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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Ogre on October 05, 2008, 07:04:55 AM
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I want Tuberville fired. Gone.
Sure, I love what he's done for Auburn. I love that he recruits character and I love that he always has a great defense. But 10 years into a coaching tenure, and I feel like we are moving backwards. Our program is stale. The Franklin hire was supposed to bring a fresh look to Auburn's offense, but it may end up being the worst hire since Barfield. One SEC Championship in 10 years. Two SEC Championship Game appearances in 10 years. That's not the level I want Auburn playing at. I am tired of settling for mediocrity and saying "wait until next year."
It's time to move forward. The only reservation I have about making a change at the top is that our fucktard of an AD will be hiring his replacement - and that scares me to death.
I doubt that many will agree with me, and that's fine. I'll be driving the bandwagon when you decide to jump on.
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I want Tuberville fired. Gone.
Sure, I love what he's done for Auburn. I love that he recruits character and I love that he always has a great defense. But 10 years into a coaching tenure, and I feel like we are moving backwards. Our program is stale. The Franklin hire was supposed to bring a fresh look to Auburn's offense, but it may end up being the worst hire since Barfield. One SEC Championship in 10 years. Two SEC Championship Game appearances in 10 years. That's not the level I want Auburn playing at. I am tired of settling for mediocrity and saying "wait until next year."
It's time to move forward. The only reservation I have about making a change at the top is that our fucktard of an AD will be hiring his replacement - and that scares me to death.
I doubt that many will agree with me, and that's fine. I'll be driving the bandwagon when you decide to jump on.
Disagree.
What I want out of an Auburn head coach is threefold:
1) Make sure the coaches and players represent Auburn well. No drug headlines, no pit bull breeding. Despite Alabama's football success, I would not trade places with those assclowns. There are things far more important than football success and building men of respect and character is one of them. Tuberville -- up to this season -- has done that well.
2) Run a clean program. I don't want to hear rumors of cash, cars, kitchen upgrades and all manner of shenanigans. Again, I would not trade places with those slimy assclowns in Tuscaloosa for anything right now. They cheat in order to win. You know it. I know it. They know it. It's not worth it. I'd rather lose the right way than win like those douchebags do.
3) Be competitive. Maybe you don't remember the pre-Tuberville days, days when you looked at the calendar and saw three or four games you knew the team had virtually no chance of winning. That hasn't happened until this year. All I expect out of a head coach is to keep the team competitive and in the hunt. Be in a position to win the SEC every two or three years, be competitive in the rest.
Until this season Tuberville has done all three well. And if AU didn't have an abortion of an offense, if the Franklin hire had produced an offense that put up 25 points per game, this discussion would be moot. Did you know that Tuberville's Auburn teams have just a couple of losses when scoring 30 points or more? I think it might be just one or two.
I don't fault him for wanting to boost the offense. He sees the same things we do and realized that if he could find a system that would put 30+ on the board week-in and week-out, AU has the defense to become an elite team. I just think he chose the wrong route. The offensive philosophy is fine. But the boob he selected to implement it is the problem. Tony Franklin needs to go. I said that after the first game because I saw glaring fundamental flaws in execution and preparation. Nothing since has changed my thinking one iota. Saturday's debacle of debacles clearly proved that Franklin is incapable of a) calling plays at the SEC level, b) recognizing what works and capitalizing on it rather than stubbornly selecting plays and formations that children know are resigned to failure, c) inspiring confidence in his fellow coaches or players, d) selecting the right personnel for the plays that are called and e) understanding the urgency in getting it right. Franklin's "aw shucks, fellers, I'm a dumbass but we still won" act was tired and tiresome weeks ago. Tuberville went to this offense in order to assist recruiting, but the abortion that is currently displayed on the field will surely give quality recruits great reservations. If you were a top-flight receiver would you want to come to Auburn where your talents would be squandered by the most ineffective offensive system in the nation?
Franklin is the biggest problem. He continues to cling to Chris Todd despite the fact that Todd clearly is unable to get the job done. When he's forced to put Burns in, he seems to sabotage his efforts by calling plays that negate Burns' strengths. Either that or he is so stupid he can't figure out what to do with him -- although he certainly seemed to know what to do in the Peach Bowl last season. Frankly, if you only have a single finger to point, it should really point at Chris Todd. If Franklin only had Burns and didn't feel the need to suck up to Todd, I personally think you'd see a vastly superior product. But for whatever reason, Franklin has hitched his career to a flop-armed, slow-footed dud. And between the two of them they're taking Auburn down in flames. Please don't hand me the "Kodi can't run the plays" garbage. We've seen what Todd can do and quite honestly, its abysmal. It's time to see if Burns can do any better if given the long leash. But Franklin will never do that.
Throughout his career, Tuberville has shown a propensity for battling back just when it seemed all was lost. I expect he will do the same now. But I doubt he can do it (or at least do it well) while shackled to the biggest idiot in college football. I hope that Tony Franklin is gone by this weekend. Something has to give before this entire program and all the positives its developed over the last decade cracks under the strain.
