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Reports all over that he knew about the domestic abuse charges for a former asst. coach he denied knowing anything about previously.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio – Text messages I have obtained, an exclusive interview with the victim and other information I have learned shows Ohio State coach Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations against a member of his coaching staff.
Courtney Smith, ex-wife of fired Ohio State assistant coach Zach Smith, provided text messages between her and the wives of Ohio State coaches – including Urban Meyer’s wife, Shelley – showing Meyer’s knowledge of the situation.
Meyer said last week during Big Ten Media Days that he had no knowledge of two alleged domestic violence incidents in 2015 with former assistant wide receivers coach Zach Smith that were investigated by the Powell (Ohio) Police Department.
Meyer said had he known, he would have fired Smith in 2015 – three years before he did last week after I reported the alleged domestic violence.
“All the (coaches) wives knew,†Courtney said. “They all did. Every single one.â€
Ohio State may be in violation of Title IX, which states: discrimination on the basis of sex, can include sexual harassment, rape, and sexual assault. A college or university that receives federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its programs or activities.
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.â€
However, text messages I have obtained sent from Courtney Smith, Meyer’s wife Shelley; and other Ohio State coaches’ wives show Urban Meyer and a number of Ohio State assistant coaches were aware of Smith’s domestic violence issues for several years.
Courtney said Shelley Meyer, Urban’s wife of nearly three decades, knew about the abuse that begin in 2009, continued in 2015 and culminated with Zach Smith being served a domestic violence civil protection order last week.
Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence.
“Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,†Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.â€
Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
On Oct. 25, 2015, Courtney and Zach were separated. Zach came by her house, an argument ensued and then Courtney said he assaulted her.
“He took me and shoved me up against the wall, with his hands around my neck,†Courtney said. “Something he did very often. My (then 3-year old) daughter was clinging to my leg. It obviously registered with him what he was doing, so he took my (then 5-year old) son and left. So I called the police.â€
Since Zach had already left, Courtney told the police not to come to the house because she had to calm her daughter down and put her to bed. The police said since Zach had left, they could come out the next day or she could come by the station the next morning. The report was officially filed on Oct. 26, 2015. Zach Smith has never been convicted of domestic violence.
One 2015 text exchange between Courtney and Shelley Meyer shows the extent of Shelley’s knowledge of the alleged domestic abuse and that she was concerned for Courtney’s safety.
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares meâ€
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective orderâ€
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??â€
During Big Ten Media Days last week, Meyer was asked about the importance of wives helping coaches on and off the field, and how Shelley has impacted his coaching life.
“She’s always weighed in as my best friend and soul mate,†Urban said. “She’s been right there with everything. Especially when you’re dealing with – not who’s going to carry the ball on third down, she has an opinion on that too – we chat about people. She has a great spirit. A great love of people. Her heart is always in the right place. She’s phenomenal. Absolutely I rely on her.â€
Two weeks after the Oct. 25, 2015 incident, a Nov. 5, 2015 text exchange between Lindsey Voltolini and Courtney shows Meyer talked to Zach Smith about the incident.
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
Despite that common knowledge throughout the Woody Hayes Athletic Complex, Smith remained on Ohio State’s staff for six seasons until he was fired July 23 – only after I initially uncovered and reported earlier that day that Smith had a long history of domestic violence abuse allegations against Courtney.
Larry H. James, a Columbus attorney selected by Ohio State in 2011 as its lead counsel to represent its student athletes in NCAA investigations, said he was Zach Smith’s attorney in 2015. In November of 2015, James contacted Terry Thomas, then Courtney’s attorney, seeking information. Thomas would not reveal specifics of the conversation.
“He called me and asked ‘how bad was it?’ †Thomas said. “I said ‘it’s bad.' I assume he wanted the information so he could report this back to his client.â€
When contacted Wednesday morning, James said he did not forward any information to Ohio State because that would violate attorney-client privilege.
In 2011 James was selected by Ohio State to represent its players in Tattoo-gate, a tattoo for memorabilia tradeoff that led to the firing of beloved coach Jim Tressel.
During the 2015 call from James to Thomas, Courtney said that Zach’s attorney asked Thomas “if Zach would be a threat to the players?â€
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The first time Zach Smith allegedly physically abused his wife was June 21, 2009 in Gainesville, Fla. Courtney Smith, then 24, was 8-10 weeks pregnant.
On June 20, 2009, Florida was coming off its second national title in three seasons under Meyer. Urban and his wife threw a party before their hard-working staff members left for summer break. After the party, Courtney said she went home, while Zach went out with some buddies. Courtney said Zach returned home drunk around 3 a.m. with a female co-worker, who Zach called “baby,†pleading with Courtney to let the woman spend the night with them, according to a Gainesville police report.
Courtney said the woman was Amy Nicol, who at the time was Meyer’s secretary at Florida. For the past six years Nicol has been director of internal operations for Ohio State’s football program and a member of Meyer’s staff a total of 10 seasons. According to the police report, Zach said that night Amy “was upset from breaking up with her boyfriend†and needed a place to stay.
Courtney refused and drove Amy home. Upon returning “a heated argument ensued in the upstairs bedroom. Courtney stated she tried to get Zach out of her bed, which he refused and then forcefully grabbed her,†according to the police report.
The report said Zach Smith, then 25, “picked (Courtney) up, by grabbing her T-shirt and threw her against the bedroom wall.â€
It was the Smith’s one-year wedding anniversary.
Zach Smith, then in his fourth year on UF’s staff, was handcuffed and arrested for aggravated battery on a pregnant victim. Meyer said last week at Big Ten Media Days that in 2009 he and his wife Shelley “advised for counseling and wanted to help†the couple.
“As I do many times, most coaches and people in leadership positions, you receive a phone call,†Meyer said at Big Ten Media Days. “The first thing you do is tell your boss, let the experts do their jobs.
“We're certainly not going to investigate. It came back to me that what was reported wasn't actually what happened.â€
A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.â€
Bruce, who died in April, has a special place in Meyer’s heart. Bruce succeeded Woody Hayes at Ohio State from 1979-87, posting an 81-26-1 record in nine seasons.
“He is the strongest relationship I’ve ever had other than my father,†Meyer said last week. “I’ve made that clear many, many times.â€
Bruce and Zach’s mother drove from Ohio to Gainesville to ask Courtney to drop the charges, Courtney said. Courtney said she also received a call from de Fries to set up a meeting at Panera Bread on SW Archer Road in Gainesville.
Meyer and de Fries’ relationship goes back more than 20 years, when Meyer was an assistant at Colorado State in the 1990s. Unofficially, de Fries has been a professional life skills expert the past two decades. His official title at Ohio State: special assistant to the head coach.
In “Urban’s Way,†a 2008 book on Meyer written by Buddy Martin and authorized by Meyer, Meyer said: “Hiram is like my uncle. Hiram is my ‘chemistry coach.’ When I was a young coach, I always said I wanted to have an older guy as the chemistry coach on my staff to help us all get on the same page.â€
When asked last week how important de Fries was to the Ohio State program, senior offensive tackle Isaiah Prince said: “Having Coach Hiram around, he’s like the grandfather of the team. He’s got that wisdom. He has been here a long time and he has been through a lot. He always knows when something is wrong even when you don’t say anything. He’s a great resource to have. Everybody loves him.â€
On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.
“He said ‘if you don’t drop the charges, Zach will never coach again,’ †Courtney said. “ ‘He’s never hit you before. He was drinking. He’ll probably never do it again. You should think about giving him a second chance.’ “
Ultimately, Courtney said she relented to de Fries and didn’t press charges. Courtney had convinced herself this would never happen again.
She was wrong.
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After spending five seasons with Meyer at Florida, Zach was an assistant at Marshall in 2010 and Temple in 2011. Meyer and Smith were reunited the following season when Meyer returned to coaching at Ohio State.
“Zach Smith has already coached with me for five seasons and so I know what a quality coach he is," Meyer said when Smith was hired as Ohio State’s wide receivers coach on Dec. 22, 2011. “He knows my system inside and out and he teaches the system the way I want it to be taught.â€
Three months later, the Smith’s second child was born on March 23, 2012.
“When we came to Columbus and after I had my daughter (in 2012), things got really bad,†Courtney said. “I believed his life was spiraling out of control. He was only 28 when he got (the Ohio State job), his grandmother died. Maybe it was the stress but he was emotionally and physically abusing. Pushing me against the wall, putting his hands around my throat. There were so many instances. It’s hard to recall all of them.â€
Courtney said she left Zach on June 6, 2015 – but the violence and harassment didn’t stop, including the incident on Oct. 25, 2015 and a Nov. 9, 2015 menacing by stalking charge against Zach by the Powell Police.
On the original Oct. 26, 2015 Powell Police report, a box on the form was checked indicating Zach had been arrested. However, nearly three years later – after I reported the incident last week – the Powell Police released a revised version of the report to the media and the arrest box was no longer checked.
“The terminology used by the Police Department was different in the original report (dated 10/26/2015) and inconsistent with what actually occurred,†said Megan Canavan, director of communication for the Powell Police Department.
That same report states: “The victim reports that a domestic incident happened last night at (Courtney's) home and that she has been a victim of sustained physical abuse by the suspect.â€
On Nov. 10, 2015, Courtney was granted a restraining order against Zach.
Two days later – on Nov. 12, 2015 – after years of abuse, verbal intimidation, threats, bullying, bruised and beaten body parts, according to police reports, text messages and photos, Courtney filed for divorce.
Zach’s attorney had the Smith’s divorce documents sealed “ex parte,†without Courtney’s consent, according to an e-mail I obtained from Courtney’s attorney, shielding Zach’s alleged abuse from going public. The records were sealed Nov. 23, 2015 by Delaware County (Ohio) Common Pleas Judge Everett H. Krueger “in order to protect certain businesses and personal interests which, if published, may negatively affect (Zach Smith’s) occupation.â€
The divorce documents were unsealed and released this morning.
No one really knew the hell Courtney was going through except the authorities, family members, members of Ohio State’s coaching staff – and their wives.
“I know why nothing was done. Everyone was out to protect themselves. Zach had people that were far more powerful than I would ever be that were protecting him and for the wrong reasons. I think people that knew (about the abuse) should have helped me. Instead, they chose to enable an abuser.â€
Courtney said the text messages she received from the coaches’ wives were always supportive and sympathetic. She said Shelley Meyer was a frequent texter.
Photos that Courtney said she shared via text with other wives show bruises on Courtney’s neck and arms from beatings she suffered in 2014 and 2015. Another photo shows blood gushing out of her thumb when Zach cut her with the metal top of a smokeless tobacco can after another 2014 incident.
