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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: AUChizad on April 17, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
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So Richard Spencer, the self-proclaimed white nationalist who set off the whole "punching Nazis" meme when this happened:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Ex0h0heuV5fqFeU/giphy.gif)
For some reason decided he was going to be speaking at Auburn tomorrow.
At first Auburn took what I thought was completely the right approach, IMO.
http://ocm.auburn.edu/newsroom/news_articles/2017/04/auburn-university-statement-on-richard-spencer.htm
We strongly deplore his views, which run counter to those of this institution. While his event isn’t affiliated with the university, Auburn supports the constitutional right to free speech. We encourage the campus community to respond to speech they find objectionable with their own views in civil discourse and to do so with respect and inclusion.
I think that's the right approach. Condemn it, but allow it. Encourage people to either ignore it or PEACEFULLY protest and/or engage with him.
I saw a lot of people on Twitter respond negatively. A lot of people saying they were withdrawing any support from the university for "supporting" the guy (even though they made it pretty clear IMO that they don't support him).
They caved to pressure and then this happened.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/auburn-white-nationalists?utm_term=.wsqvBRvKd#.rdbGonGXb
Now Spencer's showing up anyway and goading his followers to "stand up" against oppression of whites.
https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/853834737697267712
Did you see all the action in #Berkeley. Come to Auburn University on Tuesday and join the White Bloc
And then you have Antifa, who were all over the news this weekend for destroying Berkeley. They're the ones that burned the place down over Milo as well. And perpetuated many many other violent riots.
https://twitter.com/afainatl/status/853098665187184641
Updated call. Spread far and wide! Be at Auburn University on Tuesday and stand up to racist intimidation!
DEFEND AUBURN! 6PM - APRIL 18TH - FOY HALL! NO NAZIS IN OUR TOWN!
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This is very, very, very bad.
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They are just caring for each other...
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The first approach was the right one. Let him come and either protest peacefully or ignore his dumb ass altogether. Start some shit and he gets EXACTLY what he wants out of this.
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I completely disagree with the "shut it down" protesters. I don't see how you can promote tolerance and inclusiveness when you practice intolerance and exclusivity.
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So, they stop this idiot from speaking but allow Maxine Waters. How is this fair?
It's not. Let both morons speak and let people "peacefully" demonstrate. Problem is, if it's going to cost us a bunch of money in security. That's where it gets hairy.
Would be best of people just stayed at the house. I will.
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I completely disagree with the "shut it down" protesters. I don't see how you can promote tolerance and inclusiveness when you practice intolerance and exclusivity.
Your white privilege is showing.
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Your white privilege is showing.
Sorry. It won't stay in my shorts.
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There's nothing to fear, Donnie, these men are cowards.
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I just came her to post an article about this. I haven't been checking the board much because I've been focusing on making the grades to finally graduate (only 3 more weeks, thank god).
Now on to this loser and the losers that plan to protest... I am very disappointed in Auburn University's students. Y'all would think Hitler himself is coming to speak on campus tomorrow. Now I'm no fan of this Spencer guy, but I don't have a problem with him coming to speak. College is a time when ideas are supposed to be presented to us that we don't agree with. Instead, a majority of students feel "threatened" somebody is coming to speak about ideas they don't see as mainstream. He's not going to hang, stone, behead, or throw anyone off of buildings like a radical Islamist would do to me. He's just giving a goddamn speech. The students believe they are freedom fighters because they have "stopped" Auburn from letting this hate fill their campus. The way I see it, they are the fascists... They saw an idea being presented they don't agree with, and they have to shut it down. Why don't these students go and intellectually challenge the man? He preaches white power for god's sake. It wouldn't be hard to debate the man and make him look like a fool. Instead, the snowflakes run to big dadddy government (the university in this case) to make sure they don't have to actually hear different viewpoints. They're a bunch of pussies. Snags has more balls than the people I go to school with!!
