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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on September 07, 2015, 09:20:57 AM
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Auburn
- I was wrong in my guarantees thread about Jeremy Johnson. I expected a sluggish start: one that would not make him look like a Heisman contender and one that would cause the most cynical of Auburn fans to question his ability to start. Instead, Johnson's performance was rather abysmal if I'm honest.
- I'm finally getting to the point where I feel like I can see the trends in football. After 13 years of watching not just Auburn football but mostly all of college football, I've learned that if a team or player looks a certain way, they mostly likely are that way. While I'm not going to hitch a ride on the doom and gloom train, I do think it's safe for me to say that Jeremy Johnson is going to be a hindrance to this team.
- He threw three horrific interceptions and nearly a fourth that may have put the game in jeopardy. Even some of his completions and good plays were clunky, such as the wheel route to Barber. He lacked a good rhythm and sometimes looked downright lost out there. That's not to say that he's Kiehl Frazier Part 2, and while I do think he will improve as I said in the guarantees thread, I don't think he will be anywhere near on the level of Newton or Marshall. Chris Todd, maybe. Trotter/Moseley, perhaps in a worst case scenario.
- But to those who think this was just first game jitters, I can't say I agree. Bad play calling? No. Being in Atlanta and the quality of the opponent? Don't think so. Too many examples over the last 13 years of players starting a certain way and finishing that way.
- But there are a LOT of positives about this team, at least based on the first game. Defense looked a lot better, especially with Lawson and Mathews out there (We ask for healing, Jesus. We ask for healing). Even though the 2nd half was questionable, I do credit that freshman quarterback from Louisville. Once he got comfortable in his legs, he was by far the most gifted athlete on the field. Our defense had a few good plays where their offense was stifled, but the QB just juked around and turned it into something positive.
- Open field tackling for the most part was much better than I've seen in a long time. The defensive line was disruptive. The secondary seemed to be in better position. I don't think they hit any deep balls on us. I think the defense wore out in the 2nd half primarily because our offense put them in a tight spot with the turnovers.
- Speaking of disruptive defensive lines, the refs were atrocious in this game. For one, did they really call a penalty on one of our coaches for cussing? Do they think this is pee wee football? Two, we had what, four holding calls on our offense? I watched our defensive line continuously blow threw the line of scrimmage only to have a gloved fist drag a wad of jersey. If the refs are going to be flag happy with the holding, they could at least call the game fairly.
- Running game looked like it usually does in the 1st game. Barber was impressive as a "get 5-6 yards" back, but I'm not sure I saw much big play potential. Roc Thomas's spin move is going to get him killed one day. Hopefully his injury heals up quickly so he can get back out by the 19th.
- All in all, I saw the potential for a 9 win team. If Johnson can cut out the mistakes, maybe we can make a run. I have to remind myself though that 2010 and 2013 both started out slowly. We were struggling with a .500 Clemson team in 2010. Won 31-24 against Washington State with a rather lackluster game from Marshall in 2013. If Johnson had the legs of Newton and Marshall, I'd be less worried. Right now, I'm thinking Malzahn is in the film room thinking of ways to mask Johnson's weaknesses, which isn't a good thing to have in your quarterback.
Other Teams
- I've gotta be honest, I'm getting old. I've noticed it the past few seasons - I just don't care as much about other teams. Once the Auburn game was over and some plans with friends fell through, I asked my wife if she wanted to go out on a date since we were with my parents who could babysit. We went to a nice little restaurant in Homewood, went for a walk, and then drove around just talking. A few years ago, I would have been glued to the TV wanting to see Alabama lose. I broke out of that habit this weekend.
- I did get to see a little bit though:
- South Carolina looked rather atrocious Thursday night. I was happy to see North Carolina's defense show some life. As much as I hate Gene Chizik for the clusterfuck that was Auburn football in 2012 (something that I think is still being fixed three seasons later), I can't help but have a soft heart for the coach that weathered a tremendous media assault before hoisting the BCS national championship trophy.
- I did see a few series of the Alabama-Wisconsin game, but they were in the third quarter. Was I right in hearing that Coker is the starter? Bateman looked really good from what I saw. They looked like a typically Alabama team. Strong offensive line, muscle-freaked running backs, and some good receivers. Defense was smothering an overmatched and worn out opponent.
- And that was it. I am excited about this season, I am. But I think (hopefully) I'll just focus on Auburn this year.
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Not ready to read anything into JJ's performance other than he had a bad game. As for a player looking a certain way, the fact is we have a bigger sampling of his work and abilities than just this one game. And he's never remotely shown tendencies to make those ill-advised throws. I trust that Malzahn/Lashlee will get that corrected and look in the mirror themselves with regard to play calling.
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I'm over my psychotic episode from our rough start kicking off the JJ era. Blamed the receivers coach and thought about taking hostages only to discover that I was home alone. And since I had drank one or two :rolleyes: had the presence of mind to resist leaving the house to collect some (hostages) knowing better than to get behind the wheel of a vehicle under the influence.Besides, I can't think of one bonafied receiver's coach to use as an example as to why our guys don't ball like Rice or Warfield.
We are all aware though that many college and nearly all NFL HOF QB's had forgettable multi-pick games, some with even rougher starts than Jeremy.
Brady comes to mind as recent as last season.
Most would agree the Pat's had an okay finish.
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Gotta agree with Snags on JJ's performance. One game doesn't really give us much to go on the same way his half at Arkansas did. To me it seemed to be more of a case of him trying to hard to make plays. He got caught in his own preseason hype. It happens sometimes, time will tell.
I know you said it wasn't the play calling and maybe it wasn't maybe it was more on Jeremy not making his check downs. However to me it seemed like we were running plays for Nick Marshall. Run on first and second if it's 3rd and 8 lets chuck it down field as far as we can. Well what happened to just trying to get the 8 yards? Like CCTAU said in the other thread where were the slants?, the crossing routes?, hell where were the TE's? All the impressive short throws Jeremy showed us in the Arkansas half last year?
