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I debated over where to post this since it's obviously a political topic, however, my reason for posting is the stomach turning reaction by the noble NCAA. I'm not endorsing or blasting this law. Haven't read it and don't intend to. I only know what I've heard and read in articles like this one. But at lunch, I saw a lengthy interview with Nick...err, Mark Emmert, and listened to this asshole tell the world that the NCAA is at the forefront of the battle against discrimination and how inclusiveness is at the center of their core values.
Okay, that's great. But are you really angry about this or are you just trying to take up this noble cause to deflect because your organization has become a laughing stock? I think the latter. But the sheer idiocy of his response is mind numbingly stupid. And to be fair, similar threats are being made by plenty of others in the State. Emmert basically threatens to pick up roots and move NCAA headquarters out of state along with moving numerous NCAA events out of Indiana, including the Women's Final 4 next year.
How many employees does the NCAA have In The Annapolis? So, you don't like the law, therefore, all of his employees along with their families will be forced to pick up roots and move to another part of the country. And by moving events, all the untold millions in future revenue that would be generated for working class people who had nothing to do with making this law, will be lost. Countless jobs would be lost and the damage would be epic if the NCAA, the Pacers and numerous other organizations went through with leaving the State. All over the ever so slight possibility that two gay guys might not get a cupcake. from foxnewz.kum
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence said Sunday that a new state law that attempts to protect long-standing religious freedoms “is not about discrimination†and that he and other state lawmakers do not intend to change the legislation.
Pence, a Republican, said the legislation that he signed last week prohibits Indiana laws that "substantially burden" a person's ability to follow his or her religious beliefs.
The definition of "person" includes religious institutions, businesses and associations, which is being interpreted as allowing a cake maker, for example, to legally refuse an order for a wedding cake for a gay couple.
Pence told ABC's "This Week†the original federal law is more than 20 years old and that the purpose of the new Indiana one is to expand individual rights for those who feel government has impinged on their personal rights.
“This is not about discrimination,†he said. “This is about empowering people to confront government overreach.â€
However, Pence did not answer directly when asked six times whether under the law it would be legal for a merchant to refuse to serve gay customers.
“The issue here is still: Is tolerance a two-way street or not?" he responded several times.
Since he signed the bill into law, Indiana has been widely criticized by businesses and organizations around the nation, as well as on social media with the hashtag #boycottindiana. Already, consumer review service Angie's List has said it will suspend a planned expansion that includes Indianapolis because of the new law.
Pence said earlier this weekend that he'll look at a bill to clarify the law's intent if lawmakers send him one. He also told the Indianapolis Star on Saturday that he is in discussions with state legislative leaders and expects a clarification bill to be introduced in the coming week.
But Pence was adamant Sunday that the measure, slated to take effect in July, will stick.
"We're not going to change the law," he said.
Some national gay-rights groups say it's a way for lawmakers in Indiana and several other states where such bills have been proposed this year to essentially grant a state-sanctioned waiver for discrimination as the nation's highest court prepares to mull the gay marriage question.
Supporters of the law, including Pence, contend discrimination claims are overblown and insist it will keep the government from compelling people to provide services they find objectionable on religious grounds.
They also maintain courts haven't allowed discrimination under similar laws covering the federal government and 19 other states. Arkansas is poised to follow in Indiana's footsteps, with a final vote expected next week in the House on legislation that Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson has said he'll sign.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest appeared on "This Week" just after Pence and said the debate isn't a political argument.
"If you have to go back two decades to try to justify what you're doing today, it may raise questions," Earnest said, referring to the 1993 federal law, signed by President Bill Clinton that Pence brought up.
“He’s in damage-control mode this morning and he's got some damage to fix," Earnest also said about Pence.
State Rep. Ed DeLaney, an Indianapolis Democrat, told a large, boisterous crowd Saturday gathered outside of the statehouse to protest that the law creates "a road map, a path to discrimination."
Rally attendees chanted "Pence must go!" several times and held signs that read "No hate in our state."
Pence on Sunday repeatedly called the criticism “An avalanche of condemnation.â€
Asked if he would be willing to add sexual orientation to the list of characteristics against which discrimination is illegal, Pence said, "I will not push for that. That's not on my agenda, and that's not been an objective of the people of the state of Indiana."
