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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Ogre on May 03, 2016, 10:51:20 AM
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Should Trump clinch the nomination today I know who I'm supporting:
Meet Austin Petersen (http://www.austinpetersen2016.com), Libertarian candidate.
I don't care if he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I refuse to hold my nose this election and vote for a leftist (either Trump or Hillary).
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Should Trump clinch the nomination today I know who I'm supporting:
Meet Austin Petersen (http://www.austinpetersen2016.com), Libertarian candidate.
I don't care if he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I refuse to hold my nose this election and vote for a leftist (either Trump or Hillary).
I prefer Johnson, but he's ok too.
McAffee's a bit of a nutbag.
My only thing with Petersen is he doesn't have anywhere near the experience and success in government that Johnson has and he's like, my age. Everything he says kind of sounds like it was scripted off a bumper sticker or something. Can't really explain it, but he kind of comes off as sort of...bottomfeeder-ish. If Johnson has no shot, Petersen damn sure doesn't. Especially if Petersen continues to gain steam and split the libertarian vote...
And every day that passes where no one is talking about a third party candidate at all, their chances of making an actual dent are exponentially decreasing. Thanks to people like Kaos who dare not acknowledge him as legitimate making that a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Guess I'll have to vote for Hillary. Thanks, K.
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McAffee's a bit of a nutbag.
So, he's just like Snags.
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So, he's just like Snags.
Negative....Snags has no nutts in his bag.
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I prefer Johnson, but he's ok too.
McAffee's a bit of a nutbag.
My only thing with Petersen is he doesn't have anywhere near the experience and success in government that Johnson has and he's like, my age. Everything he says kind of sounds like it was scripted off a bumper sticker or something. Can't really explain it, but he kind of comes off as sort of...bottomfeeder-ish. If Johnson has no shot, Petersen damn sure doesn't. Especially if Petersen continues to gain steam and split the libertarian vote...
And every day that passes where no one is talking about a third party candidate at all, their chances of making an actual dent are exponentially decreasing. Thanks to people like Kaos who dare not acknowledge him as legitimate making that a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Guess I'll have to vote for Hillary. Thanks, K.
Yep
Will. Not. Vote. For. Trump.
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Negative....Snags has no nutts in his bag.
Technically, it is still a nutt bag, is the point that I was attempting to make. You are correct that it is a nuttless sack. All shriveled up, loose skin and gray pubes last I saw. I mean, heard.
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Technically, it is still a nutt bag, is the point that I was attempting to make. You are correct that it is a nuttless sack. All shriveled up, loose skin and gray pubes last I saw. I mean, heard.
I shave my sack so how would you know what color they are/were?
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Should Trump clinch the nomination today I know who I'm supporting:
Meet Austin Petersen (http://www.austinpetersen2016.com), Libertarian candidate.
I don't care if he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I refuse to hold my nose this election and vote for a leftist (either Trump or Hillary).
Then you should take your kids to the park that day.
No offense but protest votes don't do anything. I've made them too. Was just a waste. Would have better spent my time in other ways.
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Yep
Will. Not. Vote. For. Trump.
I find it interesting that my intelligence is questioned when I draw the same line in the sand against a murderer of American citizens, a proven liar, a power mad shrew and a resounding failure at everything she's done in public life.
Yet somehow THIS whackadoodle stance is considered "sane and rational".
I don't understand how you can claim to have American values, claim to support law and order, claim to admire the Americsn work ethic and still support that braying whore in any fashion. I have a hard time respecting anyone's decision to consider voting for her. I've yet to see a valid reason to do so other than "I'm scared of trump because he has a big pee pee"
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I find it interesting that my intelligence is questioned when I draw the same line in the sand against a murderer of American citizens, a proven liar, a power mad shrew and a resounding failure at everything she's done in public life.
Yet somehow THIS whackadoodle stance is considered "sane and rational".
I don't understand how you can claim to have American values, claim to support law and order, claim to admire the Americsn work ethic and still support that braying whore in any fashion. I have a hard time respecting anyone's decision to consider voting for her. I've yet to see a valid reason to do so other than "I'm scared of trump because he has a big pee pee"
I don't question yours honestly. I know you. You aren't stupid. We just disagree on trump. No biggie. It's most of his other supporters I question. Like the rednecks in the Cruz video.
Sorry but I have to vote my conscience. I'm not at ease voting for trump. I can't do it. I've done my homework on the guy. And I just can't.
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I don't question yours honestly. I know you. You aren't stupid. We just disagree on trump. No biggie. It's most of his other supporters I question. Like the rednecks in the Cruz video.
Sorry but I have to vote my conscience. I'm not at ease voting for trump. I can't do it. I've done my homework on the guy. And I just can't.
Need to do some on Hillary. My revulsion for her goes back to people I know why we're in the Arkansss legislature and knew her and wild bill well. They are crooks. They are uncouth. They are reviled. I also have a friend who worked with a guy in their White House detail. The things he told us about their disrespect for the office and for people in general -- her more so than him -- would sear your brain.
They are terrible people. The worst of what the political system vomits up.
Worse than anything Trump could ever do.
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I don't question yours honestly. I know you. You aren't stupid. We just disagree on trump. No biggie. It's most of his other supporters I question. Like the rednecks in the Cruz video.
Sorry but I have to vote my conscience. I'm not at ease voting for trump. I can't do it. I've done my homework on the guy. And I just can't.
You have that convenience, as the state you live in will nullify your vote for Hitlary anyway.
Its those like you that would prefer Hitlary to Trump in other states that will end up screwing us.
I find it amazing that there must be zero rednecks that follow Cruz...
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You have that convenience, as the state you live in will nullify your vote for Hitlary anyway.
Its those like you that would prefer Hitlary to Trump in other states that will end up screwing us.
I find it amazing that there must be zero rednecks that follow Cruz...
The state I live in doesn't even cross my mind. I would do it regardless.
I don't prefer her. I prefer neither. So neither it will be. Take any one of those libertarian guys and I align with them much more than I ever will on Hillary or Donald. All I'm saying by Hillary getting it is the byproduct of it may benefit the country in the long run by really waking people up. That is what happened in 76 and 80. Call it collateral damage but it's what happens.
I'm sure Cruz does have some crazies. No doubt. I think they all do. But the the things like that are in that video. Trumps folks are the only ones I've seen on the GOP side that do that on a regular basis. I get the anger. It's warranted. But that's not how we do things as a country. Even our revolutionary guys did this in a stately methodical manner when something dire was needed. Trump and much of his ilk has taken the narrative down to a 4th grade level name calling shit fest. Sorry but I want no part of that.
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Need to do some on Hillary. My revulsion for her goes back to people I know why we're in the Arkansss legislature and knew her and wild bill well. They are crooks. They are uncouth. They are reviled. I also have a friend who worked with a guy in their White House detail. The things he told us about their disrespect for the office and for people in general -- her more so than him -- would sear your brain.
They are terrible people. The worst of what the political system vomits up.
Worse than anything Trump could ever do.
Agree.
