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The Library => Broun Hall => Topic started by: wesfau2 on February 03, 2015, 02:05:51 PM
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Coming in July. A sequel to TKAM that was actually written first.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/living/feat-harper-lee-new-book/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/living/feat-harper-lee-new-book/)
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Don't care. Won't be relevant.
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Don't care. Won't be relevant.
Relevant to what?
It's a book written 50+ years ago. Of course it won't be relevant to current events, but should be an interesting take on the book's contemporary civil rights issues.
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Relevant to what?
It's a book written 50+ years ago. Of course it won't be relevant to current events, but should be an interesting take on the book's contemporary civil rights issues.
What contemporary civil rights issues?
There are none.
If this woman had anything to say, she would have written something in the 50 years since her last book. I'm not interested in some ancient manuscript she dug up that was written by somebody who's dead (because she didn't write the other one anyway).
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What contemporary civil rights issues?
There are none.
If this woman had anything to say, she would have written something in the 50 years since her last book. I'm not interested in some ancient manuscript she dug up that was written by somebody who's dead (because she didn't write the other one anyway).
Fuck's sake.
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Fuck's sake.
You know she didn't write that. Everybody knows that.
"Civil Rights" is a big bunch of horse shit. That movement was coopted by a bunch of fucksticks years ago and real progress has been compromised for the sake of screaming "racism" at every turn.
Civil rights my ass.
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You know she didn't write that. Everybody knows that.
"Civil Rights" is a big bunch of horse shit. That movement was coopted by a bunch of fucksticks years ago and real progress has been compromised for the sake of screaming "racism" at every turn.
Civil rights my ass.
You're a loon.
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You're a loon.
You misspelled "magnificent"
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You misspelled "magnificent"
This made me chuckle...
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You know she didn't write that. Everybody knows that.
"Civil Rights" is a big bunch of horse shit. That movement was coopted by a bunch of fucksticks years ago and real progress has been compromised for the sake of screaming "racism" at every turn.
Civil rights my ass.
I'm not sure about he first part (as I have never read the book. Watched only parts of the movie. don't give a rat's ass).
But he is spot on about the second part. Young people will eat this up because they have been fed bullshit in the government schools. We learned from different books and grew up with different old people. The shit that was rewritten and fed to 80's and 90's kids is just that, SHIT.
Racism, gay acceptance, white guilt. That shit has been beat into young people's heads so much that we may never get a free thinking individual again.
So when a GREAT supposed civil rights book comes out from 50 years ago, Pavlov's dogs start drooling.
I'll pass.
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Completely unsurprised at the coalition forming here.
I liked TKAM and I'm interested when an author I enjoy puts out more material.
This is intriguing due to Lee's reputation as a one-hit wonder.
The only "civil rights" discussion to be had was that the book will be relevant to the current events at time of writing. Especially so since the author lived in a small Alabama town during the social upheaval.
Fuck's sake you guys are some reactionary old white men.
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Completely unsurprised at the coalition forming here.
I liked TKAM and I'm interested when an author I enjoy puts out more material.
This is intriguing due to Lee's reputation as a one-hit wonder.
The only "civil rights" discussion to be had was that the book will be relevant to the current events at time of writing. Especially so since the author lived in a small Alabama town during the social upheaval.
Fuck's sake you guys are some reactionary old white men.
I like gone with teh wind....
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Completely unsurprised at the coalition forming here.
I liked TKAM and I'm interested when an author I enjoy puts out more material.
This is intriguing due to Lee's reputation as a one-hit wonder.
The only "civil rights" discussion to be had was that the book will be relevant to the current events at time of writing. Especially so since the author lived in a small Alabama town during the social upheaval.
Fuck's sake you guys are some reactionary old white men.
:getoff:
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Completely unsurprised at the coalition forming here.
I liked TKAM and I'm interested when an author I enjoy puts out more material.
This is intriguing due to Lee's reputation as a one-hit wonder.
The only "civil rights" discussion to be had was that the book will be relevant to the current events at time of writing. Especially so since the author lived in a small Alabama town during the social upheaval.
Fuck's sake you guys are some reactionary old white men.
Except she didn't write it.
Didn't live here when it was written (was off up north with a bunch of liberal hippies and sexual miscreants)
The original wasn't that great anyway, it just found an audience because it fit the national narrative of ignant old racist country fucks vs the noble Negro (a pattern often repeated in things like Mandingo, the help, time to kill, etc). It created and perpetuated fraudulent stereotypes. I like the movie. But it's horse shit. Helped paint a national perception of a south that didn't really exist (but needed to in order to spur the civil rights movement). Casting her as the author also kept the book from being eviscerated due to whatever demons (gayness, New York liberalism, communistic leanings) plagued the real author. Kept it from being dismissed for its lack of authenticity.
She didn't write this suspiciously "found" book
She's an actual loon, barely capable of forming a coherent thought for most of the last five years making her "statement to the press" a clear forgery
She served her purpose by pretending to have authored that book. Should fade away quietly.
A writer writes. Stephen King will tell you that. No real writer delivers one book and never authors or even attempts to author another thing ever. It's just not possible.
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Completely unsurprised at the coalition forming here.
I liked TKAM and I'm interested when an author I enjoy puts out more material.
This is intriguing due to Lee's reputation as a one-hit wonder.
The only "civil rights" discussion to be had was that the book will be relevant to the current events at time of writing. Especially so since the author lived in a small Alabama town during the social upheaval.
Fuck's sake you guys are some reactionary old white men.
When did a coalition involve only two people?
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When did a coalition involve only two people?
It's embryonic, no doubt, but more will come. The lure of creamed corn and Andy Griffith reruns always brings them in.
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I take issue with the original not being "that great." I loved it. Still love it. Now I don't know if Harper Lee wrote it or not, this is the first time I've heard otherwise...but I really don't care. I just hope whoever wrote TKAM also wrote this "found" book.
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I take issue with the original not being "that great." I loved it. Still love it. Now I don't know if Harper Lee wrote it or not, this is the first time I've heard otherwise...but I really don't care. I just hope whoever wrote TKAM also wrote this "found" book.
It was a difficult read IMO. I enjoyed the movie but didn't much care for the book at all.
She didn't write it.
This covers my thoughts on the topic... Wayne Flynt's mysteriously discovered "letter" from 1959 notwithstanding:
Truman Capote is the author of To Kill A Mockingbird; Harper Lee did the typing. This relationship goes back to grade school when Lee's father, a conventionally racist Alabama state legislator and newspaper owner, gave Lee a typewriter.
Capote was the author in exactly the same sense as a Raphael or Michelangelo masterpiece is still that even if an apprentice finished it.
To Kill A Mockingbird and In Cold Blood came in a unique period in American history, and in that of Capote.
Capote was the only person in human history who was on personal terms with everyone in the New York publishing business. He understood these people like Robin Williams inhabits people.
One day Capote asks himself, if the sky opened and the perfect manuscript ( from the point of view of the people who dominated publishing) came out of the clouds, what would it look like. To Kill A Mockingbird is the result.
When Capote was a child in Alabama, he had the same mannerisms as an adult. Which means that every day in school someone wanted to stomp him. Harper Lee could slug better than a boy and became his protector. So the real truth is 2 gay kids trying to get by in the 1930s Deep South. Nobody wanted to hear about this in the 1960s. There was a Civil Rights movement, so Lee's father is morphed into a New York fantasy of a fearless defender of Blacks. If this were remotely true he would have lost his newspaper and job as state legislator overnight. He did in fact once object to some White Trash disturbing the peace in Klan uniforms, but so did any law and order type.
Capote was making so many enemies by gossiping, especially when drunk, that he knew he had to hit it out of the park while time allowed.
To Kill a Mockingbird is like a designer drug or a computer generated life form. It is fake. It is a designer book. It has nothing to do with anything real that Harper Lee observed.
In 2000 the American Library Association polled its members on the best book of the 20th Century, and To Kill A Mockingbird won. Every time Americans want to sanctify some thing my skeptical side is provoked. Why the sanctimony?Why is this The Bible of the 20th Century?
President Lyndon Johnson had the US government spread copies of this book all over the world. Atticus is the US. Defender of Freedom. Every book club selected it.
A lot of people in publishing know the real story behind To Kill A Mockingbird but nobody asks questions about holy writ
Truman was gay. So was/is Harper. They ran in the gays circles in NY. They were best friends and constant companions... until... Harper won the Pulitzer. As far as I've been able to tell he never talked to her again. She retreated to Monroeville and essentially quit talking to anybody. And never wrote another thing in her life. Pffftt on that. Writers write. Always.
People wrote the split between her and Capote off as Truman being jealous. But it wasn't jealousy, it was her refusal to throw back the covers and expose the reality that pissed him off and broke them apart.
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I've always found mild interest in the points Kaos has already made above but the one thing that never added up to me is why, if Capote was so jealous and angered, didn't he himself blow the cover off the whole thing? Why allow her to get away with being a fraud and win the Pulitzer you always wanted?
The one-hit-wonder nature of Lee's career makes just as little sense but at least I can rationalize it more.
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Except she didn't write it.
Didn't live here when it was written (was off up north with a bunch of liberal hippies and sexual miscreants)
The original wasn't that great anyway, it just found an audience because it fit the national narrative of ignant old racist country fucks vs the noble Negro (a pattern often repeated in things like Mandingo, the help, time to kill, etc). It created and perpetuated fraudulent stereotypes. I like the movie. But it's horse shit. Helped paint a national perception of a south that didn't really exist (but needed to in order to spur the civil rights movement). Casting her as the author also kept the book from being eviscerated due to whatever demons (gayness, New York liberalism, communistic leanings) plagued the real author. Kept it from being dismissed for its lack of authenticity.
She didn't write this suspiciously "found" book
She's an actual loon, barely capable of forming a coherent thought for most of the last five years making her "statement to the press" a clear forgery
She served her purpose by pretending to have authored that book. Should fade away quietly.
A writer writes. Stephen King will tell you that. No real writer delivers one book and never authors or even attempts to author another thing ever. It's just not possible.
JD Salinger? Or, did Capote write his stuff too.
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I take issue with the original not being "that great." I loved it. Still love it. Now I don't know if Harper Lee wrote it or not, this is the first time I've heard otherwise...but I really don't care. I just hope whoever wrote TKAM also wrote this "found" book.
One of my fav's of all time and I really don't care who wrote it. But, it has long been rumored that she didn't write it. Capote spent his summers in Monroeville and was related. They were really close and it was supposedly a gift. Regardless, it's not like this would have been the first and only thing that she ever wrote. I may be mistaken but I believe that she was editor of the Crimson and White. That would take time out of my busy schedule, so let's just pretend she was.
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It's embryonic, no doubt, but more will come. The lure of creamed corn and Andy Griffith reruns always brings them in.
I don't know who you're calling an embryo. But I can tell you one thing, creamed corn and Andy Griffith won't get me. But if you set a trap with sweaty poontang and good whiskey, you can catch me every time. Every damn time, I tell you.
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JD Salinger? Or, did Capote write his stuff too.
No. Wrote his own.
The success of The Catcher in the Rye led to public attention and scrutiny. Salinger became reclusive, publishing new work less frequently. He followed Catcher with a short story collection, Nine Stories (1953); a volume containing a novella and a short story, Franny and Zooey (1961); and a volume containing two novellas, Raise High the Roof Beam, Carpenters and Seymour: An Introduction (1963). His last published work, a novella entitled "Hapworth 16, 1924", appeared in The New Yorker on June 19, 1965.
That's different than just dropping one book and then never even writing your fucking name on a piece of paper from that point on. No writer would do that.
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No. Wrote his own.
The success of The Catcher in the Rye led to public attention and scrutiny. Salinger became reclusive, publishing new work less frequently. He followed Catcher with a short story collection, Nine Stories (1953); a volume containing a novella and a short story, Franny and Zooey (1961); and a volume containing two novellas, Raise High the Roof Beam, Carpenters and Seymour: An Introduction (1963). His last published work, a novella entitled "Hapworth 16, 1924", appeared in The New Yorker on June 19, 1965.