U.S. Sen. Joe Donnelly, a Democrat, released a video statement on his Facebook page Saturday, saying: "We'll work together to reverse SB101 and we'll stand together to make sure that here in Indiana, we welcome everyone, every day."
Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard, a Republican who opposed the law, has said he and other city officials will talk with businesses and convention planners to counter the uproar.
Angie's List had sought an $18.5 million incentive package from Indianapolis' City-County Council to add 1,000 jobs over five years. But founder and CEO Bill Oseterle said in a statement Saturday that the expansion was on hold "until we fully understand the implications of the freedom restoration act on our employees."
The Indianapolis-based NCAA has expressed concerns about the law and has suggested it could move future events elsewhere; the men's Final Four will be held in the city next weekend.
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Emmert was on CNBC this am, being the voice of Indy re: this. I haven't read the particulars either but I already know that the side to be on for big business was already decided out of the gate. The PR firms told them what to say, how to say it and provided a platform.
The big businesses know what's good for business and they need to call this a discriminatory law. No regard for small business and legitimate religious concerns.
Personally, if I own a cake shop, I have no problem with a green, gay, atheist, transvestite buying a cake from me. I will sell them as many as I can bake.
But, I also hope that the cake shop on the corner that wishes to not bake for them doesn't have to.
It can get complicated. No shirt, no shoes, no service. We still see it. How about no blacks? No homos? No hippies?
You can't pick and choose, imo. If a business owner wishes to discriminate, I lean toward letting the free market decide. If they have the cash, there will be a cake shop for them.
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This is not so much about not selling as it is about not participating.
The gay marriage situation goes against the religious principles of those folks that are participating in the marriage process through their business.
And truthfully, the left is ful of hot air and BS over this legislation. Once again the lib media and gays are yelling discrimination when this legislation really does nothing different than what is on the books now.
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This is not so much about not selling as it is about not participating.
The gay marriage situation goes against the religious principles of those folks that are participating in the marriage process through their business
And truthfully, the left is ful of hot air and BS over this legislation. Once again the lib media and gays are yelling discrimination when this legislation really does nothing different than what is on the books now.
Here's the latest of the Boycott Indiana bandwagon jumpers. I gay-ron-tee not one of these people have read or even made a veiled attempt at trying to understand this law or keep an open mind about it. Like I said, I haven't read it and don't plan to. I have no dog in the fight. It's just that apparently the highlighted quote from the Indiana Governator below means nothing to all those jumping over each other to show the world how they're the leader in the fight against discrimination. If they do the research and prove conclusively that this legislation will not allow people/businesses to discriminate, are any of these folks going to apologize, or even shut the hell up? I already know the answer to that.
The indie rock band Wilco has canceled a concert in Indiana because of the state's new Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
We're canceling our 5/7 show in Indianapolis. “Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act†feels like thinly disguised legal discrimination.
Hope to get back to the Hoosier State someday soon, when this odious measure is repealed. Refunds available at point of purchase.
— WILCO (@Wilco) March 30, 2015
The band's move is part of the growing backlash against a law critics say could allow businesses to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who signed the law, held a news conference Monday saying he wants legislation on his desk by week's end would make clear the law does not allow businesses "to deny services to anyone."
Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy said Monday they were imposing bans on state-funded travel to Indiana. Seattle Mayor Ed Murray, who is openly gay, issued a similar ban via executive order over the weekend.
The NCAA Final Four is being held in Indianapolis in four days. The NCAA, which is based in Indianapolis, has repeatedly expressed concerns over the law. "We are especially concerned about how this legislation could affect our student-athletes and employees," NCAA president Mark Emmert said. "We intend to closely examine the implications of this bill and how it might affect future events as well as our workforce."
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Here's the latest of the Boycott Indiana bandwagon jumpers. I gay-ron-tee not one of these people have read or even made a veiled attempt at trying to understand this law or keep an open mind about it. Like I said, I haven't read it and don't plan to. I have no dog in the fight. It's just that apparently the highlighted quote from the Indiana Governator below means nothing to all those jumping over each other to show the world how they're the leader in the fight against discrimination. If they do the research and prove conclusively that this legislation will not allow people/businesses to discriminate, are any of these folks going to apologize, or even shut the hell up? I already know the answer to that.
