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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Six on October 02, 2023, 09:49:00 AM
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A. The passing game is virtually non-existent. WRs don't get separation, aren't schemed in a way that helps them, the OL can't hold up, and I'm still not sold there's a QB on the roster that can operate a P5 offense. That's not just a recruiting or personnel issue. There's some coaching malfeasance going on there that needs to get fixed.
2. OC upheaval already? WOTS is Hugh called plays Saturday. Does that portend a coordinator change is coming? I'm fine if he wants to have someone organize practice and gameplan stuff while he calls it Saturday. Just don't be wishy washy (aka latter day Gus) about it. Pick a lane and stay in it. Even just a coordinator change is just another hurdle to ask dudes to jump over in the offseason.
III. Running the ball is The Way this season. Maybe even beyond. We need to have something of a pass game (see 1) but it's clear this team and players are built for a run heavy scheme. It'll aid the defense which is clearly the strength of the team. That said, maybe it's time for Ashford to just be the guy. He may not be all that good, but he's not scared. He doesn't play scared. We need that in the signal caller.
Fourth. Remaining Schedule Lookahead
Bye Week - Comes at a great time. Fix stuff, pick lanes, make decisions.
@ LSU - They look vulnerable on defense. Ole Miss, who hasn't run all year, ran all over them. That's going to be key. We're going to need Daniels to have a bad game and he seems to have worked that out of his system. I'm leaning LSU but I think we make that close. Call it a L for now. (3-3)
Ole Miss - Two weeks ago, I thought we'd have it. Now, I'm not so sure. Lane seems to have removed his head from his sphincter and found a groove. Their D is shoddy, but they rush the QB well. They also score a lot of points (sans the Bama game) and I don't think we can do shootout ball at this juncture. L (3-4)
Mississippi State - They are dogmeat and our defense should feast on the raw beef. I don't think they have more talent and I don't think they are well-coached. If Leach was still there, different story. W (4-4)
@ Vandy - We are more in danger of being hit by construction crews than the smart kids. Auburn gets a conference road win and probably breaks that 100 yard passing against P5 drought. Vandy is truly awful. W (5-4)
@ Arkansas - Big rubber game right here. Both teams will be fighting for bowl games/position to avoid being just above Miss. Stake at the bottom of the West. KJ Jefferson is a problem, but not an unsolvable one. Road game in November there usually means garbage weather. Could be a rock fight. Something tells me the Hogs will have mailed it in by then. W (6-4)
New Mexico State - W. (7-4)
Alabama - Calling it now. By then, Alabama will have two if not three more losses. It will be the first Iron Bowl in a long time when neither team is near the top 15. Health is unpredictable, but if Auburn is anywhere near full bore, there's a chance. I think we make this real close and maybe even pull the upset, but Bama has depth and that counts for something. L (7-5)
7-5 means Nashville or one of the lower Florida bowls. Not bad considering all the factors.
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A. The passing game is virtually non-existent. WRs don't get separation, aren't schemed in a way that helps them, the OL can't hold up, and I'm still not sold there's a QB on the roster that can operate a P5 offense. That's not just a recruiting or personnel issue. There's some coaching malfeasance going on there that needs to get fixed.
2. OC upheaval already? WOTS is Hugh called plays Saturday. Does that portend a coordinator change is coming? I'm fine if he wants to have someone organize practice and gameplan stuff while he calls it Saturday. Just don't be wishy washy (aka latter day Gus) about it. Pick a lane and stay in it. Even just a coordinator change is just another hurdle to ask dudes to jump over in the offseason.
III. Running the ball is The Way this season. Maybe even beyond. We need to have something of a pass game (see 1) but it's clear this team and players are built for a run heavy scheme. It'll aid the defense which is clearly the strength of the team. That said, maybe it's time for Ashford to just be the guy. He may not be all that good, but he's not scared. He doesn't play scared. We need that in the signal caller.
Fourth. Remaining Schedule Lookahead
Bye Week - Comes at a great time. Fix stuff, pick lanes, make decisions.
