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Title: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Kaos on April 26, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
Used one last year.  Paid like $800 bucks or something and it was only marginally better -- at best -- than when I used to just throw weed and feed out of a Lowes bucket.   

So yeah, no. 

Got a call today wanting to know how I wanted to handle the $849 charge and late fee.   
Charge for what? 
Well, we kept sending people out. 
Yes, of course you did. I signed fucking annual maintenance agreement in May last year.
Well the contract was for a year, or seven visits and we came out and did some extra work a few times, so you were out of visits.
Do you understand the term annual?
Well it says annual or number of visits.  So when you were out of visits and then we came in January, that renewed the agreement automatically.
So you renewed it yourself without notifiying me by coming out IN JANUARY to spray my lawn as part of my annual agreement?  And now you want me to pay you for visits and late fees?
No, you renewed it when they sprayed your yard.
No, I wasn't here.  They just did it and left a plastic bag on the front door saying they'd been by.
That was the renewal.
So your years have seven months?
No, our years have seven visits.
That's not a year and I signed an annual agreement.
Yes, an annual agreement that had seven visits.
Did I tell you to make the eighth?
No, but it was time so we did.  Now you owe for the next year, plus late fees.
How can an annual agreement be late five months before it expires.
Because you were out of visits. 
Yeah, that's not going to happen.  I'm not paying it, not paying the late fees and not renewing dick, shit or squat. 
I'll have our manager call you.
How many months are in his year?
Click.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 26, 2016, 12:05:27 PM
was your grass even growing in January?
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 26, 2016, 12:16:22 PM
Yard man gonna whip dat ass you don't pay.

He may trim some bush for you too.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 26, 2016, 12:18:50 PM
We have a company come out for the spraying and fertilizing.  They charge $71.00 a quarter and send a renewal agreement.  Your choice whether to renew or not....no automatic renewal. 

Which reminds me, I have to call them back.  Back yard's not taking off. A lot of dead patches.  I just realized why the other morning when I saw a bird on the back patio eating a mole cricket.  Those ugly bastards will eat a yard up.  Thanks for posting.  I'm calling right now.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Jumbo on April 26, 2016, 12:20:17 PM
I just did one of those 8 treatments for $750 for the year with trugreen, I signed up 2 weeks ago and they've already been out here twice. I'm thinking by the end of summer I'll be on my 4th year with them.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 26, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
$112.00 to treat for mole crickets.  Not part of the basic plan.  Oh well, it's better than having ghetto lawn.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 26, 2016, 12:31:50 PM
$112.00 to treat for mole crickets.  Not part of the basic plan.  Oh well, it's better than having ghetto lawn.

get of your lazy, rich ass and head to lowes.   get a granular lawn insecticide.  buy a scott's drop spreader.  read the fucking label.  adjust to the correct setting.  walk and drop.  water.  repeat  4 to 6 weeks.   

lawn companies are fucking raking in all your cash but not your leaves. 
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: The Six on April 26, 2016, 12:33:44 PM
Y'all are gonna be up to your necks in grass and weeds when El Presidento Trump builds that wall.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 26, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
get of your lazy, rich ass and head to lowes.   get a granular lawn insecticide.  buy a scott's drop spreader.  read the fucking label.  adjust to the correct setting.  walk and drop.  water.  repeat  4 to 6 weeks.   

lawn companies are fucking raking in all your cash but not your leaves.

I ain't goin' out there.  It's burning up.

Scott's Spreader:  $45.00

Scott's Deluxe Bug-B-Gone Granular:  $37.95/bag  X3

Reapply every 4-6 weeks. 

VS.

$112.00 for one year mole cricket treatment.

No, my lazy, rich ass didn't get to be lazy and rich with that kind of math.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 26, 2016, 01:46:45 PM
Y'all are gonna be up to your necks in grass and weeds when El Presidento Trump builds that wall.
We already are. Tim James run those magnificent grass cutting bastards off a few years back.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: AUTiger1 on April 26, 2016, 02:36:25 PM
get of your lazy, rich ass and head to lowes.   get a granular lawn insecticide.  buy a scott's drop spreader.  read the fucking label.  adjust to the correct setting.  walk and drop.  water.  repeat  4 to 6 weeks.   

lawn companies are fucking raking in all your cash but not your leaves.