The indie rock band Wilco has canceled a concert in Indiana because of the state's new Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
We're canceling our 5/7 show in Indianapolis. “Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act†feels like thinly disguised legal discrimination.
Hope to get back to the Hoosier State someday soon, when this odious measure is repealed. Refunds available at point of purchase.
— WILCO (@Wilco) March 30, 2015
The band's move is part of the growing backlash against a law critics say could allow businesses to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who signed the law, held a news conference Monday saying he wants legislation on his desk by week's end would make clear the law does not allow businesses "to deny services to anyone."
Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy said Monday they were imposing bans on state-funded travel to Indiana. Seattle Mayor Ed Murray, who is openly gay, issued a similar ban via executive order over the weekend.
The NCAA Final Four is being held in Indianapolis in four days. The NCAA, which is based in Indianapolis, has repeatedly expressed concerns over the law. "We are especially concerned about how this legislation could affect our student-athletes and employees," NCAA president Mark Emmert said. "We intend to closely examine the implications of this bill and how it might affect future events as well as our workforce."
I get Wilco updates on the facebooks. I was a little disappointed to see that this am but not surprised in the least. If I held political beliefs against the bands and musicians that I like, I probably wouldn't listen to anything but Charlie Daniels Band and Elvis. Fortunately, I do not care what they think re: political issues. Even less than how much I care what any of you think, unbelievably.
There probably was a time that forcing private businesses to serve people was warranted. Yet, I still have a problem with forcing a private business to do things that they don't want to do. ADA act forcing them to let "service" dogs into restaurants ,etc. I saw one recently in a restaurant and everyone was petting the dog and making a big deal about him. I was making casual conversation with the guy who came in with him and I said, "so, what does he do for you?" He seemed offended and said, "He just helps me with stuff."
o.k., whatever. Personally, I don't like dogs in restaurants and if I owned one, I'd have a problem with anyone bringing a dog in that didn't really need it. That's probably 1/2 or better.
Keeping up with the ADA requirements isn't cheap. Esp for a small business.
Also, if you have less than 4 (I believe) rental houses, it's my understanding that you can discriminate who you rent to all day long. As far as I know, you could put up a sign that says "No blacks or Mexicans". Whatever you want. Is it fair that a guy who has 6 has to adhere to fed housing discrimination regulations and the guy with 4 doesn't? If someone doesn't have their rental houses in any kind of gov't subsidized program, wtf does it matter? I don't think the feds have any business telling someone who they have to rent or sale to.
Let the free market decide who bakes the cakes, rents the apartment, has the handicap parking and ramp.
This isn't as much of a problem as it was in 1950 when a black man couldn't find a decent place to take a shit. Nowhere close to the same level.
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And everyone in Indiana should say a prayer of thanks to be spared from Jeff Tweedy's pretentious bullshoot.
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This isn't as much of a problem as it was in 1950 when a black man couldn't find a decent place to take a shit.
Are you saying that they didn't clean the bathrooms well enough?
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No PIZZA, either! But, really, how many of the gays are going to serve pizza at their wedding? The ones that I know of on here are way too gay to do pizza. More salads and wraps kind of guys, yes. The kind of gays that would go into Momma G's for a salad, instead of a camel rider. Just, really gay, gays.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/indiana-pizzeria-tells-local-news-station-they-won%e2%80%99t-serve-same-sex-marriages/ar-AAajvps?ocid=DELLDHP
Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages
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A local Indiana ABC station spoke to a pizzeria Tuesday night who will not serve to same-sex marriages after the Indiana law was passed.
Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages  © Provided by TheWrap Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages
"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no," Memories Pizza owner Crystal O'Connor told ABC 57. "We are a Christian establishment."
O'Connor said the business is not discriminating against anybody, but she and her family has her beliefs and other people are entitled to their own.
"We definitely agree with the bill," she added, saying she doesn't think the bill targets gays or discriminates but instead protects businesses like hers who have a religious belief.
ABC also spoke to her father: "That's a lifestyle that you choose, I choose to be heterosexual, they choose to be homosexual--why should I be beat over the head because they choose that lifestyle?"
