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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Token on January 18, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
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Perfect place for him to rally. Bunch of fucking idiots. $15 an hour minimum wage, free insurance and free college. It would take a special kind of fucking idiot to listen to that shit and believe it even makes a little sense.
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Saw the news footage this morning. Welfare recipients and college students. I guess it just kicked in now that they make up the majority of Americans. :facepalm:
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Perfect place for him to rally. Bunch of fucking idiots. $15 an hour minimum wage, free insurance and free college. It would take a special kind of fucking idiot to listen to that shit and believe it even makes a little sense.
Hey, I know of a guy on here that....
nevermind.
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Hey, I know of a guy on here that....
nevermind.
That what?............. :thumsup:
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Saw the news footage this morning. Welfare recipients and college students. I guess it just kicked in now that they make up the majority of Americans. :facepalm:
Quite a few of my colleagues went and I'm pretty sure they're ready to tattoo "Bern" on their forehead. I think they'd murder people for the guy.
These are the ones that complain about their graduate school stipend and tuition waiver and the job market while taking out loans to go on two week vacations to Iceland for "intellectual curiosity."
I do think Bernie is 100% legit in caring about the American people. One of the few honest candidates I've ever seen. But he's too reckless and foolish to have any real power. The guy would destroy our economic infrastructure just to feel like he's being fair to the proles.
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I do think Bernie is 100% legit in caring about the American people. One of the few honest candidates I've ever seen. But he's too reckless and foolish to have any real power. The guy would destroy our economic infrastructure just to feel like he's being fair to the proles.
Pretty much my exact take. In that sense, I prefer him to Hillary. I at least believe he thinks he's doing it for the right reasons, and think he's as transparent about what he wants to do as one can be in a primary. He ain't pandering. He's not bullshitting. He's not power grabbing.
That said, I think his math is worse than mine if he thinks the policies he wants to institute are economically feasible.
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I do think Bernie is 100% legit in caring about the American people. One of the few honest candidates I've ever seen. But he's too reckless and foolish to have any real power. The guy would destroy our economic infrastructure just to feel like he's being fair to the proles.
Agree with this, although I admittedly had to look up proles. I guess the 40 years of school you've been in are finally paying off.
Although I would vote for Trump before Bernie for the very reason that you state; I sure do hope that I don't have to make this call.
Why in the hell can't somebody that I really feel good about run? They don't have to be a Ronnie Reagan. What a bunch of zeroes in politics these days. And I guess that answers the question. No one worf a damn is interested in the job.
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Why in the hell can't somebody that I really feel good about run? They don't have to be a Ronnie Reagan. What a bunch of zeroes in politics these days. And I guess that answers the question. No one worf a damn is interested in the job.
Rand Paul ran and now is getting shut out of the debates because dumbs are voting Trump up instead.
He's the only one in the field I could 100% feel good about and vocally support.
As it stands, I'll probably end up wasting a vote on Gary Johnson again.
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Rand Paul ran and now is getting shut out of the debates because dumbs are voting Trump up instead.
He's the only one in the field I could 100% feel good about and vocally support.
As it stands, I'll probably end up wasting a vote on Gary Johnson again.
I thought that he died after Different Strokes went off the air. He was a security guard for a while after that, so I guess he's big on defense. Cool.
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I've looked at every candidate carefully. I don't necessarily like what I'm about to do, but there are no other viable choices.
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I'm in.
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I've looked at every candidate carefully. I don't necessarily like what I'm about to do, but there are no other viable choices.
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I'm in.
Palin just endorsed him. Ann Coulter has endorsed him.
You still sure?
This shitty stuff he is wading in with Cruz bothers the shit out of me. Its classless and has no relevance to anything of substance. Trump is not getting into ANY substance...Cruz and Rubio are, so Trump is retaliating by throwing shit at Cruz (and Rubio to a lesser degree) on the Birther stuff. Its a low class move.
I like Trump's populism but the slumming I just can't get past.
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Rand Paul ran and now is getting shut out of the debates because dumbs are voting Trump up instead.
He's the only one in the field I could 100% feel good about and vocally support.
As it stands, I'll probably end up wasting a vote on Gary Johnson again.
I know you dont want to hear it, but you know thats essentially a vote for Hillary.
I am "ok" with Cruz or Rubio. As far as the ones that have a chance. Trump has lost me totally.
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Why in the hell can't somebody that I really feel good about run? They don't have to be a Ronnie Reagan. What a bunch of zeroes in politics these days. And I guess that answers the question. No one worf a damn is interested in the job.
There are those who are interested and who would probably do a great job.
I think Herman Cain would have made a quality president over time. Ben Carson might, even.
But the media decides early on what they will tolerate. Obama fabricated his whole college experience, plagarized the papers he turned in, forged a birth certificate. He's cool. Carson cheated on a test in the tenth grade. He's dogshit, ruin him!
You end up with empty suit fucks like Obama, do nothings, career pols and... outliers like Trump who don't give a fuck and have enough money not to care.
I loved Sarah Palin. I hate what the media did to her.
I don't have a major problem with Ann Coulter. She's one voice compared to Chris Matthews, that lesbian MSNBC whore, Anderson Cooper, Whoopi Goldberg, Wolf Blitzen and so on and so on for eternity.
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There are those who are interested and who would probably do a great job.
I think Herman Cain would have made a quality president over time. Ben Carson might, even.
But the media decides early on what they will tolerate. Obama fabricated his whole college experience, plagarized the papers he turned in, forged a birth certificate. He's cool. Carson cheated on a test in the tenth grade. He's dogshit, ruin him!
You end up with empty suit fucks like Obama, do nothings, career pols and... outliers like Trump who don't give a fuck and have enough money not to care.
I loved Sarah Palin. I hate what the media did to her.
I don't have a major problem with Ann Coulter. She's one voice compared to Chris Matthews, that lesbian MSNBC whore, Anderson Cooper, Whoopi Goldberg, Wolf Blitzen and so on and so on for eternity.
Would be more on board if he weren't throwing empty bombs and talked about the issues at hand more. He can be a populist and tell it like it is, and not have to resort to those tactics. You have a issue with Cruz? Fine...but make it about something worthwhile, like his stance on an issue that you disagree with...and why he is wrong and yours is right. Sell it to me. Make me want to vote for you.
The last week its essentially been (from Trump): Ted's a poo poo head and hes an illegal Cuban. He wasn't natural born. Hes a jerk. People dont like him. People like me. I can make deals. No one in DC wants to talk with Ted. Im awesome. Did I mention people in DC will like me? Ted is still an illegal unnatural poo poo face. Vote for me.
Nevermind the irony in the "DC doesnt like Ted" line. Has not Trump ran his whole campaign off being a DC outsider who isn't trying to be popular in the beltway? Cruz is getting close to him in the polls and its bothering the Fuck out of him.
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I know you dont want to hear it, but you know thats essentially a vote for Hillary.
I don't mind hearing it. I don't care either. If it's Trump vs. Hillary, letting her win by default while voting my conscience is the lesser of three evils to me.
I am "ok" with Cruz or Rubio. As far as the ones that have a chance. Trump has lost me totally.
Neither are perfect. I prefer Rubio to Cruz. Will take either of them 1,000 times out of 1,000 over Trump.
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I'm with GH on Trump. I've been waiting for the bubble to bust and that may finally be happening. Look, I've never thought Trump would succeed as POTUS. In fact, I've been in the camp that feels it would be an epic disaster. The man has pissed off and alienated too many people to get anything done if he were to get voted in. That being said, he's been the proverbial breath of fresh air during this whole thing and in one sense, may have laid some of the groundwork for future candidates.
I've loved somebody being unafraid to say what the common man has been saying. I've loved having someone say, "Hey, I used to be right there with all the special interests, making untold contributions to this and that in return for favors.....but not anymore". He owes nobody and stands on his own. Can he be a blathering idiot at times? Yes. And again, I don't want the guy in office. But I'd love someone far more "polished" in the future who isn't tied to 100 special interest groups and isn't afraid to offend people by speaking his/her mind.
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who isn't tied to 100 special interest groups and isn't afraid to offend people by speaking his/her mind.
And its sad that people think this is Bernie. ^^
Bernie is tied to a LOT of special interests. Newflash. He aint the saint everyone paints him as. Hes dangerous.
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And its sad that people think this is Bernie. ^^
Bernie is tied to a LOT of special interests. Newflash. He aint the saint everyone paints him as. Hes dangerous.
We've forgotten the danger.
In conversations I've heard people say "I don't care if he's communist I'd vote for him over trump." Or So what if she's a socialist? At least she's not cocky like trump. I don't like his hair."'
Yeah. Trunp is a blowhard. He pisses people off for sport. But he's not a namby pamby career politician. And he speaks for a lot of people who don't have a voice any more because they've been shamed out of it.
Disagree with gay marriage? Homophobe! Queer hater!! Don't support affirmative action? Racist!! Afraid of the cultural erosion coming with the Islamic immigration invasion? Bigot!!!