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In my humble opinion, two of JJs interceptions were a result of Grantham knowing Gus' tendencies. One of those two was still a terrible decision by JJ; however. The long int was a typical Gus tendency. Run, run, bubble screen (maybe), run, run, run, play action post route. You could tell they were ready, because they had 4 guys running with Louis on that play. I know it was the call, but JJ has to check down when he sees that many dbs with his receiver.
I believe it was the second int where Davis was running what appeared to be a post, but turned it into a comeback. The DB should have kept going, not seeing the receiver stop behind him...but he didn't, and Johnson threw it right into his hands.
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In my humble opinion, two of JJs interceptions were a result of Grantham knowing Gus' tendencies. One of those two was still a terrible decision by JJ; however. The long int was a typical Gus tendency. Run, run, bubble screen (maybe), run, run, run, play action post route. You could tell they were ready, because they had 4 guys running with Louis on that play. I know it was the call, but JJ has to check down when he sees that many dbs with his receiver.
I believe it was the second int where Davis was running what appeared to be a post, but turned it into a comeback. The DB should have kept going, not seeing the receiver stop behind him...but he didn't, and Johnson threw it right into his hands.
Not when it's ex-Georgia DB's running with Ricardo.
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In my humble opinion, two of JJs interceptions were a result of Grantham knowing Gus' tendencies. One of those two was still a terrible decision by JJ; however. The long int was a typical Gus tendency. Run, run, bubble screen (maybe), run, run, run, play action post route. You could tell they were ready, because they had 4 guys running with Louis on that play. I know it was the call, but JJ has to check down when he sees that many dbs with his receiver.
I believe it was the second int where Davis was running what appeared to be a post, but turned it into a comeback. The DB should have kept going, not seeing the receiver stop behind him...but he didn't, and Johnson threw it right into his hands.
Agree. We seldom were able to get wide and everything tended to get funneled up the middle.
And even though we had 24 on them early, Grantham never relented from his plan. We WILL see this strategy again and it will be interesting seeing how we attack it. #keythesafety
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...could tell know it was the call, but JJ has to check down when he sees that many dbs with his receiver.
On many of the deeper pass attempts, I didn't see a checkdown receiver to go to. There are fixable problems on offense, but my long term concern is how in the Hell is our D going to stop Henry come November? Is LSU going to be a big problem seeing that even the SEC refs are sympathic to the home team (esp the bammers) with respect to calling holding penalties on AU to suffocate sustained drives. Most folks just hate us and we seem to be playing against the refs every fucking game? Or, are we just guilty of all of the bad calls made at the most inopportune times? This kind of shit has been going on for years now.
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On many of the deeper pass attempts, I didn't see a checkdown receiver to go to. There are fixable problems on offense, but my long term concern is how in the Hell is our D going to stop Henry come November? Is LSU going to be a big problem seeing that even the SEC refs are sympathic to the home team (esp the bammers) with respect to calling holding penalties on AU to suffocate sustained drives. Most folks just hate us and we seem to be playing against the refs every fucking game? Or, are we just guilty of all of the bad calls made at the most inopportune times? This kind of shit has been going on for years now.
Have to keep hands inside. When they go on the extremities you are targeted. Or you can just yank the guy down which is essentially what Coleman did on one call. Still far better than what he did last season which was to just tackle them. I like to think the refs are above board and rarely get excited unless it's a potential game decider as when Murray came up short on a run against us in 2013.
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I sure wish we woulda won...
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I sure wish we woulda won...
Yeah we had 'em right where we wanted 'em, and we let 'em get away.
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When you guys decide whether to blame the best play caller in the country, the potential record setting QB, the WR's, loss of our RB's or Bilderbergs; let me know.
I'm old fashioned I guess. I tend to blame a 3 interception game mostly on the guy who threw them, barring tipped balls or above normal pressure from the D.
Regardless, I would like to make a motion that posters have to be above last place in the BFTC standings in order to weigh in on the debate. I feel that it is a waste of my subscription fees to pay for the data storage for the person in last place to opine on the issue.
If I am out of line on this, mods please delete this post. It's just my opinion and I will not bring it up again if the majority sees it differently.
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When you guys decide whether to blame the best play caller in the country, the potential record setting QB, the WR's, loss of our RB's or Bilderbergs; let me know.
I'm old fashioned I guess. I tend to blame a 3 interception game mostly on the guy who threw them, barring tipped balls or above normal pressure from the D.
Regardless, I would like to make a motion that posters have to be above last place in the BFTC standings in order to weigh in on the debate. I feel that it is a waste of my subscription fees to pay for the data storage for the person in last place to opine on the issue.
If I am out of line on this, mods please delete this post. It's just my opinion and I will not bring it up again if the majority sees it differently.
Not concerned with the picks so much as long as they don't lead to quick points. My concern is durability at RB position. Long season, need two healthy to keep from being forced into poor play calling/ decision making.JMO
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When you guys decide whether to blame the best play caller in the country, the potential record setting QB, the WR's, loss of our RB's or Bilderbergs; let me know.
I'm old fashioned I guess. I tend to blame a 3 interception game mostly on the guy who threw them, barring tipped balls or above normal pressure from the D.
Regardless, I would like to make a motion that posters have to be above last place in the BFTC standings in order to weigh in on the debate. I feel that it is a waste of my subscription fees to pay for the data storage for the person in last place to opine on the issue.
If I am out of line on this, mods please delete this post. It's just my opinion and I will not bring it up again if the majority sees it differently.
You're out of line. I pay the premium rate and I can post whatever I wish whether I bother to play or not.