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Disagree.
What I want out of an Auburn head coach is threefold:
1) Make sure the coaches and players represent Auburn well. No drug headlines, no pit bull breeding. Despite Alabama's football success, I would not trade places with those assclowns. There are things far more important than football success and building men of respect and character is one of them. Tuberville -- up to this season -- has done that well.
2) Run a clean program. I don't want to hear rumors of cash, cars, kitchen upgrades and all manner of shenanigans. Again, I would not trade places with those slimy assclowns in Tuscaloosa for anything right now. They cheat in order to win. You know it. I know it. They know it. It's not worth it. I'd rather lose the right way than win like those douchebags do.
3) Be competitive. Maybe you don't remember the pre-Tuberville days, days when you looked at the calendar and saw three or four games you knew the team had virtually no chance of winning. That hasn't happened until this year. All I expect out of a head coach is to keep the team competitive and in the hunt. Be in a position to win the SEC every two or three years, be competitive in the rest.
I don't disagree at all with this, and I can also agree that Tubs has done all three well.
I don't fault him for wanting to boost the offense. He sees the same things we do and realized that if he could find a system that would put 30+ on the board week-in and week-out, AU has the defense to become an elite team. I just think he chose the wrong route. The offensive philosophy is fine. But the boob he selected to implement it is the problem. Tony Franklin needs to go. I said that after the first game because I saw glaring fundamental flaws in execution and preparation. Nothing since has changed my thinking one iota. Saturday's debacle of debacles clearly proved that Franklin is incapable of a) calling plays at the SEC level, b) recognizing what works and capitalizing on it rather than stubbornly selecting plays and formations that children know are resigned to failure, c) inspiring confidence in his fellow coaches or players, d) selecting the right personnel for the plays that are called and e) understanding the urgency in getting it right. Franklin's "aw shucks, fellers, I'm a dumbass but we still won" act was tired and tiresome weeks ago. Tuberville went to this offense in order to assist recruiting, but the abortion that is currently displayed on the field will surely give quality recruits great reservations. If you were a top-flight receiver would you want to come to Auburn where your talents would be squandered by the most ineffective offensive system in the nation?
The problem is, Tuberville hires a new OC and then meddles with the offensive playcalling. He won't let them bring in any of their own assistant coaches and forces them to work with his clique. Look at Troy's offense this year. They haven't missed a step, and Blakeney didn't go out and hire a new OC, he just promoted from within and kept using Franklin's system with Franklin's old position coaches. I believe that if Franklin was allowed to bring in some of those guys who he worked with at Troy, our offense would be in a lot better position right now. Unfortunately, that would force Tubs to release a few of his buddies, and he won't stand for that. He's loyal to a fault, and sometimes you have to cut your dead weight <cough....Greg Knox....cough> to continue improving.
Don't get me wrong, I think Franklin is a bumbling idiot. It's just that I hesitate to put all the blame squarely on his shoulders.
Franklin is the biggest problem. He continues to cling to Chris Todd despite the fact that Todd clearly is unable to get the job done. When he's forced to put Burns in, he seems to sabotage his efforts by calling plays that negate Burns' strengths. Either that or he is so stupid he can't figure out what to do with him -- although he certainly seemed to know what to do in the Peach Bowl last season. Frankly, if you only have a single finger to point, it should really point at Chris Todd. If Franklin only had Burns and didn't feel the need to suck up to Todd, I personally think you'd see a vastly superior product. But for whatever reason, Franklin has hitched his career to a flop-armed, slow-footed dud. And between the two of them they're taking Auburn down in flames. Please don't hand me the "Kodi can't run the plays" garbage. We've seen what Todd can do and quite honestly, its abysmal. It's time to see if Burns can do any better if given the long leash. But Franklin will never do that.
Again, I agree 100% with you here regarding the QB situation. I think the Franklin-Todd relationship is a fast-spreading cancer on our team.
My point is, eventually the buck has to stop with the man at the top. How many times can a CEO fire his CFO and get away with it? Since Tubs has been here, Offensive Coordinators have come and gone, yet our fundamental offensive problems stay the same.
I am thankful for what Tuberville has done and where he has led us, but I just don't see him ever taking us over the hump to the level I want Auburn to be.
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What if I told you that Kodi Burns instigated a what could be called a revolt against Tony Franklin?
What if I told you that Burns marched into Franklin's office and said, "You're going to play me this week or I'm gone."
What if I told you that other football players marched into Tuberville's office and said, "If Kodi doesn't play this week, we're not showing up."
What if I told you that Tuberville told those players that shit like that doesn't fly at Auburn. They don't have to be on the team.
What if I told you that Tuberville assured Franklin that Kodi had no right to do what he did, and he would definitely not be playing against Tennessee.
What if I told you that a couple of minutes before halftime against Tennessee, Tuberville told Franklin to put Burns in despite what Tuberville had said to Franklin.
How would any of you feel if all that was true?