Now on to Auburn... Fuck them for succumbing to the Antifa's demands. They had the chance to say we stand with all forms of speech. Instead, they basically said, "We agree with all forms of speech that we deem okay." That's not the fucking first amendment. And this is a publicly funded university so I expect them to follow the constitution. They're just a bunch of pussies too.
So y'all, free speech on college campuses is dead. It's a sad world we live in.
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I just came her to post an article about this. I haven't been checking the board much because I've been focusing on making the grades to finally graduate (only 3 more weeks, thank god).
Now on to this loser and the losers that plan to protest... I am very disappointed in Auburn University's students. Y'all would think Hitler himself is coming to speak on campus tomorrow. Now I'm no fan of this Spencer guy, but I don't have a problem with him coming to speak. College is a time when ideas are supposed to be presented to us that we don't agree with. Instead, a majority of students feel "threatened" somebody is coming to speak about ideas they don't see as mainstream. He's not going to hang, stone, behead, or throw anyone off of buildings like a radical Islamist would do to me. He's just giving a goddamn speech. The students believe they are freedom fighters because they have "stopped" Auburn from letting this hate fill their campus. The way I see it, they are the fascists... They saw an idea being presented they don't agree with, and they have to shut it down. Why don't these students go and intellectually challenge the man? He preaches white power for god's sake. It wouldn't be hard to debate the man and make him look like a fool. Instead, the snowflakes run to big dadddy government (the university in this case) to make sure they don't have to actually hear different viewpoints. They're a bunch of pussies. Snags has more balls than the people I go to school with!!
Now on to Auburn... Fuck them for succumbing to the Antifa's demands. They had the chance to say we stand with all forms of speech. Instead, they basically said, "We agree with all forms of speech that we deem okay." That's not the fucking first amendment. And this is a publicly funded university so I expect them to follow the constitution. They're just a bunch of pussies too.
So y'all, free speech on college campuses is dead. It's a sad world we live in.
^^Troof. Makes a lot of sense.
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Agree with Chad. He doesn't exactly preach my views but it is a right as long as he is not impeding or threatening someone else's. It's free speech. Not popular speech. Not political correct speech. Auburn is a public land grant university. They need to allow it.
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I completely disagree with the "shut it down" protesters. I don't see how you can promote tolerance and inclusiveness when you practice intolerance and exclusivity.
Read this yesterday: Fascism will reappear today in the form of anti-fascism.
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The first approach was the right one. Let him come and either protest peacefully or ignore his dumb ass altogether. Start some shit and he gets EXACTLY what he wants out of this.
This was the case back in the day. If somebody came that I didn't agree with, I ignored it.
Now mind you. If it was between beer and whoever....
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There's nothing to fear, Donnie, these men are cowards.
These men are nihilists
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I don't know how they select speakers. I assume they pay to come sometimes but AU has the right to refuse.
When I was there, Greenpeace guy was speaking in the Haley Center. I was invited by a chick in my class. I was into politics but I could learn for her. I went and actually learned a lot. Watched video of Greenpeace people battling ships. I forget what for. But I watched it all. It's been a long time.
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I don't know how they select speakers. I assume they pay to come sometimes but AU has the right to refuse.
When I was there, Greenpeace guy was speaking in the Haley Center. I was invited by a chick in my class. I was into politics but I could learn for her. I went and actually learned a lot. Watched video of Greenpeace people battling ships. I forget what for. But I watched it all. It's been a long time.
Tree hugging, hippie freak.
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Tree hugging, hippie freak.
Far out, man.
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Tree hugging, hippie freak.
It was Wiregrass you were responding to, not Nook.
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I don't know how they select speakers. I assume they pay to come sometimes but AU has the right to refuse.
When I was there, Greenpeace guy was speaking in the Haley Center. I was invited by a chick in my class. I was into politics but I could learn for her. I went and actually learned a lot. Watched video of Greenpeace people battling ships. I forget what for. But I watched it all. It's been a long time.