Mrs. Snaggs doesn't want him to fire the lawn boy.   
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 26, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Mrs. Snaggs doesn't want him to fire the lawn boy.

i bet she likes his chorizo. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 26, 2016, 02:49:30 PM
i bet she likes his chorizo.

She's not into Mexican food. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: bottomfeeder on April 26, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
I get my stuff from Oldham Chemical off Hwy 90, behind Ken's Car Tunes, in Mobile, Alabama. Granulesfer the yard and aerosol with an IGR for the premises. I'm sure any John Deere Landscaping supply has what yer needing and can sell to some things to the public. John Deere is too expensive for me and I refuse to buy that watered down bullshit from home improvement stores. Tractor Supply carries some stuff too.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 26, 2016, 08:56:48 PM
That automatic renewal tactic should be illegal. DirecTV and I presume other cable companies pull the same bullshit.

Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Kaos on April 26, 2016, 09:13:17 PM
I get my stuff from Oldham Chemical off Hwy 90, behind Ken's Car Tunes, in Mobile, Alabama. Granulesfer the yard and aerosol with an IGR for the premises. I'm sure any John Deere Landscaping supply has what yer needing and can sell to some things to the public. John Deere is too expensive for me and I refuse to buy that watered down bullshit from home improvement stores. Tractor Supply carries some stuff too.

Thanks Harv.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Jumbo on April 27, 2016, 03:49:15 AM
Thanks Harv.
Too much Bama in him...
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 27, 2016, 09:34:20 AM
Thanks Harv.
So, BF is.......Updyke?
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 27, 2016, 09:43:48 AM
That automatic renewal tactic should be illegal. DirecTV and I presume other cable companies pull the same bullshit.

You should read your contract when you sign up.  It's in there.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Kaos on April 27, 2016, 09:58:18 AM
You should read your contract when you sign up.  It's in there.

Whether it is or it isn't "in the contract" the practice is deceptive.  I signed an annual maintenance contract with a schedule of applications.  It ran for a year.  I don't remember the specific dates but there was a fertilizer one, a pest control one, a pre-emergent, etc.  All scripted to end or renew this month.  Anything outside that should have been clearly communicated. It was not.   I did not once request additional visits or ask for a change of the schedule to which I agreed.  The company deciding at its sole volition to perform additional treatments outside that schedule should not be my responsibility.  Leaving a bag on my door after the fact is not sufficient. 

Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 27, 2016, 10:12:27 AM
You should read your contract when you sign up.  It's in there.
So,.....the contract is like Prego?
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 27, 2016, 10:30:33 AM
Whether it is or it isn't "in the contract" the practice is deceptive.  I signed an annual maintenance contract with a schedule of applications.  It ran for a year.  I don't remember the specific dates but there was a fertilizer one, a pest control one, a pre-emergent, etc.  All scripted to end or renew this month.  Anything outside that should have been clearly communicated. It was not.   I did not once request additional visits or ask for a change of the schedule to which I agreed.  The company deciding at its sole volition to perform additional treatments outside that schedule should not be my responsibility.  Leaving a bag on my door after the fact is not sufficient.

I'm not arguing your scenario, and I'd agree that it's deceptive.  You're a relatively sophisticated consumer and you were confused by the terms, so I suspect that the vast majority of their (less sophisticated) customers are confused as well.

I was talking about this:

That automatic renewal tactic should be illegal. DirecTV and I presume other cable companies pull the same bullshit.



This is clearly stated in your contract.  You should read those things before you sign/accept.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 27, 2016, 10:37:50 AM
That automatic renewal tactic should be illegal. DirecTV and I presume other cable companies pull the same bullshit.