The business said if a gay couple stepped into their business, they wouldn't deny them service--they just wouldn't cater their wedding.
The company's Yelp Page--which has a one-star rating--is being besieged with critical comments: "I look forward to the day when Memories Pizza is just that- a DISTANT LONELY MEMORY," one reviewer wrote.
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No PIZZA, either! But, really, how many of the gays are going to serve pizza at their wedding? The ones that I know of on here are way too gay to do pizza. More salads and wraps kind of guys, yes. The kind of gays that would go into Momma G's for a salad, instead of a camel rider. Just, really gay, gays.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/indiana-pizzeria-tells-local-news-station-they-won%e2%80%99t-serve-same-sex-marriages/ar-AAajvps?ocid=DELLDHP
Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages
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A local Indiana ABC station spoke to a pizzeria Tuesday night who will not serve to same-sex marriages after the Indiana law was passed.
Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages  © Provided by TheWrap Indiana Pizzeria Tells Local News Station They Won’t Serve Same-Sex Marriages
"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no," Memories Pizza owner Crystal O'Connor told ABC 57. "We are a Christian establishment."
O'Connor said the business is not discriminating against anybody, but she and her family has her beliefs and other people are entitled to their own.
"We definitely agree with the bill," she added, saying she doesn't think the bill targets gays or discriminates but instead protects businesses like hers who have a religious belief.
ABC also spoke to her father: "That's a lifestyle that you choose, I choose to be heterosexual, they choose to be homosexual--why should I be beat over the head because they choose that lifestyle?"
The business said if a gay couple stepped into their business, they wouldn't deny them service--they just wouldn't cater their wedding.
The company's Yelp Page--which has a one-star rating--is being besieged with critical comments: "I look forward to the day when Memories Pizza is just that- a DISTANT LONELY MEMORY," one reviewer wrote.
Expect the Chick-Filet effect.
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"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no," Memories Pizza owner Crystal O'Connor told ABC 57. "We are a Christian establishment."
What about the guy getting married for the 4th time? If he wanted pizza, would they serve him? Or the adulterer, could they get pizza? And those teens who have pre-martial sex.. no pizza for them either?
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What about the guy getting married for the 4th time? If he wanted pizza, would they serve him? Or the adulterer, could they get pizza? And those teens who have pre-martial sex.. no pizza for them either?
Tomato Tomahto. Stop splitting hairs. This is about the gays.
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What about the guy getting married for the 4th time? If he wanted pizza, would they serve him? Or the adulterer, could they get pizza? And those teens who have pre-martial sex.. no pizza for them either?
Not very good comparisons. If the adulterer came in and wanted his cheating sexfest catered, then you might have a comparison. If the teens had a pretty marital sex party they wanted catered, ditto.
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Not very good comparisons. If the adulterer came in and wanted his cheating sexfest catered, then you might have a comparison. If the teens had a pretty marital sex party they wanted catered, ditto.
What about serving pizza at an orgy between consenting, married adults....on a Saran Wrap covered floor....wet with Wesson Oil...and 3 miniature schnauzers? Not that it's a fantasy of mine. Just sayin'....
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What about serving pizza at an orgy between consenting, married adults....on a Saran Wrap covered floor....wet with Wesson Oil...and 3 miniature schnauzers? Not that it's a fantasy of mine. Just sayin'....
Shoot me a PM if you
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Not very good comparisons. If the adulterer came in and wanted his cheating sexfest catered, then you might have a comparison. If the teens had a pretty marital sex party they wanted catered, ditto.
I disagree. They are choosing to deny service to a gay couple on the grounds that it's against their religion. So is adultery. But they don't care about the guy who cheats on his wife. So in essence, they are saying that being a homosexual is a greater sin than the guy who's getting some on the side.
Let's just come out and say it, they are choosing not to serve a gay couple, because they disagree with a gay lifestyle.
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I do not understand why the free market is not allowed to take care of this?
As a business owner they have the right to make decisions for their business. If they choose to not cater a gay wedding then that is a business decision that may or may not adversely affect their business. I am so fucking tired of this regulating commerce under the guise of making things equal for everyone.