He paid $700 to use Foy, or someone did for him. I suspect this guy Hunter Wallace AKA Brad Griffin did it. Apparently, he's an Auburn Grad. And a real piece of shit.
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He paid $700 to use Foy, or someone did for him. I suspect this guy Hunter Wallace AKA Brad Griffin did it. Apparently, he's an Auburn Grad. And a real piece of shit.
I guess he's coming anyway. Possibly speaking in the "free speech zone".
One wouldn't think we'd need a zone for this.
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I guess he's coming anyway. Possibly speaking in the "free speech zone".
One wouldn't think we'd need a zone for this.
The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
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The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Only dumbasses would stop there.
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The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Listen, Betty. Don't start up with your white zone shit again.
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Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
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Only dumbasses would stop there.
Or their friends
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Listen, Betty. Don't start up with your white zone shit again.
Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend? We both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
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Federal court ruled they have to let him use Foy.
http://www.oanow.com/news/auburn/updated-p-m-with-court-ruling-allowing-use-of-foy/article_74c38574-23bc-11e7-b1ae-2f4e76775b88.html
More proof that Auburn's first response was the correct one.
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Federal court ruled they have to let him use Foy.
http://www.oanow.com/news/auburn/updated-p-m-with-court-ruling-allowing-use-of-foy/article_74c38574-23bc-11e7-b1ae-2f4e76775b88.html
More proof that Auburn's first response was the correct one.
It's the right one.
If not we go down a very slippery slope with free speech.
Ward Churchill, Michael Moore, Iranian leader ahmenejad, bill ayers - all have spoken at colleges. All could be considered as bad or worse than spencer. All should be allowed to as long as they are not hurting anyone, impeding anyone's right or threatening anyone. Period.
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Let him speak. Let the people protest. Just stay the fuck away from Toomer's Corner.
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Looks like the First Amendment wins again.
Kudos to Auburn for showing how to combat idiocy.
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Looks like the First Amendment wins again.
Kudos to Auburn for showing how to combat idiocy.
Mmm yeah, Auburn was forced to allow him to speak by a judge. Without the judge's order, the speaking engagement likely doesn't happen.
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Mmm yeah, Auburn was forced to allow him to speak by a judge. Without the judge's order, the speaking engagement likely doesn't happen.
Yeah was wondering where Wes was going with that too. Auburn tried to shut it down. I didn't agree with that. In a rare moment I agree with you. Let both him and the protestors do their thing as long as they aren't hurting anyone else or impeding the public right of way (blocking people, causing traffic jams, etc).
Although they did go to toomers. Not cool!
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What I meant was the counter-speech was effective in shutting down the idiocy.
That's how the 1st should work.
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What I meant was the counter-speech was effective in shutting down the idiocy.
That's how the 1st should work.
Gotcha. And agree as far as both sides being allowed the same free speech opportunity and letting the chips fall.
I'll go a bit farther even. The media and auburn both made this thing a bigger deal than it ever should have been. If they had allowed it and the media had shut their traps, he probably would have been speaking to a dozen people in that room.
But now it's a national story, he will be a martyr to many on his side, his movement will grow and that room was full of people. Total opposite effect of what they probably wanted. Well the media was probably ok with it because controversy sells and they would throw their mothers off a cliff to get a few extra page clicks.
But you get my drift.
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What I meant was the counter-speech was effective in shutting down the idiocy.
That's how the 1st should work.
It's not your job to tell me how anything should work, mister.
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What I meant was the counter-speech was effective in shutting down the idiocy.
That's how the 1st should work.
Agree.
Auburn did the right thing before they didn't before they were forced to. But once that happened, he was allowed to speak. The students challenged him in the Q&A. They all came together to chant Auburn fight songs. They clowned on the Nazis AND the Commies. Spencer revealed himself to be the idiot he is. Anyone who maybe thought he might have had a few good ideas likely quickly turned on him when he started ranting about how SEC football should be banned.