@ LSU - They look vulnerable on defense. Ole Miss, who hasn't run all year, ran all over them. That's going to be key. We're going to need Daniels to have a bad game and he seems to have worked that out of his system. I'm leaning LSU but I think we make that close. Call it a L for now. (3-3)
Ole Miss - Two weeks ago, I thought we'd have it. Now, I'm not so sure. Lane seems to have removed his head from his sphincter and found a groove. Their D is shoddy, but they rush the QB well. They also score a lot of points (sans the Bama game) and I don't think we can do shootout ball at this juncture. L (3-4)
Mississippi State - They are dogmeat and our defense should feast on the raw beef. I don't think they have more talent and I don't think they are well-coached. If Leach was still there, different story. W (4-4)
@ Vandy - We are more in danger of being hit by construction crews than the smart kids. Auburn gets a conference road win and probably breaks that 100 yard passing against P5 drought. Vandy is truly awful. W (5-4)
@ Arkansas - Big rubber game right here. Both teams will be fighting for bowl games/position to avoid being just above Miss. Stake at the bottom of the West. KJ Jefferson is a problem, but not an unsolvable one. Road game in November there usually means garbage weather. Could be a rock fight. Something tells me the Hogs will have mailed it in by then. W (6-4)
New Mexico State - W. (7-4)
Alabama - Calling it now. By then, Alabama will have two if not three more losses. It will be the first Iron Bowl in a long time when neither team is near the top 15. Health is unpredictable, but if Auburn is anywhere near full bore, there's a chance. I think we make this real close and maybe even pull the upset, but Bama has depth and that counts for something. L (7-5)
7-5 means Nashville or one of the lower Florida bowls. Not bad considering all the factors.
We can only win ugly at this point with a controlled run game and heavy tight end sets. And we can spring anyone in our backfield at any time if there's a seam created up front.
It's what Houston Nutt forced Gus to swallow at Arkansas. No it isn't glamourous or exciting for the average fan but losing games you should win is the sole reason why Malzahn is at Central Florida.
Man up and do what you do best with the talent you have. It's that simple.
Enough of the round hole/square peg.
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NO to Ashford.
The passing game is growing a little at a time. And remind me which QB had the most rushing yards against uga again...
Even running the ball, I am not convinced Robby is reading ANY option reads. At this point, PT is making some reads.
If he gets more comfortable making those reads, defenses will allow a few more open passes.
No, PT is no world beater, but he progresses each week. Robby is well, just Robby. There is no progression. The triple option was nice to see back there, but he never handed off to 23.
Leave PT in and tell him that if the DE is not charging, hand the ball off. No way a squatting DE gets to Battie. Also the same with himself. If you have a fat DE squatting on the QB, most likely PT can get around the guy. At this point, the option HAS to be practiced more for both guys. And the short passing game needs to be priority.
From a passing standpoint, the line got crushed a lot. However PT delivered some nice balls to MJ that should have been receptions. We do not have THAT dog at WR.
Armchair fans keep screaming that a WR was always open, why didn't PT throw it? Well, if that WR was progression read #1, then yes, PT shit the bed. If he's 2,3,or 4. The line had already collapsed.
Watching many a replay, our WRs look like they are trotting with the DBs. I watch other teams and their WRs are leaving the DB in the dust almost every play. We seam to coach like we have those guys instead of our pedestrian WRs.
So for now, we stick to timed outs and curls using the big guys to screen off the defender.
Again, NO ROBBY.
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I might add that I plan to wear a Magnum on other weekends besides just the Arkansas game.
Good points 6. And The Jmar. I was as encouraged as someone could be coming from the shitshow that we saw in Texas. Kaos already has me confused about my identity. Re Bucky, I mean. Because I was very antiFreeze in the beginning and then I have been so very impressed with what he had done up until A&M. That was an offensive turd.
The Georgia game was ultra impressive and the recruiting list was unmatched in AU history. That isn’t the end all but it sure goes a long way. When you put up that kind of fight and have that many 5 stars in attendance and have a chance to beat the number one team, people take it seriously.
If you are still doing any football podcasting, I’m available for guest hosting. I think you know that I didn’t just blow the flute or twirl a flag. Not there’s anything wrong with that.