They are scum of the earth. Always have been. Just getting sick of the lesser of two evils choice we keep getting. This will be the first year that I don't make that choice.
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The state I live in doesn't even cross my mind. I would do it regardless.
I don't prefer her. I prefer neither. So neither it will be. Take any one of those libertarian guys and I align with them much more than I ever will on Hillary or Donald. All I'm saying by Hillary getting it is the byproduct of it may benefit the country in the long run by really waking people up. That is what happened in 76 and 80. Call it collateral damage but it's what happens.
I'm sure Cruz does have some crazies. No doubt. I think they all do. But the the things like that are in that video. Trumps folks are the only ones I've seen on the GOP side that do that on a regular basis. I get the anger. It's warranted. But that's not how we do things as a country. Even our revolutionary guys did this in a stately methodical manner when something dire was needed. Trump and much of his ilk has taken the narrative down to a 4th grade level name calling shit fest. Sorry but I want no part of that.
Trump people are the only?
I guess those sees trump supporters shutting down the interstate trying to prevent him from making s campaign stop in Arizona.
Those were his people heckling him at his events. His people brawling with his people at his rallies. His people rushing the stage. His people throwing things at his people. His people taking down signs and crying because somebody wrote his name in chalk.
Trump's people the only? That's a really outlandish statement to make. And it seems to be only true in the reverse. Trump supporters have -- as far as what I've seen -- been the most civil despite the steady stream of vitriol spewed their way.
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Trump people are the only?
I guess those sees trump supporters shutting down the interstate trying to prevent him from making s campaign stop in Arizona.
Those were his people heckling him at his events. His people brawling with his people at his rallies. His people rushing the stage. His people throwing things at his people. His people taking down signs and crying because somebody wrote his name in chalk.
Trump's people the only? That's a really outlandish statement to make. And it seems to be only true in the reverse. Trump supporters have -- as far as what I've seen -- been the most civil despite the steady stream of vitriol spewed their way.
Reread the entire phrase hoss
"...on the GOP side"
Just about all of those you mention are Bernie supporters. I don't see Carson or Cruz or Rubio or Kasich people doing these things in public. I say that because Cct brought up Cruz possibly having crazies. Read the entire context of my response. You're a writer. Surely you see what I am meaning.
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Reread the entire phrase hoss
"...on the GOP side"
Just about all of those you mention are Bernie supporters. I don't see Carson or Cruz or Rubio or Kasich people doing these things in public. I say that because Cct brought up Cruz possibly having crazies. Read the entire context of my response. You're a writer. Surely you see what I am meaning.
I'm too busy bending over for Trump to see much.
The more I see of Cruz the less I like him. Weak chin, looking all like he feels sorry for me. No thanks.
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Should Trump clinch the nomination today I know who I'm supporting:
Meet Austin Petersen (http://www.austinpetersen2016.com), Libertarian candidate.
I don't care if he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I refuse to hold my nose this election and vote for a leftist (either Trump or Hillary).
You are playing right in to the GOP hands. But whatever. Trump is as outside as it gets and it scares career politicians as much as it does people like you. I don't get it.
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This whole race is disheartening. In just the little I've seen and read today alone, Hillary was backtracking and saying she was taken out of context when she specifically said (And laughing while she said it) "We're going to put coal miners out of a job and coal companies out of business." Yeah, that's pretty ambiguous wording."
Next, Cruz is firing off insults at almost a Trump-esque level, while Trump continues to reference a National Enquirer story that Cruz' father posed for a picture with Lee Harvey Oswald. The Enquirer? Really? Well, The Enquirer did have the inside scoop on Prince's death from AIDS. Or were they the ones claiming he was murdered? Wait...an overdose?
I've finally given in to the inevitability of this country going completely in the shitter no matter which one of these clowns gets in.
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I've finally given in to the inevitability of this country going completely in the shootter no matter which one of these clowns gets in.
This is where I've been since about 2006.
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I've finally given in to the inevitability of this country going completely in the shitter no matter which one of these clowns gets in.
The candidate most people on this board apparently are voting for is just giving us the express lane rather than the slow decay, so at least there's that...
:suicide:
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You are playing right in to the GOP hands. But whatever. Trump is as outside as it gets and it scares career politicians as much as it does people like you. I don't get it.
So I'm playing right into the GOP's hands by not voting for the GOP frontrunner?
All cards on the table - I am a conservative independent voter. I don't ascribe to any party. I vote based on ideas and what a candidate's core values are. I've looked at Trump and I absolutely loathe what I see. I equally loathe Hillary. I refuse to pick between them because to me, they are identically awful choices.
Trump is not an outsider. He's crooked crony capitalism personified. Crony capitalism exists between politicians and businessmen who have enough money to sway political favor. Clinton is the politician side of the crony capitalism coin. Trump is the businessman side. I don't have to flip the coin.
I've finally given in to the inevitability of this country going completely in the shootter no matter which one of these clowns gets in.
This x 1000.
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So I'm playing right into the GOP's hands by not voting for the GOP frontrunner?
All cards on the table - I am a conservative independent voter. I don't ascribe to any party. I vote based on ideas and what a candidate's core values are. I've looked at Trump and I absolutely loathe what I see. I equally loathe Hillary. I refuse to pick between them because to me, they are identically awful choices.
Trump is not an outsider. He's crooked crony capitalism personified. Crony capitalism exists between politicians and businessmen who have enough money to sway political favor. Clinton is the politician side of the crony capitalism coin. Trump is the businessman side. I don't have to flip the coin.
This x 1000.
^^^This shit right here.
For me the only tie-breaker is that Hillary can at least find Afghanistan on a map and is not a complete and utter clown. Trump knows shit about shit except how to bullshit and manipulate idiots, in which he is a genius.
I also don't get "You are playing right into the GOP's hands" from the people that are telling me "VOTE GOP NO MATTER WHAT COMPLETE BUFFOON THEY RUN". YOU people are the partisan goose-stepping drones, not Ogre or GH2001 or me for voting on principle rather than whether or not an R is displayed after their name...
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^^^This shit right here.
For me the only tie-breaker is that Hillary can at least find Afghanistan on a map and is not a complete and utter clown. Trump knows shit about shit except how to bullshit and manipulate idiots, in which he is a genius.
I also don't get "You are playing right into the GOP's hands" from the people that are telling me "VOTE GOP NO MATTER WHAT COMPLETE BUFFOON THEY RUN". YOU people are the partisan goose-stepping drones, not Ogre or GH2001 or me for voting on principle rather than whether or not an R is displayed after their name...
To bad she couldn't find Libya.
I am at the point of not giving two shits about the process, but when your in charge and you leave Americans to die on foreign soil you are not worthy of leading the Armed forces.
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Trump supporters have -- as far as what I've seen -- been the most civil despite the steady stream of vitriol spewed their way.
John
Franklin
McGraw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
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^^^This shit right here.
For me the only tie-breaker is that Hillary can at least find Afghanistan on a map and is not a complete and utter clown. Trump knows shit about shit except how to bullshit and manipulate idiots, in which he is a genius.