There is something truly sick, I have to say, about bringing in to a school, a school like Auburn that has a history of white identity, to bring in people, who let’s be frank, are not the greatest exemplars of the African race [crowd moans and reacts] if we want to judge them by their character, we want to judge them by their commitment to being student-athletes, they are absolutely not great exemplars of the African race.
For alumnae of this institution to be funding these kinds of programs, to be bringing in people they have nothing in common with, that they would not allow into their homes, people who walk around campus like they own it, who engage in all sorts of activities including sexual abuse of white women on campus. [applause] The notion that that is some great source of identity, well, call me a little bit skeptical.
[crowd yells over each other]
We lose ourselves in these false identities. [more yelling]. We lose ourselves in this false identity of something like football, this billion dollar circus that we want to substitute for something real, that we want to substitute for our homes and our families, that we want to substitute for our senses of ourselves. Yes, that is absolutely sick. Yes, if I could wave a magic wand, I would absolutely ban football.
But I think this, this embrace of something as sick as the Southern football industry, the SEC and all this stuff, something as sick as that, we are covering up some hole in ourselves. We are rooting on people that you have no connection to, that don’t represent you–they don’t represent you–you’re rooting on this sick industry to substitute for that hole in yourself. … instead they’ve substituted some disgusting bullshit football game.
Protests were kept peaceful. Police maintained order by handling the few squirmishes that did try to seep through. It was basically a clinic on why free speech is ALWAYS the best solution.
Also this:
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/04/18/auburn-takes-berkeley-to-school-as-police-unmask-anti-fascists-outside-richard-spencer-speech/
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You know what? This guy is changing my mind about this silly game called football and how it degrades our school. I'm not going to be part of something like that.
Let's protest football!
C'mon! Who's with me guys!
Guys?......Hello?
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Protests were kept peaceful. Police maintained order by handling the few squirmishes that did try to seep through. It was basically a clinic on why free speech is ALWAYS the best solution.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/51/51cf138838443759fcc3d5e2fc05774b803469a9999ebafac2c7578a07985dc6.jpg)
al.com had big pictures of people being beaten bloody by police on the front page last night and today.
(http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width960/img/news_impact/photo/richard-spencer-protest-04e5bc8909dc71ce.png)
I mean they couldn't have dramatized it to make Auburn look worse. That's not how they roll.
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Agree.
Auburn did the right thing before they didn't before they were forced to. But once that happened, he was allowed to speak. The students challenged him in the Q&A. They all came together to chant Auburn fight songs. They clowned on the Nazis AND the Commies. Spencer revealed himself to be the idiot he is. Anyone who maybe thought he might have had a few good ideas likely quickly turned on him when he started ranting about how SEC football should be banned.
Protests were kept peaceful. Police maintained order by handling the few squirmishes that did try to seep through. It was basically a clinic on why free speech is ALWAYS the best solution.
Also this:
http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/04/18/auburn-takes-berkeley-to-school-as-police-unmask-anti-fascists-outside-richard-spencer-speech/
So once again in another round about kind of way - the "free market" way won (albeit no money involved).
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(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/51/51cf138838443759fcc3d5e2fc05774b803469a9999ebafac2c7578a07985dc6.jpg)
al.com had big pictures of people being beaten bloody by police on the front page last night and today.
(http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width960/img/news_impact/photo/richard-spencer-protest-04e5bc8909dc71ce.png)
I mean they couldn't have dramatized it to make Auburn look worse. That's not how they roll.
What do you think?
OF COURSE they did that. There was a total of one fight and three arrests. The fight lasted about 10 seconds and was swiftly shut down by the cops. The third party was some Antifa girl trying to dogpile the fight with a padlock wrapped in a bandanna.
This is the extent of the "violence".
https://youtu.be/Fwpm7xC8htk
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What do you think?
OF COURSE they did that. There was a total of one fight and three arrests. The fight lasted about 10 seconds and was swiftly shut down by the cops. The third party was some Antifa girl trying to dogpile the fight with a padlock wrapped in a bandanna.