Courtney said during her ordeal, Shelley was always supportive. “She would constantly text me and check up on me and see how I was doing,†Courtney said.
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Back in 2009 in Gainesville, Courtney Smith needed help. She was a frightened, battered 24-year old newlywed with nowhere to turn. She was convinced by Urban Meyer’s top confidant and future “special assistant to the head coach†that there was too much at risk to press charges against Zach.
In Ohio, she found herself in a similar situation. Courtney said she called 911 “a handful of times†over the years but didn’t always pursue charges.
“I hung up out of fear because I was scared Zach would lose his job,†Courtney said. “He threw me down on the bathroom floor (in April of 2015) and screamed ‘look what you’ve turned me into.’ I don’t know what he was on. Another time, he took the top of a dip can and cut my hand. Everyone – all my family – said don’t call 911. If you do, he’ll get fired.â€
Brenda Tracy, 44, is the nation’s leading advocate in the battle against sexual and relationship violence in college football. In 1998, she was gang raped by four men, three of them were college football players. She travels the country speaking to high school and college athletes and coaches about her experiences and the ways they can work to end rape culture.
“It’s very upsetting someone with this type of violent history would have been on Ohio State’s staff that long,†Tracy said. “(His firing) should’ve happened sooner.â€
Tracy said Courtney’s fear to file charges is normal for domestic violence victims.
“In cases of domestic violence there are many things the victim has to think about,†Tracy said. “Often times there’s mental, emotional, physical and financial abuse going on. The victim may be completely dependent upon this person for housing, money and food. They may be dependent on this person to help them meet the basic needs of life for them and their children.
“Society thinks it’s simple: if he hits you, just leave. But it’s never that simple. There are many things to consider and the lack of understanding by our society about the dynamics of domestic violence makes everything even more difficult for the survivor.â€
At the time of his firing, Zach was earning $340,000 a year. Courtney had not worked since 2010 when Zach was hired as a full-time assistant at Marshall.
In September of 2015, a month before Courtney officially filed for divorce, Zach continued to send threatening text messages.
Zach texted Courtney: “The past 3 months. You were going to try to give me a chance a week ago and now, even though I have done NOTHING WRONG since then, you’re done with me. I will kill that bitch and everyone involved. For ruining my life. I am getting myself right and getting punished. F--- all of you.â€
Zach to Courtney: “Just know that now… I will find you when your out. I will come seek the douche your with. I will f--- him up to the point that no one will recognize himâ€
Despite Zach never having been convicted of any charges, on July 20, Delaware County court of pleas magistrate David J. Laughlin issued a domestic violence civil protection order against Zach.
Laughlin’s ruling said: “the court finds that (Courtney Smith) is in immediate and present danger of domestic violence and for good cause the following temporary orders are necessary to protect the persons named (Courtney Smith and her children Cameron, 8, and Quinn, 6) in this order from domestic violence.â€
Bradley Koffel, Zach Smith’s attorney, dismissed the domestic violence allegations and the recently issued five-year domestic violence civil protection order against Zach.
“OSU was put in a corner by the unfounded accusations of an ex-wife who weaponized 911 many times over the years,†Koffel told The Columbus Dispatch last week.
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In 2002, Smith walked-on to the Bowling Green football team to play for Meyer. He later followed Meyer to Florida. In all, Smith was on Meyer’s coaching staffs for 11 seasons – five at UF, six at Ohio State.
Police records in Florida and Ohio document a history of domestic violence allegations, and a trail of physical and verbal abuse, stalking and intimidation by Zach Smith, 34. He spent nearly one-third of his life working for Meyer, one of the most successful and powerful football coaches of all-time.
Until Smith was fired last week, he was the only remaining assistant from Meyer’s first staff at Ohio State after Meyer took over in 2012.
In April, Meyer received a contract extension from Ohio State through Jan. 31, 2023 that will pay him an average of $8.49 million per year over the life of the five-year contract. He is the nation’s second highest paid coach, behind Alabama’s Nick Saban.
Meyer has won a total of three national titles at two different schools and one of only four coaches in college football history to do so. Yet, Meyer proudly states his on field success with the Buckeyes is matched only by the team’s off-the-field “core values.â€
In the Woody Hayes Athletic Complex, emblazoned on the wall, are Meyer’s five core values. Among the five – in ALL CAPS – is “TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECTâ€
“The core values is something that – there’s a difference between a mistake and a core value,†Meyer said last week at Big Ten media days. “When I was six years old, I was sat down by my father and it was explained to me about what core values are and what mistakes are. Mistakes are correctible. Core values are who you are.â€
So why would a coach at the top of his profession, jeopardize his entire career and legacy – and ignore his core values – because of a sense of loyalty to former mentor Earle Bruce?
“Zach once told me,†said Courtney, “if he ever got fired and this all comes out: ‘I’ll take everyone at Ohio State down with me.’ â€
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I'm sensing another heart attack coming on.
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Don’t think this touches him. Don’t think it should. Don’t think the assistant should have been canned.
All you’ve got are unsubstantiated allegations and claims that the ex wife aired her personal laundry with Meyer’s wife.
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Damn, that's not good.
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Don’t think this touches him. Don’t think it should.
I think it does affect him, I agree that I'm not sure if it should (*caveat).
Don’t think the assistant should have been canned.
The assistant at the very least needs to be put on administrative leave pending an investigation.
All you’ve got are unsubstantiated allegations and claims that the ex wife aired her personal laundry with Meyer’s wife.
I wouldn't say they are unsubstantiated if she has police reports and pictures. Whether or not Meyer knew about them is another story.
I know what you are getting at you don't like that the women have all the power and can tarnish someone's reputation, however, in this case there appears to be evidence.
You are also looking at it from a business owner perspective, you can't be held responsible for your employee's actions. If your employee is beating his wife that's none of your business. I get it. Problem is that domestic abuse more often than not spills over into the workplace and as stated in the article as an employee of a public institution the coach falls under the title IX standards.
*Meyer himself may or may not have an issue depending on who he lied/told the truth too. If he had said that they were aware of the issue and were trying to get the coach help that's one thing. Meyer is also a public figure. One that is looked upon, it's similar in theory to Joe Pa and Sandusky, every right Joe Pa ever did was undone with Sandusky. Again did he know or not? As a public figure, unfortunately, it doesn't matter. Right or wrong the public holds most of these folks jobs determined upon the court of public opinion, Urban is also held under the standards of title IX. Again right or wrong Urban could be in serious hot water based on how much heat the university catches.
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Meyer has never done any "right" to be undone by this. Fuck that guy.
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Meyer has never done any "right" to be undone by this. Fuck that guy.
I don't disagree, I think he is a snake and hope they fire him. Fuck him.
I was looking at it from a purely unbiased position. Or even if it were Gus...wait can we fire Gus? It's an interesting argument.
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I don't disagree, I think he is a snake and hope they fire him. fudge him.
I was looking at it from a purely unbiased position. Or even if it were Gus...wait can we fire Gus? It's an interesting argument.
Are we sure Gus wasn't in on that group chat?
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Also...it's always the cover up that gets you.
He shouldn't have publicly lied about when he became aware of the allegations. He won't go down because of anything between the Smiths...but because of his own stupid lying.
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Also...it's always the cover up that gets you.
He shouldn't have publicly lied about when he became aware of the allegations. He won't go down because of anything between the Smiths...but because of his own stupid lying.
I confess that I didnt read that entire billboard of text. Only scanned it.
I guess that’s what I’m getting at in terms of it not touching him. To whom did he exactly lie? I didn’t see an offense. Lie to some assbag “journalist†in a press conference? Who cares
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I confess that I didnt read that entire billboard of text. Only scanned it.
I guess that’s what I’m getting at in terms of it not touching him. To whom did he exactly lie? I didn’t see an offense. Lie to some assbag “journalist†in a press conference? Who cares
Presumably he lied to the OSU admin when bringing his staff in, but yes he lied to a reporter (or a room full of them). That's a problem.
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Presumably he lied to the OSU admin when bringing his staff in, but yes he lied to a reporter (or a room full of them). That's a problem.
Not to me. Zero problem.
Saban lies every week. Hell, Gus told us repeatedly that Jeremy Johnson would start at every other SEC school. Was that true?
I also dont see how a one time incident years before that occurred during a contnetious divorce and wasn’t truly substantiated should follow a guy forever no matter how bad his bitter ex wants to hurt him.
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Not to me. Zero problem.
Saban lies every week. Hell, Gus told us repeatedly that Jeremy Johnson would start at every other SEC school. Was that true?
I also dont see how a one time incident years before that occurred during a contnetious divorce and wasn’t truly substantiated should follow a guy forever no matter how bad his bitter ex wants to hurt him.
From the AD's standpoint, I see a big problem. Your coach...the face of your program...is now a demonstrable liar. You cannot trust anything that comes from his mouth. That impacts all administrative facets of his program and, maybe worse, recruiting.
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From the AD's standpoint, I see a big problem. Your coach...the face of your program...is now a demonstrable liar. You cannot trust anything that comes from his mouth. That impacts all administrative facets of his program and, maybe worse, recruiting.
Yep. And on another note, this could wind up being another huge black eye for the Big 10. In the pecking order of offenses, domestic violence has vaulted to or near the top in the public's eye. Not saying these allegations aren't true, they look to me like they are. But truth isn't always at the core here. If you're in Meyer's position and you get even a whiff of something like this going on, and it looks like you did nada? The administration at tOSU is probably going to scapegoat the shit out of ole Burrban.
So, you have Sandusky at PSU. The team doc rapin' err'body up in here at MSU. And now Urban ignoring an assistant coach goin' all upside Charlene's head. At least, that's the perception.
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And..Meyer on admin leave.
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Yup, the coverup and lie is usually what gets you.
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Yup, the coverup and lie is usually what gets you.
Aaaand on cue....the political shit spills over into the football forum...again. Wes, gotcher back.
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From the AD's standpoint, I see a big problem. Your coach...the face of your program...is now a demonstrable liar. You cannot trust anything that comes from his mouth. That impacts all administrative facets of his program and, maybe worse, recruiting.
I freely admit that I haven't had time to read through every line of this stuff today. All I know is what I've seen in bits and pieces on TV and what I heard on the radio.
I still don't see the "lie." What has he demonstrated? We don't KNOW that he knew anything. I do know that I've seen a bitter divorcee coming after her ex's ass and flaming anybody in his arc.
There was an incident in 2009 that he addressed with them supposedly and in which charges were dismissed. What's he supposed to do? Banish the guy forever because of an allegation that never went anywhere? Tarnish him in his new job?
Then something happened in May of this year. They looked into it and apparently the guy was canned after that was looked into.
The ex now saying "he knew" means nothing.
I'm probably wrong and they'll use his burned corpse to dot the I at Homecoming. But I just don't see the scandal here. I think it's going to go away.
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I freely admit that I haven't had time to read through every line of this stuff today. All I know is what I've seen in bits and pieces on TV and what I heard on the radio.
I still don't see the "lie." What has he demonstrated? We don't KNOW that he knew anything. I do know that I've seen a bitter divorcee coming after her ex's ass and flaming anybody in his arc.
There was an incident in 2009 that he addressed with them supposedly and in which charges were dismissed. What's he supposed to do? Banish the guy forever because of an allegation that never went anywhere? Tarnish him in his new job?
Then something happened in May of this year. They looked into it and apparently the guy was canned after that was looked into.
The ex now saying "he knew" means nothing.
I'm probably wrong and they'll use his burned corpse to dot the I at Homecoming. But I just don't see the scandal here. I think it's going to go away.
Urban is done. This Assistant beat the shit out of his wife and this lying piece of shit (Urban) knew about it and did nada, just to avoid any shade on his program. Fuck him. He knows damn well what Title IX is all about. From a professional and personal level, he's garbage. I talked to a father whose son signed with Boston College. They were life long Buckeye fans. His son went for a visit with his dad and the father told me he wouldn't piss on that bitch if he was on fire. Said Meyer was a A-1 son of a bitch.
He knew. His wife knew. He's done. Good riddance.
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Urban is done. This Assistant beat the shit out of his wife and this lying piece of shit (Urban) knew about it and did nada, just to avoid any shade on his program. Fuck him. He knows damn well what Title IX is all about. From a professional and personal level, he's garbage. I talked to a father whose son signed with Boston College. They were life long Buckeye fans. His son went for a visit with his dad and the father told me he wouldn't piss on that bitch if he was on fire. Said Meyer was a A-1 son of a bitch.
He knew. His wife knew. He's done. Good riddance.
Aaaaand on que the political shit shows up again...take the golden showers back to the political forum.
But yeah, Urban Meyer is probably done.
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Aaaaand on que the political shit shows up again...take the golden showers back to the political forum.
But yeah, Urban Meyer is probably done.
What?
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What?
His shitty attempt at keeping his lunatic theories alive via piss poor comedy.
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I freely admit that I haven't had time to read through every line of this stuff today. ...
I still don't see the "lie."
Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence. “Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,†Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.†Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
Text exchange between Smith and Meyer:
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares meâ€
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective orderâ€
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??â€
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
At Big X media days:
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.â€
Those are the highlights. He knew and he lied. But you keep on pontificating without reading.
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I freely admit that I haven't had time to read through every line of this stuff today. All I know is what I've seen in bits and pieces on TV and what I heard on the radio.
I still don't see the "lie." What has he demonstrated? We don't KNOW that he knew anything. I do know that I've seen a bitter divorcee coming after her ex's ass and flaming anybody in his arc.
There was an incident in 2009 that he addressed with them supposedly and in which charges were dismissed. What's he supposed to do? Banish the guy forever because of an allegation that never went anywhere? Tarnish him in his new job?
Then something happened in May of this year. They looked into it and apparently the guy was canned after that was looked into.
The ex now saying "he knew" means nothing.
I'm probably wrong and they'll use his burned corpse to dot the I at Homecoming. But I just don't see the scandal here. I think it's going to go away.
You probably need to read it all. The 2009 incident was the beginning. She said she was talked out of pressing charges, by some of Meyer's top people. Meyer knew about 2009, he admits that. It was ongoing from that point it came to a head in 2015 when he tried to choke her out and threw her up against a wall (that's what she has pictures of including a 2014 picture where she claims he cut her with the top of a tobacco can) in front of their 3 and 5 year old. That's when she divorced him in 2015. Between all those times she was texting the coaches wives about the abuse and sending pictures asking for help/and or advice. Shelley Meyer who also works for OSU (also under title IX) said she was going to tell Urban about the 2015 incident. (She has all of those text messages, as well as the ones from her husband threatening her)
What happened in July of this year is that based on her evidence the Judge issued a domestic violence civil protection order against him. That's when Urban fired him.
The problem is Urban claims he didn't know about anything after the 2009 incident. At the very minimum (if you believe the girl, which after reading everything I believe her myself) his wife knew. So you have to ask yourself if his wife told him or not? I don't buy it. I am all against witch hunting and allegations, but there is no way if Shelley Meyer knew, Urban didn't.
So he did nothing about it, then lied about, basically called out and questioned the reporter's ethics (which isn't really smart to do with the guy who has the microphone) and he has a track record for being lenient on not only domestic abuse but criminals. Remember this is the guy who had like 32 UF players arrested while under his watch, who coached A-Aron Hernandez. He is a piece of shit.
He's gone IMO.
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Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence. “Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,†Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.†Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
Text exchange between Smith and Meyer:
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares meâ€
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective orderâ€
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??â€
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
At Big X media days:
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.â€
Those are the highlights. He knew and he lied. But you keep on pontificating without reading.
He also called out McMurphy and questioned the girls story.
He honestly would have been better off saying "Zach has been let go, everything prior to the Judge's issuance was a domestic issue between a husband and wife, and there were no criminal charges placed against Zach. I hope he gets this straightened out and wish him luck."
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He also called out McMurphy and questioned the girls story.
He honestly would have been better of saying "Zach has been let go, everything prior to the Judge's issuance was a domestic issue between a husband and wife, and there were no criminal charges placed against Zach. I hope he gets this straightened out and wish him luck."
Aaaaand on que the political shit shows up again...take the golden showers back to the political forum.
Wait.....what?
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What?
Good grief.
You do realize there is an ongoing investigation.
Do your research before pecking at your keyboard. SMH.
#micdrop
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He also called out McMurphy and questioned the girls story.
He honestly would have been better of saying "Zach has been let go, everything prior to the Judge's issuance was a domestic issue between a husband and wife, and there were no criminal charges placed against Zach. I hope he gets this straightened out and wish him luck."
That's all it would have taken. Dumbshit says dumbshit things and is gonna get canned instead.
Also, I think you can take from the text messages that Urban actually knew (rather than assuming that Shelley would have told him.)
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Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence. “Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,†Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.†Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
Text exchange between Smith and Meyer:
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares meâ€
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective orderâ€
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??â€
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
At Big X media days:
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.â€
Those are the highlights. He knew and he lied. But you keep on pontificating without reading.
Serious question here though about wording and language. The names were added in for effect (Urban) (Zach). Does one wife saying "He just said he denied everything" really prove anything?
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The problem is Urban claims he didn't know about anything after the 2009 incident. At the very minimum (if you believe the girl, which after reading everything I believe her myself) his wife knew. So you have to ask yourself if his wife told him or not? I don't buy it. I am all against witch hunting and allegations, but there is no way if Shelley Meyer knew, Urban didn't.
But that is an assumption. I can't stand Meyer, but this convicting and throwing people out the window without a trial is getting out of hand.
If the guy had been convicted of a crime, then Meyer could be culpable. But like someone said before, that s a personal issue that needs to be resolved. My boss ain't my daddy.
And this chick hung around and took all that abuse and her only out was to text the other wives? And that is on Meyer how?
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Serious question here though about wording and language. The names were added in for effect (Urban) (Zach). Does one wife saying "He just said he denied everything" really prove anything?
That's an editorial addition so that a lengthy text-thread could be condensed to highlight the pertinent parts. Yes, it proves something.
But that is an assumption. I can't stand Meyer, but this convicting and throwing people out the window without a trial is getting out of hand.
If the guy had been convicted of a crime, then Meyer could be culpable. But like someone said before, that s a personal issue that needs to be resolved. My boss ain't my daddy.
And this chick hung around and took all that abuse and her only out was to text the other wives? And that is on Meyer how?
Meyer (and Shelley) have responsibilities under Title IX (as OSU employees) to report anything that might implicate the program in the violations (like a coach beating his wife.) They failed to even start the process as required. Then lied about it.
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That's an editorial addition so that a lengthy text-thread could be condensed to highlight the pertinent parts. Yes, it proves something.
Meyer (and Shelley) have responsibilities under Title IX (as OSU employees) to report anything that might implicate the program in the violations (like a coach beating his wife.) They failed to even start the process as required. Then lied about it.
Is his wife an employee also?
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Is his wife an employee also?
Yes.
Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
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But that is an assumption. I can't stand Meyer, but this convicting and throwing people out the window without a trial is getting out of hand.
If the guy had been convicted of a crime, then Meyer could be culpable. But like someone said before, that s a personal issue that needs to be resolved. My boss ain't my daddy.
And this chick hung around and took all that abuse and her only out was to text the other wives? And that is on Meyer how?
Exactly where I am on it
I don't like the guy at all. He's a an asshat in cfb.
But trial by media/social media and message board based off some details with 0 context has gone overboard. Everyone wants a boogie man. Everyone wants to hang said boogie man in the town square.
Im not even saying the guy is innocent. To me at most he lied to the press and maybe his boss. He was not complicent in a crime. It may cost him job because he lied and that may be part of his contract and the title 9 standards are at play but this isn't the crazy shocking nationwide scandal the media is making it.
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To me at most he lied to the press and maybe his boss.
He's bound by Title IX to report these things though. He didn't and then lied about it.
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Yes.
So basically her responsibility was to tell the school, not Meyer.
So she is in breach of contract, not Meyer.
There is no way you can prove Meyer knew just because his wife knew.
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He's bound by Title IX to report these things though. He didn't and then lied about it.
And in the process potentially exposed his employer to liability for a civil suit.
So...yeah. Fireable.
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So basically her responsibility was to tell the school, not Meyer.
So she is in breach of contract, not Meyer.
There is no way you can prove Meyer knew just because his wife knew.
The texts certainly suggest that he did. Thus, admin leave and investigation.
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But that is an assumption. I can't stand Meyer, but this convicting and throwing people out the window without a trial is getting out of hand.
If the guy had been convicted of a crime, then Meyer could be culpable. But like someone said before, that s a personal issue that needs to be resolved. My boss ain't my daddy.
And this chick hung around and took all that abuse and her only out was to text the other wives? And that is on Meyer how?
I'm with you, and thus he wasn't fired but placed on leave like Wes said. I said it was an assumption on my part, however, Urban is basically throwing his wife under the bus if he says she never told him.
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He's bound by Title IX to report these things though. He didn't and then lied about it.
Thanks for repeating what I said.
I don't deny the title IX part and don't deny he lied.
We just disagree on the stature of it all. Sorry this isn't joe pa at penn state like everyone wants it to be.
You guys enjoy your witch hunt with the media dweebs.
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Exactly where I am on it
I don't like the guy at all. He's a an asshat in cfb.
But trial by media/social media and message board based off some details with 0 context has gone overboard. Everyone wants a boogie man. Everyone wants to hang said boogie man in the town square.
Im not even saying the guy is innocent. To me at most he lied to the press and maybe his boss. He was not complicent in a crime. It may cost him job because he lied and that may be part of his contract and the title 9 standards are at play but this isn't the crazy shocking nationwide scandal the media is making it.
No, not a scandal, but Urban Meyer is as big a public figure in the sports world as Lord Saybinz. He knows full well that his job requires...no...demands that he come forward if he even thinks there is a hint of something like this going on with one of the University's employees. Title 9 has been stretched beyond belief to cover every possible scenario that I don't believe it was originally designed to be applied to. But this man knows it. He's working under it. He's taking untold millions while doing it. If you get word that one of your coaches is alleged to be beating the shit out of his wife, you pick up the phone and call administration and tell them what you know. End of story. If you don't and then lie about it later. You gone. Not a scandal, but a HUGE story in the sports world.
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crazy shocking nationwide scandal the media is making it.
It is only because of who it involves.
Right now we are putting together a case against Saban for the emotional scars he has placed on Buzz.
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Courtney said she and Shelley often discussed Zach’s domestic violence. “Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,†Courtney said. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.†Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
Text exchange between Smith and Meyer:
Shelley: “I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don’t blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares meâ€
Courtney: “Restraining orders don’t do anything in Ohio-I tried to get protection order which is what started this whole investigation. And that should go through soon finally. It’s hard bc you have to prove immediate danger. Legal system is tough. Basically you have to prove he will kill u to get protective orderâ€
Shelley: “Geesh! Even w the pics? Didn’t law enforcement come to your place ever??â€
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
At Big X media days:
When asked specifically if he knew of the domestic violence incidents with Zach Smith, or if he had been told of them, Meyer said, “I was never told about anything. Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it. I asked people back at the office to call and see what happened, and they came back and said they know nothing.â€
Those are the highlights. He knew and he lied. But you keep on pontificating without reading.
How about you jam that condescension up your ass?
You posted a whole bunch of crap that indicates his wife possibly knew.
Doesn’t mean he did, that he knew the extent or that he covered anything up.
But you keep on extrapolating.
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If you get word that one of your coaches is alleged to be beating the shit out of his wife, you pick up the phone and call administration and tell them what you know. End of story. If you don't and then lie about it later. You gone. Not a scandal, but a HUGE story in the sports world.
No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.
You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.
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No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.
You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.
You do if you are bound by Title IX
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No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.
You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.
Title 9 says you do. That's what he's working under. I'm not under Title 9 and neither are you. You report it and let administration look into it. That simple.
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No you don't. You wouldn't have a staff if you believed EVERY accusation thrown at them.
You may address it with your employee and inform them that any public transgression could lead to administrative action, but you can't be judge and jury on every rumor. Nobody would ever work for you. If the allegations are not true, then you have ruined a man's career over rumors.
You don't have to believe it. You just have a duty to report it and let the process* take its course.
*TM- Nick Saban, aight.
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You do if you are bound by Title IX
I said it better. Just later.
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Bottom line is if he knew and didn't kick the can upstairs to the boardroom he is fucked and I'm glad he is for multiple reasons.
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Title 9 says you do. That's what he's working under. I'm not under Title 9 and neither are you. You report it and let administration look into it. That simple.
Report what?
A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy?
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Bottom line is if he knew and didn't kick the can upstairs to the boardroom he is fucked and I'm glad he is for multiple reasons.
Succinct...give this man a beer.
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Are we 100% sure Ms. Terry wasn't in on these text messages too?
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Report what?
A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy?
The little evidence available amounts to much more than a rumor. But even if that's all it was:
Yeah, actually.
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Thanks for repeating what I said.
I don't deny the title IX part and don't deny he lied.
We just disagree on the stature of it all. Sorry this isn't joe pa at penn state like everyone wants it to be.
You guys enjoy your witch hunt with the media dweebs.
I don't care either way, although I hate Meyer so yeah I hope they fire him, but that's just because I want to laugh.
Why is it important what Meyer did or didn't do?
Here's why. Liability = $$$$
I don't think anyone here is comparing it to Penn State, I did only in the fact that both coaches said they didn't know and it was more a matter of public opinion that condemened them. Again right or wrong that's the way the world works today.
But I'm not quite sure I understand what your stance is, you're bothered by the fact that this is a big news story? or that he was placed on administrative leave?
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The little evidence available amounts to much more than a rumor. But even if that's all it was:
Yeah, actually.
And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics.
I didnt know you lived in Ohio.
Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for.
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Report what?
A rumor when the wife is staying with the guy?
Now I'm with you 95% of the time but we disagree here. You are smart enough to know that most abused women stay with their men, either because they are scared, still love them, or don't know what else to do. She has quite a bit of evidence against him.
IMO Beating women is one of the most cowardice, piece of shit thing you can do, and in front of your kids. You have daughters come on. I know you like to take the anti-stance but really.
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And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics.
I didnt know you lived in Ohio.
Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for.
Goddamn, it's like you're not even reading.
My personal opinion (colored by my dislike of Urb) is that he knew and should be fired post haste.
My more reasoned opinion is that he (and Shelley) obviously failed to comply with their requirements under Title IX to refer the matter/rumor to the admin and let them investigate. Then he lied about knowledge that he appears to have had.
He admittedly KNEW in 2009...so when the allegations resurfaced in 2015, he should have made a call to OSU admin immediately.
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IMO Beating women is one of the most cowardice, piece of shit thing you can do, and in front of your kids. You have daughters come on. I know you like to take the anti-stance but really.
Allegedly. Until the proof goes to the authorities, its just rumor. We either convict by law, or we convict by feelings. Can't do both. Pick one.
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And you were in the room and are absolutely certain Urban knew the extent and/or specifics.
I didnt know you lived in Ohio.
Damn you for making me defend urban, a man I hold nothing but contempt for.
You are playing coy to play coy. Not that Wes needs me to defend him, but you knew Wes was talking about the "rumors" as you called them meaning the actual beating of the girl herself. Not whether or not Meyer knew.
Look it's actually simple.
Wife alleged beating between the years 2009-15
Judge Rules and places order against Husband
Husband Fired
Wife claims Shelley Meyer knew has text messages.
No one did anything...no one did anything in 2009 either. (again bound by title ix)
So Urban or Shelley someone in the Meyer family is going down....and not for Colonel Angus.
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Allegedly. Until the proof goes to the authorities, its just rumor. We either convict by law, or we convict by feelings. Can't do both. Pick one.
You're arguing legal/judicial standards in an administrative environment. They aren't (and shouldn't be) the same.
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Allegedly. Until the proof goes to the authorities, its just rumor. We either convict by law, or we convict by feelings. Can't do both. Pick one.
Not when a Judge files a domestic violence civil protection order.
the issuance of the order is cause for serious concern—it means that a judge has at least tentatively found that Courtney Smith is in immediate and present danger of violence and that such an order is necessary to protect her and her two children (the Smiths have two children, one is eight years old and the other is six) from Zach Smith.
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So Urban or Shelley someone in the Meyer family is going down....and not for Colonel Angus.
But everyone already has urban convicted because his wife knew!
Doesn't the law expect definitive PROOF that he knew?
I can't stand the guy, but we have to stop throwing the wrong people under the bus. The POS beat his wife, go after him full on. But don't blame those around him for not knowing fully or addressing it.
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Not when a Judge files a domestic violence civil protection order.
the issuance of the order is cause for serious concern—it means that a judge has at least tentatively found that Courtney Smith is in immediate and present danger of violence and that such an order is necessary to protect her and her two children (the Smiths have two children, one is eight years old and the other is six) from Zach Smith.
And when the order was filed, didn't the guy get fired!
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Colonel Angus.
Colonel Angus is an acquired taste.
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Now I'm with you 95% of the time but we disagree here. You are smart enough to know that most abused women stay with their men, either because they are scared, still love them, or don't know what else to do. She has quite a bit of evidence against him.
IMO Beating women is one of the most cowardice, piece of shit thing you can do, and in front of your kids. You have daughters come on. I know you like to take the anti-stance but really.
Not taking the anti stance.
My only problem is with the rush to judgment. Do we KNOW the guy cut her with a Skoal can? I cut my hand on a paint scraper Monday. Maybe I should send you a photo and say Wes stabbed me with just ascot clasp. Proof?
I’m not defending abuse. Im only saying that I don’t want to see the man’s career trashed — too late for that now — unless there is some actionable verified offense.
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But everyone already has urban convicted because his wife knew!
Doesn't the law expect definitive PROOF that he knew?
I can't stand the guy, but we have to stop throwing the wrong people under the bus. The POS beat his wife, go after him full on. But don't blame those around him for not knowing fully or addressing it.
Yes we the people in this forum and not OSU fans who have no control over Meyer or his firing have him convicted because we dislike him.
Remember, He hasn't been fired, they are investigating it. So if he has done nothing wrong he will retain his job right?
I can't stand the guy, but we have to stop throwing the wrong people under the bus. The POS beat his wife, go after him full on. But don't blame those around him for not knowing fully or addressing it.
I'm gonna be a smart ass here so fair warning. Let's not blame the guy who witnessed a murder and did nothing about it. Not his problem. Yes I know I'm being overly dramatic. However, my point is you can't preach family values on one end and then dismiss them on the other. Do we as a society not need to protect those that can't protect themselves. Just my humble opinion.
In reality, again we are talking about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and reputation and that's what Ohio State is concerned about.
I want to ask a question:
Say, you are a business owner your employee beats the shit out of his wife. You find out about it he is your best employee what do you do?
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Not taking the anti stance.
My only problem is with the rush to judgment. Do we KNOW the guy cut her with a Skoal can? I cut my hand on a paint scraper Monday. Maybe I should send you a photo and say Wes stabbed me with just ascot clasp. Proof?
I’m not defending abuse. Im only saying that I don’t want to see the man’s career trashed — too late for that now — unless there is some actionable verified offense.
Correct but when it happens multiple times over multiple years? At some point you have to believe people, no?!?
There were some pretty serious choke marks on her neck that were in the pictures as well. Again your daughter comes to you and says her husband beat her, you are just going to assume she is lying? What was the end game? In 2009 when she claims it happened they were newly married? She planned this elaborate ruse from the start?
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Correct but when it happens multiple times over multiple years? At some point you have to believe people, no?!?
There were some pretty serious choke marks on her neck that were in the pictures as well. Again your daughter comes to you and says her husband beat her, you are just going to assume she is lying? What was the end game? In 2009 when she claims it happened they were newly married? She planned this elaborate ruse from the start?
Courtney Smith is not Urban’s daughter.
Were those photos provided to him? Haven’t seen evidence they were.
I don’t like him either. I also don’t like hindsight “gotcha†attacks.
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Courtney Smith is not Urban’s daughter.
Yes but Urban knew about what happened in 2009. My point is/was why do you automatically assume that the girl who has the bruises is the liar?
She withdrew the charges in 2009, based on advice from Urban's top people. You are also smart enough to know that most abuse victims also withdraw charges or never file them because ...they are scared, still love him, he won't do it again....
What you and CCTAU are twisting is that they were all bound by Title IX to report it and no one did that. It isn't on them to decide what they should and shouldn't report, they are under contract to report it. If he had done what he should have we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Were those photos provided to him? Haven’t seen evidence they were.
Again placed on administrative leave not fired.
Like I said earlier, someone in the Meyer family is taking a fall. It might not be Urban, in fact now that I think about I'm changing my I think he is gone stance.
Anyone want to bet, Shelly Meyer comes forward says she never shared the story with Urban and takes the fall and is fired and Urban is reinstated.
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Yes but Urban knew about what happened in 2009. My point is/was why do you automatically assume that the girl who has the bruises is the liar?
She withdrew the charges in 2009, based on advice from Urban's top people. You are also smart enough to know that most abuse victims also withdraw charges or never file them because ...they are scared, still love him, he won't do it again....
What you and CCTAU are twisting is that they were all bound by Title IX to report it and no one did that. It isn't on them to decide what they should and shouldn't report, they are under contract to report it. If he had done what he should have we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Sense. Ur makin' it.
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Look, one thing we can all agree on is they like butt fucking little kids at Penn State.
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Yes but Urban knew about what happened in 2009. My point is/was why do you automatically assume that the girl who has the bruises is the liar?
She withdrew the charges in 2009, based on advice from Urban's top people. You are also smart enough to know that most abuse victims also withdraw charges or never file them because ...they are scared, still love him, he won't do it again....
What you and CCTAU are twisting is that they were all bound by Title IX to report it and no one did that. It isn't on them to decide what they should and shouldn't report, they are under contract to report it. If he had done what he should have we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Not assuming she is lying. Only saying it’s a possibility. It’s happened before.
Also not assuming the depth of his knowledge. Yet to see anything that definitively proves Urban was aware of any pattern.
That’s all.
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I want to ask a question:
Say, you are a business owner your employee beats the shoot out of his wife. You find out about it he is your best employee what do you do?
You tell him you know and blackmail his ass to do even more work for your company so you can make billions, duh.
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Not assuming she is lying. Only saying it’s a possibility. It’s happened before.
Totally, It is a possibility. I would assume, however, that most don't have picture evidence. I would also assume that most are in order to get big money. This girls husband when she made the claim in 2009 was earning $200,000 now while not pocket change (except for Snags, the VP, and Jarhead) is not let's create a major plot/lie to take my husband for his money.
Secondly, and more importantly, it was enough for a judge to place the order that he did. So again, I tend to believe the girl. Now he has a right to defend himself and that hearing is tomorrow so if the Judge lifts the order maybe she is lying.
Also not assuming the depth of his knowledge. Yet to see anything that definitively proves Urban was aware of any pattern.
True, I have assumed the depth of his knowledge I openly admit that. However, the people that make the decision haven't, so that argument doesn't really matter.
Again it always comes down to cover up. No one did anything. If Meyer didn't know ok. But several coaches wives did, including the HC wife.
No one reported anything, told Meyer anything? So the HC is the big man in charge... finger on everything but no one told him. (This where I again liken it to the PSU thing) as much as these football coaches control these programs especially someone like Meyer...and he didn't know?
Someone did and they didn't do what was right. So maybe Meyer didn't know but he should have. Claiming you don't know is not a viable defense when you are the man in charge.
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I repost what was reposted earlier by someone who reposted it. Emphasis all Tarheel's.
Two weeks after the Oct. 25, 2015 incident, a Nov. 5, 2015 text exchange between Lindsey Voltolini and Courtney shows Meyer talked to Zach Smith about the incident.
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
This is not Courtney claiming Urban knew. This is another coach's wife who would have zero reason to lie about it.
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Totally, It is a possibility. I would assume, however, that most don't have picture evidence. I would also assume that most are in order to get big money. This girls husband when she made the claim in 2009 was earning $200,000 now while not pocket change (except for Snags, the VP, and Jarhead) is not let's create a major plot/lie to take my husband for his money.
Secondly, and more importantly, it was enough for a judge to place the order that he did. So again, I tend to believe the girl. Now he has a right to defend himself and that hearing is tomorrow so if the Judge lifts the order maybe she is lying.
True, I have assumed the depth of his knowledge I openly admit that. However, the people that make the decision haven't, so that argument doesn't really matter.
Again it always comes down to cover up. No one did anything. If Meyer didn't know ok. But several coaches wives did, including the HC wife.
No one reported anything, told Meyer anything? So the HC is the big man in charge... finger on everything but no one told him. (This where I again liken it to the PSU thing) as much as these football coaches control these programs especially someone like Meyer...and he didn't know?
Someone did and they didn't do what was right. So maybe Meyer didn't know but he should have. Claiming you don't know is not a viable defense when you are the man in charge.
I find it easier to believe that he didn’t know or at least didn’t know the full extent than I do that he knew it all and tried to keep it buried.
Having been married to someone who created an alternate reality and regularly complained to friends and family about things that were not happening, maybe I’m inclined to give some leeway until its proven.
I can believe he was told the guy was having problems with his wife. I can believe he met with the guy and told him he needed to get his act together.
But to stretch it all the way to “the dirty dog knew he was beating his wife and didn’t do anything†pushes the limit of credulity.
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I repost what was reposted earlier by someone who reposted it. Emphasis all Tarheel's.
Two weeks after the Oct. 25, 2015 incident, a Nov. 5, 2015 text exchange between Lindsey Voltolini and Courtney shows Meyer talked to Zach Smith about the incident.
Lindsey is the wife of Brian Voltolini, considered one of Meyer’s most loyal staff members. Brian is Ohio State’s football operations director and has been part of Meyer’s staffs for 15 seasons at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)â€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everythingâ€
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than thatâ€
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to thinkâ€
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya knowâ€
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urbâ€
This is not Courtney claiming Urban knew. This is another coach's wife who would have zero reason to lie about it.
No.
This is a fourth party making claims about a conversation to which she was not a party and of which she could have no verifiable knowledge.
It’s an offhand remark. Could have been made because she was sick of being put in the middle of their drama.
It is proof of nothing.
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Having been married to someone who created an alternate reality and regularly complained to friends and family about things that were not happening, maybe I’m inclined to give some leeway until its proven.
I get that totally do. I have friends who have had similar run-in with their ex's involving accusations regarding their kids that never happened. Stuff that is bad even trying to manipulate the kid.
But in every one of those instances, the Dad came out victorious because they had proof to the contrary. At this point I don't see it. Again you haven't read it all but Zach admitted he had a problem in 2009 even said he was "killing it in counseling" which is an odd way to put it but I digress. So the burden of proof is more on him than it is on her...when all signs point to him.
I find it easier to believe that he didn’t know or at least didn’t know the full extent than I do that he knew it all and tried to keep it buried.
I can believe he was told the guy was having problems with his wife. I can believe he met with the guy and told him he needed to get his act together.
But to stretch it all the way to “the dirty dog knew he was beating his wife and didn’t do anything†pushes the limit of credulity.
See I'm the complete opposite stance on that. My wife tells me everything even stuff she has told others she wasn't going to. (sorry Nook, don't worry buddy everyone says that it gets smaller as they age). I find it harder to believe that a guy with saban control over his program, his coaches, his players doesn't know everything.
I don't think he tried to keep it buried, to him I just don't think he cared or thought that it affected him in any way it wasn't football. This was his longtime boy his buddy, loyal dog, he was going to be loyal back to him. Think of all these coaches that do wrong shit, they do it because they think they are above it. It's the god complex.
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Look, one thing we can all agree on is they like butt fudgeing little kids at Penn State.
And they love to slapaho in acorn land.
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Back when I first started in practice, I was taking on appointed criminal defense work. My very first trial was a Domestic Violence case. I won, not because of my mad trial skillz, but because the accusations were so blatantly false that I couldn't believe they even arrested the guy in the first place. Having said that though, what I found in a lot of those cases where it was clearly a matter of the guy whipping that ass, by the time it got to trial, the spouse refused to cooperate anymore. Didn't want to go through with it.
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And they love to slapaho in acorn land.
I think that is a tribe of indians about to get a casino
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One more thing let's say that Shelly never told Urban. The incident in 2009 was pretty open because the husband went to rehab. His wife was putting the message out to several coaches wives. None of those wives told their coach husband? Again I find that harder to believe, women love to talk about that shit. Honey, guess what I heard.
So coach doesn't say hey Urban you know who got in trouble for beating his wife in 09, yeah well he's at it again. Again even if Meyer didn't know the extent of the beating at a minimum should have reported to Title IX and didn't.
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Went home at lunch and Outside the Lines was on. Finebaum was being interviewed and one of the first things out of his mouth was, "The one thing we've learned from this so far is that Urban Meyer is a fraud."
Damn. I can say it on this message board, but that's a little ballsy. And I know balls.
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One more thing let's say that Shelly never told Urban. The incident in 2009 was pretty open because the husband went to rehab. His wife was putting the message out to several coaches wives. None of those wives told their coach husband? Again I find that harder to believe, women love to talk about that shit. Honey, guess what I heard.
So coach doesn't say hey Urban you know who got in trouble for beating his wife in 09, yeah well he's at it again. Again even if Meyer didn't know the extent of the beating at a minimum should have reported to Title IX and didn't.
So he knew about 09. That was resolved.
Still can’t prove that he knew the extent of anything after that until charges were filed and the guy got fired
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And the hits just keep on coming for poor 'ol Urb.
https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1025059296843898880 (https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1025059296843898880)
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So he knew about 09. That was resolved.
Still can’t prove that he knew the extent of anything after that until charges were filed and the guy got fired
I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.
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I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.
We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.
Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.
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We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.
Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.
I'm not a judge, so I can think all I want.
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We live in a land of provability, not plausibility.
Until its proven, he should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.
So you believe OJ didn't kill his wife then?
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I'm not a judge, so I can think all I want.
Except for all the smoke it creates, you can do just that.
But its still prudent to wait for ALL the facts before roasting a guy.
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Except for all the smoke it creates, you can do just that.
But its still prudent to wait for ALL the facts before roasting a guy.
Again he wasn't fired, he is on leave.
and my guess is his wife falls on the sword.
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So you believe OJ didn't kill his wife then?
OJ was found not guilty of that act.
Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure. But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.
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OJ was found not guilty of that act.
Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure. But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.
He was found guilty in civil court. Different burden of proof.
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OJ was found not guilty of that act.
Do I believe he was involved in some way? Sure.
I'm calling BS on you believing this nonsense.
But in this here land, you have to prove it. Feelings are not law. That is a demoncratic belief.
Also last time I checked this isn't a courtroom, it's a forum. For people to discuss things. So I could give a rat's ass if he proves anything.
I've admitted that Meyer may not have known anything, even said it is possible that she could be lying about the whole thing. However, there is also such a thing as reasonable, the facts are there and it's pretty damning evidence.
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I'm not using that as proof, I'm using that in your argument that you find it more plausible that Urban didn't know. Whereas I find it more plausible that there is no way he didn't.
Don’t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also can’t accept the “should have known†argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?
Doesnt much matter now. True or not he won’t ever recover. Won’t matter what’s proven or who falls on a sword. This is now his albatross.
That’s my problem with it. Can’t stand the smug prick. He was neck deep in twisting the 2010 knife his pal Mullen stuck in our back. I will enjoy his spectacular fall as much as anyone. I just want it to be justified. I’m not convinced this is. But that coati mundi is out of the cage. He’s being crucified across the spectrum. He will most likely have to be exiled.
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Don’t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also can’t accept the “should have known†argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?
Doesnt much matter now. True or not he won’t ever recover. Won’t matter what’s proven or who falls on a sword. This is now his albatross.
That’s my problem with it. Can’t stand the smug prick. He was neck deep in twisting the 2010 knife his pal Mullen stuck in our back. I will enjoy his spectacular fall as much as anyone. I just want it to be justified. I’m not convinced this is. But that coati mundi is out of the cage. He’s being crucified across the spectrum. He will most likely have to be exiled.
But this isn't a court....
So it's ok.
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Don’t want to keep slaughtering this horse. I just find it inconceivable that he would know and try to bury it in this age. Maybe he did. I also can’t accept the “should have known†argument. What does anyone truly know about the intimate lives of the people with whom they work?
If he knew about it I don't think he tried to bury it. I think to him he probably thought it was a non-issue. Hell, he might have even thought that it was none of his business he's just trying to do a job. Funny thing is I don't necessarily disagree with that. The problem is y'all keep relating this to regular working environments and K, you know as well as anyone, you have been there that this isn't a regular working environment.
The first issue is Title IX which is pretty important, second I agree that most people don't know everything about their co-workers, but these guys are usually close they aren't just coworkers they are family, they spend more time together than most families probably do. This kid was with him as a player and has followed him to every job Urban has been at. Things like that don't typically happen in regular companies.
With respect to him going down for this, he has done a lot of shady shit over the years, if this is what takes him down, I say fuck him.
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But this isn't a court....
So it's ok.
:rolleyes: yep.
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If he knew about it I don't think he tried to bury it. I think to him he probably thought it was a non-issue. Hell, he might have even thought that it was none of his business he's just trying to do a job. Funny thing is I don't necessarily disagree with that. The problem is y'all keep relating this to regular working environments and K, you know as well as anyone, you have been there that this isn't a regular working environment.
The first issue is Title IX which is pretty important, second I agree that most people don't know everything about their co-workers, but these guys are usually close they aren't just coworkers they are family, they spend more time together than most families probably do. This kid was with him as a player and has followed him to every job Urban has been at. Things like that don't typically happen in regular companies.
With respect to him going down for this, he has done a lot of shady shit over the years, if this is what takes him down, I say fuck him.
^^^All of this right here^^^
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On a side note, how much of a stretch is it to apply Title IX to this situation? Here's the basic premise of Title IX.
Title IX Defined. No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. (Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972)
I know the Courts have expanded it drastically, but how do you get to Title IX with a guy beating his wife, who unless I missed something, is not a school employee? Admittedly, I might have missed that part. If I did, then fuck me.
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On a side note, how much of a stretch is it to apply Title IX to this situation? Here's the basic premise of Title IX.
Title IX Defined. No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. (Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972)
I know the Courts have expanded it drastically, but how do you get to Title IX with a guy beating his wife, who unless I missed something, is not a school employee? Admittedly, I might have missed that part. If I did, then fuck me.
Can I just punch you out a little bit, go win some football games and not tell anybody?
I guess we could have sex afterward.
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Title IX not applicable to Shelly!
Therefore if they can’t prove urban knew, then not applicable to him neither!
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Title IX not applicable to Shelly!
Therefore if they can’t prove urban knew, then not applicable to him neither!
She's an employee of the university. It totally applies to her. Don't be a tard.
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She's an employee of the university. It totally applies to her. Don't be a tard.
But who have they discrimanated against?
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The piling on begins:
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/allegations-player-mistreatment-urban-meyer/457990
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The piling on begins:
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/allegations-player-mistreatment-urban-meyer/457990
Yeah.
He gone.
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It's like I post it yesterday and then you see it today.
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But who have they discrimanated against?
That's my question. If Courtney Smith is not a student or employee of the University, then I think may be wrongly throwing the Title IX blanket over this issue. (Again, I have no clue what she does and I'm not reading that long piece again to hopefully find out)
Still, I'm 100% certain Urban, or any coach for that matter, has an obligation to report that one of his hires has allegedly been beating the hell out of his wife...again.
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That's my question. If Courtney Smith is not a student or employee of the University, then I think may be wrongly throwing the Title IX blanket over this issue. (Again, I have no clue what she does and I'm not reading that long piece again to hopefully find out)
Still, I'm 100% certain Urban, or any coach for that matter, has an obligation to report that one of his hires has allegedly been beating the hell out of his wife...again.
I believe judge Wes has already ruled.
Isn’t your ass already full?
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Title IX not applicable to Shelley in this case! Specific rules state who is and who is not a mandatory reporter. If she does not have supervisory duties, then she is not a mandatory reporter. If that is the case, then Title IX does not apply.
Therefore if they can’t prove urban knew, then not applicable to him neither!
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I've thought about this and had more discussions about it, and I have changed my stance....see peoples minds can change.
First I like Snags delved into the Title IX requirements. I can find no instance of Domestic Abuse being involved in any Title IX requirements. Now there is a discussion of sexual abuse, however, this also deals strictly with athletes themselves or female students. So now I'm not understanding why Urban would be required to report anything, unless there is something specifically in his contract and I'm not looking through that. To me this changes things a ton. If he isn't required to report things, then he has no obligation to anyone.
Secondly, I still think the guy is a complete piece of shit for beating his wife. However, I kept thinking about this as if the people in the situation had no alternate decisions and they all did.
I'm not blaming her at all. However, even as a victim, she had a decision. After the 2009 incident, she chose to stay with the sob. That was her decision. Why was it Urban Meyer's responsibility to fire him? He was never charged.
What would the end result of Meyer firing him be?
Again, I'm not saying she was responsible....AT ALL. Again I just wonder what firing him would have solved.
For my own morality if I was boss I would like to think that I would fire an employee who beat his wife. Then I thought well what if that employee was my best friend. It isn't the same. CCTAU and Kaos you guys are right, not that there necessarily is a wrong or right, in this situation.
Firing Kevin Smith would not have stopped him from beating his wife. What is the end game? $$$$$$$?
So if they fire Meyer you have a loss of a program, college athletes who came for Meyer, numerous people who no longer have a job. Because of the decisions made by 2 individuals. A guy that beat up his wife and a wife that chose to stay.
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I've thought about this and had more discussions about it, and I have changed my stance....see peoples minds can change.
First I like Snags delved into the Title IX requirements. I can find no instance of Domestic Abuse being involved in any Title IX requirements. Now there is a discussion of sexual abuse, however, this also deals strictly with athletes themselves or female students. So now I'm not understanding why Urban would be required to report anything, unless there is something specifically in his contract and I'm not looking through that. To me this changes things a ton.
Secondly, I still think the guy is a complete piece of shit for beating his wife. However, I kept thinking about this as if the people in the situation had no alternate decisions and they all did.
I'm not blaming her at all. However, even as a victim, she had a decision. After the 2009 incident, she chose to stay with the sob. That was her decision. Why was it Urban Meyer's responsibility to fire him? He was never charged.
What would the end result of Meyer firing him be?
Again, I'm not saying she was responsible....AT ALL. Again I just wonder what firing him would have solved.
For my own morality if I was boss I would like to think that I would fire an employee who beat his wife. Then I thought well what if that employee was my best friend. It isn't the same. CCTAU and Kaos you guys are right, not that there necessarily is a wrong or right, in this situation.
Firing Kevin Smith would not have stopped him from beating his wife. What is the end game? $$$$$$$?
I seen a lot of people hate on me and I didn't know what to feel about that so I guess they didn't like much nothin' either. During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, the way you felt about me, and in the way I felt about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than 20 million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!
My only real position in this was that the instantaneous, hyperbolic, pants-shitting outrage and condemnation is a problem. Not for Urban Meyer, necessarily, but for everybody in this oh-my-god-i'm-triggered-and-suffused-with-indignation society.
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I seen a lot of people hate on me and I didn't know what to feel about that so I guess they didn't like much nothin' either. During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, the way you felt about me, and in the way I felt about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than 20 million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!
My only real position in this was that the instantaneous, hyperbolic, pants-shootting outrage and condemnation is a problem. Not for Urban Meyer, necessarily, but for everybody in this oh-my-god-i'm-triggered-and-suffused-with-indignation society.
You tell 'em Rock.
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I've thought about this and had more discussions about it, and I have changed my stance....see peoples minds can change.
First I like Snags delved into the Title IX requirements. I can find no instance of Domestic Abuse being involved in any Title IX requirements. Now there is a discussion of sexual abuse, however, this also deals strictly with athletes themselves or female students. So now I'm not understanding why Urban would be required to report anything, unless there is something specifically in his contract and I'm not looking through that. To me this changes things a ton. If he isn't required to report things, then he has no obligation to anyone.
Secondly, I still think the guy is a complete piece of shit for beating his wife. However, I kept thinking about this as if the people in the situation had no alternate decisions and they all did.
I'm not blaming her at all. However, even as a victim, she had a decision. After the 2009 incident, she chose to stay with the sob. That was her decision. Why was it Urban Meyer's responsibility to fire him? He was never charged.
What would the end result of Meyer firing him be?
Again, I'm not saying she was responsible....AT ALL. Again I just wonder what firing him would have solved.
For my own morality if I was boss I would like to think that I would fire an employee who beat his wife. Then I thought well what if that employee was my best friend. It isn't the same. CCTAU and Kaos you guys are right, not that there necessarily is a wrong or right, in this situation.
Firing Kevin Smith would not have stopped him from beating his wife. What is the end game? $$$$$$$?
So if they fire Meyer you have a loss of a program, college athletes who came for Meyer, numerous people who no longer have a job. Because of the decisions made by 2 individuals. A guy that beat up his wife and a wife that chose to stay.
But go back to my question. Who says this is a Title IX issue at all? That's being thrown about as if it's set in concrete. Was Paterno/Sandusky a Title IX issue? The very nature of Sandusky's crime makes it seem like that's in a whole different universe than this. But at it's very core, the situations are identical. Just assume for a second that Meyer knew about it in 2015. Sandusky was raping little boys. Not students. Little boys. Crime. Paterno allegedly knew and did not take it through proper channels. Fired/disgraced. Smith was beating the hell out of his wife. Crime. Urban knew and didn't go through any channels at all and lied about it to the press on top of that.
The nature of the crime makes no difference. Sandusky was Paterno's hire, just as Smith was for Meyer. They both committed crimes and neither head coach reported to their superiors. One thing that we may be overlooking is that regardless of it being a Title IX issue or not, it may be part of Meyer's employment contract to report crimes or even suspicion of crimes in his program. I'd wager that it damn well is part of his contract and every other head coach in the country.
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But go back to my question. Who says this is a Title IX issue at all? That's being thrown about as if it's set in concrete. Was Paterno/Sandusky a Title IX issue? The very nature of Sandusky's crime makes it seem like that's in a whole different universe than this. But at it's very core, the situations are identical. Just assume for a second that Meyer knew about it in 2015. Sandusky was raping little boys. Not students. Little boys. Crime. Paterno allegedly knew and did not take it through proper channels. Fired/disgraced. Smith was beating the hell out of his wife. Crime. Urban knew and didn't go through any channels at all and lied about it to the press on top of that.
The nature of the crime makes no difference. Sandusky was Paterno's hire, just as Smith was for Meyer. They both committed crimes and neither head coach reported to their superiors. One thing that we may be overlooking is that regardless of it being a Title IX issue or not, it may be part of Meyer's employment contract to report crimes or even suspicion of crimes in his program. I'd wager that it damn well is part of his contract and every other head coach in the country.
If she's not charging the husband with a crime and all he's got are apocryphal "he and Courtney are having trouble" rumors...... I'm telling you, nobody knows what's truly going on inside somebody's marriage except the two involved in it.
No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not riding this pony again. Get off the pony.
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My only real position in this was that the instantaneous, hyperbolic, pants-shitting outrage and condemnation is a problem. Not for Urban Meyer, necessarily, but for everybody in this oh-my-god-i'm-triggered-and-suffused-with-indignation society.
Nobody wants to wait for all of the information to come out. They just want to hang a bitch!
Its all good till you're that bitch they want to hang!
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Sandusky was raping little boys. Not students. Little boys. Crime. Paterno allegedly knew and did not take it through proper channels. Fired/disgraced. Smith was beating the hell out of his wife. Crime. Urban knew and didn't go through any channels at all and lied about it to the press on top of that.
The nature of the crime makes no difference. Sandusky was Paterno's hire, just as Smith was for Meyer. They both committed crimes and neither head coach reported to their superiors. One thing that we may be overlooking is that regardless of it being a Title IX issue or not, it may be part of Meyer's employment contract to report crimes or even suspicion of crimes in his program. I'd wager that it damn well is part of his contract and every other head coach in the country.
Can't compare them, not even close. Only in the fact that both Head Coaches claim they knew nothing and there is some proof that they might have but maybe not.
Nature of the crime does make a difference. Kids are not able to defend themselves, kids are not able to make decisions like adults. Abusing a kid sexually or otherwise is illegal. Beating your wife, if she doesn't press charges, is not.
Totally....totally polar opposite offenses.
If Joe Pa knew kids were being raped on campus, in his complex, and did nothing should be fired. NOT A QUESTION. Hell he should be put in jail.
Assuming Title IX doesn't apply, which I no longer see how it does. If Meyer knew that Smith was abusing his wife, and it didn't happen in the complex, or in front of him and she doesn't press charges...I don't see how he is liable. Lie or not
Perception is not a fireable offense
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Perception is not a fireable offense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR_477WqAE4
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It's like I post it yesterday and then you see it today.
Soooooory. I was busy yesterday measuring my ass to see if the condescension would fit up there. Didn’t catch your post.
Got an appointment with a doctor this afternoon because the space is limited what with all the snark, pity, obscene gestures and car horns jammed up there already.
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The piling on begins:
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/allegations-player-mistreatment-urban-meyer/457990
All that says to me is that the "entitled" generation needs to stop being a bunch of candies!!! These chumps didn't make it to be a superstar and are probably getting a few bucks for their comments. I don't like the guy but this is a witch hunt.
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Can't compare them, not even close. Only in the fact that both Head Coaches claim they knew nothing and there is some proof that they might have but maybe not.
Nature of the crime does make a difference. Kids are not able to defend themselves, kids are not able to make decisions like adults. Abusing a kid sexually or otherwise is illegal. Beating your wife, if she doesn't press charges, is not.
Totally....totally polar opposite offenses.
If Joe Pa knew kids were being raped on campus, in his complex, and did nothing should be fired. NOT A QUESTION. Hell he should be put in jail.
Assuming Title IX doesn't apply, which I no longer see how it does. If Meyer knew that Smith was abusing his wife, and it didn't happen in the complex, or in front of him and she doesn't press charges...I don't see how he is liable. Lie or not
Perception is not a fireable offense
Absolutely the same. Makes no difference how you perceive the crime or where it happened. Raping boys and beating the hell out of your wife are both serious in their own right. The key here is that Meyer and every head coach out there have a duty to report to their superiors when they either know or have reason to believe the people they hired are doing bad shit. And what's going on at tOSU is exactly the reason why.
I'm not talking about the argument of whether firing Smith would help or hurt him or his home life. I'm talking about the sole issue in this entire situation. Cut through all the moral BS for a second. What tOSU and every University out there wants to avoid is, "One of your employees was doing (Insert whatever...fucking boys, beating wives, selling meth), you found out about it and did NOTHING!!! The face of your program knew it and kept him employed."
This is not about Meyer's liability to anyone other than the bosses stroking him a check for $8 large a year. I totally get all the moral arguments made. His loyalty to his long time friend and employee, yada yada yada. But the administration and boosters paying those millions don't give two fiddly fucks about that. They don't want ESPN running stories 24/7, Paul Finebaum calling Meyer a fraud, the public claiming tOSU's head coach condones wife beating. They want the face of their program, the guy they're paying those millions to, to come to them and say, "Look, I think one of my guys has a problem with...." Then, they can investigate whatever the situation may be and determine if they need to get someone help, fire em' or find out there was nothing to it.
Meyer may be completely exonerated. At this point, I kind of hope he is. But the one and only issue here is that he's on administrative leave because either his bosses know he knew about it, or simply because public perception, right or wrong, is that Urban Meyer knew one of his coaches was beating his wife and did nothing. You can be as loyal to your friends as you want to be. But when he took this position, this money and this responsibility to the University and its boosters and fans, he had to understand that loyalty could possibly come with a price.
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But the one and only issue here is that he's on administrative leave because either his bosses know he knew about it, or simply because public perception, right or wrong, is that Urban Meyer knew one of his coaches was beating his wife and did nothing. You can be as loyal to your friends as you want to be. But when he took this position, this money and this responsibility to the University and its boosters and fans, he had to understand that loyalty could possibly come with a price.
He's on leave because liberals are scared shitless of SJWs. And attitudes like yours are helping feed that.
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He's on leave because liberals are scared shitless of SJWs. And attitudes like yours are helping feed that.
Hey hey now. The man cares. I know this for fact. He told a random guy at the chow king he did. Right after he slipped on a wet floor next to the egg drop soup.
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Still, I'm 100% certain Urban, or any coach for that matter, has an obligation to report that one of his hires has allegedly been beating the hell out of his wife...again.
Take any title IX out of the equation for a min and ask would this apply to someone in the private sector. Does my boss have to run tell dat if he hears a rumor I may have gotten a little too rough with the old lady during an argument?
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He's on leave because liberals are scared shitless of SJWs. And attitudes like yours are helping feed that.
What attitude? You know full well that a mega program like OSU wants to rock on, cheat at recruiting, put 100K fannies in the stands, generate $150-$200 million a year and not have "scandals" like this dominating the headlines. The power brokers don't give a shit if the guy beat his wife or not. They just want to be able to say, "We heard about a potential problem, acted swiftly and took the appropriate action." End of story. But that's not the case here. Instead, they're in damage control mode.
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Is it too much to ask that someone have nudes of this woman?
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Is it too much to ask that someone have nudes of this woman?
With or without the choke marks?
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What attitude? You know full well that a mega program like OSU wants to rock on, cheat at recruiting, put 100K fannies in the stands, generate $150-$200 million a year and not have "scandals" like this dominating the headlines. The power brokers don't give a shit if the guy beat his wife or not. They just want to be able to say, "We heard about a potential problem, acted swiftly and took the appropriate action." End of story. But that's not the case here. Instead, they're in damage control mode.
Agree with you dude. On the perception piece. There is enormous pc culture pressure now.
But beyond that has the dude done anything wrong other than tell a lie to the media about knowing? Frankly I don't give two shits about the media. But that's just me. Again not saying the dude is 100% clean and innocent. Just saying it ain't the full blown circus and HUGE scandal they've made it.
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With or without the choke marks?
Supply both....I'll determine what is hawt.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR_477WqAE4
Haha.....not really I just had my mind changed is all. I am open to listening and learning.
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Haha.....not really I just had my mind changed is all. I am open to listening and learning.
I'm just glad you got the reference. Some of these people on here cannot connect the dots...even with numbers!
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2018/08/01/ohio-state-coach-urban-meyers-amended-contract-could-pose-problem/885020002/
To the section covering Meyer’s specific duties and responsibilities, a provision was added that reads in part: "Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event."
For the purposes of this provision, the contract states, "a 'known violation' shall mean a violation or an allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause to believe is taking place or may have taken place."
To the section covering reasons for termination for cause, a provision was added that states Meyer’s contract can be terminated if he fails to promptly report to the university’s deputy Title IX coordinator-athletics or the university’s Title IX coordinator "any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event."
This new provision also states that: "It is recognized that this subsection" pertaining to grounds under which Meyer can be terminated for cause "encompasses findings or determinations of violations during employment of Coach at Ohio State or any other institution of higher learning."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2018/08/01/ohio-state-coach-urban-meyers-amended-contract-could-pose-problem/885020002/
To the section covering Meyer’s specific duties and responsibilities, a provision was added that reads in part: "Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator for Athletics any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event."
For the purposes of this provision, the contract states, "a 'known violation' shall mean a violation or an allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause to believe is taking place or may have taken place."
To the section covering reasons for termination for cause, a provision was added that states Meyer’s contract can be terminated if he fails to promptly report to the university’s deputy Title IX coordinator-athletics or the university’s Title IX coordinator "any known violations of Ohio State’s Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty, or staff that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event."
This new provision also states that: "It is recognized that this subsection" pertaining to grounds under which Meyer can be terminated for cause "encompasses findings or determinations of violations during employment of Coach at Ohio State or any other institution of higher learning."
Was sexual misconduct what was alleged? Or was it simply assault, domestic violence, etc. sexual misconduct is very specific.
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"Intimate violence" seems to cover it and Smith is/was a "faculty member."
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Wes = #herecomestheboom
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"Intimate violence" seems to cover it and Smith is/was a "faculty member."
I call it "Celebration." It's sexual and violent. I thought you might like it.
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Meyer made his first public statement. Admits he lied to the press at Big 10 Media Days. Said he did in fact have knowledge of the incidents and that he did report it through the proper chain of command.
Things just changed.
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Aaaannnd just like that, I think we can close the books on this one. But, it was fun for 6-7 pages.
How about some Auburn football?
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Aaaannnd just like that, I think we can close the books on this one. But, it was fun for 6-7 pages.
How about some Auburn football?
I like it
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I call it "Celebration." It's sexual and violent. I thought you might like it.
The painting was a gift, Todd, and I'm keeping it.
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Aaaannnd just like that, I think we can close the books on this one. But, it was fun for 6-7 pages.
How about some Auburn football?
I don't see it as closed at all. If he had reported the most recent incident, as he says, then OSU could have simply come out and said, "Coach Meyer followed established protocol, made the appropriate administration officials aware of the allegations and we have initiated an investigation."
Instead, in spite of Urb's statement, they seem to be saying, "Whoa...first we heard of this and we took Coach at his word when he denied knowledge."
I still think he's fucked.
Or...as said better on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/karenehowell/status/1025494447524655104
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"Intimate violence" seems to cover it and Smith is/was a "faculty member."
Wasn’t in connection with a university event.
Am i am I the only one with a law degree around here?
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Wasn’t in connection with a university event.
Am i am I the only one with a law degree around here?
I disagree with that interpretation (of course.)
"Intimate violence" (which sounds like a broadening of DV to encompass non-cohabitating partners) can't be perpetrated in public. If I beat my wife at Wal-Mart...or an OSU bbq, I'm catching an assault charge rather than DV. I think the DA could bring the higher charge, but the lesser included is the likely case.
Whither JRAU?
Also, that isn't the hill that OSU is gonna die on. They aren't splitting hairs about where the (alleged) violence occurred.
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I disagree with that interpretation (of course.)
"Intimate violence" (which sounds like a broadening of DV to encompass non-cohabitating partners) can't be perpetrated in public. If I beat my wife at Wal-Mart...or an OSU bbq, I'm catching an assault charge rather than DV. I think the DA could bring the higher charge, but the lesser included is the likely case.
Whither JRAU?
Also, that isn't the hill that OSU is gonna die on. They aren't splitting hairs about where the (alleged) violence occurred.
If anything gets him it won’t be Title IX.
Your barn-broad interpretation aside, I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a judge willing to make that much taffy out of the rule.
They may burn him for any number of reasons but I’m willing to bet it won’t be Title IX
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I do tend to think it's pretty much put to bed. Meyer is the face of the program. He didn't release that statement without full administrative approval. I see them finding some scapegoat deep within administration, paying him/her under the table and sending said scapegoat packing.
Damn it, Coach Meyer reported it to Mr. X, and Mr. X didn't follow procedure, didn't act on it...whatever. We have parted ways with Mr. X, but not before a stern lecture and tersely worded separation letter. In addition, we are conducting intense seminars with our staff on how to handle any potential future situations. We are ready to move forward. Who is the first opponent on the schedule?
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I do tend to think it's pretty much put to bed. Meyer is the face of the program. He didn't release that statement without full administrative approval. I see them finding some scapegoat deep within administration, paying him/her under the table and sending said scapegoat packing.
Damn it, Coach Meyer reported it to Mr. X, and Mr. X didn't follow procedure, didn't act on it...whatever. We have parted ways with Mr. X, but not before a stern lecture and tersely worded separation letter. In addition, we are conducting intense seminars with our staff on how to handle any potential future situations. We are ready to move forward. Who is the first opponent on the schedule?
He essentially threw his AD and the entire OSU administration under the bus.
No way he survives this.
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He essentially threw his AD and the entire OSU administration under the bus.
No way he survives this.
Totally orchestrated. Again, the administration will admit to a fuck up in the chain of command and pay off someone under the table. Make that person the scapegoat and move on.
Remember, the public doesn't give a shit that this woman got her ass beat. They want a Meyer scandal. Meyer admitted to the lesser offense of "not being truthful" with the press. The administration will admit to some shortcomings in the process and promise to do better in the future. End of story.
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Now, having said that, I think back to the beloved Tressell getting fired for next to NADA. That shit should have been a slap on the wrist and move on. (It would have been at Bama) We'll see. But my money is on the "We need to do better" scenario and Meyer continues on. Part of his letter/statement was that he would address these things publically at a later date, after the University had completed its investigation.
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Now, having said that, I think back to the beloved Tressell getting fired for next to NADA. That shit should have been a slap on the wrist and move on. (It would have been at Bama) We'll see. But my money is on the "We need to do better" scenario and Meyer continues on. Part of his letter/statement was that he would address these things publically at a later date, after the University had completed its investigation.
Tressell got hung for far lesser offenses in a less hostile time. Urb is gonna feel the wrath. Nothing was "orchestrated." OSU wouldn't dance that way to take this PR hit. They have their nuts in the fire already with Jim Jordan and they will not brook another fucking "athlete" dragging their school.
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Tressell got hung for far lesser offenses in a less hostile time. Urb is gonna feel the wrath. Nothing was "orchestrated." OSU wouldn't dance that way to take this PR hit. They have their nuts in the fire already with Jim Jordan and they will not brook another fucking "athlete" dragging their school.
I still say orchestrated. The media and public wanted Meyer's head on a platter. With that statement, they didn't get it. Well, who did he report it to? Nobody fucking cares at this point. They'll say mistakes were made and we'll correct it. Mea culpa.
Playoffs, baby.
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Bet these will be even more popular
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I’ve watched this over the last few days. There is one thing I can tell you for sure.
Brett McMurphy is infatuated with Courtney. Maybe he wants her. Maybe he feels sorry for her. But there’s something odd there.
He’s driving the bus that’s running over Meyer and he’s got his foot on the gas.
He’s behind every release so far. Today he’s writing about polls he’s taken of ADs as to whether Meyer will be fired.
He wants to destroy Meyer.
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I’ve watched this over the last few days. There is one thing I can tell you for sure.
Brett McMurphy is infatuated with Courtney. Maybe he wants her. Maybe he feels sorry for her. But there’s something odd there.
He’s driving the bus that’s running over Meyer and he’s got his foot on the gas.
He’s behind every release so far. Today he’s writing about polls he’s taken of ADs as to whether Meyer will be fired.
He wants to destroy Meyer.
There are some that just seem infatuated with it despite the actual facts.
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Bet these will be even more popular
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Especially at Michigan
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All this talk of intimate violence has made me hard. Hold me Sani.
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All this talk of intimate violence has made me hard. Hold me Sani.
All the naughtie ways
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Courtney Smith is definitely banging McMurphy.
https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/ex-ohio_state_assistant_zach_s.html
This goes way beyond news and deep dives into vendetta.
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And after all that info - McMurphy now seems like the more creepy of the two.
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Tressell got hung for far lesser offenses in a less hostile time. Urb is gonna feel the wrath. Nothing was "orchestrated." OSU wouldn't dance that way to take this PR hit. They have their nuts in the fire already with Jim Jordan and they will not brook another fucking "athlete" dragging their school.
It’s not easy, being hung.
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So the verdict is that Meyerz gets 3 games off. Admittedly, I didn't read any of the findings or listen to much about it other than them giving him the suspension. I did hear one sports talking head say they found several incidents over the years that he should have reported, but didn't. Not sure what that refers to.
But, what I do know is that he told reporters at media days that he knew nothing about it. Then, he later says he did and reported it to the proper peeps at tOSU. So did he or didn't he? If he did, then why did he get suspended? If he lied about that...again...why isn't he fired? I think the one thing that's certain is if he went .500 last year and lost to Meat Chicken, he'd be on a permanent vacation. But he wins games and championships.
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All I'm saying is that Saban knew.
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All I'm saying is that Saban knew.
The cease and desist letter was already sent a'ight!
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So the verdict is that Meyerz gets 3 games off. Admittedly, I didn't read any of the findings or listen to much about it other than them giving him the suspension. I did hear one sports talking head say they found several incidents over the years that he should have reported, but didn't. Not sure what that refers to.
But, what I do know is that he told reporters at media days that he knew nothing about it. Then, he later says he did and reported it to the proper peeps at tOSU. So did he or didn't he? If he did, then why did he get suspended? If he lied about that...again...why isn't he fired? I think the one thing that's certain is if he went .500 last year and lost to Meat Chicken, he'd be on a permanent vacation. But he wins games and championships.
Cliff notes: he got punishment for lying at media days making osu look bad. Nothing more. ***as of right now
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The bookfaces are all atwitter with bamturds wailing and gnashing about how Urban should have been roasted.
They hate anyone who kicks that ass!
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In the wake of the Urban Meyer suspension, Ohio State just announced it has agreed to a contract with Grad Assistant Burban Beyer through September 15, 2018.
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In the wake of the Urban Meyer suspension, Ohio State just announced it has agreed to a contract with Grad Assistant Burban Beyer through September 15, 2018.
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The interwebz. You won them today.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-urban-meyer-step-ohio-state-head-coach-123250805.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-urban-meyer-step-ohio-state-head-coach-123250805.html)
Urban Meyer to step down at Ohio State after Rose Bowl
OC Ryan Day will be named HC, he was interim while Urban was suspended earlier this season.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-urban-meyer-step-ohio-state-head-coach-123250805.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-urban-meyer-step-ohio-state-head-coach-123250805.html)
Urban Meyer to step down at Ohio State after Rose Bowl
OC Ryan Day will be named HC, he was interim while Urban was suspended earlier this season.
Meanwhile, Gus Malzahn chuckles nervously.
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Meanwhile, Gus Malzahn chuckles nervously.
Chuckles all the way to a bank in the Cayman Islands.