In accordance with my premium status I hereby post my requests of and recommendations to the coaching staff, as I know they read this board religiously.
1: Do not panic, the sky is not falling. Auburn has the talent and the coaching to win.
2: I need a complete injury update, yesterday.
3: as mentioned here previously, the offensive tendencies (especially the immediate return after a successful run) have been noted and are being preyed upon; fear not, for all you have to do is counter that tendency about half the time from here on out and defenses will be in even more disarray.
4: How about next game we all act like the mortals we are and slowly work up to JJs potential. Let him get hot we know he can.
5: hurry up no huddle has become dither around and grind out the clock. Most of the time bama's offense seemed to be working faster than ours. Auburn fast, remember? Let's try that again.
6: when you have the opponent on the ropes and are smoking him with the run it proves more to me any everyone else that you continue to run successfully than an interception on a bomb.
7: my fiancé requests that someone get coach Boom a nicer fucking shirt
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3 turnovers, a couple of drive killing penalties, injuries to our two top RBs, starting DE & Safety and still come out with a win against a quality opponent...I'm happy.
Just get Johnson's head screwed back on and maybe change up the order of the 7-8 offensive plays...you know, to keep the DC guessing.
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3 turnovers, a couple of drive killing penalties, injuries to our two top RBs, starting DE & Safety and still come out with a win against a quality opponent...I'm happy.
Just get Johnson's head screwed back on and maybe change up the order of the 7-8 offensive plays...you know, to keep the DC guessing.
We might should open up the playbook to 11 plays?
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We might should open up the playbook to 11 plays?
Now,now we shant confuse the lads.
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Also, have a SEC Special Teams player of the Week Daniel Carlson...and set a Auburn record for the longest returned fumble for a TD by Justin Garrett. Not bad for the first game of the season.
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Also, have a SEC Special Teams player of the Week Daniel Carlson...and set a Auburn record for the longest returned fumble for a TD by Justin Garrett. Not bad for the first game of the season.
Welcome. Look forward to seeing you post often. How did you hear about the x?
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Welcome. Look forward to seeing you post often. How did you hear about the x?
IDK but the guy seems well organized, thoughtful and shows attention to detail. That Danzey to left guard comment just blew me away. He's just a breath of fresh air.
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I know it was the call, but JJ has to check down when he sees that many dbs with his receiver.
I believe it was the second int where Davis was running what appeared to be a post, but turned it into a comeback. The DB should have kept going, not seeing the receiver stop behind him...but he didn't, and Johnson threw it right into his hands.
This...all of it. Simply put. JJ simply made bad decisions with his progressions. Nevermind the fact that options 1 and 2 were DEEP (which wasnt necessary that early), he should have checked out of those and took the underneaths or safe short stuff. At worst, throw it away OR take off for a 1-3 yard gain. Its stuff that is correctable. He was trying to do too much. And to a lesser degree, our coaches were trying to do too much too early. The first drive was a thing of beauty. Good mix of runs, short/medium passes, keepers, etc. Every series should have been played out like that. Its our MO....we tried to be Fun n Gun and it showed.
Just like we can't give JJ the Heisman based off his past numbers as a backup, we also can't declare him Chris Todd or Barrett Trotter based off 3 INTs. Slow your rolls...its one game. If this happens the next 5 games, then yes pitchforks will be polished and at the ready. Until then, give the guy more than 1 game before you lead him to the gallows.
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This...all of it. Simply put. JJ simply made bad decisions with his progressions. Nevermind the fact that options 1 and 2 were DEEP (which wasnt necessary that early), he should have checked out of those and took the underneaths or safe short stuff. At worst, throw it away OR take off for a 1-3 yard gain. Its stuff that is correctable. He was trying to do too much. And to a lesser degree, our coaches were trying to do too much too early. The first drive was a thing of beauty. Good mix of runs, short/medium passes, keepers, etc. Every series should have been played out like that. Its our MO....we tried to be Fun n Gun and it showed.
Just like we can't give JJ the Heisman based off his past numbers as a backup, we also can't declare him Chris Todd or Barrett Trotter based off 3 INTs. Slow your rolls...its one game. If this happens the next 5 games, then yes pitchforks will be polished and at the ready. Until then, give the guy more than 1 game before you lead him to the gallows.
But.. But... But... OMG!!! We will have to play against DERRICK FUCKING CAVEMAN HENRY in November!!!!!
Whatever shall we do?
:taunt:
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But.. But... But... OMG!!! We will have to play against DERRICK FUCKING CAVEMAN HENRY in November!!!!!
Whatever shall we do?
:taunt:
Derrick Henry is ranked eighteenth in the AP College Football Poll.
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Had some shitty Louisville fans sitting behind us who were mouthy as fuck to have never done anything. I held my tongue for the most part until the end when the fucker kept telling me how "ugly of win it was" to which I replied that "it beats the fuck out of a pretty loss".
Fuck them.
As far as I am concerned we learned some things about ourselves and still got a win out of it. No blood no foul thus far.
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Derrick Henry is ranked eighteenth in the AP College Football Poll.
Wrong thread, fucko
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Wrong thread, fucko
It would've been much more polite of you to have left the fucko part off.
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..., we also can't declare him Chris Todd or Barrett Trotter based off 3 INTs. Slow your rolls...its one game. If this happens the next 5 games, then yes pitchforks will be polished and at the ready. Until then, give the guy more than 1 game before you lead him to the gallows.
I'll take Chris Todd numbers every day. Well, his senior season anyway.
Like I said somewhere, this was greedy play calling. I really expected to see a game plan similar to what we saw against Arky last season. What i saw was the same plan we had for NM, but without JJ running. Having JJ opens up the whole field, yet we still are not using any crossing routes.
JJ's short game looked pretty crisp. If you eat a team up with the short game, you get a few of those open long passes.