Facetious, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
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Is that Wes beating the snare drum?
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Facetious, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
I'm Antiface
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Facetious, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
Is it sad I can't tell who the hippie left wing radicals are and who the neo right wing radicals are in that fight?
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From the Al.com article:
Conservatives also came out to show support for Spencer's free speech rights. One conservative who was waiting to attend the event and who identified himself only as Chad, wore a helmet in order to avoid being injured by any rocks that "the other side" might throw if the event descended into chaos.
"We're here to support free speech and defend it because, you know, if that's gone for anybody - whether you agree with them or not - they still have the right to speech, and its a slippery slope once you get rid of that," he said.
A Trump supporter who also identified himself only as Chad was holding an American flag as he waited in line for Spencer's speech.
"I think it's important for everybody, even people who are on opposite ends of the political spectrum as me, to be able to come out and speak," he said.
"If people want to hear Mr. Spencer speak, they should be able to do that and he should be able to speak. This is America, it's not the Soviet Union."
Hmmmm. Good idea Chad. Those hippies get violent.
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This isn't Russia, is it?
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From the Al.com article:
Hmmmm. Good idea Chad. Those hippies get violent.
I learned this week that "Chad Nationalists" are a 4Chan meme. Code for white. Chad Ochocinco, Chad Johnson, Chad Coleman, Chad Dawson, and myself do not approve.
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I learned this week that "Chad Nationalists" are a 4Chan meme. Code for white. Chad Ochocinco, Chad Johnson, Chad Coleman, Chad Dawson, and myself do not approve.
So you are saying you were the one with the flag and not the one with the helmet?
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So you are saying you were the one with the flag and not the one with the helmet?
We are all Neegan. I mean Chad. Except Chad is more Eugene.
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Turns out padlock girl was a padlock guy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhFUIAQCI3z.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhHUMAAuwSD.jpg)
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Turns out padlock girl was a padlock guy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhFUIAQCI3z.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhHUMAAuwSD.jpg)
Was he/she identifying as a guy yesterday? No? Well then you should stop being so insensitive.
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Turns out padlock girl was a padlock guy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhFUIAQCI3z.jpg)
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Now that we know this, would you tap that?
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I just wonder what the cops are saying.
Hey, I got a tat just like that on my left ass cheek.
You got whut?
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I wrote this.
https://medium.com/@AUChizad/auburn-university-provided-the-blueprint-for-how-to-handle-controversial-campus-speakers-8fde82cecf84
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I wrote this.
https://medium.com/@AUChizad/auburn-university-provided-the-blueprint-for-how-to-handle-controversial-campus-speakers-8fde82cecf84
Nice article Chad. It pisses me off that the media absolutely instigates this BS with propaganda for ratings. The media WANTS Berkley. They WANT Ferguson. They WANT Baltimore.
Everything about that situation was handled perfectly.
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Nice article Chad. It pisses me off that the media absolutely instigates this BS with propaganda for ratings. The media WANTS Berkley. They WANT Ferguson. They WANT Baltimore.
Everything about that situation was handled perfectly.
Yeah, and for once the pigs didn't needlessly shoot a brother. Fight the power.
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Yeah, and for once the pigs didn't needlessly shoot a brother. Fight the power.
Only because there wasn't a brother there.
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Turns out padlock girl was a padlock guy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhFUIAQCI3z.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9y1BhHUMAAuwSD.jpg)
Um...yeah. Turns out Zhe is from my town too. Local news reported it as "Trussville person arrested in Auburn."
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Um...yeah. Turns out Zhe is from my town too. Local news reported it as "Trussville person arrested in Auburn."
Well, at least we know zhe is not the first from T'ville to be sent to the clinker on the plains.
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Um...yeah. Turns out Zhe is from my town too. Local news reported it as "Trussville person arrested in Auburn."
Prowler's from Trussville?
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Lets see how this plays out...and how Al dot com later portrays it.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20180329/ua-student-group-plans-to-host-white-nationalist-speaker