I also don't get "You are playing right into the GOP's hands" from the people that are telling me "VOTE GOP NO MATTER WHAT COMPLETE BUFFOON THEY RUN". YOU people are the partisan goose-stepping drones, not Ogre or GH2001 or me for voting on principle rather than whether or not an R is displayed after their name...
Her being able to find it on a map is a bad thing. She will make it worse.
She's Midas in reverse.
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To bad she couldn't find Libya.
I am at the point of not giving two shits about the process, but when your in charge and you leave Americans to die on foreign soil you are not worthy of leading the Armed forces.
Don't matter to them. Don't you know we Need a cleansing so the next Reagan can magically pop out of someones ass!
Truthfully, the whining against Trump is just white noise right now. The people on here claiming how pious they are will have no affect on the outcome.
The South will go to Trump. It's the swing States that matter!
WV and PA with their coal mines might be in play. Those will be huge! Unless they are so pious as to give up their jobs so we can get the next Reagan...
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John
Franklin
McGraw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
One
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One
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A counter to your bullshit about Trump supporters being the rational voices of reason despite all the bullying they're receiving. One is all it takes.
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^^^This shit right here.
For me the only tie-breaker is that Hillary can at least find Afghanistan on a map and is not a complete and utter clown. Trump knows shit about shit except how to bullshit and manipulate idiots, in which he is a genius.
I also don't get "You are playing right into the GOP's hands" from the people that are telling me "VOTE GOP NO MATTER WHAT COMPLETE BUFFOON THEY RUN". YOU people are the partisan goose-stepping drones, not Ogre or GH2001 or me for voting on principle rather than whether or not an R is displayed after their name...
Whole heartedly agree with this. This election would've turned out a lot different if people would have voted their principles and not just been "angry".
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John
Franklin
McGraw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU3FLZgIhc
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So these pictures are from California, Arizona and New York. But you think Trump supporters are the problem?
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Another gasp of hope?
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/04/google-searches-for-libertarian-party-su
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Another gasp of hope?
http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/04/google-searches-for-libertarian-party-su
Gasps as we are strangled. Everything sucks. Fuck this world and everything in it.
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So these pictures are from California, Arizona and New York. But you think Trump supporters are the problem?
No doubt that is sickening to see. I don't disagree. But they are not mutually exclusive. Both wrong.
On another note unrelated to your post (which is at least coherent - credit where due), somehow it's become cool on the GOP side to demonize Reagan in a condescending tone like cct has. No one is saying they want Hillary. I've repeated this ten damn times. Wanting it, and thinking it may be what will be the end result are two different things. No one wants Hillary. Someone on here may but I do not. But I think right now - TODAY - she has the edge. And I can see 1976/1980 happening all over again with trump/cruz-rubio/hillary being ford/reagan/carter of that happens. For someone who doesn't like either trump or hillary it's simply a glass half full analysis looking back at 1976 as precedent. Go back and look at that election and the dynamic of how ford was picked and how good he looked on paper. He was likeable, smart, had success. The GOP was convinced he was the anecdote to Nixon and his recent baggage. Good guy but it was obvious he was in over his head campaigning on the issues against carter which says a lot.
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Don't matter to them. Don't you know we Need a cleansing so the next Reagan can magically pop out of someones ass!
Truthfully, the whining against Trump is just white noise right now. The people on here claiming how pious they are will have no affect on the outcome.
The South will go to Trump. It's the swing States that matter!
WV and PA with their coal mines might be in play. Those will be huge! Unless they are so pious as to give up their jobs so we can get the next Reagan...
All the crap in your post aside, the part about wv and penn is an extremely important one. Hillary will not win miner and steel worker votes. Trump would be smart to jump on that immediately. The downside to putting wv and penn into play is that ga, tenn, Utah and a few other solid red states are also in play for Hillary at this point.
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So these pictures are from California, Arizona and New York. But you think Trump supporters are the problem?
None of it matters anymore. Your boy Trump won. You are going to get the general election you've dreamed of - Trump vs. Hillary. Don't look at me when she wins in a landslide (and she will, btw).
Congrats!
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Trump would be smart to jump on that immediately.
He started last night in his speech. He called them out specifically as saying those jobs aren't going anywhere.
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None of it matters anymore. Your boy Trump won. You are going to get the general election you've dreamed of - Trump vs. Hillary. Don't look at me when she wins in a landslide (and she will, btw).
Congrats!
See...YOU are part of the problem. Trump is not my boy. I didn't dream of Trump/Hillary. I didn't even vote for Trump. You are acting like a spoiled little loser...
And how do those pictures not matter? That's another issue altogether...
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None of it matters anymore. Your boy Trump won. You are going to get the general election you've dreamed of - Trump vs. Hillary. Don't look at me when she wins in a landslide (and she will, btw).
Congrats!
Question. Why do you think she'll win? And by a landslide at that? As I said, I think we're in the dumper either way. Yesterday, both Trump and Cruz got more votes than either Democratic candidate. Hillary got punked by Obama last election and she still can't put a wrinkled, old schlep like Bernie away. She's got way more than enough baggage to turn people away in the general election. Many people simply don't like Trump. But she's got an actual record of lies and failures to point to. And...Trump supporters are nothing if not passionate.
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None of it matters anymore. Your boy Trump won. You are going to get the general election you've dreamed of - Trump vs. Hillary. Don't look at me when she wins in a landslide (and she will, btw).
Congrats!
I do not doubt that she may win, however, I do not think that there is any way that she will win in a landslide.
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Question. Why do you think she'll win? And by a landslide at that? As I said, I think we're in the dumper either way. Yesterday, both Trump and Cruz got more votes than either Democratic candidate. Hillary got punked by Obama last election and she still can't put a wrinkled, old schlep like Bernie away. She's got way more than enough baggage to turn people away in the general election. Many people simply don't like Trump. But she's got an actual record of lies and failures to point to. And...Trump supporters are nothing if not passionate.
Complete idiots and racists, unfortunately, make up a large enough portion of the Republican party to win him the nomination.
Complete idiots and racists, fortunately, do not make up a large enough portion of the country as a whole.
It's not going to be close.
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So these pictures are from California, Arizona and New York. But you think Trump supporters are the problem?
I don't see any threats to murder anyone in your pics.
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Complete idiots and racists, unfortunately, make up a large enough portion of the Republican party to win him the nomination.
Complete idiots and racists, fortunately, do not make up a large enough portion of the country as a whole.
It's not going to be close.
And before anyone jumps in on the racist thing...
I'm aware you don't have to be racist to vote for Trump, and I don't think the man himself is racist.
But he caters to them and manipulates him.
Do a twitter search for #WhiteGenocide or "miscegenation" or any other racist slur on Twitter and watch the Trump 2016 avatars roll in.
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, somehow it's become cool on the GOP side to demonize Reagan in a condescending tone like cct has.
Delusional.
Nobody has "demonized" Reagan.
What we find ridiculous is the fact that some of you are willing to allow hitlary in the white house because you think another Reagan will come from it.
That's like killing yourself as the comet passes...