Here at work switched from AT&T to Time warner with phones, Internets and such, I am now fighting AT&T and Sprint, both claiming that I had auto renewed the month before. Fuck both of them, they turned it over to collections, sent both collections cease and desist letters in reference to calling me. If memory serves Sprint has already lost one federal case in California over auto renew. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 27, 2016, 12:04:43 PM

Here at work switched from AT&T to Time warner with phones, Internets and such, I am now fighting AT&T and Sprint, both claiming that I had auto renewed the month before. Fuck both of them, they turned it over to collections, sent both collections cease and desist letters in reference to calling me. If memory serves Sprint has already lost one federal case in California over auto renew.
When did they put phones out on a golf course?
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2016, 12:36:49 PM

Here at work switched from AT&T to Time warner with phones, Internets and such, I am now fighting AT&T and Sprint, both claiming that I had auto renewed the month before. Fuck both of them, they turned it over to collections, sent both collections cease and desist letters in reference to calling me. If memory serves Sprint has already lost one federal case in California over auto renew.

You need to pay your bills.  You know you're just trying to rip those poor companies off. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 27, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
When did they put phones out on a golf course?

I work most mornings. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 27, 2016, 01:14:58 PM
You need to pay your bills.  You know you're just trying to rip those poor companies off.

If those companies hadn't sucked in price I'd still be with them. Was able to take 1 sprint bill (My San Antonio office) and three AT&T bills and combine them into one Time Warner bill. At a lot less cost. At no point did they even talk about price matching.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 27, 2016, 01:31:46 PM
Price matching is for suckers.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Pell City Tiger on April 27, 2016, 02:14:50 PM
Price matching is for suckers.
And the poors.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Saniflush on April 27, 2016, 02:22:15 PM
And the poors.

Smoking up the junk bonds
And then they go get stiff
And they're dancin' in the yacht club
With muff and uncle biff
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 27, 2016, 02:25:04 PM
You should read your contract when you sign up.  It's in there.

Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 27, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal.

why? 

 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 27, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
why?


Why should any legal contract extend without both parties agreeing to it?
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
It's just like this dump.  Every year, I forget to non-renew and next thing you know, the same $150.00 debit from my account is made.  WTF is that?  Oh....my X dues.  Well, they won't get me next year.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Godfather on April 27, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
It's just like this dump.  Every year, I forget to non-renew and next thing you know, the same $150.00 debit from my account is made.  WTF is that?  Oh....my X dues.  Well, they won't get me next year.
BTW your credit card declined, can you post your new number please.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
BTW your credit card declined, can you post your new number please.

Oh sure.  Can I PM you?  Wouldn't want the rest of these miscreants to see it.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 27, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal.

You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 27, 2016, 03:34:04 PM

Why should any legal contract extend without both parties agreeing to it?

 you serious, clark?

and what coach bowden typed.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 27, 2016, 03:34:25 PM
Oh sure.  Can I PM you?  Wouldn't want the rest of these miscreants to see it.

Just send it to me and I'll be happy to forward it along.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

They don't call him Mr. 4-Corners for nuthin' folks.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 27, 2016, 03:46:07 PM
You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.


I am calling Saul. 
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 27, 2016, 03:48:12 PM
You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

You calling this guy a liar?
(http://blog.poplabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ron_pic.jpg)
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 27, 2016, 03:51:22 PM
You calling this guy a liar?
(http://blog.poplabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ron_pic.jpg)

Was thinking more of this guy:

https://youtu.be/ZmwYF-28nZY
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: bottomfeeder on April 27, 2016, 08:21:46 PM
So, BF is.......Updyke?

No, BF is no Updyke. I just don't buy auto parts from the garbage man or diamonds from the lawnman.

Read a book years ago titled the "Richest Man In Babylon".
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 27, 2016, 09:58:24 PM
You confirmed it when you signed the contract containing that provision.  There is a mechanism for you to decline the renewal without penalty, but you have to get off your lazy ass, read your contract and take some action.

These companies are taking advantage of you only to the extent that you can't be bothered to read what you sign or take the appropriate actions under the contract to preserve your rights.

You can't just "set it and forget it", despite what television may have told you.

Why are you insisting on inventing things about me?  I read the contracts I sign. I understand the terms before signing. My earlier statement had nothing to do with that. Sorry that's hard for you.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 27, 2016, 11:20:38 PM
Why are you insisting on inventing things about me?  I read the contracts I sign. I understand the terms before signing. My earlier statement had nothing to do with that. Sorry that's hard for you.

"Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal."