That's what Tony Franklin reported to a couple of coaches at Pelham High School. As I'm sure I've told a couple of you before, I work with Brett Burnett (former head coach of Chris Todd) and Jep Irwin. Both of them help Tony Franklin with his conferences in Nashville and have known Franklin since they all worked in the state of Kentucky.
I'm not sure if all of it is true, but if it is, I sincerely apologize to Franklin and the players for all this bullshit.
Honestly, the Franklin hire just didn't fit. Tony Franklin has been successful everywhere he's coached except Auburn. Whether it's Tubs, the players or assistant coaches, I don't know. But SOMETHING at Auburn has inhibited Franklin from being able to do what he did at Kentucky and at Troy.
According to some Rod Smith quotes on rivals, we need to anticipate "drastic changes" to the offense. Sounds like this clown parade is coming quickly to a close.
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I want Tuberville fired. Gone.
Sure, I love what he's done for Auburn. I love that he recruits character and I love that he always has a great defense. But 10 years into a coaching tenure, and I feel like we are moving backwards. Our program is stale. The Franklin hire was supposed to bring a fresh look to Auburn's offense, but it may end up being the worst hire since Barfield. One SEC Championship in 10 years. Two SEC Championship Game appearances in 10 years. That's not the level I want Auburn playing at. I am tired of settling for mediocrity and saying "wait until next year."
It's time to move forward. The only reservation I have about making a change at the top is that our fucktard of an AD will be hiring his replacement - and that scares me to death.
I doubt that many will agree with me, and that's fine. I'll be driving the bandwagon when you decide to jump on.
Been there , done that.
I would gladly trade our mediocrity of the last ten years for yours.
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What if I told you that Kodi Burns instigated a what could be called a revolt against Tony Franklin?
What if I told you that Burns marched into Franklin's office and said, "You're going to play me this week or I'm gone."
What if I told you that other football players marched into Tuberville's office and said, "If Kodi doesn't play this week, we're not showing up."
What if I told you that Tuberville told those players that shit like that doesn't fly at Auburn. They don't have to be on the team.
What if I told you that Tuberville assured Franklin that Kodi had no right to do what he did, and he would definitely not be playing against Tennessee.
What if I told you that a couple of minutes before halftime against Tennessee, Tuberville told Franklin to put Burns in despite what Tuberville had said to Franklin.
How would any of you feel if all that was true?
That's what Tony Franklin reported to a couple of coaches at Pelham High School. As I'm sure I've told a couple of you before, I work with Brett Burnett (former head coach of Chris Todd) and Jep Irwin. Both of them help Tony Franklin with his conferences in Nashville and have known Franklin since they all worked in the state of Kentucky.
I'm not sure if all of it is true, but if it is, I sincerely apologize to Franklin and the players for all this bullshit.
Honestly, the Franklin hire just didn't fit. Tony Franklin has been successful everywhere he's coached except Auburn. Whether it's Tubs, the players or assistant coaches, I don't know. But SOMETHING at Auburn has inhibited Franklin from being able to do what he did at Kentucky and at Troy.
According to some Rod Smith quotes on rivals, we need to anticipate "drastic changes" to the offense. Sounds like this clown parade is coming quickly to a close.
Theres a feller from Arkansas who has SEC OC experience that might be interested in getting back to the SEC. Look for the leaders in offense the last couple of years and you'll find him.
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What if I told you that Kodi Burns instigated a what could be called a revolt against Tony Franklin?
What if I told you that Burns marched into Franklin's office and said, "You're going to play me this week or I'm gone."
What if I told you that other football players marched into Tuberville's office and said, "If Kodi doesn't play this week, we're not showing up."
What if I told you that Tuberville told those players that shit like that doesn't fly at Auburn. They don't have to be on the team.
What if I told you that Tuberville assured Franklin that Kodi had no right to do what he did, and he would definitely not be playing against Tennessee.
What if I told you that a couple of minutes before halftime against Tennessee, Tuberville told Franklin to put Burns in despite what Tuberville had said to Franklin.
How would any of you feel if all that was true?
That's what Tony Franklin reported to a couple of coaches at Pelham High School. As I'm sure I've told a couple of you before, I work with Brett Burnett (former head coach of Chris Todd) and Jep Irwin. Both of them help Tony Franklin with his conferences in Nashville and have known Franklin since they all worked in the state of Kentucky.
I'm not sure if all of it is true, but if it is, I sincerely apologize to Franklin and the players for all this bullshit.
Honestly, the Franklin hire just didn't fit. Tony Franklin has been successful everywhere he's coached except Auburn. Whether it's Tubs, the players or assistant coaches, I don't know. But SOMETHING at Auburn has inhibited Franklin from being able to do what he did at Kentucky and at Troy.
According to some Rod Smith quotes on rivals, we need to anticipate "drastic changes" to the offense. Sounds like this clown parade is coming quickly to a close.
Jesus Christ on ice skates.....and i thought we were the most fucked up program in this state.