The good s that we still had a few of those open long passes and looked pretty damn good at it. So what people saw Saturday is definitely fixable. Take away the three INTs and it was a damn good opening act.
But don't be bussing on Chris todd....
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I'll take Chris Todd numbers every day. Well, his senior season anyway.
Like I said somewhere, this was greedy play calling. I really expected to see a game plan similar to what we saw against Arky last season. What i saw was the same plan we had for NM, but without JJ running. Having JJ opens up the whole field, yet we still are not using any crossing routes.
JJ's short game looked pretty crisp. If you eat a team up with the short game, you get a few of those open long passes.
The good s that we still had a few of those open long passes and looked pretty damn good at it. So what people saw Saturday is definitely fixable. Take away the three INTs and it was a damn good opening act.
But don't be bussing on Chris todd....
Greedy Play calling? I've seen this posted and I be like :facepalm:. Are there not usually 3 options/checkdowns for the QB to make on most pass plays? Those are usually, short, intermediate and long or some combination thereof. So, I just don't get the play calling mantra. In other words, just because the QB throws it deep into triple coverage doesn't mean that's what the corch called.
Yes, he has the option to go deep but he's gotta make better decisions regardless of the play call. I'll bet the house Gus/Lash ain't telling him: "chunk the shit our of it no matter how many guys are around him".
I'm just not buying the play calling as an excuse for the interceptions. And you didn't specifically say that but I don't think they are necessarily "greedy" either. Maybe JJ was greedy.
Now, Gus may be stingy with the playbook as he has a tendency to be this early in the season.
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I'll take Chris Todd numbers every day. Well, his senior season anyway.
Like I said somewhere, this was greedy play calling. I really expected to see a game plan similar to what we saw against Arky last season. What i saw was the same plan we had for NM, but without JJ running. Having JJ opens up the whole field, yet we still are not using any crossing routes.
JJ's short game looked pretty crisp. If you eat a team up with the short game, you get a few of those open long passes.
The good s that we still had a few of those open long passes and looked pretty damn good at it. So what people saw Saturday is definitely fixable. Take away the three INTs and it was a damn good opening act.
But don't be bussing on Chris todd....
I'm a Todd fan. He had shoulder problems during his jr. season. Would prefer to see JJ run when its neceaary of when the field opens up. We might get quire a number of close calls as in 2010 as we progress. Might need some more controlled passing to supplement the ground game but winning is what's important.Final score or style points not a big deal.
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Auburn
- I was wrong in my guarantees thread about Jeremy Johnson. I expected a sluggish start: one that would not make him look like a Heisman contender and one that would cause the most cynical of Auburn fans to question his ability to start. Instead, Johnson's performance was rather abysmal if I'm honest.
- I'm finally getting to the point where I feel like I can see the trends in football. After 13 years of watching not just Auburn football but mostly all of college football, I've learned that if a team or player looks a certain way, they mostly likely are that way. While I'm not going to hitch a ride on the doom and gloom train, I do think it's safe for me to say that Jeremy Johnson is going to be a hindrance to this team.
- He threw three horrific interceptions and nearly a fourth that may have put the game in jeopardy. Even some of his completions and good plays were clunky, such as the wheel route to Barber. He lacked a good rhythm and sometimes looked downright lost out there. That's not to say that he's Kiehl Frazier Part 2, and while I do think he will improve as I said in the guarantees thread, I don't think he will be anywhere near on the level of Newton or Marshall. Chris Todd, maybe. Trotter/Moseley, perhaps in a worst case scenario.
- But to those who think this was just first game jitters, I can't say I agree. Bad play calling? No. Being in Atlanta and the quality of the opponent? Don't think so. Too many examples over the last 13 years of players starting a certain way and finishing that way.
- But there are a LOT of positives about this team, at least based on the first game. Defense looked a lot better, especially with Lawson and Mathews out there (We ask for healing, Jesus. We ask for healing). Even though the 2nd half was questionable, I do credit that freshman quarterback from Louisville. Once he got comfortable in his legs, he was by far the most gifted athlete on the field. Our defense had a few good plays where their offense was stifled, but the QB just juked around and turned it into something positive.
- Open field tackling for the most part was much better than I've seen in a long time. The defensive line was disruptive. The secondary seemed to be in better position. I don't think they hit any deep balls on us. I think the defense wore out in the 2nd half primarily because our offense put them in a tight spot with the turnovers.
- Speaking of disruptive defensive lines, the refs were atrocious in this game. For one, did they really call a penalty on one of our coaches for cussing? Do they think this is pee wee football? Two, we had what, four holding calls on our offense? I watched our defensive line continuously blow threw the line of scrimmage only to have a gloved fist drag a wad of jersey. If the refs are going to be flag happy with the holding, they could at least call the game fairly.
- Running game looked like it usually does in the 1st game. Barber was impressive as a "get 5-6 yards" back, but I'm not sure I saw much big play potential. Roc Thomas's spin move is going to get him killed one day. Hopefully his injury heals up quickly so he can get back out by the 19th.
- All in all, I saw the potential for a 9 win team. If Johnson can cut out the mistakes, maybe we can make a run. I have to remind myself though that 2010 and 2013 both started out slowly. We were struggling with a .500 Clemson team in 2010. Won 31-24 against Washington State with a rather lackluster game from Marshall in 2013. If Johnson had the legs of Newton and Marshall, I'd be less worried. Right now, I'm thinking Malzahn is in the film room thinking of ways to mask Johnson's weaknesses, which isn't a good thing to have in your quarterback.