See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore.  Alabama Court of Civil Appeals

No, it should not be illegal.  If YOU enter into a contract and YOU have every opportunity to read/study the contract you're entering into...and YOU choose to agree to it, then don't bitch when the other side wants to enforce one of the key components YOU were too lazy to read up on and put on your calendar.

Contract law in this area is pretty damn easy.  If the wording is unambiguous and clear to both parties within the 4 corners of the contract..... well, you fill in the rest.  If you don't want the automatic renewal provision in there when you sign it, then negotiate it out.  Otherwise, don't agree to it!!!
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Token on April 27, 2016, 11:32:02 PM
Damn lawyers. Always looking for a debate.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Kaos on April 28, 2016, 08:02:46 AM
"Should be illegal.

Edit - No one said anything about not reading the contract or knowing what they're signing for. It's a simple argument. Automatic renewals without confirmation should be illegal."


See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore.  Alabama Court of Civil Appeals

No, it should not be illegal.  If YOU enter into a contract and YOU have every opportunity to read/study the contract you're entering into...and YOU choose to agree to it, then don't bitch when the other side wants to enforce one of the key components YOU were too lazy to read up on and put on your calendar.

Contract law in this area is pretty damn easy.  If the wording is unambiguous and clear to both parties within the 4 corners of the contract..... well, you fill in the rest.  If you don't want the automatic renewal provision in there when you sign it, then negotiate it out.  Otherwise, don't agree to it!!!

Porn sites are auto renew.  I get that. 

But when somebody signs an annual contract that includes seven visits and then the contractor -- at its own choice -- does the seven visits in six months with no notification other than a bag on the door, I don't think the auto-renew should kick in.   They should have called, emailed or texted me letting me know.  I had this on my calendar to renegotiate next week because I wasn't completely satisfied with the service.  I've got dead patches, weeds where I shouldn't, and some other concerns.  But now they can't tell me when it actually renews.  They just want me to pay another yearly fee plus $80-100 in late fees.  And hey, we can do aeration for another $300.  Surprised they didn't just do that and send me the bill.

I do agree with THS in that the auto-renew should not be a standard practice.  There should be a choice and you should have to specifically select that you choose to auto renew.  Auto renew should not be the only option.  So maybe not illegal, but regulated differently.

 Unless I have no other choice, I usually don't sign auto-renew contracts because they're notoriously hard to get out of.  To my understanding the lawn care service would not renew unless we reviewed the year's service and I agreed to subsequent treatment.  That is how it was verbally explained to me.  I would not have signed it otherwise. 

Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: War Eagle!!! on April 28, 2016, 08:20:20 AM
So you "small government" guys want the government involved in your lawn contracts now?

But I agree with K...if it was a yearly contract, then you should have a year, and you should have to pay whatever "extra" they came out within a year, not including the 7 visits. It shouldn't auto-renew after the seventh visit. That's bullshit.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 28, 2016, 08:24:43 AM

I do agree with THS in that the auto-renew should not be a standard practice.  There should be a choice and you should have to specifically select that you choose to auto renew.  Auto renew should not be the only option.  So maybe not illegal, but regulated differently.


"If you would read your contracts, you would know that auto-renew is part of the contract that you are signing. You're probably too lazy to read them though, and that's why you want them regulated differently," - TigersX Attorneys.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Townhallsavoy on April 28, 2016, 08:28:25 AM

See Tidwell vs. Pritchett-Moore. 

Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.

Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: CCTAU on April 28, 2016, 08:32:55 AM
Don't tell me what to see.

You would think this is a Trump supporter with that attitude!
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: AUJarhead on April 28, 2016, 08:54:02 AM
Damn lawyers. Always looking for a debate.

And Snags is a master debater.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.

Again with the lack of reading. Did you not read where I said if you don't want it in there, negotiate it out BEFORE you sign it.  But then, I won't tell you what to see or read.   
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
And Snags is a master debater.

I was a master debater at lunch yesterday.  Unfortunately, I'm not welcome in the Longhorn anymore.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 28, 2016, 09:26:12 AM
Don't tell me what to see.