It takes a bunch of weirdos to make for a cool crowd like I was one of the leaders in. Without the freaks there would be no difference.
It’s the same around here as it was in high school, except there are a lot more freaks here.
Just let me know.
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NO to Ashford.
The passing game is growing a little at a time. And remind me which QB had the most rushing yards against uga again...
Even running the ball, I am not convinced Robby is reading ANY option reads. At this point, PT is making some reads.
If he gets more comfortable making those reads, defenses will allow a few more open passes.
No, PT is no world beater, but he progresses each week. Robby is well, just Robby. There is no progression. The triple option was nice to see back there, but he never handed off to 23.
Leave PT in and tell him that if the DE is not charging, hand the ball off. No way a squatting DE gets to Battie. Also the same with himself. If you have a fat DE squatting on the QB, most likely PT can get around the guy. At this point, the option HAS to be practiced more for both guys. And the short passing game needs to be priority.
From a passing standpoint, the line got crushed a lot. However PT delivered some nice balls to MJ that should have been receptions. We do not have THAT dog at WR.
Armchair fans keep screaming that a WR was always open, why didn't PT throw it? Well, if that WR was progression read #1, then yes, PT shit the bed. If he's 2,3,or 4. The line had already collapsed.
Watching many a replay, our WRs look like they are trotting with the DBs. I watch other teams and their WRs are leaving the DB in the dust almost every play. We seam to coach like we have those guys instead of our pedestrian WRs.
So for now, we stick to timed outs and curls using the big guys to screen off the defender.
Again, NO ROBBY.
I can see some of what you are saying but Robby is an elite athlete. He can’t pass for shit but he can throw it a long way. He is a huge threat.
I’ve discussed this at length with Hugh and we will continue to have a package for Robby.
You just worry about Desantis raising your taxes and all of the riff raff of Bike Week. The only thing I’ve ever known from Florida is steers and queers.
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In Thorne's defense, he looked a lot better this week, than last. And his numbers didn't do that justice with the amount of pigskin hitting WRs in the hands and being dropped. The WRs are absolutely the weak link on this team. I think you gotta get Battie in space on swing passes and Fairweather in good matchups in the flat.
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In Thorne's defense, he looked a lot better this week, than last. And his numbers didn't do that justice with the amount of pigskin hitting WRs in the hands and being dropped. The WRs are absolutely the weak link on this team. I think you gotta get Battie in space on swing passes and Fairweather in good matchups in the flat.
This^
I have come around to the idea that despite my own thinking that the QB room was the weakest that the WR room is the one that needs the most help. And QB isn’t a strength by any means, the WR issues are glaring at this point. Saturday made it even more clear.
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Yeah there's a quote function on this thing.
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I saw a team willing to fight, and one that is determined to get better as the season goes on. We might break even this year, but every team we play will have significant bumps and bruises from playing a physical Auburn defense. Offense… I was impressed with Thorne’s progression after his Turtle Moseley reenactment last week. I have not been a fan of him really all season, but I saw a fire lit under his ass on Saturday. 6 of his incompletions were very catchable balls, which is a shame on our receiving core. 50/50 balls with them is more like 10/90 balls, and that 10 is Fairweather.
The run game is churning. I’d spend the next 2 weeks figuring out a simplistic, reliable passing game that we can deploy moving forward. Take thinking out of it and let these chirren play ball. Hard to grasp a new offense and to know the “ifs and buts” in 1 fall camp.
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NO to Ashford.
The passing game is growing a little at a time. And remind me which QB had the most rushing yards against uga again...
Even running the ball, I am not convinced Robby is reading ANY option reads. At this point, PT is making some reads.
If he gets more comfortable making those reads, defenses will allow a few more open passes.
No, PT is no world beater, but he progresses each week. Robby is well, just Robby. There is no progression. The triple option was nice to see back there, but he never handed off to 23.
Leave PT in and tell him that if the DE is not charging, hand the ball off. No way a squatting DE gets to Battie. Also the same with himself. If you have a fat DE squatting on the QB, most likely PT can get around the guy. At this point, the option HAS to be practiced more for both guys. And the short passing game needs to be priority.