Agree with all for the most part. Again, my "didn't see much encouraging" comment was a short (but still accurate as to my thoughts) comment on what I personally observed. You seem to have seen it the way I did. JJ will not even challenge for the Hypeman. As a team it's not "sky falling" but it's not a championship level start either. Whether JJ can become a QB that "just doesn't get us beat", or not remains to be seen. We turn the ball over 3 times vs LSU and the like, we'll get hammered. On that note, I fully believe that Gus wanted to be a little more dropback pass oriented this year. I want to believe in him and Lashlee to get the ship righted by "reverting" to what he's done in the past, and what I think I noticed in the second half. More gap/power run schemes, with PAP and less complicated reads/progressions. Our RBs were a bright spot. Maybe sprinkle more option run game for JJ who I think is more than athletic enough to provide something teams have to prepare for in a running QB.
Defense? Looked improved, but how could they look anything but? Still not, from what I saw, going to take games over but they are capable of making some plays and getting some stops. DL is pretty damn good but Lawson out creates a big dropoff.
I had heard about JJ being a Hypeman contender in some folk's predictions, and I told my friend right before the game that was a bad omen. After Game 1, it seems I was right. Those blaming anything other horrifically poor decisions by JJ are willfully blind. Can he get better? Sure. I think he's talented and smart. Were the bad decisions something that will haunt him, or does he forget easily? Is he prone to learn from his mistakes or repeat them? We will see.
I didn't see much encouraging. I didn't see the sky falling either. With what would be to my mind, normal improvement for a team starting this way, this is a 9 win team. They could do worse with some bad breaks, injuries, team dissent or apathy. Could it go like 2013 and be a surprise? It could do that too. I doubt it. (I doubted in 13 too, so I'm sticking with my doubts in the hope of being wrong again)
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But don't be bussing on Chris todd....
Time to bring back the wraparound draw.
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Time to bring back the wraparound draw.
He definitely had elife ball faking skilz.
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He definitely had elife ball faking skilz.
Yes. I personally think that he was an overall elife QB.
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Yes. I personally think that he was an overall elife QB.
I mix in some gaelic just to keep things lose.
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I'm staying on the JJ bandwagon. May just be me and his family members but I'm gonna' ride it out. Correct the mistakes. Bring him along a little slower and I think the kid will wind up setting records. Hopefully not for most interceptions.
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I'm staying on the JJ bandwagon. May just be me and his family members but I'm gonna' ride it out. Correct the mistakes. Bring him along a little slower and I think the kid will wind up setting records. Hopefully not for most interceptions.
Do you have a bandwagon schedule to share?
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I'm staying on the JJ bandwagon. May just be me and his family members but I'm gonna' ride it out. Correct the mistakes. Bring him along a little slower and I think the kid will wind up setting records. Hopefully not for most interceptions.
Rock me mama like a wagon wheel.
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I'm staying on the JJ bandwagon. May just be me and his family members but I'm gonna' ride it out. Correct the mistakes. Bring him along a little slower and I think the kid will wind up setting records. Hopefully not for most interceptions.
I'm with you Snags, jesus christ we are own worst enemy. Like CCTAU said can't believe we lost the game.
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Do you have a bandwagon schedule to share?
Next ride is Saturday September 12th at 11:00 a.m.
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Next ride is Saturday September 12th at 11:00 a.m.
Can't make that one, I think there is a kick-off then. Wonder what two douches the SEC network will have doing the game?
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I'm staying on the JJ bandwagon. May just be me and his family members but I'm gonna' ride it out. Correct the mistakes. Bring him along a little slower and I think the kid will wind up setting records. Hopefully not for most interceptions.
I thought you were on the Gus Bus. You cannot be on both at the same time.
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Greedy Play calling? I've seen this posted and I be like :facepalm: . Are there not usually 3 options/checkdowns
Not always. We have seen with Gus a lot in the past that he likes to send that one guy down the middle alone.
There may have been a back in the flats, or another outlet. But is looks like that all fall practice, the ball has been going deep. To know this is what you have been ding all summer and to see how tight UL was playing the deep ball, it was a bit greedy to call that play and hope your QB checks down to something he obviously has not done a lot of. (or maybe he just sucks at it) So it seems that the play calling had more go for broke calls than should have been. It bit us. Whether it was JJ not doing his job, or the coaches not recognizing the short game was more productive, it comes out looking like somebody wanted all the gold a little too much. This offense is supposed to be take what you are given, but we've seen a lot of forced long balls over the last few seasons. We also seem to forget there is a middle of the field. With a 6' 12" QB who can throw the dig and see the field, why are we still calling the same passing game the we used with NM?
This is a two-fold fix. JJ needs to relax and run or throw the ball away more. Or the coaches need to do a better job dictating the short passing game.
With Barber we will have a strong run game. now we need to get the ball into the playmakers' hands and let them run with it. And all of this "I don't want JJ running" BS has got to go. JJ needs to run more. there were several time it was pretty obvious that he should have kept it. He's no NM, but you have to keep the defense honest.
I saw a team with a ton of talent and a bit of disjoint on offense. Even reigned in, this offense can be devastating.
So to both the coaches and JJ, I say don't be greedy.
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If you care to examine for yourself whether there are "outlet" receivers or "crossing routes" or whatever, or if JJ just makes up his mind where he's going with the ball without going through his progressions, you can look at the the game here, and rewind to your heart's content to see where JJ is looking (and not looking), and where the receivers are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ8gq4UhSqQ
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I've already watched it three times. Once in person....
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Not always. We have seen with Gus a lot in the past that he likes to send that one guy down the middle alone.
There may have been a back in the flats, or another outlet. But is looks like that all fall practice, the ball has been going deep. To know this is what you have been ding all summer and to see how tight UL was playing the deep ball, it was a bit greedy to call that play and hope your QB checks down to something he obviously has not done a lot of. (or maybe he just sucks at it) So it seems that the play calling had more go for broke calls than should have been. It bit us. Whether it was JJ not doing his job, or the coaches not recognizing the short game was more productive, it comes out looking like somebody wanted all the gold a little too much. This offense is supposed to be take what you are given, but we've seen a lot of forced long balls over the last few seasons. We also seem to forget there is a middle of the field. With a 6' 12" QB who can throw the dig and see the field, why are we still calling the same passing game the we used with NM?