Political correctness and the media that enforces it has robbed us of our ability to discuss topics. And we get Trump.
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I actually like Bernie more than I like Trump. But I align more with Trump politically, so this could be the first time that I've ever voted for a guy that I truly hate. And I do despise the man.
I think he's a pice of shit, egomaniac who takes pride in taking credit. And bankruptcy has saved his ass, so he shouldn't act so haughtily.
Yet, he'd be much better at running the country than Bernie or Billary.
Bill would actually be a better choice than any of the 3, for me.
Trump only edges out the Dems for me.
I loathe that man more and more each day.
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The question is where the hell does Trump align politically? He's a huge progressive in my eyes. You can hate me for saying it but it's completely true.
Sanders wants to fundamentally transform America and that is completely wrong.
My vote goes to Cruz. One of the things I like about him is that not many people try to attack him on issues because they know they'll lose. Also, I don't have to apologize for anything Cruz says or does because it's exactly what I believe. Trump and his leftist slander tactics tell me exactly who he is. Any attack against Ted Cruz is now an attack against me.
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The question is where the hell does Trump align politically? He's a huge progressive in my eyes. You can hate me for saying it but it's completely true.
Sanders wants to fundamentally transform America and that is completely wrong.
My vote goes to Cruz. One of the things I like about him is that not many people try to attack him on issues because they know they'll lose. Also, I don't have to apologize for anything Cruz says or does because it's exactly what I believe. Trump and his leftist slander tactics tell me exactly who he is. Any attack against Ted Cruz is now an attack against me.
Pretty much where I am now as well. I had high hopes for Carson, and would still love to see him climb back up the polls, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It's Cruz or the Dominican Republic for me now.
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Pretty much where I am now as well. I had high hopes for Carson, and would still love to see him climb back up the polls, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It's Cruz or the Dominican Republic for me now.
I hear St. Croix is nice.
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Pretty much where I am now as well. I had high hopes for Carson, and would still love to see him climb back up the polls, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It's Cruz or the Dominican Republic for me now.
You're just like all the other movie star types that threaten to leave the country. Srsly, you are a lot like Rosie O'donnel in many ways. You two are like twins.
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Pretty much where I am now as well. I had high hopes for Carson, and would still love to see him climb back up the polls, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It's Cruz or the Dominican Republic for me now.
Nice golf courses, but the population lacks any real variety.
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Nice golf courses, but the population lacks any real variety.
Kind of like the Oscars.
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I'm still holding out hope that Trump is only here to get a faction of the voting population that the republican party couldn't get, only to bow out gracefully and urge all of his supporters to support Rubio or Cruz. But I'm starting to see now his ego won't let that happen.
At the end of the day, I'll be voting for Rubio or Cruz during the primaries, haven't made my mind up yet on which. Then, I'll vote against socialism and communism in the presidential election by whatever means necessary.
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by whatever means necessary.
I suspected you were NOI, the whole time.
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Pretty much where I am now as well. I had high hopes for Carson, and would still love to see him climb back up the polls, but I seriously doubt it will happen. It's Cruz or the Dominican Republic for me now.
The birther stuff.
The bomb throwing and name calling of Cruz.
The endorsements of Coulter and Palin.
His constant flip flops on things and past positions of supporting progressives more than anything
Lack of substance or ANY amount of detail
Nah, Im good. I just don't trust him. He's provided no substance, and has resorted to going to the mud with Cruz since he's now locked in tight with him in Iowa. Because he sure as hell isn't gonna stand toe to toe with Ted on actual policy debate.
He's even resorted to promising Iowans MORE Corn Subsidies that even Obama gave and his Senate gave them. Tell me that aint buying votes.
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The question is where the hell does Trump align politically? He's a huge progressive in my eyes. You can hate me for saying it but it's completely true.
Sanders wants to fundamentally transform America and that is completely wrong.
My vote goes to Cruz. One of the things I like about him is that not many people try to attack him on issues because they know they'll lose. Also, I don't have to apologize for anything Cruz says or does because it's exactly what I believe. Trump and his leftist slander tactics tell me exactly who he is. Any attack against Ted Cruz is now an attack against me.
Pretty much my take 100%.
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We've forgotten the danger.
In conversations I've heard people say "I don't care if he's communist I'd vote for him over trump." Or So what if she's a socialist? At least she's not cocky like trump. I don't like his hair."'
Yeah. Trunp is a blowhard. He pisses people off for sport. But he's not a namby pamby career politician. And he speaks for a lot of people who don't have a voice any more because they've been shamed out of it.
Disagree with gay marriage? Homophobe! Queer hater!! Don't support affirmative action? Racist!! Afraid of the cultural erosion coming with the Islamic immigration invasion? Bigot!!!
Political correctness and the media that enforces it has robbed us of our ability to discuss topics. And we get Trump.
I'm watching and waiting. But I laugh every time someone tries to poo poo on Trump. His numbers just keep going up. Is he an ideal candidate? Probably not. But he has been in business long enough to know the game. I've never seen him organize a community. He's never been part of any establishment that did not make him money. And I've never seen a pic of him with Saul Alinsky. So I watch and I wait.
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I'm watching and waiting. But I laugh every time someone tries to poo poo on Trump. His numbers just keep going up. Is he an ideal candidate? Probably not. But he has been in business long enough to know the game. I've never seen him organize a community. He's never been part of any establishment that did not make him money. And I've never seen a pic of him with Saul Alinsky. So I watch and I wait.
Just because he isn't a commie doesn't mean there aren't better people more qualified on the gop side. Some on that side actually have conviction. And have stood on the house floor trying to stop Barry's commie legislation. Where the fuck were trump or palin when Cruz, Paul, Lee and Rubio were trying stop Barrycare?
Donald has molded himself into a Jonny come lately populist. Check out his views from years ago. Or how he was in bed with Bloomberg or Hillary or cuomo or wiener very recently. Now suddenly he is this revolutionary conservative freedom fighter? F that noise. Trump is a walking ego. He wants the power. And will say anything to the primary voters to get it. Such as getting a hypocrite evangelical nutjob like palin to endorse him to sway a few holy roller votes in Iowa. Or promising people in Iowa more subsidies at the 11th hour to sway some more votes?
Gimme a break.
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I still think Trump will slip up along the way. He seems to reckless in the PR department. I still feel the Republicans will end up pulling for Cruz. Not sure Rubio nor Carson can make up the ground at this point.
As far as Bernie is concerned, I'd rather see him get a sniff at the WH than I would Hillary but that isn't really saying much except they both suck.
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Just because he isn't a commie doesn't mean there aren't better people more qualified on the gop side. Some on that side actually have conviction. And have stood on the house floor trying to stop Barry's commie legislation. Where the fuck were trump or palin when Cruz, Paul, Lee and Rubio were trying stop Barrycare?
Donald has molded himself into a Jonny come lately populist. Check out his views from years ago. Or how he was in bed with Bloomberg or Hillary or cuomo or wiener very recently. Now suddenly he is this revolutionary conservative freedom fighter? F that noise. Trump is a walking ego. He wants the power. And will say anything to the primary voters to get it. Such as getting a hypocrite evangelical nutjob like palin to endorse him to sway a few holy roller votes in Iowa. Or promising people in Iowa more subsidies at the 11th hour to sway some more votes?
Gimme a break.
You get a break. Those like you have allowed the establishment to continue unabated for years, you helped create a Trump. Cruz has been pretty staunch in his conservative approach, but he, at this time, does not seem to have the charisma to win. Rubio has had a few questionable decisions in the immigration department. Still, both have been on office. They are associated with the norm.
I have no problem with Cruz or Rubio. But I still have no problem with Trump. Trump knows business. He has dealt with many countries along the way. He is not a stupid man. And so far, he is winning without laying out a specific plan. He has goaded the media into paying for most of his advertising. He gets things done. He is pro business, pro money, and pro America. A strong America means a strong Trump. I am not clueless to that. I'm not saying he is the answer, but I'm not saying he is NOT the answer. He still may screw it up. But he may just win the primary. At that point, many of us must make a choice. If your choice is Gary Johnson, you are part of the problem and should never bitch about a dim in office again.
So for now, I wait and see.
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You get a break. Those like you have allowed the establishment to continue unabated for years, you helped create a Trump. Cruz has been pretty staunch in his conservative approach, but he, at this time, does not seem to have the charisma to win. Rubio has had a few questionable decisions in the immigration department. Still, both have been on office. They are associated with the norm.
I have no problem with Cruz or Rubio. But I still have no problem with Trump. Trump knows business. He has dealt with many countries along the way. He is not a stupid man. And so far, he is winning without laying out a specific plan. He has goaded the media into paying for most of his advertising. He gets things done. He is pro business, pro money, and pro America. A strong America means a strong Trump. I am not clueless to that. I'm not saying he is the answer, but I'm not saying he is NOT the answer. He still may screw it up. But he may just win the primary. At that point, many of us must make a choice. If your choice is Gary Johnson, you are part of the problem and should never bitch about a dim in office again.