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The problem is, Tuberville hires a new OC and then meddles with the offensive playcalling. He won't let them bring in any of their own assistant coaches and forces them to work with his clique. Look at Troy's offense this year. They haven't missed a step, and Blakeney didn't go out and hire a new OC, he just promoted from within and kept using Franklin's system with Franklin's old position coaches. I believe that if Franklin was allowed to bring in some of those guys who he worked with at Troy, our offense would be in a lot better position right now. Unfortunately, that would force Tubs to release a few of his buddies, and he won't stand for that. He's loyal to a fault, and sometimes you have to cut your dead weight <cough....Greg Knox....cough> to continue improving.
Don't get me wrong, I think Franklin is a bumbling idiot. It's just that I hesitate to put all the blame squarely on his shoulders.
Amen! If Franklin goes; then Knox, Nall, Ensminger, and Gran should be right behind him. The blame for this catastrophe should not be hitched to Tony Franklin's wagon alone. This a collective, group cluster-fuck and I say fire one - fire them all.
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Jesus Christ on ice skates.....and i thought we were the most fucked up program in this state.
Well, we might have taken over that role in one season.
I don't think it's as bad as it seems. We suck. We can accept that.
The only positive reason behind Tuberville doing something like that (again, if Franklin was truthful), is he already decided that the Franklin experiment was a bust, and Kodi Burns was our future. And that's not very positive.
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Well, here's one reason Tony Franklin should be fired immediately. There's some guy on a message board quoting the things he said about his boss and the players he coaches. Quotes that paint the head coach and those players and the entire program as totally dysfunctional.
Hey, maybe he'll write a book.
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Disagree. He has set up a solid program. We are not an elite 5 program and may never be without risking some serious recruiting violations.
There is a long list of good programs who fired pretty damn good coaches because they weren't winning national championships and floundered. miami and nebraska come to mind.
Fla did it with meyer but you are kidding yourself if you think the recruiiting power of uf didnt have tons to do with that.
AU is not exactly somewhere that a great coach would be itching to go. We would have to take a gambnle on a hit or miss up and coming guy or try to bankroll a coach like bama did. I don't really want to see either and there really isnt a proven coach out there on the market like saban was at the moment. And hell, saban wasnt even on the market.
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Disagree. He has set up a solid program. We are not an elite 5 program and may never be without risking some serious recruiting violations.
There is a long list of good programs who fired pretty damn good coaches because they weren't winning national championships and floundered. miami and nebraska come to mind.
Fla did it with meyer but you are kidding yourself if you think the recruiiting power of uf didnt have tons to do with that.
AU is not exactly somewhere that a great coach would be itching to go. We would have to take a gambnle on a hit or miss up and coming guy or try to bankroll a coach like bama did. I don't really want to see either and there really isnt a proven coach out there on the market like saban was at the moment. And hell, saban wasnt even on the market.
The only way I'd be good with keeping Tubs is if he was forced to let go of his entire offensive staff and let the OC pick his own position coaches. I will be pissed if we send Franklin off to the guillotine and just bring in another OC. If we do that, we are going to be in the same boat we are in now.
Ask yourself this question: What self-respecting OC would want to come coach at Auburn right now? Since Petrino, it's become the place that OC's go to die.
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I am so far in your corner on the whole offensive staff needing to go thing.
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We need a midseason replacement who is good enough to make the most out of what we have now and will be promised that at seasons end and anytime after that he will be able to hire and fire his own staff.
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there was an article posted on AUN that i thought was fairly insightful. being a Bama fan, the opinion may be unwelcome coming from me. but as somebody that is not an AU fan, i'm not biased towards one coach over another. not really intending to flame either, just a neutral opinion.
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/ (http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/)
while it is just a measley blog, alot of what is said in there makes sense. CTF is no genius and i never thought he was a brilliant hire for yall, but damn. he didn't just forget how to run the damn thing overnight. Troy is still running his offense and is 21st in the nation in total offense averaging like 440 ypg and 32 points per game and they have 16 TDs. they didn't go hire an outside OC, they promoted from within. CTT can say AU doesn't have the talent to run it yet, but you can't tell me that Troy has outrecruited AU all these years. there is no way in hell Troy has better talent than AU. if it goes on its usual cycle and CTF is still at AU after this season, the cycle should put him out the door in his second or third season. then you are going to have an entire team full of guys with the skill to run that particular type of offense. make no mistake, AU has totally owned us on the field the past 6 years. no ifs, ands, or buts. o w n e d us. and i think for that, alot of people just follow whatever CTT says and has this blind faith in him, and you miss the little things that give stuff away.
also, after the quotes i saw from Kodi Burns after the game, you guys better hope like hell they don't let him play against Arkansas. he does not have his head screwed on straight right now and is very confused.
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Hey, I have noticed the talent quotes as well and wondered how in the fuck troy has ammassed so much greater talent than AU.
Tubs needs to keep his fucking nose out of the offense. He is completely clueless there but occassionally finds a nut when hiring oc's. I'm thinking he uses his bestus buddies on the offensive staff to keep an eye on things. Every coach on the O staff needs to fear the oc and his ability to control their fate as coaches. I don't think AU has that and I think that his buds there know they can get away with murder and keep their jobs.