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Question. Why do you think she'll win? And by a landslide at that? As I said, I think we're in the dumper either way. Yesterday, both Trump and Cruz got more votes than either Democratic candidate. Hillary got punked by Obama last election and she still can't put a wrinkled, old schlep like Bernie away. She's got way more than enough baggage to turn people away in the general election. Many people simply don't like Trump. But she's got an actual record of lies and failures to point to. And...Trump supporters are nothing if not passionate.
Yesterday's RCP poll average showed Hillary leading Donald by 6 points (46 - 40).
There is a group called Morning Consult that has the electoral college splitting like this if the election were today:
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Here's how they came to this conclusion:
The analysts at Morning Consult used data they had collected from national surveys since January and a statistical technique called multilevel regression and poststratification (MRP) to estimate which candidate would win each state in a hypothetical election. MRP is a way of using data at a larger geographic level — like the national level — to estimate opinion at a smaller geographic level — in this case, the states. Instead of relying solely on how people say they will vote in the survey, MRP incorporates information about the respondents and the states they live in that’s known to predict vote choice. Morning Consult used respondents’ education, gender and age, plus state-level economic information and outcomes from the 2012 Presidential election.
Of course the election is not today, and a lot can happen in the next 6 months. Who knows, Hillary may be indicted? There are a ton of different scenarios in play.
At the end of the day Trump will have to pull off a massive unification project in order to sniff a chance at the electorate. His followers don't help his cause (see Chizad's aforementioned twitter searches as Exhibit A). With the staunch #NeverTrump coalition in opposition to his campaign he's facing an uphill battle. To replace their support he'll be forced to move more to the left to try to sway moderate independents and blue dog democrats.
I'm not saying he can't win, just that I see it as a long shot. However, crazy things have already happened this election cycle and I don't put anything past our citizenry at this point.
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A counter to your bullshit about Trump supporters being the rational voices of reason despite all the bullying they're receiving. One is all it takes.
In your mind.
I said for the most part. "most" This is the height of a bammer argument. It's BG03 personified. We show you Harvey, the teabagger, top rope momma, Trent's rentals, Julio's boat, Fluker's check, TTown Tom, a coach fired for selling marijuana, two coaches paying players and the four thugs who beat up students and you go:
Yeah but Cam Newton took $180,000. So it's exactly the same.
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Yesterday's RCP poll average showed Hillary leading Donald by 6 points (46 - 40).
There is a group called Morning Consult that has the electoral college splitting like this if the election were today:
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/570e3f3c150000ee010b4bb5.png)
Here's how they came to this conclusion:
Of course the election is not today, and a lot can happen in the next 6 months. Who knows, Hillary may be indicted? There are a ton of different scenarios in play.
At the end of the day Trump will have to pull off a massive unification project in order to sniff a chance at the electorate. His followers don't help his cause (see Chizad's aforementioned twitter searches as Exhibit A). With the staunch #NeverTrump coalition in opposition to his campaign he's facing an uphill battle. To replace their support he'll be forced to move more to the left to try to sway moderate independents and blue dog democrats.
I'm not saying he can't win, just that I see it as a long shot. However, crazy things have already happened this election cycle and I don't put anything past our citizenry at this point.
GET YOUR FAGGOT ASSED STATISTICS AND BETA MALE FACTS AND COMMUNIST MATH THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! WE SPEAK AMERICAN ROUND HERE FAGGOT ROLL TIDE!
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Complete idiots and racists, unfortunately, make up a large enough portion of the Republican party to win him the nomination.
Complete idiots and racists, fortunately, do not make up a large enough portion of the country as a whole.
It's not going to be close.
This is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen posted on here.
"complete idiots and racists."
Pathetic, C. I'm sorry you're pissed, but that's just pathetic.
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He started last night in his speech. He called them out specifically as saying those jobs aren't going anywhere.
Well that's a good smart start. He needs to pound on that. Penn would be a huge win.
Trying to put on my best objective campaign analysis hat at this point.
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This is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen posted on here.
"complete idiots and racists."
Pathetic, C. I'm sorry you're pissed, but that's just pathetic.
Truth hurts.
I didn't say you are either of those things, although...keep digging.
Although, completely missing my point may put you in the former camp.
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GET YOUR FAGGOT ASSED STATISTICS AND BETA MALE FACTS AND COMMUNIST MATH THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!! WE SPEAK AMERICAN ROUND HERE FAGGOT ROLL TIDE!
Dude...
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Well that's a good smart start. He needs to pound on that. Penn would be a huge win.
Trying to put on my best objective campaign analysis hat at this point.
Glad someone is...
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Delusional.
Nobody has "demonized" Reagan.
What we find ridiculous is the fact that some of you are willing to allow hitlary in the white house because you think another Reagan will come from it.
That's like killing yourself as the comet passes...
No one is delusional. And no one is allowing Hillary. These choices are not my doing. If this country had any sense at all as far as pragmatism goes then the two candidates would have been Scott Walker/Marco Rubio and Jim Webb/Lincoln Chaffee. I didn't ask for this choice. And I'm not voting for Hillary. If she gets it then blame everyone who voted for her crooked flawed ass.
Putting on my objective hat, I think trump can win. He can. Right now it's an up hill battle. It will be interesting to see his pivot to the general. And to see if the real Donald was from the primary. Or if the real Donald is yet to come. Will he become more pragmatic? And was he just doing much of the name calling and shenanigans to get the nomination? All plausible questions.
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Glad someone is...
I think people just need to simmer for a few days. I've seen a lot of people wanting to jump off a cliff today. People that weren't even Cruz or kasich fans. Just because Cruz dropping assures the Donald if for no other reason. But I'm not gonna do that. Going to sit back and watch. Even do some analysis and research. Just making the best of it. Whatever way that is.
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Truth hurts.
I didn't say you are either of those things, although...keep digging.
Although, completely missing my point may put you in the former camp.
Kaos is right. You sit on your high horse and look down at anyone who supports Trump. You cannot even tell that you are an elitist.
Like many of us have said from the beginning, if Cruz wins, we vote Cruz. If Trump wins, we vote Trump. It's just that most of us recognized the Trump phenomenon and started to find the positives.
The rest of you sound butthurt, to be honest.
When hitlary is hands down the enemy, you keep attacking the good side. Go ahead, vote for Perot. Some of us have already been there, done that. I guess you need to learn the same lesson.
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Kaos is right. You sit on your high horse and look down at anyone who supports Trump. You cannot even tell that you are an elitist.
Like many of us have said from the beginning, if Cruz wins, we vote Cruz. If Trump wins, we vote Trump. It's just that most of us recognized the Trump phenomenon and started to find the positives.
The rest of you sound butthurt, to be honest.
When hitlary is hands down the enemy, you keep attacking the good side. Go ahead, vote for Perot. Some of us have already been there, done that. I guess you need to learn the same lesson.
Hey hey now. I've played nice today. I can disagree and play nice. Recognize.
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Dude...
Dude...
I just said it before they had a chance to. That's pretty close to exactly what they have said any time these facts and statistics are brought up.
I'm not laughing WITH them...