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I disagree. They are choosing to deny service to a gay couple on the grounds that it's against their religion. So is adultery. But they don't care about the guy who cheats on his wife. So in essence, they are saying that being a homosexual is a greater sin than the guy who's getting some on the side.
Let's just come out and say it, they are choosing not to serve a gay couple, because they disagree with a gay lifestyle.
They specifically stated that they would not perform a service for a same-sex marriage. It's not hard to imagine a convictional Christian would hold those beliefs. There really isn't a similar ceremony for adultery. It's apples and oranges. I've never read a quote from them that stated they wouldn't serve gay people in their restaurant. Only that they wouldn't cater to a SSM.
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They specifically stated that they would not perform a service for a same-sex marriage. It's not hard to imagine a convictional Christian would hold those beliefs. There really isn't a similar ceremony for adultery. It's apples and oranges. I've never read a quote from them that stated they wouldn't serve gay people in their restaurant. Only that they wouldn't cater to a SSM.
OK, then what about a couple getting married... he's on his 3rd marriage, and she's on her second.
Divorce is a no-no, too.
If you aren't catering a SSM because of religious beliefs, you shouldn't cater a marriage where one or both parties is divorced (unless the marriage was annulled).
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OK, then what about a couple getting married... he's on his 3rd marriage, and she's on her second.
Divorce is a no-no, too.
If you aren't catering a SSM because of religious beliefs, you shouldn't cater a marriage where one or both parties is divorced (unless the marriage was annulled).
You're right. They would be well within their rights to refuse service to a marriage like that if they choose to.
I'm guessing you'd be ok with the Westboro Baptist Church forcing a gay florist to arrange a new wreath for their front door too, right? Since we're all into equality and such. Or maybe we should force a Muslim artist to draw a sketch of Mohammad for me to hang over my fireplace.
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I don't care what the reason for denying service at the cake shop is. My stance is that they have a right to refuse, even if they don't like the way someone looks. It's their damn cake shop. They pay the payroll taxes, the rent and/or property taxes, income taxes, licenses and an endless amount of other job killing fees that non-business owners/operators have never even heard of.
I certainly support a decision based on religious beliefs, at the same time, I support a refusal for business for ANYTHING by a PRIVATELY owned business. If it's not gov't owned or supported, then :fu: and :fu: to anyone who believes otherwise.
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Indiana's Hard Truth: Dissent is No Longer Tolerated
On Tuesday, the owners of an Indiana pizza parlor made a terrible mistake. The O’Connor family, which runs Memories Pizza in the small town of Walkerton, told a local ABC affiliate that while they would “never deny†service to a gay couple or a customers of another religion, “they just don’t agree with gay marriages†and would not provide pizzas for a gay wedding if asked.
If you’ve been following the wild-eyed, hair-on-fire debate over Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act—a law widely labeled as “anti-gay†and berated as “bigotry†by celebrities ranging from Apple CEO Tim Cook to pop star Miley Cyrus—you won’t be surprised by what happened next.
Within minutes, an Internet mob descended upon Memories Pizza. Twitter users, including an Indiana high school golf coach, threatened to burn the place down. Others hijacked the restaurant’s Yelp page with gay porn and personal threats, including the following gem: “Oh yeah, I’m going to kill your Jesus. Try and stop me.†(News flash: Somebody already tried that once.) As radio host Dana Loesch reported, the O’Connors also received death threats—so many, in fact, that they’re considering closing their restaurant.
Charming, is it not? Welcome to “tolerance†in 2015. The Great Hoosier Gay Pizza Conflagration, sadly, is only the latest bout of hysteria surrounding a rather anodyne law. Earlier, in a Washington Post op-ed, Apple’s Cook had labeled the RFRA “dangerous,†calling for a boycott of Indiana—perhaps forgetting, in his fervor, that he gladly does business in violently anti-gay Saudi Arabia. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, not to be outdone, banned “non-essential†state travel to the benighted midwestern state. (Nothing says freedom like panicked bans and closed borders!) Meanwhile, writing for Time magazine, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar called Indiana’s RFRA “an American version of Sharia law†that would make “a single religion’s teachings ... the law of the land.â€
If you know anything about RFRA laws, this is patently absurd. Nineteen other states have RFRAs; the federal government adopted one in 1993. Several prominent proponents of gay rights and gay marriage have defended Indiana’s proposed law—you can read them here, here, and here—explaining that it simply allows religious minorities a day in court if they feel their conscience or First Amendment freedoms have been violated.