I understand that there are past cases that allow for the legality of automatic renewals. But laws can be changed. All I said was that automatic renewals shouldn't be allowed in contracts. Maybe Kaos extended it better than I did by saying they should always be optional. That's a better way to look at it.

But go ahead and respond and say that I'm lazy for not reading contracts. I know what I sign for. It has nothing to do with a decision I've regretted.
I agree with you re: the auto renewal. However, re this debate, I think the best way for you to win this is to simply slap the fuck out of these bitches.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Godfather on April 28, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
I was a master debater at lunch yesterday.  Unfortunately, I'm not welcome in the Longhorn anymore.
Steers and queers
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 09:54:09 AM
Steers and queers

I don't see no horns, boy.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 11:11:24 AM
So you "small government" guys want the government involved in your lawn contracts now?

But I agree with K...if it was a yearly contract, then you should have a yearand you should have to pay whatever "extra" they came out within a year, not including the 7 visits. It shouldn't auto-renew after the seventh visit. That's bullshit.

That part^^^

Whether illegal or not it's deceptive and shady as hell and lesser things have been regulated that are similar, lesser meaning equal or less deceptive.. Credit card industry, home loans, pay day loans, etc
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 28, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
Most of the Xers are illiterate, so why all this discussion about reading anyway?
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Most of the Xers are illiterate, so why all this discussion about reading anyway?

I'm liturit because I attended the Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
For the local barristers on here, could having to read through 12 pages of old English mumbo jumbo be considered misleading or even slight fraud if the administering party counts on the "muddying of the waters" as a way to get more money out of people?

Say that the clause about auto renew in put in the very middle. Does anyone read every word? Like, realistically? Yes I know by the law you SHOULD. But does the person getting you to sign have any obligation to give you the highlights or at least things you may want to know that are potential show stoppers or have financial implications?  I could just see under those kind of circumstances someone could reason that they were intentionally mislead or deceived for monetary gain.

And we know good and well these places do this stuff on purpose - not telling you key things, burying important details in pages of fine print, etc. They make this stuff so cumbersome and complicated for the sheer purpose of confusing people or having them not give a damn or suspect anything different than what they've been told - resulting in more cash in their pockets. Could the intent to mislead be something that is illegal or at least carefully regulated?

The "I did not say it was auto renew but I also didn't say it wasn't, I just didn't say anything" - doesn't pass the mustard to me and has deceptive practice all over it. And again, we've taken action as a society against much less deception.

I'm small govt in general but one of govts main basic duties it to protect citizens from evil things like these asshat companies. It becomes a consumer protection issue. We've done this same stuff to credit card companies, banks and loan sharks, even car companies with lemon laws. Not trying to go all Ralph Nader on that ass but just sayin.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 28, 2016, 11:59:35 AM
Most of the Xers are illiterate, so why all this discussion about reading anyway?
Bitch, take this back. My Mom and Dad were married when I was born.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 28, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
For the local barristers on here, could having to read through 12 pages of old English mumbo jumbo be considered misleading or even slight fraud if the administering party counts on the "muddying of the waters" as a way to get more money out of people?

Arguably, sure.

The same argument has been made against CC companies and their "universal default" provisions.  See also, "shrink-wrap" licenses.

But, until there is an outright ban on such language, read yo shit.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
I've technically never physically signed anything.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: WiregrassTiger on April 28, 2016, 01:05:17 PM
Arguably, sure.

The same argument has been made against CC companies and their "universal default" provisions.  See also, "shrink-wrap" licenses.

But, until there is an outright ban on such language, read yo shit.
Yes. The above is correct about the argument made against CC companies and their "universal default" provisions and "shrink-wrap" licenses, however, I don't have time to go into the legal details heretofore and whatnot.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 28, 2016, 01:31:12 PM
I've technically never physically signed anything.
Silence is acceptance.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Kaos on April 28, 2016, 01:50:40 PM
Yes. The above is correct about the argument made against CC companies and their "universal default" provisions and "shrink-wrap" licenses, however, I don't have time to go into the legal details heretofore and whatnot.

I been using Saran for years without a license.  So fuck all you hos
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 28, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
I been using Saran for years without a license.  So fudge all you hos
That's what you think...your license has auto renewed every 7 months.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
Arguably, sure.