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Kaos is right. You sit on your high horse and look down at anyone who supports Trump. You cannot even tell that you are an elitist.
Like many of us have said from the beginning, if Cruz wins, we vote Cruz. If Trump wins, we vote Trump. It's just that most of us recognized the Trump phenomenon and started to find the positives.
The rest of you sound butthurt, to be honest.
When hitlary is hands down the enemy, you keep attacking the good side. Go ahead, vote for Perot. Some of us have already been there, done that. I guess you need to learn the same lesson.
Explain how this is not "JUST WHAT THE GOP WANTS", and how not voting for Biff from Back to the Future Part II is "playing into their hands".
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It will be interesting to see his pivot to the general. And to see if the real Donald was from the primary. Or if the real Donald is yet to come. Will he become more pragmatic? And was he just doing much of the name calling and shenanigans to get the nomination? All plausible questions.
This is what many people are expecting. A change to concentrate on one foe. And truthfully, hitlary should be beatable. She is very unlikable. Trump is still an unknown to many. There are many great stories coming out daily, but all anyone has been exposed to so far is the bluster. I think a lot of that is by design for the primaries.
We shall see.
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This is what many people are expecting. A change to concentrate on one foe. And truthfully, hitlary should be beatable. She is very unlikable. Trump is still an unknown to many. There are many great stories coming out daily, but all anyone has been exposed to so far is the bluster. I think a lot of that is by design for the primaries.
We shall see.
It's the nature of a primary. They are nasty. And honestly it's a lot of what smoked Romney in 2012.
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Explain how this is not "JUST WHAT THE GOP WANTS", and how not voting for Biff from Back to the Future Part II is "playing into their hands".
The GOP wanted to do everything they could to keep Trump out. Hell, they were praying for a contested convention to get someone of their choosing in there.
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The GOP wanted to do everything they could to keep Trump out. Hell, they were praying for a contested convention to get someone of their choosing in there.
So loyally vote GOP even if you don't like who they're running.
That'll show 'em.
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If the shrew can't beat back the Aardvark and keeps getting stunned in places she expected to win, what really makes you think she will "landslide" Trump?
Aardvark should have been a warmup, quickly gutted and stuffed. And she's such a hateful, awful waste of human skin she can't even do that. Trump is 10 times the politician Cryptkeeper is. His personal magnetism is much greater than The Old Man And the Sea.
I know there was a map posted somewhere. I've seen other maps that contradict it.
I've felt all along that only someone seen as "non establishment" and "not part of the current political circle" could knock Clinton out. Whether Trump IS that or just pretends to be doesn't matter. That's how the people who can block Hitlary's path to the White House see him.
It's why, despite all his faults, Trump is palatable to me.
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So loyally vote GOP even if you don't like who they're running.
That'll show 'em.
Vote
Against
Hitlary
/end topic
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If the shrew can't beat back the Aardvark and keeps getting stunned in places she expected to win, what really makes you think she will "landslide" Trump?
Aardvark should have been a warmup, quickly gutted and stuffed. And she's such a hateful, awful waste of human skin she can't even do that. Trump is 10 times the politician Cryptkeeper is. His personal magnetism is much greater than The Old Man And the Sea.
I know there was a map posted somewhere. I've seen other maps that contradict it.
I've felt all along that only someone seen as "non establishment" and "not part of the current political circle" could knock Clinton out. Whether Trump IS that or just pretends to be doesn't matter. That's how the people who can block Hitlary's path to the White House see him.
It's why, despite all his faults, Trump is palatable to me.
I thought the kstate coach was the crypt keeper?
On another note (again, not endorsing or indicting any candidate here), I did see Scott Rasmussen on someone's show yesterday before the polls even closed in Indiana, and his latest poll had Trump up over Hillary by 3/4 which was a 10 point swing from his earlier poll in the year. He seemed to think trump would outkick his coverage like he has been doing so far. And it would only get better for him once the nomination was clinched.
This just caught my eye because I highly value Rasmussen and his polls. He nails every election. He's scientific as hell and has no bias in his polling or outcomes. He and Larry sabado are the best at what they do. So I think the fact that he said this was very notable.
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So loyally vote GOP even if you don't like who they're running.
That'll show 'em.
Vote
Against
Hitlary
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So loyally vote GOP even if you don't like who they're running.
That'll show 'em.
I can't understand why you can't seem to understand that many of us seem to dislike Trump but we dislike Hillary or Bern even more.
It's that simple with me.
And, your little Johnson is like a fart in a hurricane. Wasted vote.
So, I go with the best available room.
Haven't seen your intellect or class being challenged over this. Some people seem to assume a lot about Trump supporters when I often think the accuser has more hat than cattle.
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http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/05/04/trump-clinton-gary-johnson-austin-petersen-best-choice-president/
As Between Trump and Clinton, Gary Johnson (or Austin Petersen) is the Best Choice for President
Posted by Leon H. Wolf on May 4, 2016 at 12:30 pm
As Between Trump and Clinton, Gary Johnson (or Austin Petersen) is the Best Choice for President
I've said this a million times and I'll say it again: I don't owe Donald Trump, the Republican party, or anyone else my vote. Every election cycle, they have to earn it. I never signed a loyalty oath or a contract to always vote for the Republican, and even if I did, such a contract would be void as a matter of law, as it should be.
I'm a free person living in a Democratic Republic, and I only vote for candidates who deserve the office they are running for. That's how this works. Granted, I ordinarily only vote for Republicans - and often, I vote for them not because they deserve it on their own merits, but because the Democrat alternative is so much worse. This election, I don't even have that luxury presented to me; I genuinely believe that Hillary Clinton would be a better President than Trump, and it's not close.
That said, Hillary would also be a terrible President, there's no doubt about that. Her tenure at State department was an unmitigated disaster and pretty much everything she has touched in her adult life has been either an abject failure or a major disappointment. Voting for Hillary isn't a good option, or one that would even be considered in the absence of the direst of circumstances.
The best choice remaining for President (at present) is clearly whatever Libertarian Party option emerges from their fray. I gather (although I'm very new at following their party - as in, less than 24 hours into it) that the race is between former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, and Austin Petersen, who I know little or nothing about.
Under normal circumstances, Johnson would never get my vote because he is pro-choice, but there isn't a functionally pro-life option on the ballot at present. Hopefully someone will come up with one, but at the moment one does not exist. Trump himself is actually worse than pro-choice - as his horrible series of answers on jailing women shows, he would actually harm the pro-life movement worse than Hillary would.
Aside from being pro-choice, Governor Johnson's record as governor of New Mexico was actually rather exemplary. For whatever his faults, he legitimately believes in reducing the size and scope of the Federal government, which places him head and shoulders above either Clinton or Trump. He failed to gain traction as a GOP candidate because he's not the most charismatic person in the world, but making decisions based on charisma is what got us in the mess we are in as a country in the first place. And I'll certainly give this Petersen guy a look, and I gather from his website that he is pro-life, which certainly gives him a leg up in my book.