That's different than just dropping one book and then never even writing your fucking name on a piece of paper from that point on. No writer would do that.
Yep, it is more. One more.
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I've always found mild interest in the points Kaos has already made above but the one thing that never added up to me is why, if Capote was so jealous and angered, didn't he himself blow the cover off the whole thing? Why allow her to get away with being a fraud and win the Pulitzer you always wanted?
The one-hit-wonder nature of Lee's career makes just as little sense but at least I can rationalize it more.
If he spoke up, it would have ruined to book. And the book was his creation.
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That's different than just dropping one book and then never even writing your fucking name on a piece of paper from that point on. No writer would do that.
Margaret Mitchell begs to differ.
One novel by Mitchell was published during her lifetime, the American Civil War-era novel, Gone with the Wind, for which she won the National Book Award for Most Distinguished Novel of 1936[1] and the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1937. In more recent years, a collection of Mitchell's girlhood writings and a novella she wrote as a teenager, Lost Laysen, have been published. A collection of articles written by Mitchell for The Atlanta Journal was republished in book form.
Some people have only one great book in them. One magnificent story. Doesn't make it any less significant.
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If he spoke up, it would have ruined to book. And the book was his creation.
Meh. Maybe it would've ruined it in 1960. But sometime between then and the 25 years that passed before Capote's death a lot changed. Maybe some of you -- who are able to see things through the perspective of a gay man -- can shine some light on the thought process there but I see it being worth finding out exactly how ruined my book might become. What's the worst that happens, he's not given credit for something he wasn't given credit for already?
Surely, if he wrote the story knowing what a masterpiece it was, his own narcissism wouldn't allow him not to preserve SOME sort of verifiable evidence of it being his creation.
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I'm not sure about he first part (as I have never read the book. Watched only parts of the movie. don't give a rat's ass).
But he is spot on about the second part. Young people will eat this up because they have been fed bullshit in the government schools. We learned from different books and grew up with different old people. The shit that was rewritten and fed to 80's and 90's kids is just that, SHIT.
Racism, gay acceptance, white guilt. That shit has been beat into young people's heads so much that we may never get a free thinking individual again.
So when a GREAT supposed civil rights book comes out from 50 years ago, Pavlov's dogs start drooling.
I'll pass.
What's sad are your views. Your ability to free think is clouded two fold...first with caveman mentality. Secondly, a product of 60's and 70's white southern supremacy forced down your throat from your parents and grandparents.
I agree about the pacifying society, the free loaders and general lack of self motivation to work hard.
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What's sad are your views. Your ability to free think is clouded two fold...first with caveman mentality. Secondly, a product of 60's and 70's white southern supremacy forced down your throat from your parents and grandparents.
I agree about the pacifying society, the free loaders and general lack of self motivation to work hard.
Yes because anyone who doesn't bow at the feet of all that is associated with the civil rights movement of the 60s and 70s must be a some sort of racist southerner. Whatever.
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Yes because anyone who doesn't bow at the feet of all that is associated with the civil rights movement of the 60s and 70s must be a some sort of racist southerner. Whatever.
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What's sad are your views. Your ability to free think is clouded two fold...first with caveman mentality. Secondly, a product of 60's and 70's white southern supremacy forced down your throat from your parents and grandparents.
Wow...really? All because you don't agree with his opinion?
You're smarter than that.
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Wow...really? All because you don't agree with his opinion?
You're smarter than that.
Probably not but we can discuss that later.
He straps on his pimp cup. I do as well. It's the X.
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Probably not but we can discuss that later.
He straps on his pimp cup. I do as well. It's the X.
Hippie.
You said strap on.
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Probably not but we can discuss that later.
He straps on his pimp cup. I do as well. It's the X.
Damn Canadians. We don't allow pimps in the south....
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Margaret Mitchell begs to differ.
Some people have only one great book in them. One magnificent story. Doesn't make it any less significant.
Ayn Rand. Agree with Kaos that writer's write.
I just wish that Rand had quit writing after "Atlas Shrugged."