So for now, I wait and see.
You seriously just call me establishment and part of the problem? You are on as much crack as trump and palin. Not sure where the Gary Johnson stuff is coming from. Never once mentioned that guy or support for the establishment but you keep building that straw man.
Cruz is as anti establishment as it gets. Rubio is solid. Not sure where you are getting your assertions about me. Mark Levin is right. You trump knobslobbers have painted this narrative that you either have to like the Donald or you are an establishment shill. I believe Cruz was the one fighting Barry, his band of commies and the establishment in dc, not Donald.
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Just because he isn't a commie doesn't mean there aren't better people more qualified on the gop side. Some on that side actually have conviction. And have stood on the house floor trying to stop Barry's commie legislation. Where the fuck were trump or palin when Cruz, Paul, Lee and Rubio were trying stop Barrycare?
Donald has molded himself into a Jonny come lately populist. Check out his views from years ago. Or how he was in bed with Bloomberg or Hillary or cuomo or wiener very recently. Now suddenly he is this revolutionary conservative freedom fighter? F that noise. Trump is a walking ego. He wants the power. And will say anything to the primary voters to get it. Such as getting a hypocrite evangelical nutjob like palin to endorse him to sway a few holy roller votes in Iowa. Or promising people in Iowa more subsidies at the 11th hour to sway some more votes?
Gimme a break.
The only difference in Hillary and Trump, is not the authoritarian big government policy, massive ego, thirst for power, war mongering, bullshit artistry, hucksterism, saying whatever will get them votes. It's that at least she doesn't sound like a blathering fucking idiot with every single thing that comes out of her mouth, and at least she actually does have some experience in actually governing. That is not an endorsement of Hillary. It's to say that Hillary is awful and Trump is somehow even worse.
I still think Trump will slip up along the way. He seems to reckless in the PR department. I still feel the Republicans will end up pulling for Cruz. Not sure Rubio nor Carson can make up the ground at this point.
As far as Bernie is concerned, I'd rather see him get a sniff at the WH than I would Hillary but that isn't really saying much except they both suck.
WHEN?!? People keep saying this and every day that passes, it is a dumber thing to say. What in the bleeding fuck could this guy possibly do that would lose CCTAU & Kaos's vote? I'm fairly positive he could read passages from Mein Kampf and they'd nod along.
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:popcorn:
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You seriously just call me establishment and part of the problem? You are on as much crack as trump and palin. Not sure where the Gary Johnson stuff is coming from. Never once mentioned that guy or support for the establishment but you keep building that straw man.
Cruz is as anti establishment as it gets. Rubio is solid. Not sure where you are getting your assertions about me. Mark Levin is right. You trump knobslobbers have painted this narrative that you either have to like the Donald or you are an establishment shill. I believe Cruz was the one fighting Barry, his band of commies and the establishment in dc, not Donald.
No, no no. You're part of the GOP establishment if you support someone from a completely different party entirely, whose pretty much entire platform as a party is disrupting the status quo...
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Unless this makes sense to you, you're just a cog in the machine, man...
https://vine.co/v/ieKI9rebnEB
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I thought I read that Kaos said this movie was too long and very redundant. :spidy:
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WHEN?!? People keep saying this and every day that passes, it is a dumber thing to say. What in the bleeding fuck could this guy possibly do that would lose CCTAU & Kaos's vote? I'm fairly positive he could read passages from Mein Kampf and they'd nod along.
Don't know but I hope soon before the final primary votes are in. The more Trump gets comfortable the more he opens his mouth to say something stupid. My assumption is that he will eventually and will back himself into a corner to where he has to withdraw. Either that or Cruz will really have to put on the pressure. I really don't want to Trump to be the one I vote for but I would vote for him over the Dem option. Its that bad. Hell, to be honest I'd weigh the option of not even voting.
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You seriously just call me establishment and part of the problem? You are on as much crack as trump and palin. Not sure where the Gary Johnson stuff is coming from. Never once mentioned that guy or support for the establishment but you keep building that straw man.
Cruz is as anti establishment as it gets. Rubio is solid. Not sure where you are getting your assertions about me. Mark Levin is right. You trump knobslobbers have painted this narrative that you either have to like the Donald or you are an establishment shill. I believe Cruz was the one fighting Barry, his band of commies and the establishment in dc, not Donald.
Because Cruz has been there, he is considered part of the establishment by many. I was speaking in terms of perception. I have said many times that I have not decided, yet you sandy vagina types want to refer to anyone still giving Trump a chance as "knobslobbers". Funny.
I am starting to put you in the same category as chizad when it come to Trump. You are so blinded, you don't actually listen. I expect it from him. I thought better of you. Sorry.
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Because Cruz has been there, he is considered part of the establishment by many. I was speaking in terms of perception. I have said many times that I have not decided, yet you sandy vagina types want to refer to anyone still giving Trump a chance as "knobslobbers". Funny.
I am starting to put you in the same category as chizad when it come to Trump. You are so blinded, you don't actually listen. I expect it from him. I thought better of you. Sorry.
It's the defending him to the death that bewilders me. The refusing to see his obvious flaws. And how he's pulled the wool over your eyes. You're so blinded by his fiery rhetoric that you ignore his flawed policy positions. There is a reason he doesn't talk about them. I think you really need to look up the definition of who the establishment is. Cruz is hardly establishment. It's why he was the only one (along with rand Paul) filibustering unconstitutional legislation the last 4 years. We're talking ideology vs identity. Trump has invented this identity. And it's fooling a lot of people. He has no record or history of actually being like this ideologically.
I'll just leave this here (written by those establishment shills at red state):
http://www.redstate.com/diary/jdrucker/2016/01/19/greatest-con-ever-donald-trump-convincing-conservatives-hes-rino/
The Greatest Con Ever: Donald Trump Convincing Conservatives He’s Not a #RINO
Posted by JD Rucker on January 19, 2016 at 4:58 am
The Greatest Con Ever: Donald Trump Convincing Conservatives He’s Not a RINO
Republican In Name Only. Donald Trump is the paragon, the epitome of the phrase. He's conservative on immigration. On every other topic, he's moderate at best and often more liberal than even Hillary Clinton. He pulls his calls for tariffs straight out of Bernie Sanders' playbook. Why, then, are so many Republicans and likely a good number of conservatives supporting him?
The answer is simple: he's an incredible salesman. We're not talking about Don Draper in Mad Men. We're talking about the hard sale. It's the long con. We're talking about a man who has assumed a new identity in the guise of a Republican in order to achieve his greatest ambition: sitting in the Oval Office.
I'm not going to bore everyone with details of his extremely liberal past. Either you're already aware of it or you're a Trump apologist who does one of three things:
Ignore the facts because Trump is going to make America great again.
Suspend disbelief by falling for the idea that a hardcore Democrat for several decades saw the error in his ways just in time to get onto an easily manipulated ticket (more on that in a moment).
Cover your ears, avert your eyes, and post memes on Facebook about Donald Trump's awesomeness, incredibleness, supermegacoolness, or whatever it is you have in those single-panel cartoons with small writing, all caps, bad font, and grammatical errors.
Let's assume that if you've read this far, you're either against Trump or you're an intelligent, open-minded Republican who supports Trump but who has started wondering if there's really something to all of this talk about him being a RINO.
To fix this before it's too late, we have to recognize why we're here in the first place.
Let's face it. The Republican Establishment that gave us Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and the long string of weak RINOs are the people who have controlled the party since Ronald Reagan left the White House. What many don't realize is that they've only had one major loss in the last four decades and that happened to be Reagan. They vowed after that loss to never let it happen again and unfortunately they've succeeded.
Their success has bred their failure. Enough is enough and thanks to sites like this one, Republicans are waking up to some new concepts that go against the Establishment. For example, today one does not have to be a far-right extremist to believe that the Tea Party has some great points. One does not have to be an isolationist to realize that the Libertarians have some good ideas. One does not have to buy into the idea that it takes a moderate to make things happen in Washington DC. In fact, we're now seeing the truth that moderate Republicans controlling the House and Senate have been impotent against President Obama.
The Republican Establishment got their wish: control of Congress and most governorships. Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for conservatives), they no longer have an excuse about why it's not working. They think they do. They believe if they can get Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, or even John Kasich into the White House, they'll be able to prove that they haven't been wrong for the last 40 years. They'll be able to demonstrate that Ronald Reagan was a fluke. They'll have solid control over the Republican Party.
That won't happen, at least not the way they had planned. Thanks to their failures, the Republican electorate is ready for a conservative. For the first time since 1980, the conservative base is strong enough and has facts to back the idea that we need a true conservative in the White House.
Donald Trump saw this. He's been banking on it. He knew that the only way that he could appease his own ego and get into the White House was through the only path that suits his skills: emotion. You can sell emotion. You can sell anger. You can sell passion. President Obama sold emotion. He sold hope. This might not seem very similar to what Donald Trump is selling, but the difference between hope and anger is simply a degree of separation along the same parallels. The sales pitch for both are actually quite similar even if the delivery is different.
A case study on how Obama and Trump sold their emotional merchandise to the American people could go on for several pages. For this post, please stipulate for the sake of time that Barack Obama was the greatest emotional Presidential salesperson of the modern era and that Donald Trump could usurp him if he had more merchandise. Obama had tons of wares. Trump has two. That may be his Achilles Heel. Then again, it may be enough for him to win the nomination and ruin the country.
Every great salesman needs a good product. It doesn't have to be a great product; the Chrysler PT Cruiser was very popular and sold like crazy until people realized it was a just a fad vehicle on a Dodge Neon frame.
Trump knew that he had two choices: fight the Democrats for their nomination or grab the hot potato - immigration - and say what the Republican Establishment has been unwilling to say based upon their playbook of being kinder and gentler for the sake of Independents. This is the "easily manipulated ticket" that I referenced earlier.
I would contend that Donald Trump has been considering a run for a long time - over a decade. I would also contend that he's strategically brilliant enough to watch for the best opening. Historically, the best time to run is either against a weak incumbent (a la Jimmy Carter and George H. W. Bush) or as the opposition following a second term.
Not to paint too much of a conspiracy, but I believe he considered running against George W. Bush as a Democrat in 2004 but decided against it based upon support for the war. He also considered running as a Democrat in 2008, but didn't want to go up against his good buddy Hillary Clinton. Had John McCain won the election and had his first term not gone well, I would almost guarantee he would have run against him as a Democrat in 2012.
Barack Obama won in 2008 and Trump saw his opening. He knew he would run as a Republican. He also knew that his path was to go after immigration. It's the ultimate smokescreen. One can do all of the liberal things that Trump has done over the decades and erase them all by tackling immigration as a conservative on the issue. It was a masterfully conceived plan. The only question that remained was whether to run against Obama in 2012 or to wait until 2016. The rest is unfolding as we speak.
His other product was handed to him by the terrorists in Paris and San Bernardino. They filled Americans with enough outrage that all of the other issues such as his progressive tax plan, his proposals for trillion-dollar infrastructure fixes, or his Sandersesque positions on "free" trade don't register as a blip on his supporters' radar. His history has been obscured or excused because (and I quote from a Trump supporter's Facebook comment), "Trump will stop the Mexicans and the Muslims and that's all I need to know."
At this point, there is thankfully no path to the nomination for any of the Establishment's options. Ben Carson, for all of his good qualities, is just not Presidential material. That means that there are two choices: Trump or Ted Cruz.
For the Establishment, this poses a terrible scenario. I don't fear Trump's current supporters. As we've now learned, his net favorability is low enough for Republicans that there won't be much of a natural migration towards him when candidates drop out during the Primaries. My fear is the Establishment thinking that they'd rather have a liberal like Trump than a conservative like Cruz. As insane as it may sound, that's currently the most likely scenario. They would never admit it, of course, but they fear Ted Cruz more than they fear Hillary Clinton.
At this point, you may be thinking I'm crazy. Here's why I'm not: a Trump nomination, by the Establishment's estimation, is still a victory because it gives them credibility in the long run. Stop and think about it. If he gets the nomination and loses to the Democrats, they'll have all of the proof they need to point to their milquetoast candidates of the future as the best path to winning the White House. If he wins the nomination as well as the Presidency, they'll be able to either control him or not. If they control him, they win. If they don't control him and he loses after his first term, they'll again have ammunition for future elections.
The same doesn't hold true for a Cruz nomination. First and foremost, he would most likely win against the Democrats. Second, he's demonstrated that the Republican Establishment is incapable of controlling him. Third, he would probably win a second term. In other words, he'd be Ronald Reagan all over again and the Establishment has worked so hard to erase that anomaly from their record.
Donald Trump is conservative on immigration. On every other issue, he's very clearly liberal. His views on affirmative action, the economy, Medicare, foreign policy, and infrastructure go against everything Republicans stand for. In other words, he's the ultimate Republican In Name Only.
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The republican establishment would rather have Trump than Cruz. Anybody who calls a Cruz supporter part of the "establishment" hasn't done their homework.
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The only difference in Hillary and Trump, is not the authoritarian big government policy, massive ego, thirst for power, war mongering, bullshit artistry, hucksterism, saying whatever will get them votes. It's that at least she doesn't sound like a blathering fucking idiot with every single thing that comes out of her mouth,
(http://www.isthatbaloney.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hillary-clinton-old-hag-3.jpg)
Actually, she does sound like a fucking idiot. She's as disconnected from the reality of day-to-day life as Oprah or Barbara "people really don't live on less than $100,000 a year, do they?" Walters. She's an established liar, a power-mad loon, a complete and total phony. She's also an insecure redneck hillbilly at her core. A guy I used to work with was a Navy Seal and he knew some of the detail that worked the White House. He said Hill and Bill were like country come to town. They should have charged them a deposit on their white house rent due to the things they stole and damaged.
and at least she actually does have some experience in actually governing. That is not an endorsement of Hillary. It's to say that Hillary is awful and Trump is somehow even worse.
Her experience governing is an unmitigated disaster. She was an ineffective Senator and a destructive/dangerous Secretary of State (a job for which she was utterly unqualified). The whore bag has never held a real job, never earned her own money, never had to live or die on her own work/merit. She's a career politician and completely unsuited for anything else. She's not intelligent, she's not savvy and she's not based in the same reality in which we all must exist. Therefore her ideas, her ideals and her policy decisions will be based on ignorance.
Is this what we really want after eight years of the worst presidential leadership in the history of this nation? Can we survive four or eight years of this hag?
WHEN?!? People keep saying this and every day that passes, it is a dumber thing to say. What in the bleeding fuck could this guy possibly do that would lose CCTAU & Kaos's vote? I'm fairly positive he could read passages from Mein Kampf and they'd nod along.
Hillary and Bernie are taking entire chapters from Das Kapital and you're mooing along with the rest of the cattle. What's the difference?
We've tried the career politicans. We've tried the stuffed shirts. We've tried the family trees. Maybe we need something different. Maybe we need to shake up the whole thing, break it down and build it better.
That's what you don't understand. I'm no Trumper. But given the other available options? I'd take his "don't give a fuck" attitude over the politically correct soy milk spewing from the rest. I'd rather have somebody willing to DO something and make mistakes than somebody who can't decide what to say or think until all the opinion polls are in. I'll also make this clear. If I thought anybody else had a chance in hell of winning the Republican nomination I'd take a long hard look at that person. But they don't. It's going to be Trump. And he's running against Hildebeast. Easy choice for me.
Bill? I'd probably vote for him if that was an option. But I'd never vote for the shrew he's married to. Not because she's a woman, but because she's uniquely un-qualified, interested in her own power moreso than the safety and improvement of this country and because she's (in my opinion) a dangerously raging lunatic. And I won't vote for a fucking avowed communist either. That's ridiculous.
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I thought I read that Kaos said this movie was too long and very redundant. :spidy:
Roadkill pictures in 3....2....
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It's the defending him to the death that bewilders me. The refusing to see his obvious flaws. And how he's pulled the wool over your eyes. You're so blinded by his fiery rhetoric that you ignore his flawed policy positions. There is a reason he doesn't talk about them. I think you really need to look up the definition of who the establishment is. Cruz is hardly establishment. It's why he was the only one (along with rand Paul) filibustering unconstitutional legislation the last 4 years. We're talking ideology vs identity. Trump has invented this identity. And it's fooling a lot of people. He has no record or history of actually being like this ideologically.
So now waiting to see how things shake out is "defending to the death"? Just admit it, your vajayjay is sandy when it comes to Trump.
And I said the PERCEPTION is that Cruz is part of the establishment SINCE he does hold office.
So YES, If you support Cruz while poo-pooing Trump, you will be perceived as supporting the establishment. People as so pissed at the current way things are done, they don't even listen to guys like Cruz, even when they should. I'm not saying Cruz is NOT the best candidate. And I am not saying he IS.
I LIKE CRUZ. (Does that douche it out for you a bit?)
But I don't DISLIKE Trump.
I AM waiting to see where things end up.
Like someone else said, somebody will screw up here shortly. But until then I am not crying over a little mud.
But there is no call for the hatred of Trump that you are espousing.
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Once again, I used the power of the Googled Chromes to do a little research. We've gotten too caught up here recently in seeing who can establish a particular candidate as a blathering idiot incapable of stringing together 3 complete and coherent sentences. I found a site for something called Council on Foreign Relations. Disclaimer: I have no clue who they are or if they lean left, sway to the right or swish in the middle. I just found that there was no opinion given to muddy the waters. Just a quick take on each candidates position concerning many of the top issues. I looked at Cruz and Trump, since they seem to be the front runners right now.
Immigration:
Cruz: Complete 700 miles of fencing along the border. Triple the number of border patrols. Cut off Federal support for "Sanctuary Cities"
Trump: Construct a wall along the entire border. Triple border patrols and incorporate air surveillance. Round up 11 million illegals and send them back. Legally require businesses to hire U.S. Citizens first before any others.
Defense:
Cruz: Increase military spending. No long term occupations. (Love this quote) "It's not our military's job to produce democratic utopias around the world.
Trump: Increase military spending. "Maximum firepower". "Only go to war to win."
Trade:
Cruz: In favor of free trade. Opening up foreign markets helps everyone, especially farmers.
Trump: In favor of free trade. Penalize U.S. companies that shift manufacturing outside the country. Renegotiate NAFTA or break it all together.
Certainly, there's much more on those and many other issues. Just some general bullet points. I'm not promoting Trump here by any means. You know where I stand on his candidacy. I just find it funny how many times I've read on here that there's no substance, no plan for what he says he wants to accomplish. But if you look around for some true, objectives takes on the candidate's positions, you see that he's just as, if not more specific about how he would go about things than the others.
I'm the type that I don't want somebody's opinions, I want the facts and let me form my own. BTW, the more I see of where Cruz stands, the more I think he's who I'll get behind. I'd like to see him be a bit more Trump-esque on some of the issues and not stop short of saying what needs to be said. Example: Both he and Trump want to fence/wall-off the border and increase the patrols. Cruz just says it would be a mistake to grant amnesty to the illegals. Trump says round them up and get them out of here. But you can't say that and not piss somebody off.
Anywayz, I'd like to see more talk on where candidates stand than who you think they are. Hey, a little research told me Ben Carson says do away with home mortgage interest deductions. WHAAAT? Wait, instead...a straight across the board, flat tax of 14.9%. No exceptions. I don't know if the numbers would work but that's at least worth a look.
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So now waiting to see how things shake out is "defending to the death"? Just admit it, your vajayjay is sandy when it comes to Trump.
And I said the PERCEPTION is that Cruz is part of the establishment SINCE he does hold office.
So YES, If you support Cruz while poo-pooing Trump, you will be perceived as supporting the establishment. People as so pissed at the current way things are done, they don't even listen to guys like Cruz, even when they should. I'm not saying Cruz is NOT the best candidate. And I am not saying he IS.
I LIKE CRUZ. (Does that douche it out for you a bit?)
But I don't DISLIKE Trump.
I AM waiting to see where things end up.
Like someone else said, somebody will screw up here shortly. But until then I am not crying over a little mud.
But there is no call for the hatred of Trump that you are espousing.
You know that's not what establishment means right?
We're trying to tell you the guy is a snake. A wolf in sheeps clothing. Judge by past actions and habits. Not by current rhetoric. The guy has you all fooled.
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Once again, I used the power of the Googled Chromes to do a little research. We've gotten too caught up here recently in seeing who can establish a particular candidate as a blathering idiot incapable of stringing together 3 complete and coherent sentences. I found a site for something called Council on Foreign Relations. Disclaimer: I have no clue who they are or if they lean left, sway to the right or swish in the middle. I just found that there was no opinion given to muddy the waters. Just a quick take on each candidates position concerning many of the top issues. I looked at Cruz and Trump, since they seem to be the front runners right now.
Immigration:
Cruz: Complete 700 miles of fencing along the border. Triple the number of border patrols. Cut off Federal support for "Sanctuary Cities"
Trump: Construct a wall along the entire border. Triple border patrols and incorporate air surveillance. Round up 11 million illegals and send them back. Legally require businesses to hire U.S. Citizens first before any others.
Defense:
Cruz: Increase military spending. No long term occupations. (Love this quote) "It's not our military's job to produce democratic utopias around the world.
Trump: Increase military spending. "Maximum firepower". "Only go to war to win."
Trade:
Cruz: In favor of free trade. Opening up foreign markets helps everyone, especially farmers.
Trump: In favor of free trade. Penalize U.S. companies that shift manufacturing outside the country. Renegotiate NAFTA or break it all together.
Certainly, there's much more on those and many other issues. Just some general bullet points. I'm not promoting Trump here by any means. You know where I stand on his candidacy. I just find it funny how many times I've read on here that there's no substance, no plan for what he says he wants to accomplish. But if you look around for some true, objectives takes on the candidate's positions, you see that he's just as, if not more specific about how he would go about things than the others.
I'm the type that I don't want somebody's opinions, I want the facts and let me form my own. BTW, the more I see of where Cruz stands, the more I think he's who I'll get behind. I'd like to see him be a bit more Trump-esque on some of the issues and not stop short of saying what needs to be said. Example: Both he and Trump want to fence/wall-off the border and increase the patrols. Cruz just says it would be a mistake to grant amnesty to the illegals. Trump says round them up and get them out of here. But you can't say that and not piss somebody off.
Anywayz, I'd like to see more talk on where candidates stand than who you think they are. Hey, a little research told me Ben Carson says do away with home mortgage interest deductions. WHAAAT? Wait, instead...a straight across the board, flat tax of 14.9%. No exceptions. I don't know if the numbers would work but that's at least worth a look.
Except trump is just talk. What has he ever done to back any of this talk up? Ted has the votes to back it up. Funny how trump just became conservative and concerned 9 months ago. Not a peep during the Aca debacle.
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Except trump is just talk. What has he ever done to back any of this talk up? Ted has the votes to back it up. Funny how trump just became conservative and concerned 9 months ago. Not a peep during the Aca debacle.
About as much as Obama had done when he got in office. To be fair, if you're going to seek the office, you kind of have to decide where you stand on the issues and decide what you would about them once and for all. I saw one site that listed his quotes chronologically on numerous different issues and yes, he's changed his tune quite a few times over the years. But then, so have I.
Again, I'm in no way endorsing the guy. I just think we're getting too caught up in the persona of the candidate rather than the substance. I'm just saying if we look at the things he's actually proposing, whether you agree or disagree with them, there's far more substance and specifics than anyone cares to admit. No, he hasn't held office. But that doesn't mean he can't form an opinion and decide, "If I'm elected, this is what I would do." The problem for me with Trump, as I've said many times, I just think he's pissed too many people off to get anyone to work with him to get any of his plans accomplished.
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About as much as Obama had done when he got in office. To be fair, if you're going to seek the office, you kind of have to decide where you stand on the issues and decide what you would about them once and for all. I saw one site that listed his quotes chronologically on numerous different issues and yes, he's changed his tune quite a few times over the years. But then, so have I.
Again, I'm in no way endorsing the guy. I just think we're getting too caught up in the persona of the candidate rather than the substance. I'm just saying if we look at the things he's actually proposing, whether you agree or disagree with them, there's far more substance and specifics than anyone cares to admit. No, he hasn't held office. But that doesn't mean he can't form an opinion and decide, "If I'm elected, this is what I would do." The problem for me with Trump, as I've said many times, I just think he's pissed too many people off to get anyone to work with him to get any of his plans accomplished.
Where was Trump when the gang of eight tried to push through amnesty? He didn't say one word, and if he cared as much as he says he does, I expect he would have said something.
Meanwhile in the senate, Cruz fought to kill the gang of eight amnesty bill. I can go on about Cruz actually fighting for his beliefs, but Trump has done nothing.
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Where was Trump when the gang of eight tried to push through amnesty? He didn't say one word, and if he cared as much as he says he does, I expect he would have said something.
Meanwhile in the senate, Cruz fought to kill the gang of eight amnesty bill. I can go on about Cruz actually fighting for his beliefs, but Trump has done nothing.
Where was Trump? 2013? I think he was probably filming The Apprentice. He wasn't in politics and had no reason make any statement one way or another about it. So, you're going to hold that against him?
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Where was Trump? 2013? I think he was probably filming The Apprentice. He wasn't in politics and had no reason make any statement one way or another about it. So, you're going to hold that against him?
He acts like he's so concerned about all this stuff suddenly. Overnight. These problems have been building for years and he hasn't once expressed any concern. In fact he held views that jive with the issues. He's held very liberal positions over the years. Rotten bottom is right. Some have actually fought for these things. And others just talk.
Anyone can say the "what". I've yet to see him explain "how". He has no clue on how political maneuvering in Dc works. Reagan understood it.
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FEEL THE BERN!!!!!
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He acts like he's so concerned about all this stuff suddenly. Overnight. These problems have been building for years and he hasn't once expressed any concern. In fact he held views that jive with the issues. He's held very liberal positions over the years. Rotten bottom is right. Some have actually fought for these things. And others just talk.
Anyone can say the "what". I've yet to see him explain "how". He has no clue on how political maneuvering in Dc works. Reagan understood it.
Simply pointed out that RB called out Trump for not saying something at a time when Trump wasn't even in politics. He was an actor/businessman/entrepreneur. Why would he even address what the "Gang of Eight" were doing and why would anyone care if he did? Sorry, but he's been an open book about who he is/was from the start of this.
You said he has no idea on how to handle political maneuvering. Isn't that pretty much what has endeared him to millions of Americans? They're sick and fucking tired of political maneuvering. He couldn't care less. Is that ultimately the right formula? No!!! I've said so multiple times. It won't work in the end. But people need to take note of what's going on and how he's changed the perception of the political process.
As for the "how". I think he's laid that out far better than 90% of the politicians in this race. Agree or disagree.
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Where was Trump? 2013? I think he was probably filming The Apprentice. He wasn't in politics and had no reason make any statement one way or another about it. So, you're going to hold that against him?
Yes I hold it against him. Along with all of his other flip-flop views. I also believe in a 2015 interview that Trump came out and said he supported amnesty.
This is my first election to vote in, and I've done my homework on these guys. I can't support someone with a mixed past and someone who has offered no plausible attainable ideas.
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Yes I hold it against him. Along with all of his other flip-flop views. I also believe in a 2015 interview that Trump came out and said he supported amnesty.
This is my first election to vote in, and I've done my homework on these guys. I can't support someone with a mixed past and someone who has offered no plausible attainable ideas.
This from CNN. This is your first election to vote in. Trump has definitely changed his stance on many issues. Do you think you'll feel the same about these same issues 20 years from now as you do right now? Let me go ahead and tell you. No...you won't. Not even 5 years from now.
(CNN)—Donald Trump said on Thursday that Marco Rubio favors "amnesty" for undocumented immigrants because the Florida senator and his parents are Hispanic.
"That's why he wants amnesty," Trump told Erin Burnett during an interview on "Erin Burnett OutFront."
The billionaire repeatedly pointed to Rubio's efforts in support of a 2013 bipartisan immigration reform bill, which passed the Senate but stalled in the House, as evidence against his Republican primary rival.
"He was always in favor of amnesty, he was always in favor of letting people pour into the country," Trump said, "then what happened is, when people found that out, he sank like a rock in the water."
Trump also suggested that no more than 10% of the 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the country pay taxes.
"Illegal immigration, each year, costs us between $200 billion and $300 billion," the real estate mogul told Burnett. "I don't know if anybody gives you those numbers. Probably not."
Trump insisted that people living in the U.S. without documentation are avoiding taxation at all levels.
"Do you really believe they pay taxes?" Trump asked Burnett in a clip of the interview that first aired on "The Lead with Jake Tapper."
Burnett pushed back on Trump's claim, noting that undocumented immigrants' incomes are often taxed by state and local governments.
"But there's very little, percentage-wise," Trump said. "There's very little, probably 5 percent, 10 percent."
Between 50% and 75% of undocumented immigrants pay some taxes, according to information in a 2007 report from the Congressional Budget Office.
"The IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year," the CBO said, while also citing statewide reports, including one out of California, that showed "75% had taxes withheld from their paychecks, filed tax returns, or both."
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Where was Trump when the gang of eight tried to push through amnesty? He didn't say one word, and if he cared as much as he says he does, I expect he would have said something.
Meanwhile in the senate, Cruz fought to kill the gang of eight amnesty bill. I can go on about Cruz actually fighting for his beliefs, but Trump has done nothing.
Trump created an empire worth billions during that time. So "nothing" is not exactly correct.
He has not been in politics and owes no special interest groups. Some folks like that.
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He acts like he's so concerned about all this stuff suddenly. Overnight. These problems have been building for years and he hasn't once expressed any concern. In fact he held views that jive with the issues. He's held very liberal positions over the years. Rotten bottom is right. Some have actually fought for these things. And others just talk.
Anyone can say the "what". I've yet to see him explain "how". He has no clue on how political maneuvering in Dc works. Reagan understood it.
What did you do about it in 2013? What did Gene Chizik do about it in 2013?
I typically find your arguments rational and somewhat cogent. On this you're coming across as unhinged and tantrumish.
Trump was not a political entity in 2013. What was he supposed to do? Issue policy doctrines? Write essays? Hold press conferences? What did Obama ever "do" about anything?
As far as "not knowing how political maneuvering in DC works? That just makes me lean more toward him. Fuck "DC political maneuvering." Put a bull in the china shop for a change.
Let's look at what was posted:
Immigration:
Cruz: Complete 700 miles of fencing along the border. Triple the number of border patrols. Cut off Federal support for "Sanctuary Cities" Agree
Trump: Construct a wall along the entire border. Triple border patrols and incorporate air surveillance. Round up 11 million illegals and send them back. Legally require businesses to hire U.S. Citizens first before any others. Agree MORE
Defense:
Cruz: Increase military spending. No long term occupations. (Love this quote) "It's not our military's job to produce democratic utopias around the world. Agree
Trump: Increase military spending. "Maximum firepower". "Only go to war to win." Agree MORE
Trade:
Cruz: In favor of free trade. Opening up foreign markets helps everyone, especially farmers. Agree
Trump: In favor of free trade. Penalize U.S. companies that shift manufacturing outside the country. Renegotiate NAFTA or break it all together. Agree MORE
None of those are "unattainable ideas" All realistic. All rational.
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Yes I hold it against him. Along with all of his other flip-flop views. I also believe in a 2015 interview that Trump came out and said he supported amnesty.
This is my first election to vote in, and I've done my homework on these guys. I can't support someone with a mixed past and someone who has offered no plausible attainable ideas.
Sooooooo...you're not voting at all then? Good choice.
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What did you do about it in 2013? What did Gene Chizik do about it in 2013?
I typically find your arguments rational and somewhat cogent. On this you're coming across as unhinged and tantrumish.
Trump was not a political entity in 2013. What was he supposed to do? Issue policy doctrines? Write essays? Hold press conferences? What did Obama ever "do" about anything?
As far as "not knowing how political maneuvering in DC works? That just makes me lean more toward him. Fuck "DC political maneuvering." Put a bull in the china shop for a change.
Let's look at what was posted:
Immigration:
Cruz: Complete 700 miles of fencing along the border. Triple the number of border patrols. Cut off Federal support for "Sanctuary Cities" Agree
Trump: Construct a wall along the entire border. Triple border patrols and incorporate air surveillance. Round up 11 million illegals and send them back. Legally require businesses to hire U.S. Citizens first before any others. Agree MORE
Defense:
Cruz: Increase military spending. No long term occupations. (Love this quote) "It's not our military's job to produce democratic utopias around the world. Agree
Trump: Increase military spending. "Maximum firepower". "Only go to war to win." Agree MORE
Trade:
Cruz: In favor of free trade. Opening up foreign markets helps everyone, especially farmers. Agree
Trump: In favor of free trade. Penalize U.S. companies that shift manufacturing outside the country. Renegotiate NAFTA or break it all together. Agree MORE
None of those are "unattainable ideas" All realistic. All rational.
Im not in a position of power to do anything about it like Trump or anyone else running. I did what I could which was support the people who really wanted to fix shit. I've voiced my opinion. Spoke up. Donated money to them.
Trump was donating money to liberal New York politicians during that time. He was so concerned about the issues that he was funding those who were causing the issues. He loved Obama in 2008. Supported Hillary in her senate campaign. Supported Cuomo. This is all very recent. He could have used that money and energy to support people who were fighting for these things in the senate like Lee, Rubio, Paul, Cruz but he didn't. He was doing reality shows and supporting the clintons instead. He's so authoritarian that it's not even funny.
What you guys think he is just isn't so. He is the right wings version of Obama. Lots of one liners, pandering, rhetoric and cutesy speeches. But what actions has he ever done in the past to back any of these things up? His past suggests he is just the opposite.
Trump is right on 3 things:
The wall
Getting our asses out of being entrenched in the Middle East.
Improving veterans affairs
And I hate agreeing with jeb but he's right. You aren't gonna yell your way to being a successful president. It takes a steady but strong hand. Some conviction. Some pragmatism. Some knowledge of how this game works and how to maneuver through it effectively. All things Reagan excelled at.
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Trump created an empire worth billions during that time. So "nothing" is not exactly correct.
He has not been in politics and owes no special interest groups. Some folks like that.
I'm not going to argue semantics but let me just add that he had a pretty damn good head start on the empire. And the 4 (That's FOUR) bankruptcies certainly help in "building" an empire.
Don't know if you've ever experienced being on the debtor end of one of these but I don't think it would be much fun seeing him continue cruising down Park Avenue in his limo while being a subcontractor who has to eat a chunk of his bankruptcy debt.
It was probably a good business decision each time. Just hard for me to get excited about someone that would do it 4 times being the potential leader of the free world.
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I'm not going to argue semantics but let me just add that he had a pretty damn good head start on the empire. And the 4 (That's FOUR) bankruptcies certainly help in "building" an empire.
Don't know if you've ever experienced being on the debtor end of one of these but I don't think it would be much fun seeing him continue cruising down Park Avenue in his limo while being a subcontractor who has to eat a chunk of his bankruptcy debt.
It was probably a good business decision each time. Just hard for me to get excited about someone that would do it 4 times being the potential leader of the free world.
But he's so awesome. He speaks for me and how angry I am. He says all the things I've been thinking. And. And. And.....
Who is it that is establishment? Siding with McConnell and getting a glowing endorsement from one of the biggest GOP con men in history, Bob Dole.
http://buzzpo.com/donald-trump-sides-with-mitch-mcconnell-against-ted-cruz/
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I'm not going to argue semantics but let me just add that he had a pretty damn good head start on the empire. And the 4 (That's FOUR) bankruptcies certainly help in "building" an empire.
Don't know if you've ever experienced being on the debtor end of one of these but I don't think it would be much fun seeing him continue cruising down Park Avenue in his limo while being a subcontractor who has to eat a chunk of his bankruptcy debt.
It was probably a good business decision each time. Just hard for me to get excited about someone that would do it 4 times being the potential leader of the free world.
You act like you deserve to get paid for your shitty work. Excuse me.....yes, driver..pick me up in front of The Plaza in 10 minutes.
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Heavyweight championship boxing. College Football. College Basketball. NFL fantasy football. Golf. Snaggle ball sack jokes on Tigersx. Watching russian dash cam videos.
Those are all things that entertain me. I enjoy each and every one of them as a form of entertainment to take my mind away from the business side of being an adult. I don't want my entertainment to spill over into the presidency. I want to drink beer while playing golf on Saturday as a way to relax from a long work week. That's the appropriate time to do so. Not during the State of the Union.
When Trump is on tv shouting down people, looking like he's the opening piece to Monday night raw, that doesn't make me feel confident about him being our leader. He's not the worst candidate, and I'll vote for him if he wins the republican ticket. But I'd like to see him be less TV character and more business. I'm starting to worry that he can't be. All I can think about when he is on television shouting statistics that are incorrect, is Bobby down in the trailer park drinking a 6 pack and watching the presidential debate like it's a UFC match. "Hell yeah Don, you tell them mexicans!!!!! ROLL DON ROLL!!!!!"
Fuck that noise. If he wants the chance to run this country he needs to put his game face on. He needs to tell us what his plans are to fix this mess, he needs to show me that he's really serious about doing it, and he needs to quit pandering to the trailer park votes and make himself the best candidate in the race.
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Heavyweight championship boxing. College Football. College Basketball. NFL fantasy football. Golf. Snaggle ball sack jokes on Tigersx. Watching russian dash cam videos.
Those are all things that entertain me. I enjoy each and every one of them as a form of entertainment to take my mind away from the business side of being an adult. I don't want my entertainment to spill over into the presidency. I want to drink beer while playing golf on Saturday as a way to relax from a long work week. That's the appropriate time to do so. Not during the State of the Union.
When Trump is on tv shouting down people, looking like he's the opening piece to Monday night raw, that doesn't make me feel confident about him being our leader. He's not the worst candidate, and I'll vote for him if he wins the republican ticket. But I'd like to see him be less TV character and more business. I'm starting to worry that he can't be. All I can think about when he is on television shouting statistics that are incorrect, is Bobby down in the trailer park drinking a 6 pack and watching the presidential debate like it's a UFC match. "Hell yeah Don, you tell them mexicans!!!!! ROLL DON ROLL!!!!!"
Fuck that noise. If he wants the chance to run this country he needs to put his game face on. He needs to tell us what his plans are to fix this mess, he needs to show me that he's really serious about doing it, and he needs to quit pandering to the trailer park votes and make himself the best candidate in the race.
How YOU are a bammer I'll never understand.
But agree totally. If it comes down to it against Hillary, sure I'll vote for him. Lesser of two evils.
And I hate doing that. I'd rather put the person up there who has actually done shit and not just talked it like some prize fighter to pander.
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Heavyweight championship boxing. College Football. College Basketball. NFL fantasy football. Golf. Snaggle ball sack jokes on Tigersx. Watching russian dash cam videos.
Those are all things that entertain me. I enjoy each and every one of them as a form of entertainment to take my mind away from the business side of being an adult. I don't want my entertainment to spill over into the presidency. I want to drink beer while playing golf on Saturday as a way to relax from a long work week. That's the appropriate time to do so. Not during the State of the Union.
When Trump is on tv shouting down people, looking like he's the opening piece to Monday night raw, that doesn't make me feel confident about him being our leader. He's not the worst candidate, and I'll vote for him if he wins the republican ticket. But I'd like to see him be less TV character and more business. I'm starting to worry that he can't be. All I can think about when he is on television shouting statistics that are incorrect, is Bobby down in the trailer park drinking a 6 pack and watching the presidential debate like it's a UFC match. "Hell yeah Don, you tell them mexicans!!!!! ROLL DON ROLL!!!!!"
Fuck that noise. If he wants the chance to run this country he needs to put his game face on. He needs to tell us what his plans are to fix this mess, he needs to show me that he's really serious about doing it, and he needs to quit pandering to the trailer park votes and make himself the best candidate in the race.
The only problem with what you're saying is that the Monday Night Raw character IS what has him atop. So, you are a minority. File for government assistance, ASAP.
And I'm pretty sure that his plan to fix the country is to file for bankruptcy. It's proven to work well for him so far.
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Trump is right on 3 things:
The wall
Getting our asses out of being entrenched in the Middle East.
Improving veterans affairs
The wall is absolutely his position. And it's dumb. I know I'm the beta male hippie, but while I definitely see a need for major immigration reform, a fucking wall isn't going to do shit. It's like the anti-2A people wanting laws to stop criminals. If you think you can build an IMPENETRABLE wall across the entire 2,000 mile southern border of the United States and all of the sudden no one is going to be able to go over it, under it, or for fuck's sake around it on the roughly 100,000 miles of shoreline, you have the mind of a child. Or Trump.
How you figure he wants to get us out of the Middle East? He said he's open to putting boots on the ground in Syria. He would "Bomb the SHIT out of 'em", "blow up every single inch", and "take the oil" from Iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8
He may have said some things to contradict that, but that's Trump in a nutshell. Whichever way the populist wind is blowing. Straight out of Hillary's handbook.
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^^I actually like the idea of the wall. And I love that video, so, I'm kind of liking the Donald more now after seeing that.
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And I hate doing that. I'd rather put the person up there who has actually done shit and not just talked it like some prize fighter to pander.
Who has actually "done shit?"
None of the above.
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And I hate doing that. I'd rather put the person up there who has actually done shit and not just talked it like some prize fighter to pander.
What do Chinese bears have to do with any of this?
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What do Chinese bears have to do with any of this?
What does the NFL moving a team to China have to do with this?
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Who has actually "done shit?"
None of the above.
Why don't you look at who fought against these things the last 4/8 years. ACA, stimulus, democrat budgets, etc etc.
Voting records are public.
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The wall is absolutely his position. And it's dumb. I know I'm the beta male hippie, but while I definitely see a need for major immigration reform, a fucking wall isn't going to do shit. It's like the anti-2A people wanting laws to stop criminals. If you think you can build an IMPENETRABLE wall across the entire 2,000 mile southern border of the United States and all of the sudden no one is going to be able to go over it, under it, or for fuck's sake around it on the roughly 100,000 miles of shoreline, you have the mind of a child. Or Trump.
How you figure he wants to get us out of the Middle East? He said he's open to putting boots on the ground in Syria. He would "Bomb the SHIT out of 'em", "blow up every single inch", and "take the oil" from Iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8
He may have said some things to contradict that, but that's Trump in a nutshell. Whichever way the populist wind is blowing. Straight out of Hillary's handbook.
I don't think a wall is a solution. I just think it's a step in the right direction. It will help seal a very porous border. That has to happen first. Then we can deal with what is here in a correct manner.
On the Middle East stuff, I guess I mean in re to the Syria stuff with Putin and Isis. He had some non-interventionist take on that. If he really thinks that then yeah he's right. But like you said he sometimes contradicts himself. I like how Cruz put it with trying to force our idea of utopia on other places.
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Won't need the a all if we just take Mexico. Who's going to stop us if we want it? Carve a few states out of that bitch, let the native population move to reservations and have casinos. Solved.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/01/17/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-plan-nations-rich-recoil-in-horror/#462505d27340
#Boom
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/01/17/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-plan-nations-rich-recoil-in-horror/#462505d27340
#Boom
#grasshopper
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/01/17/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-plan-nations-rich-recoil-in-horror/#462505d27340
#Boom
You will never make the world a better place by taking more money from those who make it. It's negative incentive. Those to whom are given have less incentive to work. Those from whom are taken are less inclined to make.
Think about this for a minute. My businesses are S-Corps. If I work hard, manage my money, keep my clients happy I end up with a "paper profit" of $350,000. No matter what VandyVol tries to tell you, that's not disposable cash. But as an S-Corp, all of that shows up on my personal tax return as income. So I should pay $140 grand in taxes? Seriously?
If I build my business over the years and decide I'm ready to retire and I'm fortunate enough to sell it for $5 million, Ol' Bernie thinks I should fork over nearly $2 mil of that to the government?
Fuck Bernie. In his dusty ass.
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You will never make the world a better place by taking more money from those who make it. It's negative incentive. Those to whom are given have less incentive to work. Those from whom are taken are less inclined to make.
Think about this for a minute. My businesses are S-Corps. If I work hard, manage my money, keep my clients happy I end up with a "paper profit" of $350,000. No matter what VandyVol tries to tell you, that's not disposable cash. But as an S-Corp, all of that shows up on my personal tax return as income. So I should pay $140 grand in taxes? Seriously?
If I build my business over the years and decide I'm ready to retire and I'm fortunate enough to sell it for $5 million, Ol' Bernie thinks I should fork over nearly $2 mil of that to the government?
Fuck Bernie. In his dusty ass.
Yes. But the Prowler gets his share of yours, so its all good!
You gotta share that pie bitch! You didn't build that!
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You will never make the world a better place by taking more money from those who make it. It's negative incentive. Those to whom are given have less incentive to work. Those from whom are taken are less inclined to make.
Think about this for a minute. My businesses are S-Corps. If I work hard, manage my money, keep my clients happy I end up with a "paper profit" of $350,000. No matter what VandyVol tries to tell you, that's not disposable cash. But as an S-Corp, all of that shows up on my personal tax return as income. So I should pay $140 grand in taxes? Seriously?
If I build my business over the years and decide I'm ready to retire and I'm fortunate enough to sell it for $5 million, Ol' Bernie thinks I should fork over nearly $2 mil of that to the government?
Fuck Bernie. In his dusty ass.
Yup, fork it over.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/01/17/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-plan-nations-rich-recoil-in-horror/#462505d27340
#Boom
He considers many on here rich in his proposals. So you are ok snatching 50% of my check and giving it to someone else against my will? Real question. Answer it.
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Yup, fork it over.
Under what reasoning? Explain yourself freeloader.
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Yes. But the Prowler gets his share of yours, so its all good!
You gotta share that pie bitch! You didn't build that!
Prowler and fake Chizad are going to take your shit and make you like it. You'll be in a used Prius before it's over.
#BoomMuthaBitches
#iGotsMineFromU
#HowUlikeMeNowRedneckBitch
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Prowler and fake Chizad are going to take your shit and make you like it. You'll be in a used Prius before it's over.
#BoomMuthaBitches
#iGotsMineFromU
#HowUlikeMeNowRedneckBitch
Yes, because I just can't shut up about how I love Bernie...
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Yes, because I just can't shut up about how I love Bernie...
The real Chizad has a libertarian streak. The fake Chizad is obviously a socialist.
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Yes, because I just can't shut up about how I love Bernie...
Keep it up and I will tweet you.
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The real Chizad has a libertarian streak. The fake Chizad is obviously a socialist.
I didn't realize there were two of them....
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I didn't realize there were two of them....
Always two there are. A master...and an apprentice.
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He considers many on here rich in his proposals. So you are ok snatching 50% of my check and giving it to someone else against my will? Real question. Answer it.
I don't think you actually read that link...here's his tax plan. I also doubt that you bring in around $10,000,000 a year.
Income/Current Rate/Bernie's Plan
$0-$18,550/10%/10%
$18,550-$75,300/15%/15%
$75,300-$151,900/25%/25%
$151,900-$231,450/28%/28%
$231,450-$413,350/33%/37%
$413,350-$466,950/35%/37%
$466,960-$500,000/39.6%/37%
$500,000-$2,000,000/39.6%/43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000/39.6%/48%
$10,000,000 – Howard Stern/39.6%/52%
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I don't think you actually read that link...here's his tax plan. I also doubt that you bring in around $10,000,000 a year.
Income/Current Rate/Bernie's Plan
$0-$18,550/10%/10%
$18,550-$75,300/15%/15%
$75,300-$151,900/25%/25%
$151,900-$231,450/28%/28%
$231,450-$413,350/33%/37%
$413,350-$466,950/35%/37%
$466,960-$500,000/39.6%/37%
$500,000-$2,000,000/39.6%/43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000/39.6%/48%
$10,000,000 – Howard Stern/39.6%/52%
You just posted the only reason I need, to know I wouldn't vote for that stupid fuck.
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I don't think you actually read that link...here's his tax plan. I also doubt that you bring in around $10,000,000 a year.
Income/Current Rate/Bernie's Plan
$0-$18,550/10%/10%
$18,550-$75,300/15%/15%
$75,300-$151,900/25%/25%
$151,900-$231,450/28%/28%
$231,450-$413,350/33%/37%
$413,350-$466,950/35%/37%
$466,960-$500,000/39.6%/37%
$500,000-$2,000,000/39.6%/43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000/39.6%/48%
$10,000,000 – Howard Stern/39.6%/52%
Regardless, you wouldn't tax half the earnings of someone who did. WTF dude, seriously?
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Regardless, you wouldn't tax half the earnings of someone who did. WTF dude, seriously?
That mentality blows my mind.
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Regardless, you wouldn't tax half the earnings of someone who did. WTF dude, seriously?
We do not want to give these greedy for profit capitalists as much incentive to live here, now do we? They are the ones that are taking from the have nots.
Come on now. Get with the program. 50% isn't that much money when you consider how much some of these greedy bastards make. I mean, 50% is a lot of money when someone only makes 25k a year but it isn't a lot for someone who makes 5 mil. Well, it's about 2.5 mil but that's not too much to ask, since they made so much, is it?
We shouldn't all have to pay the same percentage. That would just be unfair. Wait...
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That mentality blows my mind.
And it blows my mind how people would be ok with that. Of course its the folks who isn't making that bank that supports it I suppose. Makes sense, tax the hell out of those who are putting mega dollars back into the economy so one day they and their million dollar buddies say the hell with it and stop spending.
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And it blows my mind how people would be ok with that. Of course its the folks who isn't making that bank that supports it I suppose. Makes sense, tax the hell out of those who are putting mega dollars back into the economy so one day they and their million dollar buddies say the hell with it and stop spending.
And stop hiring people.
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I don't think you actually read that link...here's his tax plan. I also doubt that you bring in around $10,000,000 a year.
Income/Current Rate/Bernie's Plan
$0-$18,550/10%/10%
$18,550-$75,300/15%/15%
$75,300-$151,900/25%/25%
$151,900-$231,450/28%/28%
$231,450-$413,350/33%/37%
$413,350-$466,950/35%/37%
$466,960-$500,000/39.6%/37%
$500,000-$2,000,000/39.6%/43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000/39.6%/48%
$10,000,000 – Howard Stern/39.6%/52%
Yeah because the federal income tax is the only way our income gets taxed. Which is the only thing you are looking at here. How about the 10 other taxes he will impose in which some directly affect my INCOME based on the amount? Do you want me to list them from his site for you? Payroll, Ss, healthcare premium, etc etc.
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And stop hiring people.
No no no. That is a straw man. Poor people hire other people!
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How about the 10 other taxes he will impose in which some directly affect my INCOME based on the amount? Do you want me to list them from his site for you? Payroll, Ss, healthcare premium, etc etc.
Link? You're telling me that you don't already pay for healthcare, Socialism Security, etc?
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Link? You're telling me that you don't already pay for healthcare, Socialism Security, etc?
I don't pay an additional TAX on them. I pay INTO them to get back out. These are added taxes. How aren't you getting this?
Yes, the link is Foxnews, but yes this is public information, cited and all.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/28/tax-sells-sanders-clinton-both-pitching-tax-hikes-in-dem-primary.html
Here’s how the plans stack up.
Among Clinton’s proposals:
The New College Compact to limit the cost and debt of a college education. Costing $350 billion over 10 years, she says it would be paid for by limiting certain tax breaks for high-income taxpayers.
A $275 billion infrastructure plan, paid for through business tax reforms.
Clinton also promises to expand ObamaCare. She wants to lower co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses, as well as reduce the cost of prescription drugs. But she has not spelled out specifically how such programs would be paid for.
Among Sanders’ tax proposals, many meant to help pay for a government-run health care system that replaces ObamaCare:
Business health care premium tax: $6.3 trillion over 10 years
Ending tax-free status of employer health insurance: $3.1 trillion
Wall Street speculation tax: $3 trillion
Individual health care premium tax: $2.1 trillion
Social Security tax hike: $1.2 trillion
Marginal income tax rate increase: $1.1 trillion
Corporate offshore income tax: $1 trillion
Capital gains tax hike: $920 billion
Payroll tax hike: $319 billion
Estate tax: $243 billion
Ending tax deductions: $150 billion
Energy tax: $135 billion
Carried interest tax: $15.6 billion
Sanders’ home state of Vermont also had such a plan for a state-run, single-payer system, but Gov. Peter Shumlin shelved it in late 2014 after learning how much it would cost in new taxes.