These facts don’t matter, of course. It has become increasingly clear that the Indiana blow-up has nothing to do with the details of any law. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar may not realize it, but he pretty much wrote the “Stairway to Heaven†of opinion columns: The true message is there, but only if you read it backwards. The New Sharia isn’t coming from powerful and intolerant Christians. It’s coming from the activist left, closely allied with big business and government. It’s a coalition that, increasingly, will not tolerate dissent of any kind.
Conservative Christians, it appears, can’t just live and let live when it comes to gay marriage. They have to actively support and participate in it, lest the “You Must Approve†coalition swoop in and try to ruin their business, their reputation, and their life. This is sad. It is strange. It certainly reflects a stunning insecurity. It’s also happening across the country: For refusing to participate in same-sex weddings, an Oregon bakery was shuttered, a Washington florist may lose her business, and photography studios, wedding venues and t-shirt shops have been targeted with closure, fines, and crippling legal bills.
You might think religious objections to gay marriage are silly or outdated. You might even think that people who decline to serve gay weddings are misguided jerks. That’s your right; it’s a free country, at least for now. Personally, I think most religious objections to gay marriage are understandable and reasonable, not “bigoted.†On the same token, if any of my gay friends want me to bake a cake for their wedding, I’ll bake the best darn wedding cake this side of Gene Hackman. (Actually, that’s a lie. I would probably do what I usually do in social occasions that require the bringing of food, which would be to buy something at a fancy store and pretend that I made it myself.)
But then again, I value freedom and diversity. The New Sharia does not. In fact, many Americans seem to have lost a basic understanding of how freedom works. Remember high school civics class, where Lesson One is that your First Amendment rights don’t really exist unless they are also applied to people whose ideas you might find wrong, even abhorrent? Something tells me they don’t teach that anymore. To be fair, maybe they don’t have time, given their full slate of privilege detector tests, trigger warnings, and general Airings of Grievances.
It’s sad to see people make monsters out of their neighbors. Watching the Internet mobs descend upon Memories Pizza—as well as the media and business mobs that descended upon Indiana in general—made me wonder if any of these enraged, fire-breathing laptop warriors ever step out of the house and look around. All across America, in grocery stores, coffee shops, schools, and parks, gay and straight people not only coexist, they get along. They are friends. Face to face, for the most part, they have goodwill and a sense of community—or, at the very least, a sense of polite respect.
We have, for now, a functioning civil society. But with the rise of the “You Must Approve†mob and its powerful partners, cracks are beginning to show. Ironically, the freedoms that the mob seeks to destroy—the freedoms of religion, speech, and association—are the very same freedoms that separate us from places like Saudi Arabia. If certain groups get their way, they might not be around for long.
Link (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/04/02/indianas_hard_truth_dissent_is_no_longer_tolerated.html)
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You're right. They would be well within their rights to refuse service to a marriage like that if they choose to.
I'm guessing you'd be ok with the Westboro Baptist Church forcing a gay florist to arrange a new wreath for their front door too, right? Since we're all into equality and such. Or maybe we should force a Muslim artist to draw a sketch of Mohammad for me to hang over my fireplace.
Oh, I really don't give a shit if they deny service or not. I just find it amusing when they say they will deny the SSM a catering for religious reasons, but don't take anything else into account.
And we both know what would happen if you forced a Muslim artist to draw Mohammad.. You'd be called a racist.
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The bandwagon is full. I find it hard to believe that Izzo or Calipari really care anything about this.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/final-four-coaches-release-statement-on-indianas-new-law/ar-AAajTKT?ocid=DELLDHP
Final Four coaches release statement on Indiana's new law
Jordan Heck, Sporting News
Michigan State head coach Tom Izzo speaks during a news conference at the NCAA college basketball tournament in Syracuse, N.Y., Saturday, March 28, 2015. Michigan State plays Louisville in a regional final on Sunday. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)  © (AP Photo/Seth Wenig Michigan State head coach Tom Izzo speaks during a news conference at the NCAA college basketball tournament in Syracuse, N.Y., Saturday, March 28, 2015. Michigan State plays Louisville in a regional final on Sunday. (AP Photo/Seth…
All four head coaches of the Final Four teams in the Men's NCAA Tournament released a statement Wednesday, defending the NCAA's stance on Indiana's new religious freedom law.