This is a two-fold fix. JJ needs to relax and run or throw the ball away more. Or the coaches need to do a better job dictating the short passing game.
With Barber we will have a strong run game. now we need to get the ball into the playmakers' hands and let them run with it. And all of this "I don't want JJ running" BS has got to go. JJ needs to run more. there were several time it was pretty obvious that he should have kept it. He's no NM, but you have to keep the defense honest.
I saw a team with a ton of talent and a bit of disjoint on offense. Even reigned in, this offense can be devastating.
So to both the coaches and JJ, I say don't be greedy.
Bottom line is that it was a bad passing game for the most part. Gus will fix it.
The three interceptions were not even "good" interceptions, in that, I don't believe there was one that should've even been thrown to the intended receiver.
That's what is most disappointing to me. I'm seeing JJ as a seasoned veteran ready to break records. He is not. And yes, I'm basing that off of one game. But I feel like he still will be that QB that we thought he would be. It's just going to take a few games.
I still think he is potentially the best QB we have and possibly one of the best in the country. Meaning, he has the tools and potential. Intellect, leadership, arm, yadda yadda. I still think he'll be the man.
Just didn't expect a 3 pick game out of the gate and there is no use in pointing fingers. But I don't think he needs coddling. He threw them. That game is over and I hope it's over in his mind. We all know that he's much better than he played.
He's at a tipping point and he just has to tip in the right direction.
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Bottom line is that it was a bad passing game for the most part. Gus will fix it.
The three interceptions were not even "good" interceptions, in that, I don't believe there was one that should've even been thrown to the intended receiver.
That's what is most disappointing to me. I'm seeing JJ as a seasoned veteran ready to break records. He is not. And yes, I'm basing that off of one game. But I feel like he still will be that QB that we thought he would be. It's just going to take a few games.
I still think he is potentially the best QB we have and possibly one of the best in the country. Meaning, he has the tools and potential. Intellect, leadership, arm, yadda yadda. I still think he'll be the man.
Just didn't expect a 3 pick game out of the gate and there is no use in pointing fingers. But I don't think he needs coddling. He threw them. That game is over and I hope it's over in his mind. We all know that he's much better than he played.
He's at a tipping point and he just has to tip in the right direction.
He'll be fine. I don't see this as a normal thing.
The thing that gets most people is like someone said earlier, "The INTs were just so damn UGLY"!
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He'll be fine. I don't see this as a normal thing.
The thing that gets most people is like someone said earlier, "The INTs were just so damn UGLY"!
Exactly. They looked very much like the INT's the UNC quarterback threw Thursday.
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Not always. We have seen with Gus a lot in the past that he likes to send that one guy down the middle alone.
There may have been a back in the flats, or another outlet. But is looks like that all fall practice, the ball has been going deep. To know this is what you have been ding all summer and to see how tight UL was playing the deep ball, it was a bit greedy to call that play and hope your QB checks down to something he obviously has not done a lot of. (or maybe he just sucks at it) So it seems that the play calling had more go for broke calls than should have been. It bit us. Whether it was JJ not doing his job, or the coaches not recognizing the short game was more productive, it comes out looking like somebody wanted all the gold a little too much. This offense is supposed to be take what you are given, but we've seen a lot of forced long balls over the last few seasons. We also seem to forget there is a middle of the field. With a 6' 12" QB who can throw the dig and see the field, why are we still calling the same passing game the we used with NM?
This is a two-fold fix. JJ needs to relax and run or throw the ball away more. Or the coaches need to do a better job dictating the short passing game.
With Barber we will have a strong run game. now we need to get the ball into the playmakers' hands and let them run with it. And all of this "I don't want JJ running" BS has got to go. JJ needs to run more. there were several time it was pretty obvious that he should have kept it. He's no NM, but you have to keep the defense honest.
I saw a team with a ton of talent and a bit of disjoint on offense. Even reigned in, this offense can be devastating.
So to both the coaches and JJ, I say don't be greedy.
Gus runs very little quick game. Just not what he does. Quick game doesn't fit in power run, play action passing.
There's going to be one deep route on virtually every concept. That doesn't mean JJ is supposed to throw it. Greedy? Well it's one of two things. He's being coached to throw it, which I highly doubt. Or he's not making his reads which is what I see. He's making his mind up way early, even before the snap. Numerous times he had open receivers on intermediate or short routes, and chose to throw in to coverage. Sometimes he threw the intermediate route in to coverage when something else was open.
One of 2 things. They are either coaching it, or allowing it to happen. I've got enough faith in Gus and Lashlee that they're coaching it the way it should work, and has worked well in the past, which doesn't include "JJ sling it deep and see what happens". Now they've got to find a way to make it work for JJ, and make JJ work for them. He's not going to be a great decision maker. They've got to find a way to overcome that.
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He'll be fine. I don't see this as a normal thing.
The thing that gets most people is like someone said earlier, "The INTs were just so damn UGLY"!
There were many "non Int's" that were just as ugly.
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So basically you all just want to see the White boy at QB?
Damn racist bastages!
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Bring in the Snow Boarder.
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So basically you all just want to see the White boy at QB?
Damn racist bastages!
Nah I'm for sticking with JJ, until he shits on himself in the first half of the jsu game. Then yeah, White or call that Tubberville boy back or something.
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This guy gives some good statistics:
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2015/9/7/9269197/auburn-tigers-louisville-cardinals-football-detailed-review-five-factors
Get rid of the INTs and we were pretty solid for the first game.