My hope at present is that some pro-life, small government conservative will run and get on the ballot in Tennessee, and I will vote for him or her. As a second best option, I suppose I will vote for Gary Johnson or (preferably, if he really is pro-life, Austin Petersen). If it actually looks like Trump might get close to winning, I might have to vote for Hillary, because I can not and will not accept that I haven't done all I can to keep the dangerous and unstable Donald Trump from the office.
I will say the author is overstating Johnson's "Pro Choice" position. His position is basically mine, which is I don't like it, but I also don't like the government getting involved one way or another, and if anything it's a state's right. He is also strongly against federal funding for Planned Parenthood or even stem cell research (the latter puts him to the right of me on this). He signed a late term abortion ban as governor and also advocates overturning of Roe v Wade (another position to the right of me).
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http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/05/04/trump-clinton-gary-johnson-austin-petersen-best-choice-president/
I will say the author is overstating Johnson's "Pro Choice" position. His position is basically mine, which is I don't like it, but I also don't like the government getting involved one way or another, and if anything it's a state's right. He is also strongly against federal funding for Planned Parenthood or even stem cell research (the latter puts him to the right of me on this). He signed a late term abortion ban as governor and also advocates overturning of Roe v Wade (another position to the right of me).
Where I may disagree with you and Gary slightly. I'm for govt not getting involved but there are times when they should. And to me one of those times is when it involves a life. And it's semantics so I guess it's when you deem life begins. But just me, babies in the womb are living things. And being so, I think they deserve basic rights to life. To at least be born. Even Ron Paul takes that stance when he said "when has a woman ever had any right to kill another human being?"
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Where I may disagree with you and Gary slightly. I'm for govt not getting involved but there are times when they should. And to me one of those times is when it involves a life. And it's semantics so I guess it's when you deem life begins. But just me, babies in the womb are living things. And being so, I think they deserve basic rights to life. To at least be born. Even Ron Paul takes that stance when he said "when has a woman ever had any right to kill another human being?"
Why does any man who runs in government have the right to say I don't have the right to do something? I don't agree with abortion but like you said, the government shouldn't be involved.
The sad part is this thread has turned into 4 pages of bitching about who the next slave master is going to be; because in their eyes, that's all we are.
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Why does any man who runs in government have the right to say I don't have the right to do something? I don't agree with abortion but like you said, the government shouldn't be involved.
Agreed. I think I am going to go shoot my neighbor because his dog keeps shitting in my yard. Whose to say I can't do that?
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Why does any man who runs in government have the right to say I don't have the right to do something?
When it involves the violation of the rights of another. That's govts main duty. To protect the rights of its citizens.
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Agreed. I think I am going to go shoot my neighbor because his dog keeps shitting in my yard. Whose to say I can't do that?
Government is not stopping you from doing it. You would still be punished by the police state, but who's to say you still wouldn't be punished without government?
I agree with GH that the government's sole reason of existence is to protect our liberty and borders. That's it. We don't need the government for roads, telling people what is legal to do with their bodies, and regulate business. The fact of the matter is the government in of itself is like a god to most people. They wait for it to tell them what to do and who to be mad at. They believe they could not exist without it. When in reality, I can govern myself as well as you can you, and things would still get done without government industry.
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Government is not stopping you from doing it. You would still be punished by the police state, but who's to say you still wouldn't be punished without government?
So you and Trump agree that women should be punished for having an abortion?
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Where I may disagree with you and Gary slightly. I'm for govt not getting involved but there are times when they should. And to me one of those times is when it involves a life. And it's semantics so I guess it's when you deem life begins. But just me, babies in the womb are living things. And being so, I think they deserve basic rights to life. To at least be born. Even Ron Paul takes that stance when he said "when has a woman ever had any right to kill another human being?"
I don't completely disagree. It's why I don't have a strong stance one way or another really on abortion. I think it's a more nuanced issue than pretty much anyone is willing to acknowledge. The crux of the debate is "where does life begin", which is where people disagree. It's not even a science vs. religion thing. There is no consensus scientific starting point. I think the status quo of abortion being illegal starting in the third trimester, where technically and scientifically it could survive on its own outside the womb is a reasonable "common sense" compromise to these diametrically opposed arguments. Gary Johnson agrees.
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So you and Trump agree that women should be punished for having an abortion?
Where the fuck did I say that? I said I don't agree with abortion but nobody has the right to say someone can't have one. As Chizad just said, starting when the baby can live outside the womb (third trimester) that baby has the same Liberty as you and me so it should be illegal.
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Where the fuck did I say that? I said I don't agree with abortion but nobody has the right to say someone can't have one. As Chizad just said, starting when the baby can live outside the womb (third trimester) that baby has the same Liberty as you and me so it should be illegal.
But who or what defines that as "life" or a "living thing"? A 1 year old also can't survive very long either outside the womb without constant care by someone. Neither can certain people hooked up to machines that keep them alive whether it's a vegetable or someone on dialysis. So it comes back to, what is defined as a living human? If it's got a heart beat and a brain with activity, then it's alive. It's dna has been built, it's vital organs intact and it's running on auto pilot like an engine. Like Chad said, that's more where the arguments lie. Its never been about religion to me. It's all in where you define life.
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In your mind.
I said for the most part. "most" This is the height of a bammer argument. It's BG03 personified. We show you Harvey, the teabagger, top rope momma, Trent's rentals, Julio's boat, Fluker's check, TTown Tom, a coach fired for selling marijuana, two coaches paying players and the four thugs who beat up students and you go:
Yeah but Cam Newton took $180,000. So it's exactly the same.
Trump has rotted your brain. Your analogy is so fucking flawed.
Btw...here's another example:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-illma-gore_us_5727b7efe4b0f309baf1a0ed
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But who or what defines that as "life" or a "living thing"? A 1 year old also can't survive very long either outside the womb without constant care by someone. Neither can certain people hooked up to machines that keep them alive whether it's a vegetable or someone on dialysis. So it comes back to, what is defined as a living human? If it's got a heart beat and a brain with activity, then it's alive. It's dna has been built, it's vital organs intact and it's running on auto pilot like an engine. Like Chad said, that's more where the arguments lie. Its never been about religion to me. It's all in where you define life.
I agree with you on this more than you know. I was stating the common sense argument like Chizad was. At conception, the Fetus or clump of cells, as liberals call it, has its own DNA. I believe this makes it a human and that human's rights fall under the protection of the 14th amendment. If this were the case, abortion would be illegal in all aspects. Now assisted suicide is a subject I don't know much about so I cannot speak on that.
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Trump has rotted your brain. Your analogy is so fucking flawed.
Btw...here's another example:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-illma-gore_us_5727b7efe4b0f309baf1a0ed
That portrait is hawt.
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Trump has rotted your brain. Your analogy is so fucking flawed.
Btw...here's another example:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-illma-gore_us_5727b7efe4b0f309baf1a0ed
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/29/20/33A931CF00000578-3566328-image-a-80_1461959516718.jpg)
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Trump has rotted your brain. Your analogy is so fucking flawed.
Btw...here's another example:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-illma-gore_us_5727b7efe4b0f309baf1a0ed
Your response is exactly the same as the typical bammer.