"We are aware of the recent actions in Indiana and have made a point to talk about this sensitive and important issue among ourselves and with our teams. Each of us strongly supports the positions of the NCAA and our respective institutions on this matter — that discrimination of any kind should not be tolerated. As a part of America's higher education system, college basketball plays an important role in diversity, equality, fairness and inclusion, and will continue to do so in the future."
MORE: Making the case for each Final Four team | UK's season of supremacy | Comparing the Final Four's recruiting classes
The four coaches, Kentucky's John Calipari, Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Wisconsin's Bo Ryan and Duke's Mike Krzyzewski, made the statement during a conference call. Their statement defends the one the NCAA released soon after the bill was signed.
NASCAR, the Big Ten, the NBA/Pacers/WNBA/Fever, and Colts owner Jim Irsay have all released similar statements. In addition, UConn coach Kevin Ollie says his staff won't attend the Final Four and USC athletic director Pat Haden said he won't attend the College Football Playoff committee meeting in Indiana.
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The bandwagon is full. I find it hard to believe that Izzo or Calipari really care anything about this.
Zone only - none of that gay-ass man-to-man defense
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Let's say a gay couple owns and operates a bakery. A member of the KKK local chapter comes in and buy a cake for the grand wizard celebration. He tells the baker that he wants the cake to show them hanging a gay man. Now, this owner who has protested with all his activist buddies refuses to make the cake for the man. He says he has the right to not make a cake depicting a gay man being hung (save your jokes). So, do they side with the gay man or the KKK who want the cake?
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Let's say a gay couple owns and operates a bakery. A member of the KKK local chapter comes in and buy a cake for the grand wizard celebration. He tells the baker that he wants the cake to show them hanging a gay man. Now, this owner who has protested with all his activist buddies refuses to make the cake for the man. He says he has the right to not make a cake depicting a gay man being hung (save your jokes). So, do they side with the gay man or the KKK who want the cake?
Uuuhh huh huh....huh huh huh....you said hung...uuhh huh huh huh.
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Let's say a gay couple owns and operates a bakery. A member of the KKK local chapter comes in and buy a cake for the grand wizard celebration. He tells the baker that he wants the cake to show them hanging a gay man. Now, this owner who has protested with all his activist buddies refuses to make the cake for the man. He says he has the right to not make a cake depicting a gay man being hung (save your jokes). So, do they side with the gay man or the KKK who want the cake?
First of all, gay or not, I take exception to your talking about hung men. What have I done to you?
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He bangs
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It's a growing trend. It's like we are in a communist state. Go against the government wishes, get fined. No room for beliefs outside of what they determine "the norm". I wonder if this couple thought about trying a different florist?
This is freaking ridiculous. And for all of the people that can afford to go out of business and maybe cash in on the gov't early, I applaud them. I hope that they get on the government dole rather than bowing to demands that are against their beliefs.
This trend is both anti-American and anti-business.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/85k-raised-for-washington-florist-who-refused-gay-couple/ar-AAat0zp?ocid=DELLDHP
85K raised for Washington florist who refused gay couple
RICHLAND, Wash. — A florist in eastern Washington state fined $1,000 for refusing to sell a same-sex couple wedding flowers and also facing a consumer-protection lawsuit has netted more than $85,000 in a crowdfunding campaign.
The Seattle Times reports (http://bit.ly/1GztB9a) that nearly half of the money on the gofundme.com page set up in February for 70-year-old Barronelle Stutzman came in the last several days.
Supporters compare Stutzman's benefit page to an Indiana pizza shop that raised more than $800,000 after closing when the owner said the shop wouldn't cater a gay wedding.
Stutzman, owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Washington, received the fine in Benton County Superior Court in March after refusing to serve a same-sex couple in 2013.
Stutzman says same-sex weddings go against her Southern Baptist beliefs.