From a passing standpoint, the line got crushed a lot. However PT delivered some nice balls to MJ that should have been receptions. We do not have THAT dog at WR.
Armchair fans keep screaming that a WR was always open, why didn't PT throw it? Well, if that WR was progression read #1, then yes, PT shit the bed. If he's 2,3,or 4. The line had already collapsed.
Watching many a replay, our WRs look like they are trotting with the DBs. I watch other teams and their WRs are leaving the DB in the dust almost every play. We seam to coach like we have those guys instead of our pedestrian WRs.
So for now, we stick to timed outs and curls using the big guys to screen off the defender.
Again, NO ROBBY.
We don't neccesarilly have to be a read option team, just use it as the situation calls. We can run screens and draws, quick hitters and drag routes and occasionally take a deep shot downfield on first and second downs. We should also milk the clock down to 5 or 6 seconds each play. (no delay penalties or stupid time outs)[/size]I say we try a similar approach to UGA as far as setting the tone and put the onus on the other team to get cute in a field possession game. We have what I think is a very accurate kicker and our punter seems to be world class. Use what you have to it's full advantage.Most of the teams we play have young QBs trying to find their way with receivers that don't have the knack for finding open field while making fucking circus catches.
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I saw a team willing to fight, and one that is determined to get better as the season goes on. We might break even this year, but every team we play will have significant bumps and bruises from playing a physical Auburn defense. Offense… I was impressed with Thorne’s progression after his Turtle Moseley reenactment last week. I have not been a fan of him really all season, but I saw a fire lit under his ass on Saturday. 6 of his incompletions were very catchable balls, which is a shame on our receiving core. 50/50 balls with them is more like 10/90 balls, and that 10 is Fairweather.
The run game is churning. I’d spend the next 2 weeks figuring out a simplistic, reliable passing game that we can deploy moving forward. Take thinking out of it and let these chirren play ball. Hard to grasp a new offense and to know the “ifs and buts” in 1 fall camp.
I like this. And let it be known to potential recruits that we intend to have a balanced offense that lights up the megaboard at Jordan Hare with talent that know Auburn as home.
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One last point of bitching and then I'll let this game die (though, to be honest, I'm not upset AT ALL with the result here...mostly because of the effort shown):
If the distance to gain for a first down is 1 yard or less...DO NOT FUCKING LINE UP IN A SHOTGUN FORMATION.
This isn't just an Auburn problem, it's widespread. And fucking stupid. Don't do it.
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One last point of bitching and then I'll let this game die (though, to be honest, I'm not upset AT ALL with the result here...mostly because of the effort shown):
If the distance to gain for a first down is 1 yard or less...DO NOT FUCKING LINE UP IN A SHOTGUN FORMATION.
This isn't just an Auburn problem, it's widespread. And fucking stupid. Don't do it.
I hear you. I'd also be curious to hear WHY they did. Not sure it would be a valid reason, but I am curious. There has to be a reason even if a weird one.
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One last point of bitching and then I'll let this game die (though, to be honest, I'm not upset AT ALL with the result here...mostly because of the effort shown):
If the distance to gain for a first down is 1 yard or less...DO NOT FUCKING LINE UP IN A SHOTGUN FORMATION.
This isn't just an Auburn problem, it's widespread. And fucking stupid. Don't do it.
Don’t see a flaw in this take at all. I haven’t looked it up yet, but I bet our 4th down conversion rate is terrible this season. Seems like they all get blown up immediately behind the line of play.
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One last point of bitching and then I'll let this game die (though, to be honest, I'm not upset AT ALL with the result here...mostly because of the effort shown):
If the distance to gain for a first down is 1 yard or less...DO NOT FUCKING LINE UP IN A SHOTGUN FORMATION.
This isn't just an Auburn problem, it's widespread. And fucking stupid. Don't do it.
I used to think the same but I have changed my opinion. 2010 has some to do with it, although we did sneak it from under center. We also ran a lot of short yardage with Cam in the shotgun. But when 90 plus percent of your plays are in the shotgun, going under center is making a center and qb exchange problem more likely, I’d think
Also, if you consider a qb under center handing off to a RB, then there are two exchanges to consider. A direct snap to the qb , if he’s running it, is a higher percentage as far as exchanges go.
