from the same hometown (Fort Smith). Got a chance to coach against him. Know his family real well. That was a real plus, too."

Malzahn said he thought Ziemba has the talent to become an All-American at his position.

Floyd asked Malzahn during the Q&A if Burns would start at quarterback for Auburn after struggling at the position during last season. Malzahn didn't give a definitive answer but when asked by media later he said Burns is "familiar with what we're going to do. I think he's familiar with me. I know he's capable of being a very good quarterback.

"He's had three coordinators in two years and that's tough on any quarterback. I know he's ready for some stability. I know he's capable of doing a very good job."

Malzahn also spoke fondly of Bentonville head football coach Barry Lunney.

Lunney is one of the two coaches Malzahn mentioned as men who he considered role models. Former Barton head coach Frank McClellan was the other.

"Coach Lunney didn't dip, didn't cuss his players and he was very professional," Malzahn said of his first meeting with Lunney. "I said to myself, boy that's what I'd like to be like."

Malzahn said he kept up with the Tigers last fall as Bentonville went 12-1 and won the Class 7A state football championship.

"Yeah I sure did," he said. "Of course (Bentonville linebackers coach) Rob Coleman is one of my best friends in the world. I get a chance to call coach Lunney from time to time. Of course I recruit this area, too."
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AUChizad on February 20, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Quote
"He's had three coordinators in two years and that's tough on any quarterback. I know he's ready for some stability. I know he's capable of doing a very good job."
The last Auburn QB to be in this situation turned out to be pretty good in that fourth season...
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 20, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
Tommy was my boy.

Did he ever star with Jackie Chan?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on February 20, 2009, 06:03:13 PM
Did he ever star with Jackie Chan?

Don't we have a white quarterback around there somewhere?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 22, 2009, 04:42:00 PM
No shit.  He thought I was half-Asian.
I thought Chad was straight as well. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: CCTAU on February 23, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
We've got the same situation this season as last. I do not see one of the young guys being ready yet. 2010 should be a damn fine year for QB on the Plains. But for this season, I see it the same. Todd will impress the coach with his knowledge of defenses and being able to direct the offense (along with his off the field work ethic). Burns will show tremendous upside but not be able to see more than 15 yds down field.

Sad part is, Todd will see down field but not be able to get the ball there, Kodi could get it there but will never look there.  If Todd can throw the ball, he will start. If not, we are in for another rough season.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 23, 2009, 11:24:26 AM
We've got the same situation this season as last. I do not see one of the young guys being ready yet. 2010 should be a damn fine year for QB on the Plains. But for this season, I see it the same. Todd will impress the coach with his knowledge of defenses and being able to direct the offense (along with his off the field work ethic). Burns will show tremendous upside but not be able to see more than 15 yds down field.

Sad part is, Todd will see down field but not be able to get the ball there, Kodi could get it there but will never look there.  If Todd can throw the ball, he will start. If not, we are in for another rough season.

I agree, but I think that the QB position will improve with Malzhan. I don't see him being hard headed about the plays to run and the system to run. The one thing I like about Malzhan, he seems to tailor the offense around the skills of the players. If there is a drop back QB playing, he calls plays that fit that ability. If it is more of an option threat QB, he will call play to let him excel. I don't think we will see anymore,"we don't have the talent to run this system" because good coaching finds the skills of the players on the field, and uses them. This is what got me so irritated at the last coaches...
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: wesfau2 on February 23, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
We've got the same situation this season as last.

Except that we have an entirely different coaching staff.

Let's see what the kids can do after a bit of coaching.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: ssgaufan on February 23, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
We've got the same situation this season as last. I do not see one of the young guys being ready yet. 2010 should be a damn fine year for QB on the Plains. But for this season, I see it the same. Todd will impress the coach with his knowledge of defenses and being able to direct the offense (along with his off the field work ethic). Burns will show tremendous upside but not be able to see more than 15 yds down field.

Sad part is, Todd will see down field but not be able to get the ball there, Kodi could get it there but will never look there.  If Todd can throw the ball, he will start. If not, we are in for another rough season.

So sad, yet so true.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 23, 2009, 12:24:23 PM
Chris Todd should not be the starting QB.  Dear God...
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Catphish Tilly on February 23, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Chris Todd should not be the starting QB.  Dear God...
So soon do many people forget how well he played in the bowl game against Clem....  err... nevermind.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 23, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
Chris Todd should not be the starting QB.  Dear God...

Well, he's no Daniel Cobb.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 23, 2009, 02:18:23 PM
Well, he's no Daniel Cobb.
You're right, he is 143,345 times worse.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Saniflush on February 23, 2009, 02:21:10 PM
You're right, he is 143,345 times worse.

I would argue that one with you.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Greaseyweasel on February 24, 2009, 07:20:03 PM
We've got the same situation this season as last. I do not see one of the young guys being ready yet. 2010 should be a damn fine year for QB on the Plains. But for this season, I see it the same. Todd will impress the coach with his knowledge of defenses and being able to direct the offense (along with his off the field work ethic). Burns will show tremendous upside but not be able to see more than 15 yds down field.

Sad part is, Todd will see down field but not be able to get the ball there, Kodi could get it there but will never look there.  If Todd can throw the ball, he will start. If not, we are in for another rough season.
Until the coachinfg situation improves there will be no more good seasons on the plains. We are in for a rougher than aveage season and it is not the fault of Kod, Todd or anyone who is going to put on the pads.
Sorry but I hate that fucking asswipe who is acting coach.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on February 24, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
Sorry but I hate that fucking asswipe who is acting coach.

Earth shattering news.  :taunt:
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 25, 2009, 01:45:09 PM
Earth shattering news.  :taunt:
At least he is honest.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 25, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
My opinion you open it up,

I do think Kodi has the ability to be a great player, between coaching, experience, another year in the weight room they all play a tremendous part as does scheme.  Look at Jason ....Borges's system fit him perfectly, he came in and looked like a totally different QB.

but you still open it up during the Spring and see who rises to the top.

First post here...here goes...

They'll say it's an open competition, but realistically there's not enough practice time to do that.  They're looking at game and practice tape of last season to figure out if there's anything they can coach up in Kodi, or to see if there's something in one of the other's that nobody saw before.  Malzahn's first desire would be a dual threat guy which is why I think Kodi is #1 going in to spring, but he can work with a pocket passer, and may think Kodi's beyond help and look at another.  If Todd's arm stregnth issues were cured by the surgery, he may have a shot, but I'm not counting on that.  Heard lots of good stuff about Trotter, but all hearsay, and all in practice.  Caudle?  if it were a true open competiton, he might have a chance, just don't know, and don't think he'll really get a chance.   Coaches always lean on experience when undecided...so Kodi and Todd will be 1 and 2 going in to spring because that's who they have game film on, and Todd's arm could cause that to change quickly either way.  I think in the fall they will look at Rollison if nobody has really solidly won the job in the spring.   

War Eagle.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 25, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
Until the coachinfg situation improves there will be no more good seasons on the plains. We are in for a rougher than aveage season and it is not the fault of Kod, Todd or anyone who is going to put on the pads.
Sorry but I hate that fucking asswipe who is acting coach.

God your fucking dumbass pollutes this place too?   :puke:
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 25, 2009, 05:40:23 PM
Good first post JR4AU.  Post often, be funny and give us insightful, interesting crap.  Oh, and be sure to post some pictures of your girlfriend/wife...preferably naked....without you in them.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Ogre on February 25, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
First post here...here goes...

They'll say it's an open competition, but realistically there's not enough practice time to do that.  They're looking at game and practice tape of last season to figure out if there's anything they can coach up in Kodi, or to see if there's something in one of the other's that nobody saw before.  Malzahn's first desire would be a dual threat guy which is why I think Kodi is #1 going in to spring, but he can work with a pocket passer, and may think Kodi's beyond help and look at another.  If Todd's arm stregnth issues were cured by the surgery, he may have a shot, but I'm not counting on that.  Heard lots of good stuff about Trotter, but all hearsay, and all in practice.  Caudle?  if it were a true open competiton, he might have a chance, just don't know, and don't think he'll really get a chance.   Coaches always lean on experience when undecided...so Kodi and Todd will be 1 and 2 going in to spring because that's who they have game film on, and Todd's arm could cause that to change quickly either way.  I think in the fall they will look at Rollison if nobody has really solidly won the job in the spring.   

War Eagle.

Welcome to TigersX, JR!

I'm much more at ease going into this spring knowing that our OC didn't bring in a QB with him, like Franklin did with Todd.  I think we will have a real competition this year, and no one will be playing favorites.  If Todd is as shitty as he was last year, then I think he'll be holding the clipboard all season. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 26, 2009, 01:27:44 AM
Welcome to TigersX, JR!

I'm much more at ease going into this spring knowing that our OC didn't bring in a QB with him, like Franklin did with Todd.  I think we will have a real competition this year, and no one will be playing favorites.  If Todd is as shitty as he was last year, then I think he'll be holding the clipboard all season. 
Shitty is not the word used to describe Chris Todd.  The correct adjective is "lobe" or "cock wallet."
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Greaseyweasel on February 26, 2009, 06:40:27 AM
God your fucking dumbass pollutes this place too?   :puke:
The truth is everywhere.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Thrilla on February 26, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
Shitty is not the word used to describe Chris Todd.  The correct adjective is "lobe" or "cock wallet."

I'm with you.  I don't want Todd on the field, no matter how strong his arm is.  I just can't see him "changing" enough to make the right decisions down the field, plus his arm strength is not going to cure that pussyfooted shuffle-dance he does when pressured in the pocket, which usually ended in complete disaster last season.

I agree with JR (welcome, by the way) in that if Kodi can be "coached up", then he's the man.  I'd like to see some film of Trotter and Caudle as well, so I can better understand their skillz.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 26, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
Welcome to TigersX, JR!

I'm much more at ease going into this spring knowing that our OC didn't bring in a QB with him, like Franklin did with Todd.  I think we will have a real competition this year, and no one will be playing favorites.  If Todd is as shitty as he was last year, then I think he'll be holding the clipboard all season. 

There was a reason Todd was brought in, and started.  Most Auburn folks don't want to hear it or believe anything about that situation, and are much more comfortable just hating Todd.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 26, 2009, 02:15:59 PM
I'm with you.  I don't want Todd on the field, no matter how strong his arm is.  I just can't see him "changing" enough to make the right decisions down the field, plus his arm strength is not going to cure that pussyfooted shuffle-dance he does when pressured in the pocket, which usually ended in complete disaster last season.

I agree with JR (welcome, by the way) in that if Kodi can be "coached up", then he's the man.  I'd like to see some film of Trotter and Caudle as well, so I can better understand their skillz.

Thanks...by the way, the QBs are coached to "fire their feet".  Todd was brought in because he knew that offense, and he did run it better than Kodi...but they weren't actually running Franklin's offense.  Still, Franklin is gone, and so are the other coaches...they'll all be pulling in the same direction, and that should improve the offense on it's own. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on February 26, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
they'll all be pulling in the same direction, and that should improve the offense on it's own. 

Exactly.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Thrilla on February 26, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Thanks...by the way, the QBs are coached to "fire their feet".  Todd was brought in because he knew that offense, and he did run it better than Kodi...but they weren't actually running Franklin's offense.  Still, Franklin is gone, and so are the other coaches...they'll all be pulling in the same direction, and that should improve the offense on it's own. 

Agreed on everything...but Todd doesn't "fire his feet" like he should.  He looks like a deer in some big-ass 18-wheeler headlights when pressured in the pocket.  His ability to check off receivers, scramble, and avoid a sack are sub-par for an SEC level QB.  I have hopes that Malzahn will improve this.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 26, 2009, 03:23:43 PM
There was a reason Todd was brought in, and started.  Most Auburn folks don't want to hear it or believe anything about that situation, and are much more comfortable just hating Todd.
Starting the Slow Clap!
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 26, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Agreed on everything...but Todd doesn't "fire his feet" like he should.  He looks like a deer in some big-ass 18-wheeler headlights when pressured in the pocket.  His ability to check off receivers, scramble, and avoid a sack are sub-par for an SEC level QB.  I have hopes that Malzahn will improve this.
Gus is one of the best I have ever seen at developing a QB to play within his scheme. If the kid has any talent or smarts at all, Gus will figure out what to do with him.
I'm still unsure if Gus will really get to run the offense. I've seen him get micromanaged at Arkansas and that did not work. He got backstabbed here.
Sure he left, but you know, he has yet to say anything bad about Nutt publicly. He knew that he couldn't work at Arkansas at that time even if it was his dream job because of Nutt and his posse. If Petrino leaves, I envision Gus as our next head coach.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 26, 2009, 04:15:42 PM
Gus is one of the best I have ever seen at developing a QB to play within his scheme. If the kid has any talent or smarts at all, Gus will figure out what to do with him.
I'm still unsure if Gus will really get to run the offense. I've seen him get micromanaged at Arkansas and that did not work. He got backstabbed here.
Sure he left, but you know, he has yet to say anything bad about Nutt publicly. He knew that he couldn't work at Arkansas at that time even if it was his dream job because of Nutt and his posse. If Petrino leaves, I envision Gus as our next head coach.

Naaaa...Petrino rarely leaves a gig.  You're solid there.

Okay titz, I've seen that reference several times from Hawg and other fans about Gus not being allowed to run the O and Nutt micromanaging etc.  I'd really like a Hawg fans' take because from what I saw of Arky's offense under Gus/Nutt, they did exactly what they should have done. Feed the stud RBs the ball 80% of the time and mix in the pass when needed with a young, inexperienced QB.  Nothing even remotely resembling what was run at Tulsa.

Now, I want to believe it was Gus being smart and maximizing what he had.  And I can't believe it was all Nutt because if Houston Nutt really takes that kind of control over an offense and that's the style he runs, well he sure changed his tune when he got to Ole Piss.  They are anything but a ground and pound O.  I keep hearing that Gus is great and we'll be fine, but did Arky see the true Gus and did he ever run a "Fast as hell" spread type offense on this level?  Because anyone who doesn't believe SEC linebackers won't blow that spread shit up if not run right, is on drugs.

There are certain types of offense that will work at certain levels of college play.  Just like there are certain offenses that will NEVER work at the pro level.  A true option attack is a thing of beauty to watch.  Run that shit more than once in the pros and Karlos Dansby or ray Lewis will take the ball and your head and chunk them both 20 rows up in the stands.  Hogwally said it best.  Gus' offense (What I saw at Tulsa) will work great until you have to pound it out in the 4th.  Can't do it.  Auburn wasn't big or physical enough to do it last year with our 275 pound linemen.  You MUST be able to pound it in the SEC..period. 

And don't give me Florida.  Tebow is a 235 pound god.  He just cured AIDS by staring at 3 gay people and willing it in his mind.  
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 26, 2009, 04:49:40 PM
Here's a taste of Gus' offense versus USC with a fresh out of High school QB and a freshman receiver (both who are now playing at USC).USC still had a good many of their starters in at this point. That's the way Pete rolls . The game was obviously out of hand before Nutt let Gus have a go.
After this game Nutt gave Gus a little more control with the offense and this freshman QB went 8-0 in his starts.
The petty motherfucker that Nutt is could not stand hearing Gus this, Gus that, and benched the QB and started calling the plays. We fucking tanked.
Nutt also did very well in his first year at Arkansas with Danny Ford's players, then went down hill. Matt Jones single handedly saved his ass for a couple of years.
Watch Mississippi fall. They may be pretty good yet this year, but when Nutt gets his players in and takes the reins away from Austin, look for them to be 6=5, 7-4  year in year out. Which is probably fine with the Rebs. They like going bowling to Memphis and Shrevesport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaSY2dE3NA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FaSY2dE3NA)
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 26, 2009, 05:15:54 PM
He ran the Red X offense?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 26, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
He ran the Red X offense?
Thats twice. Don't you think the problem may be on your end? I see it. It's a youtube embed.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AWK on February 26, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Thats twice. Don't you think the problem may be on your end? I see it. It's a youtube embed.
I see das video.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 26, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Thats twice. Don't you think the problem may be on your end? I see it. It's a youtube embed.

I have no problems on my end...well..except for that flatulence thing from time to time.

Actually, I can see it now when I log on at home but at work, it's nothing but the X.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: boartitz on February 26, 2009, 06:46:43 PM
I have no problems on my end...well..except for that flatulence thing from time to time.

Actually, I can see it now when I log on at home but at work, it's nothing but the X.
I'd quit that fucking job.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 26, 2009, 10:14:59 PM
I'd quit that fucking job.

Damn straight.  Where are your priorities?
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 26, 2009, 10:23:21 PM
I'd quit that fucking job.
He owns the company.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Saniflush on February 27, 2009, 07:44:15 AM
He owns the company.

He should go kick his bosses ass then.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 27, 2009, 08:23:42 AM
He should go kick his bosses ass then.

He has a wife who does that for him.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Saniflush on February 27, 2009, 08:29:15 AM
He has a wife who does that for him.

You ought to fuck his wife then.  That would show him.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: ssgaufan on February 27, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
He owns the company.

Then he should get the firewalls removed, and fuck the bosses wife.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 27, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
You ought to fuck his wife then.  That would show him.
That would be one way to handle it!
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 27, 2009, 02:23:54 PM
Starting the Slow Clap!

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Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 27, 2009, 02:30:05 PM
Agreed on everything...but Todd doesn't "fire his feet" like he should.  He looks like a deer in some big-ass 18-wheeler headlights when pressured in the pocket.  His ability to check off receivers, scramble, and avoid a sack are sub-par for an SEC level QB.  I have hopes that Malzahn will improve this.

Actually his footwork was the way it was supposed to be.  He's not very mobile, but he did know the progressions of the offense which is why he started. 

I honestly don't care who starts, as long as they get the job done.  I can't understand why people would be pulling against any of them.  New offense and new coaching might make one of them very good. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AUChizad on February 27, 2009, 02:48:02 PM
Actually his footwork was the way it was supposed to be.  He's not very mobile, but he did know the progressions of the offense which is why he started. 

I honestly don't care who starts, as long as they get the job done.  I can't understand why people would be pulling against any of them.  New offense and new coaching might make one of them very good. 
I'm with you. Clean slate as far as I'm concerned. If Gus thinks Caudle or Trotter runs this new offense better than any of the other QB's then I'm going with his analysis.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Snaggletiger on February 27, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
I'm also for the guy that gets it done the best, whoever that may be.  I'm glad Malz indicates he'll be a one QB guy.  Of course, we all recall the "Burns and Todd are too close to call" preseason last year.  They split time and then Burns gets banged up.  Even when Burns is healthy, they stuck with Todd til' the season was pretty much a wash.  Not that Burns would have made it any better.

I'm just anxious to see what a QB can do with some real coaching and everyone on the same page.  Part of me is really hoping either Rollison or Mosely wil come in and the coaches say, "Shit, give that boy the ball and let him run the offense" 

Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on February 27, 2009, 06:12:37 PM
Actually his footwork was the way it was supposed to be.  He's not very mobile, but he did know the progressions of the offense which is why he started. 

I honestly don't care who starts, as long as they get the job done.  I can't understand why people would be pulling against any of them.  New offense and new coaching might make one of them very good. 

He's not very mobile is a kind manner of saying he runs like he's got dicks for legs and the trainer was shit out of Viagra.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on February 27, 2009, 11:18:29 PM
He's not very mobile is a kind manner of saying he runs like he's got dicks for legs and the trainer was shit out of Viagra.

Fuck.  I agree with the Poon Clown on this.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Jumbo on February 28, 2009, 02:42:15 AM
????
Thats a line from a movie and I agree with your statement.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 28, 2009, 01:10:55 PM
He's not very mobile is a kind manner of saying he runs like he's got dicks for legs and the trainer was shit out of Viagra.

Peyton Manning isn't very mobile either, but he's a hell of a QB.  Same same Tom Brady.  But that was a really cute way of making a comparison.  Anyway, I doubt Todd is the guy in this offense.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: JR4AU on February 28, 2009, 01:13:29 PM
I'm also for the guy that gets it done the best, whoever that may be.  I'm glad Malz indicates he'll be a one QB guy.  Of course, we all recall the "Burns and Todd are too close to call" preseason last year.  They split time and then Burns gets banged up.  Even when Burns is healthy, they stuck with Todd til' the season was pretty much a wash.  Not that Burns would have made it any better.

I'm just anxious to see what a QB can do with some real coaching and everyone on the same page.  Part of me is really hoping either Rollison or Mosely wil come in and the coaches say, "Shit, give that boy the ball and let him run the offense" 



Rollison, in my opinion, will be given a serious look in the fall.  Mosely will never take a meaningful snap for Auburn at QB. 
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2009, 04:31:30 AM
Peyton Manning isn't very mobile either, but he's a hell of a QB.  Same same Tom Brady.  But that was a really cute way of making a comparison.  Anyway, I doubt Todd is the guy in this offense.

If there was a race?  Peyton Manning could put Tom Brady on his back and crawl.  The Manning-pony could give Chris Todd a 90 yard head start.   The Manning Pony would still have a better time in the 100 than Todd.

Todd is the slowest human being I've ever seen.
Title: Re: You're The Coach. What QB Do You Play?
Post by: Kaos on March 01, 2009, 04:33:32 AM
Rollison, in my opinion, will be given a serious look in the fall.  Mosely will never take a meaningful snap for Auburn at QB. 

I don't think Rollison will ever see the field. I agree on Moseley.  I never understood the jerking off people did over a 2A QB who had no interest from any other legit D1 program.