Thousands of anti-trump people show their ass.
You BG03 up two examples of people who support trump saying/doing something off beat and claim the two things are somehow synonymous.
The one guy you showed was AT A TRUMP RALLY and responding to the outrageous antics of others.
Your examples nowhere near support the contention that trump supporters are the instigators, the rogue element, the rubes. It is in fact the anti-trump crowd that has near exclusive claim to this insanity.
Trump hate has destroyed your capacity for rational thought.
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Your response is exactly the same as the typical bammer.
Thousands of anti-trump people show their ass.
You BG03 up two examples of people who support trump saying/doing something off beat and claim the two things are somehow synonymous.
The one guy you showed was AT A TRUMP RALLY and responding to the outrageous antics of others.
Your examples nowhere near support the contention that trump supporters are the instigators, the rogue element, the rubes. It is in fact the anti-trump crowd that has near exclusive claim to this insanity.
Trump hate has destroyed your capacity for rational thought.
I think the fringe of BOTH sides are abhorrent.
If I were a Republican, though, I'd be more concerned about my own house being in order.
Most of this leftist fringe belong to Bernie and not Hillary. She has her share of third-wave-feminist nutbags, but most of the radical hippies are in Bernie's camp.
Difference to me is Trump himself is an oaf and actively promotes his fans punching people in the face and rioting. Facts that Cruz delivered to Tweedledee and Tweedledum to which they replied "YOU LYNE, LYNE TED!"
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I think the fringe of BOTH sides are abhorrent.
If I were a Republican, though, I'd be more concerned about my own house being in order.
Most of this leftist fringe belong to Bernie and not Hillary. She has her share of third-wave-feminist nutbags, but most of the radical hippies are in Bernie's camp.
Difference to me is Trump himself is an oaf and actively promotes his fans punching people in the face and rioting. Facts that Cruz delivered to Tweedledee and Tweedledum to which they replied "YOU LYNE, LYNE TED!"
Whatever. Trump is not a beta male so therefore when he encourages people to stand up for themselves, he gets turned into a monster. Many of us understand where he is coming from. He does not incite riots or promote violence. He just says its OK not to be a WUSS! I can live with that. Being civil gets us another obummer. I'm sure you understand that.
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I DEFY you to watch today's Joe Rogan podcast and conclude anything other than that this guy would be a 1,000x better president than the BEST parts of Hillary/Bernie/Trump combined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQIuHGbKckY
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I DEFY you to watch today's Joe Rogan podcast and conclude anything other than that this guy would be a 1,000x better president than the BEST parts of Hillary/Bernie/Trump combined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQIuHGbKckY
Doesn't matter.
I can list 100,000,000 people better than Hillary. 6,000,000 better than Bernie. 10 or 20 people maybe better than Trump. None of them have a shot either.
And I watched 2 minutes of it. Wouldn't vote for that guy for garbage commissioner. All the magnetism of a dirty dishrag. Looks like a homeless man who just smoked a huge bowl and decided to pontificate for a while from his cardboard box on the street.
He will never be elected to anything.
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Doesn't matter.
He will never be elected to anything.
Um....
Not sure if srs.
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Um....
Not sure if srs.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
When you put yourself in a bubble, you get to just go on being wrongidy wrong wrong wrong about everything you say with authority.
Eagerly await the response to this where HE WAS RIGHT and you are a FUCKING IDIOT for thinking the state of New Mexico is significant enough of an entity that being elected governor TWICE there constitutes "anything".
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
When you put yourself in a bubble, you get to just go on being wrongidy wrong wrong wrong about everything you say with authority.
Eagerly await the response to this where HE WAS RIGHT and you are a FUCKING IDIOT for thinking the state of New Mexico is significant enough of an entity that being elected governor TWICE there constitutes "anything".
He's probably the one that's been lettin' all them illegal New Mexicans come in this country.
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Gary Johnson did a damn good job in New Mexico by all accounts. He did a little better than "damn good" fiscally speaking. But this is a two party race. Johnson can't get elected in the game being played. Because it's a fucking sham. The two party system needs to die and let's just vote for the best candidate. Hillary getting the White House will be status quo. Policy will be shit, economy will be shit, and the career politicians will continue holding office until they die or we collapse. I hate it for Gary and libertarians across the nation, but he can't win the presidential election under the current format.
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Um....
Not sure if srs.
Yes. Should have added the qualifier "nationally". My reference was to this election. Never be elected to anything -- hyperbolic version of "has no chance."
Nothing in New Mexico but meth, weed and dust.
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The two party system needs to die and let's just vote for the best candidate.
That's what Gary Johnson is trying to do...
Seriously, what is a better or more practical way to end the two party system than voting for the viable third party candidate in a year where the Dem & Repub candidates are pretty universally hated?
I've been saying it for a while now, but if that is your goal, THIS is the window of opportunity you've been looking for.
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Yes. Should have added the qualifier "nationally". My reference was to this election. Never be elected to anything -- hyperbolic version of "has no chance."
Nothing in New Mexico but meth, weed and dust.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Trump should ask Johnson to be his runningmate.
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To Gary Johnson :bar:
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That's what Gary Johnson is trying to do...
Seriously, what is a better or more practical way to end the two party system than voting for the viable third party candidate in a year where the Dem & Repub candidates are pretty universally hated?
I've been saying it for a while now, but if that is your goal, THIS is the window of opportunity you've been looking for.
If it were not Billary on the other side I might consider wadding up my vote and shoving it up a wild hogs ass.
I cannot.
She is evil. I have to vote for whoever has a legitimate chance to deny her the White House. That isn't Johnson.
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If it were not Billary on the other side I might consider wadding up my vote and shoving it up a wild hogs ass.
I cannot.
She is evil. I have to vote for whoever has a legitimate chance to deny her the White House. That isn't Johnson.
I'm sure the Alabama electoral college votes DEPEND on your single vote for Trump.
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I'm sure the Alabama electoral college votes DEPEND on your single vote for Trump.
THAT's what I've been saying. You have the freedom and the option to vote 3rd party if your state is going
"red" anyway. Do it.
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THAT's what I've been saying. You have the freedom and the option to vote 3rd party if your state is going
"red" anyway. Do it.
But as idealistic as it is, I still believe in the sanctity of my vote.
Yeah,'I waste them occasionally. I will write in people for races I know nothing about.
But this "feels" important to me.
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But as idealistic as it is, I still believe in the sanctity of my vote.
If your gripe is a lack of a viable 3rd party option, then use your sacred vote to enact that change. Throwing it away on a foregone conclusion just reinforces the two party system you claim to hate.
Your two-party vote is wasted anyway...Alabama will vote "red" regardless of the candidate. So, do something worthwhile with your vote and make your voice heard.
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He's probably the one that's been lettin' all them illegal New Mexicans come in this country.
Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.
Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.
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Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.
Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.
Pot stirrer :pot:
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Pot stirrer :pot:
Or facts largely ignored.