Tubs needs to meddle with the d, which he knows, and admit that he needs to treat the offense as though he is a vampire and it is garlic.
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Afa kodi not playing, I disagree. Several offensive players have admitted the offense is beyond confusing at the moment and in disarray.
Todd is performing horribly! and simply not a sec caliber qb. Burns can be.
Franklin needs to go and burns given a shot. Or maybe caudle. His stats were better than todds anyways during practice.
Todd is simply not the answer in my book. He is slow and has no arm strength and has shown a willingness to throw the ball up for grabs in crucial situations.
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Tommy has to realize that the immediate offensive change is not working.
He has to come up with a hybrid offense in the meantime.
Do some things that yall were doing last year that worked and add in some aspects of Franklin's plan.
The sudden switch has yall fucked. You do not have the personnel this year.
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Afa kodi not playing, I disagree. Several offensive players have admitted the offense is beyond confusing at the moment and in disarray.
Todd is performing horribly! and simply not a sec caliber qb. Burns can be.
Franklin needs to go and burns given a shot. Or maybe caudle. His stats were better than todds anyways during practice.
Todd is simply not the answer in my book. He is slow and has no arm strength and has shown a willingness to throw the ball up for grabs in crucial situations.
yes, several players have said the whole thing is in disarray. well no shit, its pretty obvious to everybody that its fucked up as a football bat.
"This isn't the Auburn I saw when I was recruited."
how much do you want to bet his ass is gone to another school at the end of this season? maybe i am just reading too much into that, but it just reeks of "this ain't what i signed up for, fuck it." i don't think he is in it for the team right now. but thats just my opinion.
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How much do you want to bet he stays? The kid is upset like everyone else and he also said it wasnt the AU he saw last year.
CTF is the problem and once he is gone the ship will be righted.
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Hey, I have noticed the talent quotes as well and wondered how in the fuck troy has ammassed so much greater talent than AU.
Tubs needs to keep his fucking nose out of the offense. He is completely clueless there but occassionally finds a nut when hiring oc's. I'm thinking he uses his bestus buddies on the offensive staff to keep an eye on things. Every coach on the O staff needs to fear the oc and his ability to control their fate as coaches. I don't think AU has that and I think that his buds there know they can get away with murder and keep their jobs.
Tubs needs to meddle with the d, which he knows, and admit that he needs to treat the offense as though he is a vampire and it is garlic.
It's Tuberville's JOB to be "meddling" if and when after the first couple games, and games that matter, not scrimmages, the offense doesn't seem to be taking and there is a feeling of dissent in the team atmosphere. If he DIDN'T "meddle" and just let it continue to fail (and the play calling suggests that it would), we'd be worse than we are. CTT is the big dick on campus and if shit isn't getting done, he better get involved or get the fuck out himself.
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It's Tuberville's JOB to be "meddling" if and when after the first couple games, and games that matter, not scrimmages, the offense doesn't seem to be taking and there is a feeling of dissent in the team atmosphere. If he DIDN'T "meddle" and just let it continue to fail (and the play calling suggests that it would), we'd be worse than we are. CTT is the big dick on campus and if shit isn't getting done, he better get involved or get the fuck out himself.
I disagree. He is a great recruiter and defensive coach and has done great things. The offense clearly isnt hisstrong suit.
It was a bit over the top to say he shouldnt meddle at all, but it is clear that when it gets to the point that his meddling is needed we are already freaked.
He needs to hire oc's with the help of a good recruiting service and have input from those who can help him.
When our o is good we rock! It rarely is. I don't think tubs needs to go but I think he needs massive help on the offensive end of things
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I disagree. He is a great recruiter and defensive coach and has done great things. The offense clearly isnt hisstrong suit.
It was a bit over the top to say he shouldnt meddle at all, but it is clear that when it gets to the point that his meddling is needed we are already freaked.
He needs to hire oc's with the help of a good recruiting service and have input from those who can help him.
When our o is good we rock! It rarely is. I don't think tubs needs to go but I think he needs massive help on the offensive end of things
I hear what you're trying to say 88, but I think even a coach a notch above "football ignorant" could see that CTF's offense is not working out, and CTF himself isn't recognizing it. If CTF's offense showed diversity and play calling that gained the confidence of the players, that it could adapt to a games particular defensive challenge, perhaps your statement would hold water with me. However, the offense has sputtered against all defenses we've thrown it up against, and there have been no significant changes or adjustments through 5 games with the exception of the few things supposedly CTT is "forcing" him to do. In fact, what's worse, when we've gone away from CTF's offense early and shown success, we've actually adjusted to a failed stance in offense. That flies in the face of all common sense.
It's a debacle, and one where the head coach needs to take the reigns and make a leadership decision.
We shall see what happens.
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I can see why he hasn't done anything radical to this point(before the vandy game). I don't see how he can keep franklin here now. If we aren't going to run his offense we simply have no use for him. He is like a zit right in the middle of Auburns nose at the moment.
I feel for the guy, and it may not be all or even mostly his fault, but he needs to go.
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From a lot of the accounts I'm hearing, Auburn is not running CTF's system. They are running something that does not look like anything anyone knows, except it ain't fooling nobody. And if this is the case, Todd is doing great. I can't see any QB actually understanding something that is not the "norm." KB does not get it. Todd is being asked to do more than he is capable. And the OL looks like shit. I finally watched the replay(my 11 yr old played at 7:00) last night and the scoring drives looked good. Then it all went to shit. I don't think I've seen such a porous line in years. On one play 71 did not have anyone to block, so he looked out just as the LB went "right" past him for the sack.
For a couple of years we blamed Borges for being benign. Maybe the offensive problem did not leave with Borges. Maybe it stayed behind with Tubs?
But I think if Tubs gets rid of CTF, the first thing you'll hear is the truth behind this mess. And not from Tubs. Franklin's system worked at UK and Troy against SEC opponents. And those folks who have watched it have said that they do not see Franklin's system being used at AU. Where does that put us? If Tubs fires CTF, would it not be Tubs that should go too?
I still think that if we had hired CTF and some of his guys, this offense would be explosive right now. The short passing game would eat folks alive. I do agree that Caudle should be given a shot. If he understands this crap even a little and can get the ball down field, we could have some success. We only need to get 8 out of the box and we could run our hosses.
Very confusing is the word for AU's offense right now.
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From a lot of the accounts I'm hearing, Auburn is not running CTF's system. They are running something that does not look like anything anyone knows, except it ain't fooling nobody. And if this is the case, Todd is doing great. I can't see any QB actually understanding something that is not the "norm." KB does not get it. Todd is being asked to do more than he is capable. And the OL looks like shit. I finally watched the replay(my 11 yr old played at 7:00) last night and the scoring drives looked good. Then it all went to shit. I don't think I've seen such a porous line in years. On one play 71 did not have anyone to block, so he looked out just as the LB went "right" past him for the sack.
For a couple of years we blamed Borges for being benign. Maybe the offensive problem did not leave with Borges. Maybe it stayed behind with Tubs?
But I think if Tubs gets rid of CTF, the first thing you'll hear is the truth behind this mess. And not from Tubs. Franklin's system worked at UK and Troy against SEC opponents. And those folks who have watched it have said that they do not see Franklin's system being used at AU. Where does that put us? If Tubs fires CTF, would it not be Tubs that should go too?
I still think that if we had hired CTF and some of his guys, this offense would be explosive right now. The short passing game would eat folks alive. I do agree that Caudle should be given a shot. If he understands this crap even a little and can get the ball down field, we could have some success. We only need to get 8 out of the box and we could run our hosses.
Very confusing is the word for AU's offense right now.
Agree with pretty much all of this...I think Franklin may have been put in a position where he not only had to sell the players on the new system, but the offensive position coaches as well. If they don't have complete buy-in (and while they may say outwardly that they do, the truth may not be so simple), then the players will not be sold, either.
Tuberville's loyalty to his offensive assistants that are not coordinators is admirable, but in this case, I think it is a marriage doomed to failure and it may have been past time for some of the position coaches to go.
I just don't believe the true spread offense can be implemented successfully without an entire offensive staff that is familiar with it...ours is not and what you're seeing is a bastardized version of it that just drools on itself and pisses down its leg.
This is just one man's view, but this has been the perfect storm of underperformance and unfamiliarity.
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Okay, gotta' jump in here. WTF is there to understand???? What the hell is so complicated???
People...our QBs are NOT calling plays. They are getting them from the sidelines. The center snaps it to the QB. The receivers run the route they are supposed to run on that play. The linemen block the guy in front of them. This is football, something these guys have been playing all their lives. This "System" has been sold and used by countless HIGH SCHOOLS.
Here, check this out. I talked to a guy at church this morning who graduated two years ago from high school. Franklin came in and taught part of his "System" to their team. Let's take that base running play from the shotgun that we all know and love. The guy tells me this is how complicated it is. First the QB takes the snap...then he reads the defense as the running back crosses in front of him. If they're playing straight up, he hands the ball off. If they flow the way the RB is going, he keeps and goes the opposite direction. Pretty nifty...huh? Wow, now I see why Kodi and Todd aren't grasping this. I'm dizzy from trying to remember all the guy said.
Folks, our offense is standing up like Prarie Dogs and getting the play from the sidelines. Run the freakin' route...you know...the one called for in that play. Block who you are supposed to block...you know...the one called for in the play. Now...Mr. QB...you've got the hard part. Look at the receivers...you know where they are...and pass the ball to the one that's open.
This newfangled spread offense is some wicked complicated shit. Especially for guys who've been playing football all their lives.
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Folks, our offense is standing up like Prarie Dogs and getting the play from the sidelines. Run the freakin' route...you know...the one called for in that play. Block who you are supposed to block...you know...the one called for in the play. Now...Mr. QB...you've got the hard part. Look at the receivers...you know where they are...and pass the ball to the one that's open.