The same argument has been made against CC companies and their "universal default" provisions.  See also, "shrink-wrap" licenses.

But, until there is an outright ban on such language, read yo shit.

Fair enough. Was more just playing devils advocate and focusing on their intent more than the actual action itself. Seems there is a lot of intent to deceive that goes on with these places. That is more my issue. They know exactly what they are doing.

I work with CC companies all day every day. If people only knew the half of what they try to pull on people...including what you mentioned with default provisions. It's shady as F.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Two situations where people rarely pay close attention to the agreements or wording because of the voluminous amount of paperwork, are buying a new car or closing on a home. They slap form after form after form in front of you and quickly say, "This is the inspection report....this is the warranty report...this is..."  And even being a lawyer, I look at it and go, "Gawt damn, I'm not reading 57 pages of fine print right now.  I want to jump in my new F-150 and get the hell out of here.  Are my payments what they quoted?  Yep!  Where do I sign?"

One thing in Alabama new car contracts that most people sign without giving a second thought to are Arbitration agreements.  I've refused before and even gone across the state line to Georgia to get the same vehicle when they wouldn't agree to do the deal without it.  Arbitration agreements are grossly one-sided in that if you have a dispute over the vehicle or the contract after you drive a $40K vehicle off the lot, that dispute will most likely be decided by an arbitration company of the dealership's choosing.  And yes, that provision is in the agreement they quickly plopped down for you to sign.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 03:09:23 PM
Two situations where people rarely pay close attention to the agreements or wording because of the voluminous amount of paperwork, are buying a new car or closing on a home. They slap form after form after form in front of you and quickly say, "This is the inspection report....this is the warranty report...this is..."  And even being a lawyer, I look at it and go, "Gawt damn, I'm not reading 57 pages of fine print right now.  I want to jump in my new F-150 and get the hell out of here.  Are my payments what they quoted?  Yep!  Where do I sign?"

One thing in Alabama new car contracts that most people sign without giving a second thought to are Arbitration agreements.  I've refused before and even gone across the state line to Georgia to get the same vehicle when they wouldn't agree to do the deal without it.  Arbitration agreements are grossly one-sided in that if you have a dispute over the vehicle or the contract after you drive a $40K vehicle off the lot, that dispute will most likely be decided by an arbitration company of the dealership's choosing.  And yes, that provision is in the agreement they quickly plopped down for you to sign.

This. All of this is what I beez talkin bout Willis. The nature in which they do that. Is it intentional to get it "by you"? I think many times it is.
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Post by: wesfau2 on April 28, 2016, 03:16:17 PM
This. All of this is what I beez talkin bout Willis. The nature in which they do that. Is it intentional to get it "by you"? I think many times it is.

It's two things:

Their bargaining power relative to yours; and
Their bet that the consumer wants instant gratification and will sign whatever to get it.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 28, 2016, 03:16:56 PM
Two situations where people rarely pay close attention to the agreements or wording because of the voluminous amount of paperwork, are buying a new car or closing on a home. They slap form after form after form in front of you and quickly say, "This is the inspection report....this is the warranty report...this is..."  And even being a lawyer, I look at it and go, "Gawt damn, I'm not reading 57 pages of fine print right now.  I want to jump in my new F-150 and get the hell out of here.  Are my payments what they quoted?  Yep!  Where do I sign?"

One thing in Alabama new car contracts that most people sign without giving a second thought to are Arbitration agreements.  I've refused before and even gone across the state line to Georgia to get the same vehicle when they wouldn't agree to do the deal without it.  Arbitration agreements are grossly one-sided in that if you have a dispute over the vehicle or the contract after you drive a $40K vehicle off the lot, that dispute will most likely be decided by an arbitration company of the dealership's choosing.  And yes, that provision is in the agreement they quickly plopped down for you to sign.
You really should have your legal counsel read...oh, wait.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Godfather on April 28, 2016, 03:18:12 PM
It's two things:

Their bargaining power relative to yours; and
Their bet that the consumer wants instant gratification and will sign whatever to get it.
I'll sign your penis for a dollah
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 28, 2016, 03:20:03 PM
Two situations where people rarely pay close attention to the agreements or wording because of the voluminous amount of paperwork, are buying a new car or closing on a home. They slap form after form after form in front of you and quickly say, "This is the inspection report....this is the warranty report...this is..."  And even being a lawyer, I look at it and go, "Gawt damn, I'm not reading 57 pages of fine print right now.  I want to jump in my new F-150 and get the hell out of here.  Are my payments what they quoted?  Yep!  Where do I sign?"