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Actually he's a pretty big advocate for open borders. So yeah. Some of these so called libertarians are closer to being anarchists which is where I have a lot of issue with them. His tariff and immigration stances are horrid. But all of his fan boys ignore those things only lamenting on what are perceived as his positives. If he got into the national spotlight like the others are now, he would more than likely appear just about as flawed as the mainstream ones do now.
Chadskins ain't gonna like ole GH much for that response but it's true. Nothing personal.
OR I agree with him because I operate on facts vs. feels.
Net immigration is NEGATIVE from Mexico to the US, but facts are for cucks.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
And what does the governor of New Mexico know about Mexican immigration, amirite?
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If your gripe is a lack of a viable 3rd party option, then use your sacred vote to enact that change. Throwing it away on a foregone conclusion just reinforces the two party system you claim to hate.
Your two-party vote is wasted anyway...Alabama will vote "red" regardless of the candidate. So, do something worthwhile with your vote and make your voice heard.
No, I'm not advocating for a viable third party.
I'd prefer that the current system not be media controlled and give us better options.
That or remove party affiliation in general
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OR I agree with him because I operate on facts vs. feels.
Net immigration is NEGATIVE from Mexico to the US, but facts are for cucks.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
And what does the governor of New Mexico know about Mexican immigration, amirite?
Not saying that isn't true. I'm saying that's his general policy position. He favors open borders. And having that as a policy position as potus is dangerous. Thankfully his legislature in New Mexico kept him in check. Most of the illegal immigration occurs via Texas anyway. It's his position on the matter that is the point.
And let's talk about how the removal of all tariffs is just as bad as the opposite position of raising them too high causing a trade war. Care to explain that one away?
He's also being bankrolled by the kochs now. Outsider I tell ya
No one is against a 3rd party. But at this stage of the game it is not viable. If Johnson or the kochs or anyone else wanted this to be viable they should have been laying some serious groundwork the day after Romney loss to Obama. But they haven't.
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Not saying that isn't true. I'm saying that's his general policy position. He favors open borders. And having that as a policy position as potus is dangerous. Thankfully his legislature in New Mexico kept him in check. Most of the illegal immigration occurs via Texas anyway. It's his position on the matter that is the point.
And let's talk about how the removal of all tariffs is just as bad as the opposite position of raising them too high causing a trade war. Care to explain that one away?
He's also being bankrolled by the kochs now. Outsider I tell ya
No one is against a 3rd party. But at this stage of the game it is not viable. If Johnson or the kochs or anyone else wanted this to be viable they should have been laying some serious groundwork the day after Romney loss to Obama. But they haven't.
https://reason.com/archives/2016/04/21/buy-american-hurts-americans
Buy American' Hurts Americans
Mike Lindell, president of My Pillow Inc., seems like a nice guy, and I like his product. But he says something in his commercial that bothers me: "Every part of my product is made in the USA."
What could be wrong with that? Lots of things.
First, is it true? Lindell may really believe what he says, but I suspect that if he thoroughly inventoried his Chaska, Minnesota, factory, he'd find many things made (at least in part) by people in other countries. Since he says, "every part of my product," he may be thinking in narrow terms. But what about every aspect of his production process? If he uses vehicles made outside the United States to transport his goods to a shipping center, his statement is inaccurate. If the grass on his business property is cut with a Japanese lawnmower or the coffee he provides his employees is grown in Colombia, his statement is inaccurate. In a global economy few things are the product of only one place.
But let's assume Lindell is right. Would it really be such a great thing? No, not really.
His statement implies that buying only American-made parts is good not just for the particular Americans who make and sell those parts, but for all Americans—indeed for America as a whole. But that can't be true. Sure, it is good for those who make the parts, but it's bad for unidentifiable other Americans, and that means it can't be good for the whole country.
Observe: if Lindell bought foreign-made parts, he would pay for them with dollars. But his foreign vendors can't spend dollars in their home countries, just as Americans can't buy groceries with Japanese yen, Chinese yuan, or euros. Foreign vendors, however, can use dollars to buy American products or invest in the U.S. part of the world economy. The only other thing they can do with their dollars is sell them for their home currency, but then the buyer of those dollars would face the same choice to buy American products or invest in the United States. (The so-called trade deficit equals the dollar amount of the investment in America that foreign exporters undertake. That deficit is no problem, Messrs. Trump and Sanders.)
So if Lindell really buys all his parts from Americans, other Americans lose out because some sales and investments don't happen. When doing economic analysis, the French economist Frederic Bastiat taught, look for the unseen as well as the seen consequences.
I don't mean to criticize Lindell. My point is that his implicit message—that Buy American is good for all of America—is untrue.
Lindell's Buy-American policy raises other questions. Are American parts more expensive than foreign parts? If so, does he try to pass the higher costs to his customers? If so, he makes it harder for poorer Americans to buy his pillows. A higher price also puts his product—and therefore his company and employees—at a disadvantage in the marketplace. Does he think American consumers care where products are made? Whatever they may tell pollsters, what Americans really care about—judging by their actions—is the combination of price and quality. Let Lindell advertise: "Every part of my product is made in the USA—so we charge you more than our competitors do." The response would be informative.
However, maybe he doesn't pass along the extra cost. Maybe he accepts lower profits. If so, how does he improve his factory, increase employee productivity, and pay competitive wages? If his profit is lower, he also has less money to spend on other American and foreign products and less to invest.
Again, my point is not to criticize Lindell. It's to show that he's not helping America as a whole.
But now I must end on a critical note. When Lindell touts his Buy-American policy, he seems to be suggesting that Americans are more worthy than non-Americans. Is human worth really determined by which side of an arbitrary national boundary one was born on?
Trade among perfect strangers from all over the world is cooperation, trust, mutual benefit, and peace in action. Don't we need more of it? Injecting divisive nationalism into commerce, however innocently, violates the true liberal spirit, which has bestowed incalculable blessings on the human race.
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Also, I know this is the excuse used for Bernie and Trump, but of all policies Congress would be hard-pressed to approve of, ones that make them less capable of wetting their beaks is at the top of that list. I'm fairly certain this way more rhetoric on how it "should be" vs. what he would actually try to enact. More than most, he's a work-big-to-small on specific solutions to specific problems guy, and I doubt this is anywhere near a top priority for him.
If this is the worst policy you can drudge up, I don't think it's in the same ballpark as Hillary, Trump, or God forbid Bernie's worst policy proposals.
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I'm sorry Chizad.
That is the stupidest argument I've ever seen posted. Ever.
Fuck whatever clown wrote that. He needs to be deported.
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https://reason.com/archives/2016/04/21/buy-american-hurts-americans
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Also, I know this is the excuse used for Bernie and Trump, but of all policies Congress would be hard-pressed to approve of, ones that make them less capable of wetting their beaks is at the top of that list. I'm fairly certain this way more rhetoric on how it "should be" vs. what he would actually try to enact. More than most, he's a work-big-to-small on specific solutions to specific problems guy, and I doubt this is anywhere near a top priority for him.
If this is the worst policy you can drudge up, I don't think it's in the same ballpark as Hillary, Trump, or God forbid Bernie's worst policy proposals.
Nafta.