This newfangled spread offense is some wicked complicated shit. Especially for guys who've been playing football all their lives.
Thank you, ding ding ding, we got a winner. Todd, Burns, and the receiving core are not meshing because they 1)lack talent, 2) are confused, and 3) are executing some of the poorest play calling we've seen in a very long time. We need a quicker fix.
The talent is in the backfield with our OLine leading the way (and without an offisides penalty, dammit).
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http://thesystemclinics.com/FranklinDocs/TF_System_Web_Pck.pdf (http://thesystemclinics.com/FranklinDocs/TF_System_Web_Pck.pdf)
TONY FRANKLIN SYSTEM TEACHES EVERYTHING!
Pre-practice “30 second drills” that improve your receivers immensely
4 “noose drill” tips that guarantee success
Red zone scoring tips
How to cut the field in pieces to insure more scoring
5 pat n go techniques that guarantee a great passing game
Guarantee a touchdown every snap
Strip drills that eliminate fumbles
Practice system that emulates game day
Fast and slow screens that guarantee your opponent must stay honest
How to run the ball in the 4th quarter even when you can’t run the ball
Recruiting basketball players as receivers
Daily practice schedules made a year in advance
Coming off the goal-line with total confidence and the ability to score
How to play at a pace so fast your opponent will have trouble getting lined up
Secrets to totally neutralizing great defensive linemen
Quick game system that totally eliminates mistakes
3 change of pace gimmicks
Using 1 snap count that can drive your opponent crazy
Keys to having your quarterback read each route correctly
Why they should fire you if your not filming every practice
Game day pressure call secrets
The back-up qb plan
How and what to implement in the spring
The secret to never having a player miss an assignment again
The secret to practicing screens
Specific calls to beat cover 1,2,3,4, and 0
Defensive recognition and calls
Magic of the mesh route
When and why to tag the post off the y-cross route
How and when your receiver should stem the defender
3 simple release techniques that always work versus press
How to make a script for every decision you make
How to be a physical passing team
Why a new trick play each week
Pass protection schemes against all fronts
well this is what ctf sells why dont i see any of this at the au football games i attend?
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Folks, our offense is standing up like Prarie Dogs and getting the play from the sidelines. Run the freakin' route...you know...the one called for in that play. Block who you are supposed to block...you know...the one called for in the play. Now...Mr. QB...you've got the hard part. Look at the receivers...you know where they are...and pass the ball to the one that's open.
This newfangled spread offense is some wicked complicated shit. Especially for guys who've been playing football all their lives.
100% in agreement.
You know, if our guys are so confused by this complicated shit, maybe they should huddle up instead of the Prairie Dog thing they do. Part of the success in wearing out the Clemson "D" was getting back to the LOS and snapping the damn ball - pretty much running them fat bastards until their tongues were hanging out. Now, this season, we're bumfucking around and taking the snap with 2-3 seconds left on the play clock. Huddle up and get your shit in one sock if you're not going to run rapid fire plays. One of the basic concepts of this system (TF's system) is running ~80 plays a game and wearing the defense down.
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well this is what ctf sells why dont i see any of this at the au football games i attend?
maybe the university only bought the demo version. kinda like teh photoshops for pc's.
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http://thesystemclinics.com/FranklinDocs/TF_System_Web_Pck.pdf (http://thesystemclinics.com/FranklinDocs/TF_System_Web_Pck.pdf)
TONY FRANKLIN SYSTEM TEACHES EVERYTHING!
Pre-practice “30 second drills” that improve your receivers immensely
4 “noose drill” tips that guarantee success
Red zone scoring tips
How to cut the field in pieces to insure more scoring
5 pat n go techniques that guarantee a great passing game
Guarantee a touchdown every snap
Strip drills that eliminate fumbles
Practice system that emulates game day
Fast and slow screens that guarantee your opponent must stay honest
How to run the ball in the 4th quarter even when you can’t run the ball
Recruiting basketball players as receivers
Daily practice schedules made a year in advance
Coming off the goal-line with total confidence and the ability to score
How to play at a pace so fast your opponent will have trouble getting lined up
Secrets to totally neutralizing great defensive linemen
Quick game system that totally eliminates mistakes
3 change of pace gimmicks
Using 1 snap count that can drive your opponent crazy
Keys to having your quarterback read each route correctly
Why they should fire you if your not filming every practice
Game day pressure call secrets
The back-up qb plan
How and what to implement in the spring
The secret to never having a player miss an assignment again
The secret to practicing screens
Specific calls to beat cover 1,2,3,4, and 0
Defensive recognition and calls
Magic of the mesh route
When and why to tag the post off the y-cross route
How and when your receiver should stem the defender
3 simple release techniques that always work versus press
How to make a script for every decision you make
How to be a physical passing team
Why a new trick play each week
Pass protection schemes against all fronts
well this is what ctf sells why dont i see any of this at the au football games i attend?