One thing in Alabama new car contracts that most people sign without giving a second thought to are Arbitration agreements.  I've refused before and even gone across the state line to Georgia to get the same vehicle when they wouldn't agree to do the deal without it.  Arbitration agreements are grossly one-sided in that if you have a dispute over the vehicle or the contract after you drive a $40K vehicle off the lot, that dispute will most likely be decided by an arbitration company of the dealership's choosing.  And yes, that provision is in the agreement they quickly plopped down for you to sign.

Well aware of that provision. Still not gonna pay for something that isn't right or doesn't work.  Will return the car to the dealership and go from there.Have done it before. The vehicle turned out to be most unkeen.  Ohhhh, they are going to put it on my credit report.   :rofl:
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 03:20:12 PM
It's two things:

Their bargaining power relative to yours; and
Their bet that the consumer wants instant gratification and will sign whatever to get it.

Bazingo. 
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 03:22:45 PM
I'll sign your penis for a dollah

Oh cool. Sign it, "To Snags"...no wait....there's plenty of room to write out Snaggletiger. Okay, "To Snaggletiger.  All the best from your good friend, Godfather."
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: wesfau2 on April 28, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Oh cool. Sign it, "To Snags"...no wait....there's plenty of room to write out Snaggletiger. Okay, "To Snaggletiger.  All the best from your good friend, Godfather."

"Welcome to Jamaica, Mon, and have a nice day."
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Godfather on April 28, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Oh cool. Sign it, "To Snags"...no wait....there's plenty of room to write out Snaggletiger. Okay, "To Snaggletiger.  All the best from your good friend, Godfather."
Wes may be short but they don't call him the tripod for nothin.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
It's two things:

Their bargaining power relative to yours; and
Their bet that the consumer wants instant gratification and will sign whatever to get it.

Good points. And I would say the latter more than anything.

Especially when you figure in a deal like snags and his new sweet keen ride with heated seats and voice command texting that doesn't actually let him text GH back while driving into A town. He would have signed his nuts away for that truck if he'd actually had them.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 03:52:30 PM
Good points. And I would say the latter more than anything.

Especially when you figure in a deal like snags and his new sweet keen ride with heated seats and voice command texting that doesn't actually let him text GH back while driving into A town. He would have signed his nuts away for that truck if he'd actually had them.

When Mrs. Snags rides with me, she hangs them from the rear view.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: dallaswareagle on April 28, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
When Mrs. Snags rides with me, she hangs them from the rear view.


You can't hide money.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/tcbrass11_zpsg9tdhvrl.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/tcbrass11_zpsg9tdhvrl.jpg.html) 
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Ogre on April 28, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Wes may be short but they don't call him the tripod for nothin.

True, but I think that's due to his abnormally short legs.
Title: Re: So fudge lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
True, but I think that's due to his abnormally short legs.

https://youtu.be/3fdIjinl_BQ
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: GH2001 on April 28, 2016, 04:30:12 PM
When Mrs. Snags rides with me, she hangs them from the rear view.

Atta boy
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 04:32:05 PM
Atta boy

I watch em' swingin' and think about the good ole days.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: chinook on April 28, 2016, 05:48:27 PM
I watch em' swingin' and think about the good ole days.

i bet that wasn't in the contract either.
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: Snaggletiger on April 28, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
i bet that wasn't in the contract either.

That's exactly what I thought, but then I read it and....yea....it was. :facepalm:
Title: Re: So fuck lawn services....
Post by: bottomfeeder on April 28, 2016, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: Snaggletiger link=topic=27119.msg413039c#msg413039 date=1461875525
I watch em' swingin' and think about the good ole days.

"Ever seen a grown man naked?"

https://youtu.be/W3A9rLoz_0o