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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Jumbo on September 30, 2018, 12:20:56 PM
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https://articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/09/its_time_to_lower_expectations.amp
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I 100% agree that our offense sucked on Saturday. Really, really bad.
But, the people who were “billing†it as high flying before the season were either out of touch with reality or purposely setting unrealistic expectations, IMO.
Replacing 4 starters on the o line isn’t easy unless your name is Saban.
PS- this Goodyear guy is just a bama hack, btw. Regardless how anyone feels about Gus, don’t buy what he’s selling. He has ulterior motive. I’m telling you.
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https://youtu.be/3flv5nWZgII
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I 100% agree that our offense sucked on Saturday. Really, really bad.
But, the people who were “billing†it as high flying before the season were either out of touch with reality or purposely setting unrealistic expectations, IMO.
Replacing 4 starters on the o line isn’t easy unless your name is Saban.
PS- this Goodyear guy is just a bama hack, btw. Regardless how anyone feels about Gus, don’t buy what he’s selling. He has ulterior motive. I’m telling you.
I don't think anyone thought it would be "high flying". We did think it would be pass driven given the new line. Short passes and crossing routes to back the defense off so we can run. But good ole Gus only knows one way to do things. If that square peg does not fit, you beat that thing till the corners fall off!
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https://youtu.be/3flv5nWZgII
This guy knows what I'm talking about.
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I don't think anyone thought it would be "high flying". We did think it would be pass driven given the new line. Short passes and crossing routes to back the defense off so we can run. But good ole Gus only knows one way to do things. If that square peg does not fit, you beat that thing till the corners fall off!
Yep.
As much as the OLine, Kam, and Stidham suck there are ways to overcome obstacles. We don't do those things. The WR screen or throw deep.
RB screen? What happened to RPO? RB Draw?
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If you watched the Pedophiles vs Domestic Abusers game, Penn State's line did not look good. Not sure if that was because OSU has a good D-Line although they were missing their best player.
Yet McSorely stepped up in the pocket or took off and ran. Our QB does not have that moxie.
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Yep.
As much as the OLine, Kam, and Stidham suck there are ways to overcome obstacles. We don't do those things. The WR screen or throw deep.
RB screen? What happened to RPO? RB Draw?
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I think they told Stidham NOT to run. There have been OBVIOUS times that he should have pulled the ball, and didn't!
When the defender is tackling the RB, you really shouldn't hand it off. Just saying!
And now I see people saying we should give Willis a chance! While I agree he should have a few plays(maybe even a series), no way I think he is the better choice.
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And now I see people saying we should give Willis a chance! While I agree he should have a few plays(maybe even a series), no way I think he is the better choice.
Fuck no, as much as Stidham is a problem this is certainly not a solution. We will go from turtle speed to rock speed.
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Fuck no, as much as Stidham is a problem this is certainly not a solution. We will go from turtle speed to rock speed.
The Rock played college ball at Miami. Oh to have that speed
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I don't think anyone thought it would be "high flying". We did think it would be pass driven given the new line. Short passes and crossing routes to back the defense off so we can run. But good ole Gus only knows one way to do things. If that square peg does not fit, you beat that thing till the corners fall off!
Pretty much says it all for me.
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At what point is Stidham going to step up into the pocket?
I'm sick of the waddling.
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At what point is Stidham going to step up into the pocket?
I'm sick of the waddling.
We have holes in our pockets.
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At what point is Stidham going to step up into the pocket?
I'm sick of the waddling.
I finally got to watch the whole game. Stidham has no damn clue what to do when the defense shows blitz. It’s a shit show every time. He hands it off right into the blitz. If long pass routes are called, he tries to make it work, knowing he only has 1.5 seconds to hit a 3 second route. I’m. Not sure he’s changed a play yet. But all we hear is that they trust him to check at the line!
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The Rock played college ball at Miami. Oh to have that speed
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The fanny pack's where dey keep dem roids.