Ah yes, the noose drill. Best executed (no pun intended) around a certain OC's neck
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Ok, I've received a couple of PM's calling my sobriety into question when I started this thread. I was about 75% sober when I typed that. It was early in the am and I was hungover, but I stand by my assertion that Tubs has to go.
I work in the Risk Management field, and when we have a loss at one of my locations the first thing we try to do is identify the root cause of the incident. The incident in this case is that we have an inept offense. We've had an inept offense for all but 3 of Tuberville's 10 years here (the one year under Petrino, and Borges' first two years). The other 7 years, we've ranked near the bottom of the SEC in offense, regardless of the OC. Why?
The conclusion I've come to is that it's because we have poor-to-average assistant coaches on offense. These are the guys that are loyal to Tuberville, and he is loyal to them in return. They know that there is no danger of losing their jobs, no matter how shitty they perform, because they collectively are 'Tubs' boys.' If the offense tanks, they know that it'll be the OC who will take the fall. This attitude takes competition out of the equation. They don't feel like they have to compete, or even perform at a high level, to keep their jobs. Then Tubs completely changes offensive philosophies, and instead of letting Franklin bring in his own coaches who know the system to help, he is forced to teach the new offense to the coaches, who in turn are going to be teaching it to our players. It's easy to see how there is confusion on offense. To me, this is the root cause of Auburn's woes.
The only way to change this is for a) Tubs to cut his offensive assistant coaches and let Franklin bring his own crew on board, retaining who he wants, or b) Fire Tubs. Since Tubs has been with these guys for the past 15 years, I think he'd have a hard time cutting them. If he was forced by the PTB to cut them, I think Tuberville would begin to lose interest in Auburn (even moreso than he has) and eventually would run the program into the ground on the way to retirement. By firing Tubs, we are cleaning house and starting anew.
The one thing we CAN NOT do, is fire Franklin and just bring in another OC to work with Nall, Ensminger, Knox, etc. It's a recipe for disaster, and we'll be in the same boat again next year.
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Are you an Eye of the Tiger Club Member?
How can you be and post that?
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Are you an Eye of the Tiger Club Member?
How can you be and post that?
I am a supporter of Auburn University. No one man is greater than Auburn.
I guess I'll have to mail my pin in. No more post-game BBQ's for me!
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I am a supporter of Auburn University. No one man is greater than Auburn.
I guess I'll have to mail my pin in. No more post-game BBQ's for me!
You can keep the Bear Force I posters and life size blow-up doll. Those were freebies just for joining.
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I am a supporter of Auburn University. No one man is greater than Auburn.
I guess I'll have to mail my pin in. No more post-game BBQ's for me!
I resigned back in June/July.
There was a movement afoot to keep me, but a sorry ass SOB killed it.
I wish he would return to the Alabama roots that spawned him.
He is worthless in mine eyes.
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I resigned back in June/July.
There was a movement afoot to keep me, but a sorry ass SOB killed it.
I wish he would return to the Alabama roots that spawned him.
He is worthless in mine eyes.
You should have known better than to try an go up against The Machine that is Bear Force 1.
Don't you know he's had his picture made with Tommy Tuberville? Rumor has it that he's even seen Tuberville's office.
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You should have known better than to try an go up against The Machine that is Bear Force 1.
Don't you know he's had his picture made with Tommy Tuberville? Rumor has it that he's even seen Tuberville's office.
How can a Drill Press be so well connected?? :blink:
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You should have known better than to try an go up against The Machine that is Bear Force 1.
Don't you know he's had his picture made with Tommy Tuberville? Rumor has it that he's even seen Tuberville's office.
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is that one of those subtle posts again?
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His quote of that quote says it all.
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Have another drink Bugg.
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You should have known better than to try an go up against The Machine that is Bear Force 1.
Don't you know he's had his picture made with Tommy Tuberville? Rumor has it that he's even seen Tuberville's penis.
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is that one of those subtle posts again?
He has been taking posting tips from Jumbo.
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He has been taking posting tips from Jumbo.
well, jumbo did post before him.
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who's jumbo, what does he have to do with the lack of offense?
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"Jumbo" is the two tight end package we used to not score against Vandy on the goal line. But then, Jumbo has a tight end from what Chop said.
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Yeah. Prowler wasn't able to do anything with it. I only saw it on a video from YouPorn that Chad posted. Very disturbing.
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Amen! If Franklin goes; then Knox, Nall, Ensminger, and Gran should be right behind him. The blame for this catastrophe should not be hitched to Tony Franklin's wagon alone. This a collective, group cluster-fuck and I say fire one - fire them all.
Could it be that the coaches don't like one another or that they all hate Franklin? I have heard that he is egotistical.
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Could it be that the coaches don't like one another or that they all hate Franklin? I have heard that he is egotistical.
I doubt that they dislike each other, because they have been together too long now (position coaches that is). So my guess is that they don't like the stinky guy in the bigger office. I'm just assuming that Franklin stinks, because of the way he looks, you know, like he doesn't like water and soap. Bet that motherfucker doesn't use deodorant either.
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Have another drink Bugg.
It was a wild night in Nassiriyah.