I still think under center has its place and that’s vs weaker fronts. We should definitely employ it by making sure during the practice week to do it a lot more than we normally practice it. It needs to be another tool in the arsenal.
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I used to think the same but I have changed my opinion. 2010 has some to do with it, although we did sneak it from under center. We also ran a lot of short yardage with Cam in the shotgun. But when 90 plus percent of your plays are in the shotgun, going under center is making a center and qb exchange problem more likely, I’d think
Also, if you consider a qb under center handing off to a RB, then there are two exchanges to consider. A direct snap to the qb , if he’s running it, is a higher percentage as far as exchanges go.
I still think under center has its place and that’s vs weaker fronts. We should definitely employ it by making sure during the practice week to do it a lot more than we normally practice it. It needs to be another tool in the arsenal.
You have the defense thinking run first with center-quarterback exchanges.
And the ballsiest calls I've ever witnessed were completed throws when a team is backed up into their own endzone with enough time left on the clock for the other team to win the game if you choose to punt.
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If you don't practice under center short-yardage stuff, there's a chance you'll screw it up in game situations. That's what coaches have said, at least. Thing is, this offense has some under center work and I know Thorne did that at Michigan State. So, it's curious.
Wes, I'm with you in that this isn't just an Auburn problem. I blame this (and a whole host of other current offense trends) on the 7-on-7 Texas HS philosophy that's taken over football.
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One last point of bitching and then I'll let this game die (though, to be honest, I'm not upset AT ALL with the result here...mostly because of the effort shown):
If the distance to gain for a first down is 1 yard or less...DO NOT FUCKING LINE UP IN A SHOTGUN FORMATION.
This isn't just an Auburn problem, it's widespread. And fucking stupid. Don't do it.
You should go visit the Ark boards, you'll feel right at home. It's been the turning point in a couple games already. One of the local writers says it's because of the coach's arrogance, thinks he knows better than the fans. Don't know about Auburn, but I have a sneaking suspicion the reason the hogs don't do it is because they've tried it in practice and don't have a very high success rate.
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Yeah. We gotta be under center so that dude don’t snap it over the QB’s head and take away the RPO.
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We have demonstrated to anyone watching that we are inept in the passing game, easily defended. So it would seem that the best way to spring a surprise pass on an opponent (with a somewhat better chance of success) would be by taking the snap under center.
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I find it amusing that for the first time in a long time, neither Auburn nor Alabama has an offensive line that full functions. Both also have issues with the center snapping the ball other places besides the QBs hands.
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Just a few observational tidbits:
As mentioned earlier, the snaps back to the QB were all over the place. Really threw the timing off on 4-5 plays, and killed momentum on at least one drive.
Not that the QB's had a ton of time, but they had a buttload more than at A&M. Thought they played well, and could bode well for the rest of the season.
The whole key to the game for me, was our total inability to put any semblance of pressure on Beck on any of the numerous 3rd and long situations. He had all day, and picked us apart when they needed it most.
The off week comes at a much needed time. This team is beat the hell up, and could use a break to get some guys healed up.
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More general musings.
I had a pre-dick-shun of USC 45-42 over the Buffs. Turned out 48-41. Two putrid defenses. I had UK 24-12 over Gusty Gaytah. It was 33-14. Whiffed on Arkansas and A&M, and sure didn't see the track meet between OM and LSU. I picked the Bengal Kitties, because Lane has choked on a large Somalian cock every time he gets in a big game. I still heard people ripping him for continuing to go for it on 4th in the dumbest of situations.
I was railing against the 16.5 that Texas was giving Kansas. Turned out the Las Vegas boys knew a little something I didn't. Not that they don't always know. Kansas' stud QB was ruled out. He's everything to that team.
On FUGA: The difference I saw in this year's club, and last few years, is D. Their offense has never been anything special. They scored a lot because their D shut everybody down, and gave them the ball over and over. This is a decent defense, but not in the same stratoshpere as recent teams.
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On FUGA: The difference I saw in this year's club, and last few years, is D. Their offense has never been anything special. They scored a lot because their D shut everybody down, and gave them the ball over and over. This is a decent defense, but not in the same stratoshpere as recent teams.
They do not have any fire to them. They look bored. They play bored. They still win. Ho hum.
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They do not have any fire to them. They look bored. They play bored. They still win. Ho hum.
Which is annoying because we could have beat that ass.
The receivers were most of the difference between our L and a potential narrative-altering W.
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Just a few observational tidbits:
As mentioned earlier, the snaps back to the QB were all over the place. Really threw the timing off on 4-5 plays, and killed momentum on at least one drive.
Down on the goal line when we were stopped on fourth down, everyone kept complaining that we kept running it up the middle. Those were RPOs. PT should have pulled it and ran on 3rd. On fourth he had no choice but to hand it off as he had to jump for the snap. So no RPO possible at that point.
I know some of you don’t think the option is vital this season, but I’m here to tell you, it will be the difference.
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I know some of you don’t think the option is vital this season, but I’m here to tell you, it will be the difference.
I'm all for it. But give me the guy with better speed if we're doing that.
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Which is annoying because we could have beat that ass.
The receivers were most of the difference between our L and a potential narrative-altering W.
Had them on the mat and let them up at 2 every time. Eventually, Ric Flair is gonna slap on the small package or the backslide. Then, it's over.
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Had them on the mat and let them up at 2 every time. Eventually, Ric Flair is gonna slap on the small package or the backslide. Then, it's over.
Amateur! The nut shot, while the ref is distracted, always preceded the finishing move.
WOOOOOOOO.........!
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Amateur! The nut shot, while the ref is distracted, always preceded the finishing move.
WOOOOOOOO.........!
You forgot his trademark flip-reversal of the irish whip.
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You forgot his trademark flip-reversal of the irish whip.
That's what I would do to his daughter, Charlotte.
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I'm all for it. But give me the guy with better speed if we're doing that.
What good is that speed if they know he won’t/can’t throw?
He won’t be successful a whole game. That is why the option works for PT.
If we see Robby for more than a few plays a game, we won’t make a bowl game this season.
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What good is that speed if they know he won’t/can’t throw?
He won’t be successful a whole game. That is why the option works for PT.
If we see Robby for more than a few plays a game, we won’t make a bowl game this season.
With how these WR’s are dropping balls, we might still not make a bowl game. I know they are kids, but most of them are getting paid now. They need to do their job and catch the ball. If we don’t pass for over 100 yards against LSU, I’m going to have a conniption fit.
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What good is that speed if they know he won’t/can’t throw?
He won’t be successful a whole game. That is why the option works for PT.
If we see Robby for more than a few plays a game, we won’t make a bowl game this season.
Robby can throw to WRs who won't catch as well as PT can.
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Robby can throw to WRs who won't catch as well as PT can.
It’s obvious you haven’t seen Robby throw. The other team’s defense loves your idea.
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It’s obvious you haven’t seen Robby throw. The other team’s defense loves your idea.
Robby wasn’t all too bad. I think a lot of it has to do with scheme, WR talent, and limited opportunity. Watch his Stat Tiger Highlights on YouTube and try not to shed a tear.
Signed,
President of the Robby Ashford Fan Club
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Robby can throw to WRs who won't catch as well as PT can.
So, you’re saying that Peyton Thorne catches better than our receivers?
This is concerning. But I think you’re probably right.
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Robby hurls it in the general direction on longer throws, lacks touch on shorter stuff. Peyton places the ball in the general area on medium throws where a guy like Bowers would catch them.
So it would seem either can play if we would only go to a quick game and stay mostly within the hashes because everything else is not even a good setup for the next play.
I'm for economy. Utilize your strengths as Caddy did toward the end of 2022. Run the damn ball.
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Robby can throw to WRs who won't catch as well as PT can.
So, you're using the same logic I use when buying golf balls? The cheap ones make the same noise when they splash down or hit the trees.
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So, you're using the same logic I use when buying golf balls? The cheap ones make the same noise when they splash down or hit the trees.
This guy gets it.