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The Rock was a kid and play fan...who knew.
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The Rock was a kid and play fan...who knew.
It's a House Party.
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It's a House Party.
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I don't think anyone thought it would be "high flying". We did think it would be pass driven given the new line. Short passes and crossing routes to back the defense off so we can run. But good ole Gus only knows one way to do things. If that square peg does not fit, you beat that thing till the corners fall off!
The reason for my use of the term “high flying†is that the author of the article in the link that Jumbo posted used that term.
In your defense, it was buried deep down in the story. The third paragraph.
I guess that I just appreciate someone making the effort, so I read what they post.
Except for Prowler, of course. And Wes. Or, Token. Or, most of your stuff.
Anyhow, you get the drift. And I’m not arguing anything about how inept our O has looked or chip or Gus. It’s their job to fix.
But I am saying this hack is paid to make bad look worse.
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The reason for my use of the term “high flying†is that the author of the article in the link that Jumbo posted used that term.
In your defense, it was buried deep down in the story. The third paragraph.
I guess that I just appreciate someone making the effort, so I read what they post.
Except for Prowler, of course. And Wes. Or, Token. Or, most of your stuff.
Anyhow, you get the drift. And I’m not arguing anything about how inept our O has looked or chip or Gus. It’s their job to fix.
But I am saying this hack is paid to make bad look worse.
So basically you are just a shitty parrot...Understood.
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So basically you are just a shitty parrot...Understood.
He a low flying shitty parrot.
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The most pathetic statistic I've ever heard came during the Finebaum show today. Make it clear, I do not listen to the show at all. I was listening to an NFL game on that station Sunday and today was the first time I have gotten into my truck since. Station was already on. When I heard Finebaum I reached immediately to turn the station, but as I did I heard his guest say "the Auburn coaching staff is badly misusing Stidham..." So I hesitated.
The guest, and I still don't know who he was but he wasn't a caller, said that against Southern Miss .... Southern Miss!... Stidham attempted no passes between 10 and 50 yards. ZERO. Not using the middle of the field for any reason.
Further, on every running play there was an extra tight end or blocking back in the formation. On every passing play there were four wide. (I don't know if this is true). The guest said anyone could clearly see what was coming.
It's pathetic. I'm extremely disappointed with the growth curve for this offense and program.
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The guest, and I still don't know who he was but he wasn't a caller, said that against Southern Miss .... Southern Miss!... Stidham attempted no passes between 10 and 50 yards. ZERO. Not using the middle of the field for any reason.
Minus the two bombs to Seth Williams (46yd TD) & Darius Slayton (48yd)
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Minus the two bombs to Seth Williams (46yd TD) & Darius Slayton (48yd)
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I'm with Prowler on this one. He didn't say rounding, he said none.
Certainly should have been more but whoever it was obviously did not have his facts in order.
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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/advanced-stats-show-jarrett-stidham-thrived-quick-throws-auburns-offense/
82% prior to UCF Peach Massacre.
All we get now are bombs and a half dozen wide receiver screens.
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That brings me to my next querstion...what is the general definition of an intermediate route, yard wise? 10-30 yards? 10-50 yards? 5.2347 - 17.3598 yards?
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I'm with Prowler on this one. He didn't say rounding, he said none.
Certainly should have been more but whoever it was obviously did not have his facts in order.
Oh pffffttt.
Does it change the material fact that our offensive philosophy when it comes to passing is dink or bomb with nothing inbetween? Whether the bomb is almost 50 or exactly 50 doesn’t invalidate the stupidity of this coaching staff or its failure to create a mid-range strategy.
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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/auburn-football/chip-lindsey-comments-on-the-struggles-of-auburns-offense-its-not-just-one-group/
Translation: I'm blaming everything but my moronic play calling.
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Oh pffffttt.
Does it change the material fact that our offensive philosophy when it comes to passing is dink or bomb with nothing inbetween? Whether the bomb is almost 50 or exactly 50 doesn’t invalidate the stupidity of this coaching staff or its failure to create a mid-range strategy.
Oh I agree, we dumbasses but there were more than 0
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I don't get it, Big Dan.
“I thought he did some good things. A couple missed throws, a couple deep balls he hit probably changes your whole outcome on what you think, as far as that goes,†Lindsey continued
So, why worry that the OL couldn't block my 86 year old grandmother coming up the middle? The real answer is that we need to keep chunking it deep and hoping we can connect on 1 or 2 more of those a game.
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That brings me to my next querstion...what is the general definition of an intermediate route, yard wise? 10-30 yards? 10-50 yards? 5.2347 - 17.3598 yards?
Uh huh.
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I don't get it, Big Dan.
So, why worry that the OL couldn't block my 86 year old grandmother coming up the middle? The real answer is that we need to keep chunking it deep and hoping we can connect on 1 or 2 more of those a game.
Oh so it's our perception that's flawed.
We don't suck donkey balls after all.
Thanks Chip.
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That brings me to my next querstion...what is the general definition of an intermediate route, yard wise? 10-30 yards? 10-50 yards? 5.2347 - 17.3598 yards?
Not that I matter but I would think it would be 10-30 yards
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I need a pie chart.
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I need a pie chart.
My fat butt just needs a pie.
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My fat butt just needs a pie.
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Fat butt's require pecan or sweet potato, not a meringue.
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Not too tart not too sweet, my baby loves to watch me eat her....
key lime pie.....her key lime pie.
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Just an observation from watching the Ravens vs. Steelers the other night. They had several series where the camera view was from behind the QB. I saw Rapelisberger and Flacco complete about 10 passes. These guys were throwing darts into tight windows and completing them. The coverage is so good at that level. In college, you'd say nobody was open. In the NFL, if the receiver is just in a certain position in relation to the DB, he's open and the QB pulls the trigger. No running around, waiting for 5 yards of clear separation. The DB has his head turned the wrong way and that's how I'm going to complete this pass. Doesn't matter if he's draped all over him.
Pretty awesome to watch.
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Fat butt's require pecan or sweet potato, not a meringue.
PEE'kan or PeKON?
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I need a pie chart.
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I finally got to watch the whole game. Stidham has no damn clue what to do when the defense shows blitz. It’s a shit show every time. He hands it off right into the blitz. If long pass routes are called, he tries to make it work, knowing he only has 1.5 seconds to hit a 3 second route. I’m. Not sure he’s changed a play yet. But all we hear is that they trust him to check at the line!
Were we not informed by the coaching staff, before the season, that Stidham would be given freedom? All I've seen is the same old clap your hands, look to sidelines for 20 seconds, barley get ball snapped before penalty, hand off up the middle.
If we aren't going to have HUNH, then let's put in a better offense!! We aren't fooling anyone with the "RPO" we are supposedly running. Like most of you, I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THIS SHIT!!! Unlike the prowlers of the world, I am going to support Gus as long as he's the coach, but let me be clear, I hope that Green sees that this is crap, and the fans expect more and the University should DEMAND more for the money they are paying this chump!! Gus can't pack his bags fast enough for me!! Make Steele HC!!!
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I'm not really sure what you call the abortion we're running. An "abortion"? Is this Lindsey's offense? Is it Gus'? Is it Lindsey trying to call Gus' offense? If I had to guess, I'd say Lindsey calling Gus' offense with a lot of input from Malzahn.
Non-expert Armchair analysis: Malzahn's offense is 100% built around being able to run the ball downhill, and run it quickly. Everything else works off that. I've been told on more than one occasion by people who actually do have some expertise, that his passing schemes are garbage. If we got down in a game and had to rely on the pass to get back in it, we'd be lucky to get a couple of first downs. But, if we're gashing the middle and hitting on some jet sweeps, just about any passing scheme can be effective.
What I'm seeing along with everyone else, is that our line is teh suxxors. We're just not a good running team right now. And with that element taken away, Gus/Lindsey have no answers. As many have mentioned, it's quick screens, swing passes or heave it long. And if we as fans can see that, I think any half decent defensive coordinator can easily prepare for us.
The bigger issue is why these two guys can't come up with something better.
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The bigger issue is why these two guys can't come up with something better.
I thought I clearly illustrated this.
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That brings me to my next querstion...what is the general definition of an intermediate route, yard wise? 10-30 yards? 10-50 yards? 5.2347 - 17.3598 yards?
We did attempt a pass to Seth across the middle(12 yds) it was a shitty pass. So it was forgettable.
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I'm not really sure what you call the abortion we're running. An "abortion"? Is this Lindsey's offense? Is it Gus'? Is it Lindsey trying to call Gus' offense? If I had to guess, I'd say Lindsey calling Gus' offense with a lot of input from Malzahn.
Non-expert Armchair analysis: Malzahn's offense is 100% built around being able to run the ball downhill, and run it quickly. Everything else works off that. I've been told on more than one occasion by people who actually do have some expertise, that his passing schemes are garbage. If we got down in a game and had to rely on the pass to get back in it, we'd be lucky to get a couple of first downs. But, if we're gashing the middle and hitting on some jet sweeps, just about any passing scheme can be effective.
What I'm seeing along with everyone else, is that our line is teh suxxors. We're just not a good running team right now. And with that element taken away, Gus/Lindsey have no answers. As many have mentioned, it's quick screens, swing passes or heave it long. And if we as fans can see that, I think any half decent defensive coordinator can easily prepare for us.
The bigger issue is why these two guys can't come up with something better.
We’ve seen this before. And I know who the common denominator is.
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We’ve seen this before. And I know who the common denominator is.
Bobby Lowder?
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Bobby Lowder?
Do you take checks from Colonial Bank?
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Bobby Lowder?
Jay Jacobs
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Jay Jacobs
The 49 million dollar bus needs a paint job.
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The 49 million dollar bus needs a paint job.
At this point, I'd take the bus from Slap Shot.
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At this point, I'd take the bus from Slap Shot.
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Gus’s offense doesn’t work without a run threat at quick. He refuses to open up the run game by getting the passing game early. Every time we run we bring in Chandler Cox and go two tight ends which screams to the defense hey we’re running the ball or we go 4 wide with a single back and pass.
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Gus’s offense doesn’t work without a run threat at quick. He refuses to open up the run game by getting the passing game early. Every time we run we bring in Chandler Cox and go two tight ends which screams to the defense hey we’re running the ball or we go 4 wide with a single back and pass.
I’ll take “Things Kaos said†for $800, Alex.
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Gus’s offense doesn’t work without a run threat at quick. He refuses to open up the run game by getting the passing game early. Every time we run we bring in Chandler Cox and go two tight ends which screams to the defense hey we’re running the ball or we go 4 wide with a single back and pass.
That's exactly right Jumbo. So, we need to run more out of passing formations and pass more out of running formations...But, that would mean throwing a pass to the TE, which I thought was illegal, since we've only done that 4 times over 5 years and then we'd get 40 yards worth of penalties as punishment for doing so.
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All I know is Sabinz is talking students not cheering in Turdtown while 5 weeks in Gus is fielding softball questions as to why our offense is fucked...AGAIN!
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Serious question. What's it going to take to send Gus packing? If this "offensive minded" coach goes to recruit some high level kid, what are his selling points? Gus; "I have had some good qb's come through our system and have never lived up to their potential, you could be the first!" Auburn has plenty of talent and can't even win, why would any recruit worth a damn want to come to AU? This is going to put us in a downhill spiral for the entire program. When do we finally say enough is enough? When do we as a fan base demand the powers that be to do something?
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Serious question. What's it going to take to send Gus packing? If this "offensive minded" coach goes to recruit some high level kid, what are his selling points? Gus; "I have had some good qb's come through our system and have never lived up to their potential, you could be the first!" Auburn has plenty of talent and can't even win, why would any recruit worth a damn want to come to AU? This is going to put us in a downhill spiral for the entire program. When do we finally say enough is enough? When do we as a fan base demand the powers that be to do something?
Last year
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from the dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.. He's our Huckleberry.
Malzahn's buyout as of Dec. 1 will be $32,143,750, according to the database, which if also fifth among all head coaches, behind Fisher ($68,125,000), Meyer ($38,058,402), Swinney ($35 million) and Saban ($33.6 million).
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Serious question. What's it going to take to send Gus packing? If this "offensive minded" coach goes to recruit some high level kid, what are his selling points? Gus; "I have had some good qb's come through our system and have never lived up to their potential, you could be the first!" Auburn has plenty of talent and can't even win, why would any recruit worth a damn want to come to AU? This is going to put us in a downhill spiral for the entire program. When do we finally say enough is enough? When do we as a fan base demand the powers that be to do something?
With regard to recruiting, that's the one area this man and his staffs have always been top shelf. Granted, they've been a big floppity flop in the O-line category in recent years, which is a big part of our offensive woes right now. Otherwise, we've been able to put a 4 or 5 star guy on the field at every position since he's been here.
It's the development of players, schemes and play calling (All on offense) that have tanked.
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It's the development of players, schemes and play calling (All on offense) that have tanked.
His supposed specialty.
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His supposed specialty.
Well, which is it young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if'n I freeze, I can't rightly drop. And if'n I drop, I'ma gonna be in motion. You see...
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Well, which is it young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if'n I freeze, I can't rightly drop. And if'n I drop, I'ma gonna be in motion. You see...
Nobody brought up Hugh in this thread.
Btu since you did, could he develop our QBs? If so, hire his ass! Screw the NCAA. Worked for Pearl.
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Nobody brought up Hugh in this thread.
Btu since you did, could he develop our QBs? If so, hire his ass! Screw the NCAA. Worked for Pearl.
Hire him, and give him a burner phone to call the hookers with.
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Nobody brought up Hugh in this thread.
Btu since you did, could he develop our QBs? If so, hire his ass! Screw the NCAA. Worked for Pearl.
I think Alabama tried that this past spring, but the SEC told Saban that he shoudln't do it. Not for a NCAA reason, but more along the lines of perception and how Ole Miss would be on probation, and Freeze would be coaching at one of their rivals.
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Well, which is it young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if'n I freeze, I can't rightly drop. And if'n I drop, I'ma gonna be in motion. You see...
Shit, where'd all the tellers go?
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Malzahn's buyout as of Dec. 1 will be $32,143,750, according to the database, which if also fifth among all head coaches, behind Fisher ($68,125,000), Meyer ($38,058,402), Swinney ($35 million) and Saban ($33.6 million).
Any VPs around here?
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I think Alabama tried that this past spring, but the SEC told Saban that he shoudln't do it. Not for a NCAA reason, but more along the lines of perception and how Ole Miss would be on probation, and Freeze would be coaching at one of their rivals.
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I think Alabama tried that this past spring, but the SEC told Saban that he shoudln't do it. Not for a NCAA reason, but more along the lines of perception and how Ole Miss would be on probation, and Freeze would be coaching at one of their rivals.
Bammer was not desperate!
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No, you don't.
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Last year
Oh so now you tell us.
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Last year
Oh so now you tell us.
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Oh so now you tell us.
yes
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Oh so now you tell us.
yes
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Is there an echo in here?
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Is there an echo in here?
No. Tinfoil has a way of reverb, I've heard.
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No. Tinfoil has a way of reverb, I've heard.
Oh so now you tell us.
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Oh so now you tell us.
yes
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Oh so now you tell us.
yes
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Big game coming up Saturday night
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Big game coming up Saturday night
Notre Dame and Virginia Tech should be a doozy.