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This guy gives some good statistics:
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2015/9/7/9269197/auburn-tigers-louisville-cardinals-football-detailed-review-five-factors
Get rid of the INTs and we were pretty solid for the first game.
The 8 penalties werent good either. Practically gave them an entire field. And negated a TD.
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The 8 penalties werent good either. Practically gave them an entire field. And negated a TD.
And had they called some/just a few on Louisville might have helped.
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So basically you all just want to see the White boy at QB?
Damn racist bastages!
I think JJ can be serviceable. I'm pretty certain he's far and away the best we got. "Gushlee" just has to regroup and figure out how to utilize him and put him in the best position to be successful.
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And had they called some/just a few on Louisville might have helped.
freakin' harrumph. When I watched a bit of the replay I started pausing right after a Louisville snap, just to see if they were really as clean as they seemed to be to the officials. They were not.
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I think JJ can be serviceable.
Did you let Gus know?
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Did you let Gus know?
I'll put a call in after lunch.
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freakin' harrumph. When I watched a bit of the replay I started pausing right after a Louisville snap, just to see if they were really as clean as they seemed to be to the officials. They were not.
You could see it in real time with their lineman grabbing up high and as our guy tried to spin away he would spin and the jersey stayed in place or he was taken down.
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You could see it in real time with their lineman grabbing up high and as our guy tried to spin away he would spin and the jersey stayed in place or he was taken down.
I thought it was just my eyes playing tricks on me from row 482....
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I thought it was just my eyes playing tricks on me from row 482....
Nope, refs thought they were just that good.
5-35 Them -Most of this was illegal motion.
8-80 us. - Holdings-spearing the refs and so on.
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Nope, refs thought they were just that good.
5-35 Them -Most of this was illegal motion.
8-80 us. - Holdings-spearing the refs and so on.
And Gus callin' em mean names
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And Gus callin' em mean names
Well, one of em said he hated the Waffle House. Gus has to draw a line somewhere.
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Well, one of em said he hated the Waffle House. Gus has to draw a line somewhere.
I would say we all have hated the Waffle house at time or another, especially the following morning after that 2:00am stop.
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I would say we all have hated the Waffle house at time or another, especially the following morning after that 2:00am stop.
hush your mouth.
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hush your mouth.
^^^This^^^ Except that I would add "dirty whurish".
In my much earlier years, when I was actually involved in athletic endeavors...you know...badmitton, raquet ball, chess etc. The hard stuff. If I had any big game coming up, it was Waffle House steak, eggs and hashbrowns. Two slices of buttery toast and a mountain of ketchup for serious flavoring. Pre-game meal of champions.
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^^^This^^^ Except that I would add "dirty whurish".
In my much earlier years, when I was actually involved in athletic endeavors...you know...badmitton, raquet ball, chess etc. The hard stuff. If I had any big game coming up, it was Waffle House steak, eggs and hashbrowns. Two slices of buttery toast and a mountain of ketchup for serious flavoring. Pre-game meal of champions.
This man once knew
now...not so much.
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A few quotes from Muschamp below on Carl Lawson and him being out in the second half. This guy needs to stay healthy this season. It's hard to imagine one guy out of 11 making that much difference but I believe Lawson is that much of a difference maker.
"He's a very good player," Muschamp said. "We need to make sure we put him in situations where he can be successful and take advantage of matchups. We played him inside, walked him around, we played him in a lot of different spots and we'll continue to do so."
Redshirt freshman Raashed Kennion replaced Lawson in the second half at the Buck position, and finished with one tackle and three quarterback hurries. Muschamp said Saturday Kennion was "gassed" at the end of the game, which affected the Tigers as the Cardinals' dual-threat quarterback rushed for 106 yards and one touchdown.
"He didn't finish on the quarterback like he liked to or we would have liked him to a couple times, but I'm very proud of his effort and what he did," Muschamp said of Kennion. "Any time you lose a guy like Carl Lawson it's going to affect your football team. It certainly helps their offense. We could have used him chasing Jackson down a couple times."
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Didn't read this whole thread, but just saw this and had to comment:
Auburn
- I was wrong in my guarantees thread about Jeremy Johnson. I expected a sluggish start: one that would not make him look like a Heisman contender and one that would cause the most cynical of Auburn fans to question his ability to start. Instead, Johnson's performance was rather abysmal if I'm honest.
- I'm finally getting to the point where I feel like I can see the trends in football. After 13 years of watching not just Auburn football but mostly all of college football, I've learned that if a team or player looks a certain way, they mostly likely are that way. While I'm not going to hitch a ride on the doom and gloom train, I do think it's safe for me to say that Jeremy Johnson is going to be a hindrance to this team.
You don't have to go back 13 years to dispute your claim.
Marshall's first game as a starter (WITH two years as a starter in JUCO under his belt), he was 10/19 for 99 yards with 0 TDs. QBR of 23.0. Johnson was 11/21 for 137 yards and a TD. QBR of 40.2.
That year we beat decent but unranked opponent Washington State 31-24 (sound familiar?) Ended up winning the SEC & playing in the national championship.
Who did we lose to in that championship game? Heisman trophy winner Jameis Winston. How did he do against Louisville last year? Three interceptions.
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Didn't read this whole thread, but just saw this and had to comment:
You don't have to go back 13 years to dispute your claim.
Marshall's first game as a starter (WITH two years as a starter in JUCO under his belt), he was 10/19 for 99 yards with 0 TDs. QBR of 23.0. Johnson was 11/21 for 137 yards and a TD. QBR of 40.2.
That year we beat decent but unranked opponent Washington State 31-24 (sound familiar?) Ended up winning the SEC & playing in the national championship.
Who did we lose to in that championship game? Heisman trophy winner Jameis Winston. How did he do against Louisville last year? Three interceptions.
Bingo.
Louisville's D are ball hawks. They led the nation in INTs last year. So yeah you throw the ball into double coverage or more and that will happen against UL. Their secondary is great and covered our WRs well.
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We need a leader not a loser.
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Bingo.
Louisville's D are ball hawks. They led the nation in INTs last year. So yeah you throw the ball into double coverage or more and that will happen against UL. Their secondary is great and covered our WRs well.
If we hadn't paid so much for that new video board, we could afford a better quarterback. :haha:
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If we hadn't paid so much for that new video board, we could afford a better quarterback. :haha:
I knew it was just a matter of time before everyone here would want to make a push for Sean White or to forego that to usher in the Tucker Tuberville era.
That damn scoreboard is cutting into our QB budget and I offer three unchallenged interceptions as definitive proof.
Tear down that monstrosity, it's sapping the life out of our second rate program.
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I thought you were on the Gus Bus. You cannot be on both at the same time.
No, but he can transfer from the Gus Bus to the JJ Jitney
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Bingo.
Louisville's D are ball hawks. They led the nation in INTs last year. So yeah you throw the ball into double coverage or more and that will happen against UL. Their secondary is great and covered our WRs well.
I Take all this back. Jj just fucking sucks. That is all.
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I Take all this back. Jj just fucking sucks. That is all.
Barber & Lewis are the only players we have on the offensive side of the ball.
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I think we have ten good guys and JJ. Duke didn't just start not catching. :facepalm:
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I think we have ten good guys and JJ. Duke didn't just start not catching. :facepalm:
My issue is that the play of the game was Roc being mistakenly found wide open. Where is the controlled passing game or better yet, an active running game that supports play action?
Do we even have a TE?
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My issue is that the play of the game was Roc being mistakenly found wide open. Where is the controlled passing game or better yet, an active running game that supports play action?
Do we even have a TE?
Rhett and his play calling is :huh: I hope (but don't think so) is that they were waiting to get into SEC play to open it up. (I know better)
That team that played yesterday shows up in Baton Rouge, gets beat by at least 28.
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Bunch of Debbie Downers on here.
We all know Gus was just sandbagging. The playbook will be fully opened up this week and the Tigers roll by 24 or more. Mark it down.
Or this team is as pathetic as the 2012 version we saw.
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Bunch of Debbie Downers on here.
We all know Gus was just sandbagging. The playbook will be fully opened up this week and the Tigers roll by 24 or more. Mark it down.
Or this team is as pathetic as the 2012 version we saw.
That's the spirit.
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Your gonna need some spirits.
FTFY
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Jeremy Johnson aka "Gunslinger". Don't listen to the haters, JJ. You keep doin' what you do.
DWJD Doin' What Jeremy Do
Haters, the whole lot of you.
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Jeremy Johnson aka "Gunslinger". Don't listen to the haters, JJ. You keep doin' what you do.
DWJD Doin' What Jeremy Do
Haters, the whole lot of you.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BWijcPOrJ34/T98YAYa2VCI/AAAAAAAACBk/c6kNTxl1CXg/s1600/Energy+Vampires.gif)
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Jeremy Johnson aka "Gunslinger". Don't listen to the haters, JJ. You keep doin' what you do.
DWJD Doin' What Jeremy Do
Haters, the whole lot of you.
Haters? We just want a sumbitch that has a fucking clue.
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Barber & Lewis are the only players we have on the offensive side of the ball.
I cannot find this Lewis you speak of on the depth chart. Is it Jerry? Hay Laaaaaady!!!!!
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I cannot find this Lewis you speak of on the depth chart. Is it Jerry? Hay Laaaaaady!!!!!
Most here probably remember Lewis for his telethons rather than his humor.
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Most here probably remember Lewis for his telethons rather than his humor.
Some of us would rather watch one of his telethons than the skull dragging coming this Saturday in Red Stick.
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Week one is over.
Mods, lock this beyotch!
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Some of us would rather watch one of his telethons than the skull dragging coming this Saturday in Red Stick.
Well our group could use some of that money.
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Bunch of Debbie Downers on here.
Youre g-damned right.....
(in Walter White voice).
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Didn't read this whole thread, but just saw this and had to comment:
You don't have to go back 13 years to dispute your claim.
Marshall's first game as a starter (WITH two years as a starter in JUCO under his belt), he was 10/19 for 99 yards with 0 TDs. QBR of 23.0. Johnson was 11/21 for 137 yards and a TD. QBR of 40.2.
That year we beat decent but unranked opponent Washington State 31-24 (sound familiar?) Ended up winning the SEC & playing in the national championship.
Who did we lose to in that championship game? Heisman trophy winner Jameis Winston. How did he do against Louisville last year? Three interceptions.
And Marshall had been in Gus's system for, what, 2 months?
Big difference between that and a guy who has been in the system for 2+ years.
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And Marshall had been in Gus's system for, what, 2 months?
Big difference between that and a guy who has been in the system for 2+ years.
Maybe he needs 2 years and 3 weeks to figure it out.
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Damn mods suck at this place!
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I think this thread should go all season long!
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I think this thread should go all season long!
It's a good thing our season ends Saturday. Then the mods can shut it down.
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It's a good thing our season ends Saturday. Then the mods can shut it down.
I'm ready for some 2016 spring practice threads. Anyone think we can win right away?
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I'm ready for some 2016 spring practice threads. Anyone think we can win right away?
Should be a real good QB race.
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Should be a real good QB race.
Zeke Pike already won that race.
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Zeke Pike already won that race.
It was shocking.
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It was shocking.
Him winning the race wasn't as shocking as his parole officer letting him actually play.
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Him winning the race wasn't as shocking as his parole officer letting him actually play.
Prolly and AU man and sees what we got working now. :facepalm: